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How was the pc engine overall? Did westerners just get cucked with the tg16?

>> No.5126117

TG16 came out in the west too late, when the Genesis was already on the market.
In Japan, PC Engine came out in 1987 and was a direct competitor to the Famicom for a while.

>> No.5126146
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>>5126112
It's an okay console. Had some nice ports of arcade and computer games, plus a decent selection of originals. Actually made good use of its CD-ROM add-on. Overall it's outclassed by the Mega Drive and SFC in both hardware and software, but it's worth checking out.

>> No.5126175

>>5126112
Rondo is essential, and some of the shmups are okay. Overall I wouldn't recommend buying original hardware but it emulates easily enough

>> No.5126302
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5126302

In frogland we had this compagny called Sodipeng that sold Pc-Engine imported straight from japan ( with some video mods ) before the Pal TG16 attempt

>> No.5126315

>>5126112
>How was the pc engine overall?
total fucking garbage
>Did westerners just get cucked with the tg16?
in some ways, yes. nec also lied about the name, claiming for a long time that it was a 16-bit console but when in reality it used an enhanced 8-bit 6502 CPU.

>> No.5126340

Most cucked ones were those who got Pal TG16. It's a cost reduced version of US TG16 and the remaining european stock was then sold in south korea by a local brand / distributor.
The games were the same US cartridges not optimized for pal so games were slower.

>> No.5126373

>>5126315
If you want to put it that way, the SNES also used an enhanced 6502 CPU with an 8-bit data bus. The PCE did have a 16-bit VDC at least. The whole bit war thing was stupid anyway, since it was ambiguous what people were actually referring to. I'm actually surprised Sega didn't market the Mega Drive as 32-bit.

>> No.5126381

>>5126373
No, I'm sure it's the, guidance system.

>> No.5126416

>>5126373
snes cpu was 16-bit with 8-bit 6502 compatibility.
> The PCE did have a 16-bit VDC at least
this is what console manufacturers did for years:
> release system
> claim it's <whatever>-bit cpu
> get called out on their fucking lies and bullshit
> sorry, goys! we were talking about the video hardware or something else entirely
never gets old. kek.

>> No.5126468

>>5126146
>It's an okay console
>Overall it's outclassed by the Mega Drive in software
yeah no

>> No.5126490

>>5126468
megadrive shits all over it, you delusional faggot.

>> No.5126501

>>5126112

PCE was a cheap second console to have. It came out in 87, and competed against the Famicom. It had two years where nothing was superior to it. 89 saw the release of the Mega Drive, which was better, but didn't catch on as much in Japan as it did in America.

In America, the MD took the role of the PCE in Japan, as the secondary competitor to the Super Famicom.

>> No.5126549

Best PCE games:

>Star Soldier
>Dragon's Curse (port)
>Dracula X: Rondo of Blood
>Street Fighter II: Champion Edition (port)
>Bomberman ’94
>R-Type Complete (port)
>Gomola Speed
>Gradius II (port)
>Seirei Senshi Spriggan

>> No.5126580
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5126580

>>5126549
This was pretty good too

>> No.5126589

>>5126549
Not a bad list. I'd add Lords of Thunder and Legendary Axe.

>> No.5127632

>>5126112
Great. No. I'm a westerner and never got cucked with a TG16. But I've had a lot of PCEs and had one long before the TG16 came out.

>>5126302
I've have some PCEs with an NTSC->PAL mod and always thought it was some random mod. But a while back I learned that some of the other modded consoles I have are legit official mods.

>> No.5127695

>>5127632
This entire post is larping.

>> No.5127696

Didn't Kanye West plan on naming a future album off of the TG-16? He really likes Blazing Lasers.

>> No.5127794

>>5126112
Why did the tg16 have to be so much bigger? I guess it goes to show America's big and black obsession goes back many years kek.

tg16 was alright but it would have probably been way better if it actually got to sell at least closer to as much as Genesis or Snes did. That two controller button would have held it back though as a competitor the way Genesis controller eventually held it back for some games like Mortal Kombat.

Imagine a different timeline though and the TG16, MD/Genesis and SNES all sold as well as the three main consoles last gen sold? Would have been interesting to see where the industry would go next with those three selling like that.

>> No.5127850

>>5127696
really likes the launch game huh, Kanye probably doesn't give a rats ass, he's a nigger hipster obviously

>> No.5127851

>>5127794
The redesign was a shame.
A little white console would have been unique.
Instead they made it look like a wannabe Genesis.

>> No.5127931

>>5127851
Wouldn't it have been more cost effective as well since less plastic? The only reason I can think of that they did a redesign was thanks to marketing. Their marketing department or whatever was telling them nobody would want that small white console. Make it bigger and black. If they were going to do that they should have at least included another controller port on the thing.

>> No.5128612

>>5126117
TG-16 technically came out a few months earlier but NEC barely sold any units outside of major cities so unless you were in NYC or LA you couldn't find one.

Really their entire strategy was just copy-pasting what they did in Japan without considering local conditions.

>> No.5128619

>>5127931
I think the PCE design might've caused trouble with the FCC because they used to be really fussing about proper shielding. But mostly it was because people would assume a small device is weak and conversely a large device was powerful.

>> No.5128629
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I have never seen one irl but this thing is really tiny and cute.

>> No.5128683

I'd like to know if there are any PC Engine CD worth games. So far I just know of Rondo of Blood and Cho Aniki, and Ys.

Any other good games around? English translated, preferably

>> No.5128824

>>5127695
>This entire post is underage projecting
FTFYK

>> No.5130029

>>5128683
Dungeon Explorer 2 if you'd like something similar to Gauntlet. There's not that many CD games that are translated or localized unfortunately. Like Romhacking.net only shows 8 titles translated.

>> No.5130040

>>5126468
>>5126490
megadrive is definitely better in the graphics department...if you want RPGs though pce is a lot better

the "color" thing is a meme. PCE games are more colorful than genesis games, but snes games shit all over the system. PCE had a limited pallette, so you usually had no more than 80-90 colors onscreen

>> No.5130048

>>5126112
great console. inferior in library and graphics to its competition but it had some genre-defining games. Also had the best Taito, Namco and Irem support at the time. The sega and falcom games are great too

Street Fighter II lacked turbo, but it came out 3 months before the snes version of Turbo. It helped boost PCE sales by "double the current rate", which was big at the time for a niche console that lost relevancy after 1992

>> No.5130051

>>5126549
very solid list, though I never got the appeal of Gomola Speed
add "blood gear" for the Wonderboy fans

add Nexzr and GOT/LOT for shooters

Fatal Fury Special had the best port on pce

Bonk 2, New Adventure Island, Parasol Stars and SonSon II (Capcom) are absolutely essential games in the genre

Best RPGs on the system (some even have best graphics)
>Tengai Makyou 2 and Kabukiden
>Anearth Fantasy Stories
>Xanadu 1 and 2
>Gulliver Boy
>Emerald Dragon

>> No.5130106

>>5126112
>Did westerners just get cucked with the tg16?

Yes,the TG16 got some great PCE games but still missed a lot.

>> No.5130124

PCE and MD are comparable graphically, PCE games usually have like 30 more colors on average and MD games often features smoother parallax and effects, but overall both systems look very similar, thanks to their 9-bit master palette.

SNES games look more distinct because of the higher use of pastel shades and better gradients, but it's also on the same ballpark.

>>5128683
Gate of Thunder, Lords of Thunder, Spriggan, Mad Stalker, J.B. Harold Murder Club, Asuka 120%, the best (non-Neo Geo) 16-bit Fatal Fury Special and World Heroes II ports.

>> No.5130540

>>5127794
>Imagine a different timeline though and the TG16, MD/Genesis and SNES all sold as well as the three main consoles last gen sold?

NEC mismanaged the system in later years. Supergrafx was a retarded idea (usurp your well-selling console)
too many irrelevant models
also pigeonholing the system into niche weeb games led to PC-FX

NEC did do a good job (mostly) porting classic arcade hits to the PC Engine. Afterburner 2 and Darius Plus were masterful conversions.

But it took 4.5 years for Strider to get released, and was below par

>> No.5130704

>>5126381
YUU NEVAH LEHT ME DO VAT AY VANT!

>> No.5130762

>>5126112
>How was the pc engine overall?
Pretty good if you lived in Japan.
>Did westerners just get cucked with the tg16?
Yep. NEC decided it would be a great idea to mimic the Japanese release of releasing it in major cities first (like NYC and LA), without taking account that America is kinda a lot bigger country and way more spread out than fucking Japan. Then they sold the rights of distribution to TTI, which during that time the SNES and Genesis were becoming the systems of choice as they were already widely available and TTI had to fight for shelf space. The PAL release was even more limited to the point where the system practically didn't exist over there.
>>5127794
>>5127851
>>5128619
It was FCC regulations you fucktards. You could've answered this with a google search, as it was the same reason the SNES was made bulkier for the American market.

>> No.5130812

>>5130762
>The PAL release was even more limited to the point where the system practically didn't exist over there.

France was probably the only European country where the PCE got a real cult-following

Loricel even made a few games for it

>> No.5130879

>>5127794
nec made the cpu of the n64 and the gpu of the dreamcast so they did in a way

>> No.5130886

What are the best lewd games on PC engine?

I need some to play on my gba sp to flashcart

>> No.5130887

IMO all manufacturers releasing yellow-prone brominated white/beige plastic should be lined up against a wall and summarily executed. Thank fucking god the genesis and american saturn are colored black.

>> No.5130921

>>5130886
Strip Fighter II
Dragon Knight series
Steam Hearts

>> No.5131297

>>5130762
>the same reason the SNES was made bulkier for the American market.
But the SNES and the SFC are about the same size. NoA was scared of kids putting drinks on the system and spilling them so they made the design segmented and uneven to discourage it.

>> No.5131501
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5131501

So I'll just try to make a PCE General type post

What is the best version of the system to try to buy these days? Do the Japanese PCE systems work in the US? Are there any actual drawbacks to getting the Turbografx-16 instead?
What is the best way to emulate it on the Wii?

>> No.5131678

>>5131501
Mednafen on Wii is all you need. fuck trying to get into the hardware.

There are myriad versions of the console and the CD systems need an additional card to even work, and some games need a certain card. On top of that, the games are fucking retardedly expensive nowadays for some reason.
PLUS unless you know Moonrunes, the library is absurdly small.

>> No.5131757

>>5131501
As someone who put down a lot of money for a PC Engine Duo R, you should probably not bother wasting money on hardware. Everything about pc-engine is through the roof or has too many downsides
>Hu-Cards are expensive as fuck now
>Certain games need arcade cards
>Only a handful of worthy CD games and maybe two handfuls of worthy Hu-Card games
>all systems can only output composite and need a fairly expensive RGB mod or device to get reference quality video output
>accessories are fucking expensive for some reason
and like this anon suggested >>5131678 you should use a good emulator like Mednafen.

>> No.5131871

>>5131757
>Only a handful of worthy CD games
Spotted the burgerboi
>all systems can only output composite and need a fairly expensive RGB mod or device to get reference quality video output
No surprise a faggot who says shit like "reference quality video output" doesn't know WTF he's talking about. All PCEs with a proper ext bus output RGB. It's no ones fault but your own if you overpay for a simple amp board nonretards pay $5 for assembled and shipped.

>> No.5131887

>>5128824
Just saying you're full of shit, brah.

>> No.5131908

>>5130124
>SNES games look more distinct because of the higher use of pastel shades
what in fuck is this nonsense? that machine had a 15-bit palette (32768 colours). pastel shades! my fucking sides. that has nothing to do with anything. that's a design choice by the graphics artists and has nothing to do with the actual palette.

>> No.5132398

>>5131678
>On top of that, the games are fucking retardedly expensive nowadays for some reason.

>PLUS unless you know Moonrunes, the library is absurdly small.

HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM.

>> No.5132981

>>5131887
That's it's called projection, brah

>> No.5133209

>>5131908
>that's a design choice by the graphics artists and has nothing to do with the actual palette.

the PC Engine came out 3 whole years before the Super Famicom did.

Despite what the few small number of PCE fanboys like to claim, the PCE was inferior to the snes in color output due to the sizes of the pallettes. This is commonly reflected in multiple games

It was very uncommon for a PCE game to have more than 80-90 colors onscreen. SNES games could easily approach 130.

>> No.5133536

>>5133209
The PCE had fewer color overall, but could technically display significantly more on the screen at once.

>> No.5133545

>>5131297
Source nigger, because everywhere else points to the SNES design being due to FCC regulations.

>> No.5133557

>>5131871
Name some CD games that are not JRPGs, Mahjong and porno AVGs.

>> No.5133561

>>5132398
what's wrong

>> No.5133713

>>5133557
depends what you like to play...there's always Rondo which has been circle-jerked to death

got some other goodies like...
>Gate of thunder
>Lords of Thunder
>Gradius 2
>River City Ransom
>Fatal Fury Special
>Rainbow Islands
>Nexzr
>Valis series (most of them suck)
>Chiki Chiki Boys
>Forgotten Worlds
>Kaze Kiri
>Spriggan series
>Download 2
>Star Parodier

if you want good platformers, most of the best are on hucard

there's a CD version of strider for shits and giggles, has a new stage and great soundtrack, but graphics are below par and lots of songs are cut

>> No.5133984

>>5132981
>That's it's
No, it's called lying. Stop doing it. Also, literacy. Holy shit.

>> No.5134160

>>5133984
Technically you're not lying as you never claimed you're old enough to post here. But you're still breaking the rules.

>> No.5134310

>>5134160
Just pointing out that you're full of shit, as I said earlier.

>> No.5135145

>>5130029
this guy knows whats up.

>> No.5135152

>>5133713

Theres a good port of bubble bobble too I think.

>> No.5135272

>>5131871
>Spotted the burgerboi
I live nowhere near America nor have I ever been to to America, so it's quite the opposite. Let me make a snap generalisation like you have so I'll call you eurotrash
>No surprise a faggot who says shit like "reference quality video output" doesn't know WTF he's talking about.
How hard is it to understand? reference quality video output meaning that you are getting a video output result that is as close to the maximum quality of a analog signal that the system can spit out.
>All PCEs with a proper ext bus output RGB. It's no ones fault but your own if you overpay for a simple amp board nonretards pay $5 for assembled and shipped.
Let's break this down
>have to buy a fairly expensive device to get RGB out of external bus PC Engines
Never mind the fact that even normal pc engines or core duo's have shot through the roof in price in recent years, you have to purchase another $89 device to even get RGB out of it. inb4 you claim that only poorfags can't afford $89 bucks. I don't care how much you exaggerate about your own life, that's relatively expensive for most people.
>but your own if you overpay for a simple amp board nonretards pay $5 for assembled and shipped.
>simple amp
>$5
Nice stretch fuckwit. Eat my shit with a spoon, have a nice day.

>> No.5135341

>>5133557
>b-b-but muh JRPGs
lol. Anyway >>5133713 already listed some

>>5135272
It's super easy to understand that anyone who says "reference quality video output" is a faggot. Because people who aren't faggots don't say shit like that. I guess it's the kind of faggots who overpay for shit on eBay and then bullshit about how prices are even higher than that. And yes, your super expensive RGB mod is just a simple amp. The fact that you don't knows this shows how stupid and ignorant you are. The fact that you think it costs at least $89 proves it.

>> No.5135472

>>5131501
Jap PCE's work out of the box in the US, and at this point IMO they're the best option if you get a Super SD System 3.

>> No.5135509

>>5135152
someone was working on a homebrew version but it's vaporware

shame cuz they got far

>> No.5136237

>>5134310
You've proven beyond a shadow of a doubt you're a little projecting faggot. Anyone who says you are is saying nothing but the god honest truth.

>> No.5136285

>>5136237
Really, you're just upset and embarrassed that you got called out for lying.

>> No.5136653

>>5128683
Godzilla was pretty neat. Japanese only, so I didn't know what to do later on.

>> No.5136709

WTF happened over the past two weeks!? you could find a PCE on ebay for $50-60 easy but it looks like everything's shot up to ~$100 in a matter of days.

>> No.5136782

>>5136709
Market disruption. The duo was previously the most desired but with the new SD card accessory the smaller systems are now the ficus of consumers. Everyone should have expected this.

>> No.5137327

>>5136285
Really, I'm just having fun taking the piss out of an insecure child

>> No.5137548

>>5136782
Glad I hopped onto the PCE boat before word got out about the SDS3.

>> No.5137564

>>5126112
I had a TG16 as a kid and sold it to get a Genesis. They only thing I remember playing on it was Bonk. I liked the name and the way the game cards looked, but even as a kid I knew the Genesis was the better option.

>> No.5137564,1 [INTERNAL] 

>>5137327
Really, you're just mad you took your fiction too far and got called for larping.

>> No.5137912

>>5137327
Really, you're just upset and embarrassed that you got called out for lying. It's cute that you're trying to larp as a chav now, though.

>> No.5138361

>>5136782
but ssds3 has been out for almost a year now

>> No.5138592

>>5137912
Really, I bump this thread roughly once a day to trigger a little bitch with issues. It's cute how you google shit and parrot. You'll make a great tripfag some day.

>> No.5138605

>muh shmups
>muh pinball
holy shit its worst then the saturn

>> No.5138609

>>5138605
But it has more original games?

>> No.5138730

>>5138592
Really, you're just upset and embarrassed that you got called out for lying. At least you stopped trying to pretend you're a chav.

>> No.5138743 [DELETED] 

>>5138592
You're both fucking faggots, but he's right. You're full of shit.
>But I've had a lot of PCEs and had one long before the TG16 came out.
By "long before" you mean what? Like just over a year if you're as American as you sound. Your English is way too good to be French or Spanish, so those are out. No one's going to buy that bullshit.
>taking the piss
Oh, so you're from the UK? Where the console wasn't released until 1990 and even then only under the "TurboGrafx" name?
>google shit
Something you probably should have done before posting. Took me all of five minutes in Google to realize why that other sperg thinks you're a roleplaying kid from Burgerland.

>> No.5138765

>>5138592
You're both fucking faggots, but he's got a point. You sound suspiciously like a bullshitter.
>But I've had a lot of PCEs and had one long before the TG16 came out.
By "long before" you mean what? Like just over a year if you're as American as you sound. Your English is way too good to be French or Spanish, so those are out. No one's going to buy that.
>taking the piss
Oh, so you're from the UK? Where the console wasn't released until 1990 and even then only under the "TurboGrafx" name?
>google shit
Funny, it took me all of five minutes in Google to realize why that other sperg thinks you're a roleplaying kid from Burgerland.

So tell me why that isn't the case. Explain how someone living in the UK pre-1990 (a year before the fucking web was even publicly available) had the hookup on the Japanese version of a console most people didn't even know by name outside of Japan? I suppose you could've been buying up the imported units being sold in France, but those weren't even available until 1989. That brings us right back to your "long before" claim again. That leaves actual Japanese PCE units.

(Bonus Points will be awarded if your story somehow has you growing up, working in, and/or being from Japan or involves a family member bringing the consoles back from "business trips" to a child that doesn't even speak the language or have the television required to make use of them.)

>> No.5139708

>>5138730
Not even mad kiddo

>>5138765
wew lad. I hope you dind't wear out your moms iphone tapping all that crazy.

>> No.5139918

>>5139708
>yeah, i lie on anonymous imageboards
y tho?

>> No.5140118

>>5139918
The only lie here is when you clicked "yes I'm old enough to post here"

>> No.5140242

>>5138765
>Oh, so you're from the UK?
> thinks taking the piss is just a UK term
american retard logic, everyone. doesn't get more kek worthy than this.

>> No.5140634

>>5140242
So where are you from then, bullshitter-kun?

>> No.5140661

>>5140242
>>5140634
you guys are honestly both faggots

>> No.5140780

>>5140661
>maybe if i just pretend to be another poster
Bullshitter-kun, pls.

>> No.5140946

>1 controller port
>controller only has 2 buttons
>not marketed nearly as much as the genesis
It never stood a chance

>> No.5140957

>>5140946
B-But Johnny Turbo!

>> No.5140965

>>5140946
It has the same number of buttons as the Genesis controller.

>> No.5141259

>>5140965
>the Genesis controller
wew lad

>> No.5141263

>>5140946
isn't there 2 player games but you need a multi tap just to play 2 people?

>> No.5141656

>>5141263
Yes, but because the PCE was the friendless weirdo console there were very few multiplayer games. The exception was Bomberman, which used all five ports on the multitap.

>> No.5142092 [DELETED] 

>>5140242
>>thinks taking the piss is just a UK term
It's more like the PC-E/TG16 was only released in North America, Japan, the United Kingdom, Spain, and France. Of those, which one is "taking the piss" most likely to be heard?

>> No.5142095

>>5140242
>>thinks taking the piss is just a UK term
It's more like the PC-E/TG-16 was only released in North America, Japan, the United Kingdom, Spain, and France. Of those, in which one is "taking the piss" most likely to be heard?

>> No.5143549

>>5142095
>thinks wikpedia is infallible
>thinks international shipping didn't exist before ebay
>thinks

>> No.5143568

Does anyone here actually have a SSDS3? I'm curious how good it is. I'm tempted to pick up a PC Engine solely for this since my Duo can be a bit shaky sometimes.

>> No.5144047

>>5143549
I mostly >think you're full of shit, but that's already been well-established in the thread.

>> No.5144862

>>5136653
There's a US release