/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.5120905]

How does /vr/ feel about MUGEN games? After all, the engine was made in 1999.

[Anonymous No.5121207]

>>5120905
Man smash 5 is gonna be epic. Sakurai really rused us when he said not to expect too many new characters.

[Anonymous No.5121223]

2018 and still no online mode. It's pointless trash.

[Anonymous No.5121224]

>>5120905
>Mugen with Steam Workshop

[Anonymous No.5121226]

Still better than ROM hacks will ever be.

[Anonymous No.5121275]

It was cool at first...until you realize that most characters are OP and it cant be used for balanced fighting game purposes.

It's good for a laugh or two like Ronald McDonald and Colonel Sanders duking it out. But outside of that, its meh.

[Anonymous No.5121278]

>>5121275
Balancing is overrated, people love broken mechanics when it works to their favor. Mugen is most fun if you have a crapload of characters and both players pick random select.

[Anonymous No.5121416]

>>5121278
Until it lands on F1

Or one player gets Nightmare Dagger and the other player gets someone who doesn't have any non-projectile attacks

[Anonymous No.5121832]

>>5121416
Then why put F1 in it?
I think you guys truly haven't dug through all the sites to get where mine's at. It's pretty balanced outside of Rare Akuma and one of the Psycho Shredders. I like playing the SHMUP characters like the ThunderForce ship (Styx) cause it's OP when I use it, but still dies in 3 hits. It doesn't help that the site that hosted a lot of the Japanese ones, freett.com, shut down 2 years ago. It was similar to GeoCities, but no one noticed the shutdown or cared to archive it.

[Anonymous No.5124084]

My dream is to make a MUGEN game where every character is a variant of Ken, except for one spot reserved for GEESE.

[Anonymous No.5126358]

my favorite one was neo sonic

[Anonymous No.5126595]

>>5124084
You cannot escape from deff

[Anonymous No.5126694]

>>5126358
Was he cheap

[Anonymous No.5128785]

>>5126694
kinda but once you knew his moves you could easily evade

[Anonymous No.5128787]

hey hey hey

[Anonymous No.5128810]

>>5121223
>fighting game
>trash
Yes they are. But crippling delay of online is not some magical pill. Online makes them worse.

[Anonymous No.5128816]

I made a Super Turbo Akuma for Mugen a few years ago, and it was one hall of an experience. Although that might have been because I went into it with an explicit goal of converting everything as accurately as possible, as I felt the tools and resources available now (hitbox scripts, MAME debugger, general knowledge base among players, etc.) were good enough for full accuracy. But it ended up feeling like I was fighting the engine most of the time. So much stuff in the source game is based on lookup tables, which you can't really do in Mugen, so I just had to have lots of redundant variable setting routines in every state. Even stuff like getting reversals to work properly required doing things differently than how the engine and Kung Fu Man seem to tell you they should be done.

[Anonymous No.5128819]

>>5121223
There actually is an unofficial Mugen clone called Ikemen that has online play. I haven't tried it myself, but friends of mine have used it a lot.

[Anonymous No.5129025]

>>5121226
Where did ROMhacks touch you, dude?

[Anonymous No.5129124]

>>5128819
It works but it's instanced, I wanted some form of official lobby

[Anonymous No.5129125]

>>5129025
I believe he's talking of this kind of shit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQ9TINaWNPs

[Anonymous No.5129134]

>>5129125
There are occasionally non-shit hacks like adding the boss team from UM back into original KOF98. But most of them are trash.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Md-ru0Qv-Fo

[Anonymous No.5129317]

Grab a drink, grab a glass. After that I grab your ass.

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[Anonymous No.5130617]

god damn it i know there is a female version of Ky from guilty gear and i recal it was hosted on a japanese site but the internet thinks im lying help a guy out /mugen/

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[Anonymous No.5130668]

>>5121223
>>5128819
I used ikemen a couple of times , works great but you need to use hamachi and everyone must have the exact same Mugen

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[Anonymous No.5130740]

Watching the mystery tournament at Combo Breaker a few years ago was hilarious because of Mugen. The reactions and commentary made it amazing.

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[Anonymous No.5130896]

>>5121416
Used to play Tekken 3 on random with a friend. Every once in a while we'd get a fight where it was hilariously mismatched, but it's quick and it can be funny if you and your friend aren't cunts.

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[Anonymous No.5131761]

>>5131146
can't believe scorpion killed yaranaika man

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[Anonymous No.5132956]

>>5130617
Yes there was a female Ky, and she was shit from what I recall

[Anonymous No.5133542]

>>5132956
shit?

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[Anonymous No.5133702]

>>5129125
This is hilarious.

[Anonymous No.5133708]

what mugen clones are balanced or good for single player? There's that DBZ mugen, as well as a couple of mortal kombat games?

[Anonymous No.5133779]

>>5120905
It gets old, but I had one great summer where my brothers and I were really into it. It was fun finding weird characters online and testing them out. Eventually we had a good cast figured out and set stages/music that fit each character. Used this song for the character select screen:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zys-u0vLGJk

[Anonymous No.5133836]

Touhou Gensoken reloaded is still lit.

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[Anonymous No.5133929]

>>5133542
Yes, the usual shortcomings of poorly made characters like choppy animations and infinite priority hitboxes.

[Anonymous No.5134567]

castlevania season 2

[Anonymous No.5134849]

Never played it, I remember the videos that people would make about MUGEN in the early days of YouTube shit like "maroi vs sonic" and its at like 2 frames per second.

[Anonymous No.5136827]

>>5134849
or homer hates

[Anonymous No.5136848]

https://kotchan.org/chat/int

[Anonymous No.5137072]

>>5120905
Fun in low doses, but more so when you first discover the game and its community. Damn, I wish I could go back and relive the insanity of Nightmare Broly again.

[Anonymous No.5138613]

>>5137072
why

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[Anonymous No.5139516]

my only problem with Mugen is the community of elitists who act like their collection of 'rare' fighters should be kept away from the plebs, who should sit and watch their 5fps youtube video instead.

[Anonymous No.5140268]

post some saltybet

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[Anonymous No.5142612]

Seems interesting. I have no fucking clue where to even start, though.

[Anonymous No.5143687]

>>5142612
which

[Anonymous No.5143936]

I like that it was a treasure trove of Midnight bliss sprites

[Anonymous No.5145113]

>>5143936
how many

[Anonymous No.5145143]

>>5139516
That stuff stopped happening like a decade ago.

[Anonymous No.5145237]

>>5120905
I always loved mugen. You gotta download the parts and build it yourself though.

[Anonymous No.5145694]

[Anonymous No.5145749]

Where's the go-to place for obtaining characters for MUGEN these days?

[Anonymous No.5146253]

>>5145749
mugen archive but you have to make an account first or you can lurk around old geocities or go on mugen guild

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[Anonymous No.5149119]

why nobody talking about mugen

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[Anonymous No.5150367]

>>5120905
Thanks for reminding me about saltybet, I haven't counted all my salt in months.

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[Anonymous No.5153876]

I feel like /vr/ should put together a horrible, massive MUGEN pack.

Or at least link some.

[Anonymous No.5154565]

Can anyone link to actual good balanced full games?

[Anonymous No.5155004]

[Anonymous No.5155028]

I FEEL GOOD

[Anonymous No.5155248]

I remember the drama around funding for an Intel compiler.

[Anonymous No.5155251]

>>5154565
>balanced
>MUGEN

[Anonymous No.5155650]

>>5155028

[Anonymous No.5155882]

>>5133592
What is a good mugen resource? I especially want Miku Maekawa

[Anonymous No.5156614]

What does M.U.G.E.N stand for? I remember reading a readme.txt file in the early 2000s that explained it, but recently I looked it up and... they don't remember?

[Anonymous No.5156629]

>>5156614
Multiple Urcade Gachine Enulator.
(Really). It's supposed to be a take on MAME (Multiple Arcade Machine Emulator). They wanted the acronym to read MUGEN ("infinite" in japanese).

Also, I'm pretty sure you know this, but originally MUGEN was supposed to be a shooting game engine.

[Anonymous No.5156641]

>>5155882
>I especially want Miku Maekawa
she's only featured as a character assist for the Producer along with other Cinderella girls.

[Anonymous No.5156642]

Off topic but if anyone has the name for this game I'd be grateful.

It had "stock" characters like a ninja, an archer, a knight, a kung fu dude, etc, and they had names like Kevin, Kyle, Tom. Lots of objects. Had arcade and versus modes, very customizable matches. Quite fun. Old. I think it was chinese or japanese or something.

[Anonymous No.5156645]

>>5156642
nvm found it. Little Fighter it was called. So crappy, so fun.

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[Anonymous No.5157329]

>>5156614
https://jisho.org/search/%E7%84%A1%E9%99%90
Mugen means infinite in Japanese.

[Anonymous No.5157457]

>>5155251

>>5150367 's thousands of hours running has sorted quite competently a lot of mugen fighters.
Although I miss the thrill of betting when you had no idea if the match was going to be 50:50 or 100:0.

[Anonymous No.5157925]

>>5157457
Thanks

[Anonymous No.5157936]

>>5156641
Yeah except for a few Cinderellas like Uzuki, the only way to get some aidorus is that and Haruka.
I'd kill for an actual Kirarin or even Mikunyan but better than nothing I guess.

[Anonymous No.5158090]

>>5156629
>Multiple Urcade Gachine Enulator.
didneyworl

[Anonymous No.5158618]

>>5158090
which

[Anonymous No.5158827]

>>5130617
If you are still looking for it, that would be Kyko. There are other genderbent characters (i. e. Zero -> Zeroko) available for Mugen like that too.

[Anonymous No.5159674]

>>5158827
thanks

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[Anonymous No.5162582]

why

[Anonymous No.5163509]

>>5120905
Saltybet

[Anonymous No.5164058]

>>5158090
Fighting you makes me feel like a CONQUEROR again

[Anonymous No.5165007]

>>5164058

[Anonymous No.5165109]

>>5121278
>Mugen is most fun if you have a crapload of characters and both players pick random select.

This is the only way my friend and I play it. ~1300 characters from every conceivable source, and we just do 4v4 Turns with full Randomselect. It's completely unbalanced and stupid, but that's exactly why it's fun. Getting outclassed and losing over some ridiculous bullshit is just part of the experience. You don't even mind it, since the matches are quick, it's always entertaining, and you might be the one who gets something OP next round. We only break MUGEN out when we're shitfaced, and it never fails to amuse for a few hours.

[Anonymous No.5165125]

>>5121207
Shocking this thread needed 103 replies before you got your (you).

[Anonymous No.5166531]

[Anonymous No.5168018]

I loved mugen but the only thing that made me quit putting more than 100 chars was that I wanted to play against beatable characters.
I knew how to modify AI but it was putting a lot of

[Anonymous No.5168127]

>>5168018
A LOT OF??

[Anonymous No.5169436]

>>5168018
Did you get stroked

[Anonymous No.5169475]

>>5120905
I think it's more fun collecting characters and stages than playing, kind of like it is with The Sims.

A couple anons mentioned something like "OP character russian roulette" where you just randomly select a character from hundred and hope for the best. I never thought of that, and it sounds pretty fun tbqh.

[Anonymous No.5169873]

>>5120905
Conceptually I love it. My favourite thing in fighting games is a huge roster. Don't really find myself playing it though

[Anonymous No.5169876]

>>5120905
There's a Castlevania MUGEN-based game which was great, but that's the only one that's good enough to mention

[Anonymous No.5171250]

>>5169876
I wonder who.

[Anonymous No.5171427]

I likes this guy in mugen.

[Anonymous No.5171439]

>>5128816

[Anonymous No.5171502]

Saltybet was a fun experience while it lasted, though I don’t even know if it’s still running.
DIO vs. the Whale was a legendary thing to witness.

[Anonymous No.5172116]

It's so weird seeing a terrible character I made when I was 14 still being posted.

[Anonymous No.5172168]

>try your best to create a polished and balanced mugen build
>your pc eventually dies and the build is gone forever

[Anonymous No.5172390]

>>5163509
this cracka know what's up

[Anonymous No.5172395]

http://www.saltybet.com/
>it's still up
hollyyyyyy

[Anonymous No.5173349]

>>5172116
is it scorpion mvc

[Anonymous No.5174669]

>>5172395
yess

[Anonymous No.5176220]

>>5171439
explain

[Anonymous No.5176430]

>>5120905
As someone who lurked through the community for almost 10 years i was a regular at Mugen Fighers Guild and Infantry
FORGET IT, its full limp dicked egocentric and now SJW weirdos who keeps copying an portuguese creator who left the scene years ago

Elecbyte said fuck it to the engine itself after years of bitching, its still stuck on 1.1 alpha and prone to bugs, the "sprite art" nowadays is nothing but a bunch of assholes trying to imitate the CvS style but failing at shading proportions(characters with orange, pink or lifeless skin shading), the tools for it are a clusterfucks of broken proportions that can even break the damn character and mugen itself, and if you criticize or give a good feedback about it, they simply ban you for "toxic behaviour".

and everything is being led by the Spaniard, brazillian and canadian combination of what i said above.

The Last Good community was Club Syndicate, but the Community drama tore the community apart and the general interest in Mugen for everyone there.

>>5166531
Literally what i said above, the shading looks garbage on both axel and cody.
even this pile of shit on >pic looks better

[Anonymous No.5176539]

Wait why didn't any of you guys say that the Card Sagas Wars devs actually released a demo earlier this year?

[Anonymous No.5176971]

>>5176430
from the looks of it they just did a headswap of axel and cody

[Anonymous No.5177252]

>>5176971
not only that, the arms shading is ugly as fuck, the legs look like bad jury rigged versions of terry bogard in capcom vs snk
its over designed garbage instead of simplicity, the assholes at Mugen guild and Trinitymugen thinks that this is ok, but it isn't.
The CvS Sprites were simple conversions(chun-li, geese) and redraws from the originals(Terry, Ryu, akuma, king, mai), and all of them kept it simple.

also i said that this leona looks garbage, but if i dare to say it, its simple and closer to the Capcom style.

[Anonymous No.5177652]

>>5177252
what about another kung fu girl z

[Anonymous No.5177801]

>>5177652
looks fine, but i wouldn't classify her as "CvS", the shading is still SNK-ish, though you can edit it in 2 minutes

>Pre-Kof 2002 vanessa sprites are kinda CvS ready with some pallete tricks, shame capcom never used her as Balrog's rival due to the development being rushed and SNK being egocentric dicks.

[Nickokapo No.5177972]

i was crazy about MUGEN back in the late 90s. The idea of adding characters and levels from any game amazed me. This was before Capcom VS SNK, i had a psx back then...i got CVS Pro for it later, but that was well after MUGEN.Then i just lost interest and dropped it. Lately tho i'm back to it full force (It started with finding out about "Hyper Dragonball Z") i've been playing mugen and openBOR frequently ever since. Some of my favorites: "Bootleg Wars" / "TMNT TF MUGEN" / "Famicom Fighters" / "Kart Fighter Remake" / "Battle stormer classics" / "Pocket Dimensional Clash" / "Card Sagas Wars" / "Mega Man Robot Master Mayhem" / "Steel Warriors" / "Avengers vs X-Men" / "Saint seiya ultimate cosmo" / "X-Men Second Coming" / "Rorouni Kenshin Soul & Sword" / ScruffyDragon's "DC VS Marvel" / "Super Marvel vs. Capcom: Eternity of Heroes"

[Anonymous No.5178957]

>>5177801
for a minute i though it was CvS but its a nice trick

nice anon, and i don't blame you for hating the faux pots shit, mainly after they decided to mix with SF4 shenanigans.

[Anonymous No.5178981]

>>5120905
Can't i just download a mega pack like in OPs picture? I have to assemble it myself? I tried once years ago. Resounding failure

[Anonymous No.5179117]

>>5178981
i thinks this was the long dead club syndicate pack

[Anonymous No.5179463]

>>5179117
Which

[Anonymous No.5180065]

>>5120905
this screenpack smells like autism

[Anonymous No.5180640]

go for a smaller roster

[Anonymous No.5181645]

>>5177801
what's wrong with that vanessa again

[Anonymous No.5181652]

someone post a link to one of those GIANT packs so we can all enjoy fan characters that dramatically vary in quality and balance

[Nickokapo No.5181971]

>>5181652
think i found the guy who made the one from the first screenshot, seems he's only sharing the screenpack tho: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WrS0wHD0cI
Here's another one tho https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DqkumQP2L_U ( http://www.mediafire.com/file/2wsftc851frqrvy/Mugen+Eve.zip )

[Anonymous No.5182943]

>>5181971
thanks

[Anonymous No.5183647]

>>5182943
And have fun

[Anonymous No.5184097]

>>5181645
Why

[Anonymous No.5184932]

>>5184097
What'd ya mean

[Anonymous No.5185742]

who

[Anonymous No.5185762]

>>5121275

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