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>> No.5127802

I'd prefer they didn't, but it's ultimately their property to do with as they choose.

>> No.5127816

>>5127796
F

>> No.5127870

>>5127796
another glorified gambling machine bites the dust. based lads.

remember: the only real value a game has lies in the experience of playing it. fetishising "authentic" corporeal objects is for collectorfags who don't actually play. as long as the actual software persists, it doesn't matter what happens to the individual machines.

>> No.5127875

>>5127870

Wanting to own a cabinet is not inherently a bad thing. You're a faggot. No opinion has to be on one extreme end or another.

>> No.5127882

>>5127796
what you have to understand is that just like burning money, doing this does nothing but hurt the owner. anyone who wants to play Tempest can still do so via the numerous ports or even an emulator, and anyone who already has a Tempest cabinet just had theirs increase in value by a little bit.

>> No.5127885

>>5127870
I see it as a matter of history. It's a historical artifact and it's better such a thing is preserved rather than actively destroyed.

>> No.5127995

Destroy them all. Most of you children on here never played them when they were relevant anyway and you never will. Pathetically trying to recreate some era of gaming that you'll never know so just get over it and go play your emulators.

>> No.5128007

>>5127995
I really wish I got to experience the golden age of the arcade. Instead all I got was mortal kombat, primal rage, and other digitized sprite-based fighting game cabinets at the bowling alley or chuck e cheese

>> No.5128093
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>>5127796
I remember seeing this video, I had a hard time trying to find it. But now that I've seen it again here, I am very disappointed in these guy's decision to drop fixable and working arcade machines off a roof but as >>5127802 >but it's ultimately their property to do with as they choose.

Still sucks to see this though..

>> No.5128113
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>>5127870
Partially agree. While the survival of the software is ultimately the most important part sometimes the physical aspect can be part of the experience. Maybe not in the case of Tempest because its just a regular cabinet but sometimes cabs have peripherals, lights, or other things you cant get through MAME.

>> No.5128165

>>5127796
I'll never understand mouthbreathers who have fun destroying something. Especially when they do it for 20 cents worth of Youtube ad money

>> No.5128170

it's not mine and it's ultimately their loss, am i supposed to feel anything towards this?

>> No.5128172

>>5128113
Yeah.
>emulating lightgun games which used IR censors
>emulating vector monitor games
>emulating the games with poorly emulated hardware
inb4 "b-but no one cares about those!"

>> No.5128245

>>5128172
My arcade used to have a bunch of gimmicky bullshit but I really miss it.
>anything star-wars, Jurassic park or terminator
>racing games with realistic stick-shifts
>hang on
>Beachhead 2000 (ours was sanitized regularly)
>light gun games with motherfucking PUMP ACTION SHOTGUNS

I've bought myself a few light-gun games for home console and have a CRT on top of an old entertainment system in the basement so that the screen is eye level but it pales in comparison to the real thing.

>> No.5128283

>>5127870
>as long as the actual software persists, it doesn't matter what happens to the individual machines
as nice as it is to have the original hardware, you're right on the money. the software is the most important factor. the soul of the machine.

>> No.5128284

>pay to win games
nothing of value was lost

>> No.5128591

>>5128093
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PlGhKuE1Rc
Omega Race pissed me off.

>> No.5128782

>>5127796
Tempest is a sweet shaped cabinet but replacing a vector monitor is a bitch, probably not worth the trouble and doing a raster conversion is sacrilege so it's probably best it met a spectacular end. Maybe with a PStv in it that has TxK now that I think of it

>> No.5128786

>>5127796
Tehy couldve sold it to some enthusianst and donated money to charity, but nope! Let's just destroy it.

People like this piss me off.

>> No.5129072

>>5127796
I feel pretty meh about underage posting le edgy youtube shit

>>5128782
>replacing a vector monitor is a bitch
Only for little bitches like you

>> No.5129083
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>>5128782

>converting a raster monitor to a vector monitor

i had no idea /vr/ had a wizard that could do something so nonsensically impossible

>> No.5129167

>>5129083
I assume he meant replacing the dead vector monitor with a raster monitor.

>> No.5130125
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>>5129072
Is there a source for new xy monitors? If feel terrible cannibalizing a Sega/Gremlin for a Tempest. Destroying the truly rare to preserve the iconic is an easy sin to commit thinking you're doing good. I suppose you're one of those sew ebin Anons with easy access to Zektors and surplus NOS vector monitors. Must be nice.

>>5129083
>nonsensically impossible
Ehhh I'm not that wizard but it can be done
https://www.thedefenderproject.com/other-arcade-games/building-a-vector-monitor-from-a-raster-tv/

>>5129167
Yes. In fact I thought I attached a picture of a Tempest Mame conversion, I'll attach it now. After I thought about it though I do think that it might be in acceptable taste to leave the spinner panel intact and use a small plasma and a PStv primarily for the spiritual modern successor to Tempest, TxK a game so good and so much like Tempest by Tempest's original designer that Atari successfully blocked its wider release. It could also run tempest through emulation.

>> No.5130174

>>5128165
Its all about MUH ATTENTION. Its usually some nouveau riche idiots.

>> No.5130423

>>5127796
Knowing they'll never recoup the net loss from jewgle ad revenue makes me smile. Stupid fucks. Praise based jewgle for demonetizing eceleb whores.

>> No.5130426
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>>5128172
>>emulating the games with poorly emulated hardware
here's lookin at you kid

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>>5130125
>TxK a game so good and so much like Tempest by Tempest's original designer that Atari successfully blocked its wider release
To the best of my knowledge, it was added back to PSN store and Tempest 4000 is based off it. So it appears Atari and that lama fucking hippie came to terms. Shame they couldn't have come to terms before Space Giraffe came into existence, cause it fucking sucked.

>> No.5130448

>>5127875
only siths think in absolutes.

>> No.5130450

>>5128284
dude, dude...wat?

>> No.5130454

>>5130450
he is a scrub

>> No.5131002

>>5129083
>nonsensically impossible
kids. lol

>>5130125
No. It's possible to use old parts to repair old things. It's also possible to use new parts to repair old things. But that's way beyond what someone who finds swapping screens could handle.

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>>5131002
>someone who finds swapping screens could handle
Dunno EXACTLY what you mean by this but I do swap screens. It's sourcing or repairing XY displays that is a bit beyond me I certainly would never throw a Tempest cabinet off a roof though.

>> No.5131193

>>5131070
>I certainly would never throw a Tempest cabinet off a roof though.

Gramps, if you were promised a night of free PBR and two horny 21 year old 6/10s I bet you would.

>> No.5131260

but think about all the youtube views!!!! these guys are so wacky and random!!!!

>> No.5131587

>>5131193
everything in this post sounds like a job to me and I wouldn't want to do any of it

>> No.5131609

>>5131193
you know me so well

>> No.5131616

>>5127870
It wasn't created to be played on an emulator or thrown off the roof. That in itself makes you wrong.

>> No.5131710

>>5131070
Well you said replacing vector monitors is a bitch and since the process is nearly identical to replacing any any other CRT that means it's too much for you to handle. The LCDs in your MAME cabs are apparently light enough for you to cope with. Finding vector monitors in good condition is hard. Fortunately nearly every CRT works the same way and doesn't care whether the circuit driving it makes the beam go back and fort and down and up or whether it's driven in another pattern.

>> No.5131762

>>5128113
>Maybe not in the case of Tempest because its just a regular cabinet
The spinner and display are not exactly regular. Sure you can get spinners for PCs although they're not common peripherals, but that vector display is not something a modern TV or monitor replicates very well.

>> No.5131795

>>5131710
>Fortunately nearly every CRT works the same way and doesn't care whether the circuit driving it makes the beam go back and fort and down and up or whether it's driven in another pattern.
You build yokes and deflection circuits by hand often, do you? And what's your approach to multicolor displays?

>> No.5131804

>>5127796
It's probably landing in a dumpster filled with pillows and mattresses OP.
I wouldn't worry about it one bit.

>> No.5131821

>>5127796
>>5128591
BASED
All western subhuman hardware should be destroyed desu
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FA_uS4nMvtA

>> No.5131857

>>5127796
here's a video of these 100% verified fucking faggots destroying machines. they're a company called TNT amusements. they're well known for ripping people off, supplying faulty hardware, performing shoddy work and refusing to refund people unless they're about to be dragged into court.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PlGhKuE1Rc

>> No.5132010

>>5127796
it's a shitty thing to do, some people worked hard to build that thing, planed wood, drilled screws, made the art on the sides, ground glass, installed the mechanisms, if they were just going to destroy it why even have the thing? Just take it to the dump, guess it gave them a thrill.

>> No.5132021

>>5132010
At least they could've destroyed a Golden Tee 2000 machine, not something so ancient.

>> No.5132045

>>5132021
> golden tee 2000
if it were incredible technologies' pc based hardware produced much later than this then i would agree. but the boards used for this game are really good. even the cabinets are pretty nice.

>> No.5132839

>>5127796
>how does /vr/ feel about this?
I don't think that is what the nerds had in mind when they said they wanted it "dumped".

>> No.5132976

>>5131795
Not very often. I also don't build tires, light bulbs, batteries etc often when the ones I'm using go bad. My approach to color is to treat it like any sort of old technology that's simple to handle if you know how.

>> No.5133726

>>5131710
>>5132976
Ur dumb dude

>> No.5134171

>>5133726
When a dumb tripfag calls you dumb you you you're at least smart enough that it can't understand what you're talking about

>> No.5134789

>>5130448
I agree with you 100%.

>> No.5135006

>>5134171
Is actually very clear now from your posts that you haven't known what we're talking about from the beginning since you went on to demonstrate you also don't know what YOU'RE talking about.

>> No.5135310

>>5135006
Whole lotta projectin' goin' on

>> No.5135462

>>5131857
JEJ this is the first time I've ever heard anything about it, and even searching for it only gives way to a Pinside post with Gameroomguru bitching about them.

>> No.5135485

>>5135310
See
>>5131710

/vr/ is really getting bad, sadly.

>> No.5136305

I work at a arcade, and have destroyed (parts that were useful taken care) daytona usa, motogp, sega megatech... sometimes it´s more expensive to fix a wreck that is missing parts than to buy a "new" one

>> No.5136481

>>5136305
10/LARP

>> No.5136806

>>5127870
>the only real value a game has lies in the experience of playing it. fetishising "authentic" corporeal objects is for collectorfags who don't actually play. as long as the actual software persists, it doesn't matter what happens to the individual machines
Ambiance and full-sensory experience. It's like the difference between standing on the edge of the Grand Canyon vs seeing a photo of the Grand Canyon on your phone.

>> No.5138295

>>5127796
this is that CIA game that fucks with your mind and makes you an hero
>It must be destroyed

>> No.5138316

>fix it
>destroy it
or, brand new idea
>take it apart and reuse the pieces for something else
I don't get why no one understands what recycling is.

>> No.5138374

That video's by TNT Amusements >>5128591 who have been in the arcade and pinball business since the 80s (ie back when it was still relevant). Say what you will about Todd, the dude's a fucking savant when it comes to this stuff, and if you've seen his videos (especially the ones where he goes through the warehouse), it's clear his business is packed with spare machines and parts. He wouldn't destroy something unless it had no value to him and he just wanted it gone. From the looks of it you're more than welcome to travel to Philly and take those parts off his hands.

Something else to keep in mind, those clips are 13 years old and the pinball machine was rotted and soaked in cat piss.