Thoughts?

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Anonymous Tue Oct 16 13:14:50 2018 No.5106165 [Reply] [Original]

Thoughts?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 13:19:24 2018 No.5106172 File: 61 KB, 339x261, 041_c341.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >the underdog that led a 16-bit revolution >sega genesis

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 13:20:10 2018 No.5106174 It'll probably be just like the nt and super nt, high quality products that cost a lot.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 13:21:10 2018 No.5106182 It's the same shit we have seen a thousand times over the past few years. Wait for the Genesis Mini and hack it or be an absolute boss and install fucking Retroarch on your computer.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 13:22:21 2018 No.5106185 $190

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 13:23:20 2018 No.5106190 >>5106165 Genesis wasn't an underdog. Also this looks like garbage, like one of those cheep emulator box knockoff things.

Anonymous Tue Oct 16 13:23:21 2018 No.5106191

>>5106182
>It's the same shit we have seen a thousand times over the past few years
Point me to another FPGA Master System / Mega Drive that's been autistically engineered by Kevtris to run exactly like the original hardware?
>Wait for the Genesis Mini and hack it
Absolutely zero percent chance the Genesis mini will emulate more accurately than this machine

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 13:23:28 2018 No.5106192 my wife will love this

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 13:24:01 2018 No.5106194 Why would I get this when the first piece of Sega hardware in 18 years is coming out soon?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 13:24:17 2018 No.5106195 >>5106192 your wife has good taste since this is the best way to play mega drive

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 13:29:25 2018 No.5106207 Stop buying this junk.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 13:29:55 2018 No.5106209 >>5106191 >>5106195 shill harder, faggot

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 13:30:26 2018 No.5106212 >>5106192 Her boyfriend, too?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 13:32:22 2018 No.5106213 File: 167 KB, 504x454, U9O1J3NT3G.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] The white one is sexy and will look good along with my White (yellow) JP Saturn and Dreamcast.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 13:33:02 2018 No.5106214 >>5106207 This one is hardly junk. It’s an FPGA system that completely simulated the original hardware. It’s even Sega CD compatible

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 13:33:09 2018 No.5106215 >>5106172 >>5106190 it was at launch when NES was the undisputed king

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 13:34:59 2018 No.5106217 >>5106214 >It’s an FPGA system that completely simulated the original hardware No it doesn't. That's just marketing talk. It's an emulator. And judging by their previous work, not a particularly accurate one.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 13:35:15 2018 No.5106220 >>5106215 By that definition NES was also an underdog to start out because it was clawing its way up from nowhere as well. Playstation was an underdog because it had nothing going up against two market mainstays in sega and nintendo.

Anonymous Tue Oct 16 13:39:18 2018 No.5106227

>>5106217
Do you have any data to back up your claim that the NT and Super NT don't run accurately?
I'm sure that someone who holds such a strong opinion against Analogue surely has done lots of testing and has synthesized an analysis that points out the discrepancies between the two. :^)

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 13:42:30 2018 No.5106232 >>5106227 stop shilling your shit here

Anonymous Tue Oct 16 13:43:00 2018 No.5106234

The controller scares me. Thankfully the ports are there for the originals. I've never used one of their products and never will, but I can see the appeal for some. If they're making a quality product, at least... I'll just stick to emulating on the devices I already have.

Anonymous Tue Oct 16 13:43:09 2018 No.5106236

>>5106227
>Do you have any data to back up your claim that the NT and Super NT don't run accurately?
Yea, look at the firmware updates. They've had to squash bugs that other emulators fixed almost 20 years ago. It couldn't even play Chrono Trigger without crashing until the last one.

Anonymous Tue Oct 16 13:43:19 2018 No.5106238

>>5106220

NES had no real competition , it doesn't qualify. Even then famicom was already big in japan already

Playstation was lightning in a bottle, it sold well right out of the gate

Gen wasn't huge until years later, at the time Nintendo was so huge it really was hard to imagine Gen gaining headway, especially in Japan where it remained the underdog

Anonymous Tue Oct 16 13:45:40 2018 No.5106241

>>5106217
>not a particularly accurate one
The only thing that I found to be inaccurate on the Super nt was that the games run at an even 60Hz rather than the 60.08 that the regular one does, but you have frame buffering options to hit that. It also has the best scanline filter of any emulator I've seen and as someone who has an PVMeme, it's the closest to a perfect option to experience the CRT crispness without having to go out and splurge on one. I haven't heard of any bugs cropping up since the last firmware update either.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 13:46:19 2018 No.5106242 Wish this was licenced by Sega with Mega Drive logo and shit

Anonymous Tue Oct 16 13:47:08 2018 No.5106246

>>5106217
They even include the yamaha sound chips, have you even read about this thing at all?

>>5106227
Just fucking google it. The super NT has tons of bugs in games that have been slowly worked out through firmware updates. There’s nothing majorly wrong with owning one but it isn’t as accurate as just snes9x

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 13:47:37 2018 No.5106249 >>5106212 It's gives us so much more shelf space! Now I have all the elbow room I need to prep the bull!

Anonymous Tue Oct 16 13:50:38 2018 No.5106253

>itt: poverty poorfags, angry autists, and shameless shills all yelling at each other
The systems are perfectly fine for what they do, they're an emulator like any other. My god, I bet none of you fuckers know about the SNES 4:3 and 8:7 graphics war that still continues on to this day or the fact that Euros had to put up with 50 khz F-Zero.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 13:54:18 2018 No.5106258 >>5106234 Analogue doesn't make the controllers, they just direct you to a wireless, port-compatible clone of the controller.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 13:56:13 2018 No.5106259 File: 72 KB, 1200x866, Dpo2RtLU4AAK2lq[1].jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5106165 desu i'm more excited for the adapters since they look a lot better than what's out there

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 13:56:22 2018 No.5106261 >>5106165 Disappointed because I was hoping their next clone console was a PC engine machine, but this is fine too.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 13:58:56 2018 No.5106267 >$189 MSRP ???

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 14:01:07 2018 No.5106270 >>5106253 >50KHz Dat 50,000fps buttery smooth feel

Anonymous Tue Oct 16 14:02:17 2018 No.5106272

>>5106261
Kevtris dances around the topic on the AtariAge forums, he never explicitly addresses anything-PC engine related when he quotes people who mention it, so he might have an NDA on that topic. I think it's the logical end-game here because I can't see Analogue being all that willing to tackle an FPGA system for N64 or Playstation, especially with the classic consoles for them coming out soon.

>>5106270
fugg

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 14:04:29 2018 No.5106279 >>5106261 One of the developers hinted at both the Turbographix and Neo Geo in a recent stream as being fun projects to tackle.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 14:06:21 2018 No.5106283 >>5106279 >Neo Geo As much as I'd love that, I can't really see that being economical for anything outside an SD card. Those cartridges are ludicrously expensive.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 14:13:17 2018 No.5106301 Why this doesnt have 32X build in?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 14:19:10 2018 No.5106312 >>5106172 It came out in 1989, long before Super NES did. Sonic 1 did even release until 3 years into the system's lifespan.

Anonymous Tue Oct 16 14:26:20 2018 No.5106323

>>5106312
The PC Engine was release in '87, long before the 16bit wars even started. That was the true pioneer of 16bit as well as the underdog of that generation.
It's just that you can't mention the turbografx to a wide audience because no one outside of 40 year old gamers and retro enthusiast have even heard of it

Anonymous Tue Oct 16 14:28:34 2018 No.5106326

>>5106272

In at least one interview Kevtris said N64 would be too complex for an FPGA he could make. He did say Playstation 1 was possible, but I don't see it happening unless Kevtis makes his own BIOS image or they somehow manage to get a license from Sony for their BIOS.

Anonymous Tue Oct 16 14:36:19 2018 No.5106339

Neat. I'll be getting the white one.

I don't see Analogue making any more console specific releases like this since none were as popular. Maybe Kevtris will get his wish for his Zimba 3000 next which will cover all the less popular systems the NT Mini, Super NT, and Mega SG don't handle. Like the PC Engine/Turbografx.

Anonymous Tue Oct 16 14:46:59 2018 No.5106352

I’m very excited for this as Analogue have a proven track record for high quality. Unfortunately I won’t be able to preorder until next week. The cartridge adapters are a clever touch and I’m arguably more interested in the Game Gear adapter more than the base console. Revisiting GG games is nothing short of frustrating these days

I’m honestly impressed that they went far enough to include support for Sega/Mega CD port. They even put an analog headphone jack on the front because, according to the CEO, “that’s Sega as fuck”

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 14:48:46 2018 No.5106353 I already have a model 1 genesis with the high definition graphics logo modded for s-video with a Mega Everdrive x7. I am good thanks

Anonymous Tue Oct 16 14:50:53 2018 No.5106357
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>>5106165
>underdog
>2rd system
>better specs than current -one- successful home system at the time
>was the top selling system for 5 years straight
>was killing NES in the US till 94
>underdog

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 14:51:47 2018 No.5106360 >>5106357 yet forgotten now

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 14:54:40 2018 No.5106361 why is it so much uglier than the other analogue consoles they ARE capable of good design work

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 14:56:17 2018 No.5106364 Is Super NT jailbroken to the point that I can put my full ROM set on it or would I still need to get an everdrive/sd2snes cart?

Anonymous Tue Oct 16 14:56:33 2018 No.5106365

>>5106361
specifically it feels like they scaled down the model 1 genesis to a rounded rectangle without taking into account how the shape of the original console defined its design. its really sloppy unlike the super nt which was a great redo of the super nintendo

also it would be cool if you could customize the shell to be a model 1,2 or 3. at least 1 and 2

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 15:00:00 2018 No.5106373 >>5106357 >>better specs than current -one- successful home system at the time And yet still shittier graphics and sound with the majority of ports.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 15:00:36 2018 No.5106375 >>5106361 It does look like a slice of cake with that flattened top. Definitely thee weakest design from Analogue. Probably because they aren't as interested in the console as the NES and SNES.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 15:00:50 2018 No.5106376 >>5106373 He's talking about NES, not SNES.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 15:02:12 2018 No.5106379 >>5106375 sadly most of the retro boomers with wide pockets are nintendo fags

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 15:07:33 2018 No.5106385 >>5106364 You can play roms with jailbreak firmware but not the ones with special chips.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 15:11:12 2018 No.5106389 >>5106191 uhhh my real Sega Genesis???

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 15:21:06 2018 No.5106412 >>5106301 Too complicated

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 15:23:53 2018 No.5106424 >>5106165 >Mega Sg plugs directly into your original Sega CD & Mega CD with it's edge connector, hidden behind an expansion door. Just like the original. But now in stunning, lag free 1080p.1 actually pretty cool.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 15:27:50 2018 No.5106430 You can tell how cheap that plastic is just from the picture. Those are each going to weigh an ounce.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 15:28:53 2018 No.5106436 >>5106430 It's a CG render, how the fuck can you tell what kind of material it's made out of?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 15:29:47 2018 No.5106437 Why would I need that? I already have my kgen running off a raspberry hooked up to an svga monitor and a mechanical keyboard. Nothing this gimmick box does can impress me.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 15:31:07 2018 No.5106438 Honestly might just get this because it's so pretty.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 15:31:13 2018 No.5106439 is this better than a raspberry pi? I want to play sega games with my friends on the internet

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 15:35:57 2018 No.5106447 >>5106364 >>5106385 So most of the games that matter you cannot play on it like that. An emulator is still a better deal.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 15:44:55 2018 No.5106462 >>5106430 The Super NT they made last year is surprisingly heavy for its size and feels pretty high quality.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 15:46:31 2018 No.5106465 >>5106437 >playing Genesis games on a keyboard getaloadofthisguy.jpg

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 15:48:52 2018 No.5106470 >>5106447 I just want a reliable way to play the entire SNES catalog at proper resolution on my CRT. The SNES9x port on Wii doesn't cut it. I was hoping for a cheaper alternative than an SD2SNES + SuperNT/Real hardware.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 15:49:56 2018 No.5106472 I DON'T HAVE THE SPACE OR HDMI PORTS FOR ALL THESE CONSOLES

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 15:52:22 2018 No.5106476 >>5106323 PC Engine was 8-bit disguised as 16-bit

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 15:53:15 2018 No.5106479 >>5106165 I bet the sound will be just good enough to satisfy normies, but it won't actually sound like a real YM2612.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 15:53:46 2018 No.5106481 >>5106476 The bit thing is fucking stupid.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 15:55:33 2018 No.5106484 >>5106481 Agreed (from a marketing/fun-having standpoint), but PC Engine was still an 8-bit console.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 15:55:36 2018 No.5106485 >>5106323 >NEC anything >underdog Bitch you don't know history.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 15:55:55 2018 No.5106486 >>5106479 They have audio samples in the articles for the thing if you want to go treat your patrician ears or whatever the fuck.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 16:00:57 2018 No.5106495 >>5106485 you're speaking English man. Japanese sales are irrellephant.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 16:09:23 2018 No.5106513 >310.64 CAD with shipping Holy cow, no. Suck my dick.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 16:13:13 2018 No.5106524 >>5106513 These sorts of consoles really only cater to the rich crowd with "fuck you" levels of money. For everyone else, the original console is the way to go.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 16:16:00 2018 No.5106529 File: 21 KB, 400x400, 768454651423.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5106524 >$189 USD is "fuck you" rich Oh, sweetie...

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 16:19:47 2018 No.5106535 File: 114 KB, 860x450, 4378763727.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5106472 Make an array with multiple of these bad boys connected together.

Anonymous Tue Oct 16 16:21:17 2018 No.5106537

>>5106529
Yes, for a retro console when you can buy the original for $20, $190+shipping is ridiculous. Normal people don't buy $90 steaks or $400 bottles of wine. Sure that amount isn't a lot on its own, but when an average steak costs $5, and a relatively nice bottle of win is $30, it is a lot.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 16:24:35 2018 No.5106542 Their claim that it will be the best sounding Genesis ever is interesting. Other than that I'm pretty happy with my OSSC and Model 1.

Anonymous Tue Oct 16 16:27:36 2018 No.5106549

>>5106535
I DON'T HAVE THE SPACE FOR A SWITCHER

I really just don't like clutter. I have a PS4 Pro, Xbone, Wii U and PS3 slim on my flatscreen, and a Saturn and DC on my CRT.

I like the idea of having one of these set up somewhere, sitting on a Sega CD, but it doesn't fit my current setup which is structured with a future Switch purchase in mind.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 16:30:01 2018 No.5106552 >>5106537 original is analog vomit so no

Anonymous Tue Oct 16 16:30:55 2018 No.5106556

>>5106537
When you are talking about electronics, normal people spend much more than $190 on speakers, amplifiers, and televisions. In comparison there are brand new record players being made today that cost hundreds of dollars when there's also used record players you can buy at the thrift store for $20.
You aren't playing $190 for a device that place Genesis cartridges. You can just get one of those Retcon or other budget emulator boxes for much cheaper. You are paying $190 for a premium hardware reproduction and upscaler + the convenience of it being HDMI.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 16:31:28 2018 No.5106558 >>5106486 Care to state which of your PR puff pieces have these cherry-picked audio samples?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 16:34:20 2018 No.5106563 >>5106558 All of them, that I've found. PS are you so fucking lazy you can't investigate anything to even inform your resentment?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 16:37:02 2018 No.5106570 >>5106563 I checked several. I'm not going to waste any more time hunting trying to hunt them down. At the end of thes day only idiots are going to buy this thing anyway.

Anonymous Tue Oct 16 16:41:37 2018 No.5106581

>>5106556
>You aren't playing $190 for a device that place Genesis cartridges
Yes you are. You're paying for an emulator that plays carts.

>You are paying $190 for a premium hardware reproduction
Meaningless buzzwords. The only difference between this and an emulator is that it plays carts, that's what you're paying for.

Anonymous Tue Oct 16 16:44:59 2018 No.5106587

>>5106556
>When you are talking about electronics, normal people spend much more than $190 on speakers, amplifiers, and televisions.
yes as in new brand and updated tech that is modern and not piggy backing off tech we have had for 30 years. Also most normal people don't have speakers, amplifiers for their TVS anymore, since 2014 they have been on a steam decline in sales and even TVs are crashing in price as the tech loses steam.

That's what makes this such a bullshit scam aimed at idiots that think $$$ = quality. You are paying well over $130 more than what it should cost, nothing about the tech it's doing demands what they are asking, they are just hopping the retro market is as dumb with new hardware as they are buying old hardware and games. Hell the fact they are selling it as a remake of the "underdog" tells me exactly the kind of retards they are hopping to sucker.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 16:45:31 2018 No.5106589 >>5106558 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_TC20cBZLA Here's an audio test on the developer's own youtube channel.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 16:46:46 2018 No.5106590 >>5106556 You are paying $190 for a premium hardware reproduction and upscaler + the convenience of it being HDMI It's an emulator that has a $10 cart and board and a (at most) $30 HDMI hook up and $5 power source.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 16:49:35 2018 No.5106597 >HDMI disgusting

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 17:43:19 2018 No.5106698 >>5106587 It's only 25 bucks more than a Mega ED, and it's gonna get hacked. Even if I found an early model 1 Genesis or one of the better model 2s, what are the chances I could accomplish that for $25?

Anonymous Tue Oct 16 18:00:22 2018 No.5106743
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The Genesis/Mega Drive has REALLY GOOD RGB out. There isn't much need for this. I mean, to each their own. I guess the same could be said for the Super NT, but that doesn't stop me from daydreaming about owning one every day.

I will definitely be buying the wireless controller for my Genesis, though. 8bitdo's wireless SNES controllers are bangin'.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 18:12:52 2018 No.5106763 File: 378 KB, 960x720, Mega Drive RGB jailbars.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5106743 >The Genesis/Mega Drive has REALLY GOOD RGB out. Tell me more.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 18:17:41 2018 No.5106772 >>5106246 >They even include the yamaha sound chips They "include" them on the FPGA, that doesn't count.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 18:29:27 2018 No.5106793 File: 2.45 MB, 458x334, NotMadJustDisappointed.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5106763 ... Damn, I forgot about those. Now I feel foolish.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 18:30:34 2018 No.5106794 Is Kevtris involved? Because that's the only thing that matters here. If he is, I'll probably get it. My Master System is the shitty Model 2, and the controller isn't getting any less of a nightmare.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 18:34:19 2018 No.5106804 >>5106556 Jesus could you at least try not to sound like an out-and-out marketer? You're not even bothering to mix up the talking points you've been handed

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 18:35:26 2018 No.5106805 File: 7 KB, 285x287, jesse devilish.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5106763 >tfw horrible rainbow banding on composite but absolutely no jailbars on RGB on my model 1 HD graphics genny

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 18:36:28 2018 No.5106806 >>5106794 Kevtris made the console, just like Analogue's previous releases.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 18:42:29 2018 No.5106815 File: 45 KB, 244x244, 1537458728821.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5106806 Noice. If that autist can single handedly give Higan a run for it's money, it'd be interesting to see what he does with the much simpler SEGA consoles.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 18:45:35 2018 No.5106821 >>5106165 Just download genesis plus gx you fools.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 18:49:25 2018 No.5106829 >>5106821 You misspelled BlastEm.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 19:01:50 2018 No.5106852 >>5106794 Dismantle your controller and dunk the plastic in some dental tab water, my friendo.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 19:02:57 2018 No.5106854 >>5106821 Did you mean to write Kega Fusion?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 19:05:31 2018 No.5106864 you can get something similar using a DE10 nano and some other parts https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igiVHfBzX8w

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 19:05:37 2018 No.5106865 >>5106852 I have no idea what 'dental tab water' is, but I'll give it a go anyway kind anon.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 19:10:38 2018 No.5106879 >you'll never be as autistic as Kevtris It's a complex feel.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 19:11:22 2018 No.5106881 >>5106854 Kega's good but it's not open-source and no longer maintained. It's got some problems with windows 10 too, which wont be fixed.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 19:30:48 2018 No.5106917 >>5106865 I mean, dental tabs in water. The kind for dentures. They're great for cleaning grody electronics housings. Just drop one or two in enough water to submerge the parts and leave them over night.

>>	babbage's gramps !RATGzMALLY Tue Oct 16 19:38:56 2018 No.5106932 >>5106259 Yes please!

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 19:39:38 2018 No.5106934 >>5106864 >DE10-nano >$130 I'm not shitting on you or anything, but all these competitors/alternatives are really putting the Mega Sg.'s price into perspective.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 19:41:56 2018 No.5106936 File: 128 KB, 500x375, genesis jailbars.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5106743 Nah. Mega Drive/Genesis has really bad jailbars if you're looking at it on a digital display. They're hidden a bit on CRTs.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 19:52:45 2018 No.5106959 >>5106917 Oh, denture cleansing tabs. Never seen them called dental tabs before. Never thought of using them before either, makes sense considering they're made up of baking soda and a bit of thin bleach.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 20:00:20 2018 No.5106971 >>5106698 >what are the chances I could accomplish that for $25? pretty high

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 20:09:26 2018 No.5106992 I've been extremely happy with my Super NT and the build quality is fantastic, so I'll be picking this up too.

Anonymous Tue Oct 16 20:21:43 2018 No.5107017

>>5106524
The original console for most people except for enthusiasts is simply not feasible. There's a fair amount of people who don't have the space for a CRT and are either not willing to tear apart an old console to mod it or buy an upscaler. If you are one of those people:

>CRT is the cheapest and most authentic but again space plus weight
>Modding an old system can be risky, time consuming and/or expensive if you get someone else to do it or buy an already modded system
>The cheapest upscalers are shit, the better ones (RetroTink, OSSC, Framemeister) are all fairly expensive

There's also the cost of carts too unless you go the flashcart route but those are fairly pricey too. So the value proposition of something like the Super NT or the Mega SG is actually quite good when you start to calculate all the other costs together.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 20:27:54 2018 No.5107026 >>5106971 Comes with free jailbars, and it still can't output HDMI.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 20:29:35 2018 No.5107029 >>5107017 Forget it. All these points have been repeated already. The naysayers are just children who don't know how to budget all costs together before drawing a conclusion.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 20:29:50 2018 No.5107032 >>5107017 >Not going full hipster with a mini CRT that takes zero space

Anonymous Tue Oct 16 20:29:51 2018 No.5107034

>>5107017
Not really. The Super NT and Mega SG are each the same price as an OSSC individually, and you still need a flashcart for a lot of SNES games anyway (maybe the Mega SG's situation will be better, but no one knows yet). Besides, what if you want to play some PS1 games? Or Saturn? You're better off just going with the OSSC.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 20:30:09 2018 No.5107035 >>5107017 I’m lost at that logic becuase a good upscaler and original hardware isn’t anywhere close to the cost of this thing.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 20:32:02 2018 No.5107040 >>5107017 The value proposition is shit when you compare it to an emulator, which does everything the Mega SG can do and more. For free.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 20:34:37 2018 No.5107046 >>5106165 >Thoughts? overpriced emulation box.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 20:37:04 2018 No.5107052 >>5106259 is that a game gear adapter?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 20:38:35 2018 No.5107056 >>5106447 There are fewer than 100 games total that use any enhancement chip on SNES

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 20:40:29 2018 No.5107061 File: 967 KB, 245x180, 1530112259993.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5106513 >CAD

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 20:40:37 2018 No.5107062 >>5106182 >or be an absolute normalfag and install retroarch on your computer

Anonymous Tue Oct 16 20:40:46 2018 No.5107063

>>5107035
I paid around $110 for my RetroTink 2x and if I were to buy a SNES flashcart it would run me up another $80-100, more if I wanted to shell out for a SD2SNES. That alone would match the price of the Super NT.

Granted the flashcart could play games with enhancement chips so that value would depend on your collection.

>>5107034
I think bringing up 'what if you wanted to play PS1 games???' is a remarkably silly argument when we're talking about specifically the Genesis and the costs to play solely on that system. If we were to take your argument to it's full conclusion then those shitty 5-in-1 boxes would be a better value.

>>5107040
I mean the same can be said of all systems. Why buy a PS1 which has moving parts prone to wear-and-tear when you can just emulate it? Everything's going to be shit compared to an emulator.

Anonymous Tue Oct 16 20:44:35 2018 No.5107072

>>5106581
>>5106590

This is not an emulator. Describe how an FPGA works and how it is programmed to function and how that compares to creating a software emulator that tries to achieve the same thing.

You can implement a DAC using a FPGA, does that "emulate" an integrated chip DAC or is it just a DAC?

Anonymous Tue Oct 16 20:46:47 2018 No.5107079

>>5107063
Well no shit, if you only want to play Genesis games and nothing else ever, then buying an OSSC just for that doesn't make sense. But as soon as you want to play even just two different retro consoles, the value of Analogue's boxes completely evaporates.
>If we were to take your argument to it's full conclusion then those shitty 5-in-1 boxes would be a better value.
And using free PC emulators is an even better value. I don't know what point you're trying to make here.

Anonymous Tue Oct 16 20:47:48 2018 No.5107082

>>5107052
Sure is
>>5106581
Fuck off byuu
>>5106261
I will personally hold out for a PC Engine clone to accompany my AVS. I'd wonder if they would include CD functionality somehow, or if they would do it the way they did with the Sega and make the actual CD-ROM2 drives compatible. CD games are such a huge percentage of the library on the PCE.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 20:49:06 2018 No.5107084 >>5107079 >And using free PC emulators is an even better value. I don't know what point you're trying to make here. Got it, you're retarded and can't comprehend arguments.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 20:53:39 2018 No.5107090 >>5107084 No we get the point fine, you start playing with the arguments you bring and the smartest answer is just emulate.

Anonymous Tue Oct 16 20:54:34 2018 No.5107091

>>5107063
>Everything's going to be shit compared to an emulator
Not really. But people are coming up with all these stupid reasons to justify the cost of this thing. "It's an OSSC, It's a Flashcart, It's everything rolled into one!" It's none of those things.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 20:57:21 2018 No.5107093 >>5107090 there's nothing smart about being the lowest common denominator.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 20:58:23 2018 No.5107095 >>5107093 That’s physical collectors bro

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 20:59:28 2018 No.5107098 >>5107095 it's most definitely retroarch shills

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 21:00:34 2018 No.5107101 >>5107090 What if I want to play N64 games then, fucko?

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 21:01:36 2018 No.5107102 File: 61 KB, 640x480, n64emulation.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5107101 you emulate of course my intelligent friend! come join all the other smart gamers at /r/emulation!

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 21:03:26 2018 No.5107106 >>5106213 It looks like a Zeebo how can you like this

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 21:07:50 2018 No.5107110 >>5106485 It got scronched the second the SFC came out and only limped on with the CD add-on as an anime titty machine.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 21:08:43 2018 No.5107114 >>5107110 you say that like it's a bad thing. It does have the best version of Shin Megami Tensei

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 21:13:12 2018 No.5107121 >>5107110 That doesn't make it an "underdog" though. NEC was a gigantic corporation, much bigger than either Nintendo or Sega.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 21:16:44 2018 No.5107124 >>5107121 Fair, I wasn't disagreeing with you, just standing up for anime tiddies and Megaten.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 21:32:02 2018 No.5107147 >>5106249 Gramps, you forgot your trip.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 21:59:06 2018 No.5107184 >>5106174 This. I'll consider it, because I love my Super NT.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 22:06:46 2018 No.5107194 File: 97 KB, 637x714, 1500173773327.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >Compatible with Sega CD Alright, I want to see this.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 22:07:46 2018 No.5107196 >>5107072 Came to discuss this. AFAIK and FPGA is a configurable circuit, so regardless of how faithful this FPGA recreation is to the original hardware, in theory you can make exactly identical hardware, and there is no 'emulator' software running.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 22:24:50 2018 No.5107214 >>5107196 "Emulator" doesn't imply software. This is a hardware emulator.

Anonymous Tue Oct 16 22:31:32 2018 No.5107217

>>5107196
You're right that a FPGA is a configurable circuit though generally it is described as a set programmable logic blocks. In this case it is programmed to replicate the SNES electrically. It is programmed using an HDL that describes how electricity should flow through it using various gates, flip-flops, etc. I would consider this to be hardware replication and not software emulation.

>in theory you can make exactly identical hardware
Could you clarify what you meant by this?

>>5107214
>"Emulator" doesn't imply software. This is a hardware emulator.
Saying "emulator" by itself does imply software because of how common that paradigm is. The same is true when you say "open source" with no context, people will assume you're talking software unless otherwise stated.

Anonymous Tue Oct 16 22:38:42 2018 No.5107228

>>5107217
>Saying "emulator" by itself does imply software because of how common that paradigm is.
No it doesn't. Venture outside the bubble of this hobby and you'll find that "emulator" is very commonly used to refer to physical devices. It's simply a thing that behaves like another thing while not actually being that thing. It's only retro video game nerds that gets worked up about that word for some reason.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 22:41:50 2018 No.5107234 >>5106165 The console looks nice and it seems promising. The controller also looks great but too bad they don't aren't selling any wired controllers.

Anonymous Tue Oct 16 22:42:46 2018 No.5107235

>>5107217
>Could you clarify what you meant by this?
I simply meant it should be possible for an FPGA maker to faithfully recreate all instruction processing of the original hardware.

>>5107214
>>5107217
I wouldn't even call a well-made FPGA a low-level hardware emulator since its not having to translate the original instructions into anything - they are being executed directly. My understanding is that a hardware emulator would still have to be multi-layered.

To look at it another way, AMD reverse engineered intel x86 chips and produced their own x86-compatible chips. They provide the same instructions, registers, etc and run the same software. Are they "emulating" intel's x86 just because they aren't the exactly original hardware designed for running x86 code? Most people would say no, that's not emulation. "Emulating x86" generally refers to eg running x86 instructions on an ARM cpu by translating (or emulating) the x86 instruction set.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 22:43:53 2018 No.5107237 >>5107217 >I would consider this to be hardware replication It's not a replica. You can theoretically make one, but Analogue is not going to.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 22:48:14 2018 No.5107242 >>5107017 I may be in the minority here, but I really don't think an NES hooked up directly to an HDTV looks THAT bad. It's certainly playable. You don't NEED an upscaler or a modded system. It's a ploy to sell more bullshit that no one actually needs.

Anonymous Tue Oct 16 23:25:34 2018 No.5107295

>>5107214
>"Emulator" doesn't imply software.
It's pretty well-understood shorthand for "software emulator" in the context of video games.
>>5107228
>It's only retro video game nerds
"emulator" as a shorthand for "software-based emulator" is used in other contexts as well, for example microprocessor prototyping.

I assume the points you're trying to make are about the general concept of people trying to replicate things and the inevitable errors they'll make regardless of the method they use. The term "FPGA" has gained somewhat of a mystique and you'd like to remind people that it's not magic dust that makes things work better.
And that a sufficently powerful CPU running emulation software, combined with a direct-access video device (eliminating the framebugger lag of a traditional OS graphics system), could produce exactly the same output as these FPGA boses.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 23:31:03 2018 No.5107305 File: 339 KB, 703x528, 1528395716256.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5106185 Don't forget- >Controller sold separately >About 40 bucks shipping despite being based in the U.S.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 16 23:42:05 2018 No.5107323 >>5107295 >It's pretty well-understood shorthand for "software emulator" in the context of video games. Only because that's the narrative Analogue and its shills are trying to push.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 17 00:18:31 2018 No.5107376 >>5107323 That guy is correct and you are wrong. You are not informed, you're just dumb and you're causing confusion and clusterfucking because of your sperging nonsense when that is not what we mean by emulation.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 17 00:20:33 2018 No.5107379 >>5106357 >2rd system Why did you do this?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 17 00:25:21 2018 No.5107386 >>5106165 >>5106542 Will it truly sound this good? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ObJVuRTIIS4

Anonymous Wed Oct 17 00:43:21 2018 No.5107423

A PC emulating the hardware would yes be equal to a fpga, but you need some pretty beefy hardware. Doing it in a fpga is far more realistic.

People forget that the point of fpgas are to build ic's that are either too niche to be made into silicone (asic),to do the design and testing of something that will get turned to silicone or cases where it's extremely expensive to physically replace hardware (a boat in the artic for instance) when new features or bugs fixes arrive.

So yes it's emulation but we are splitting hairs. If games don't work that's just because buddy failed at implementing the hardware correctly.

Anonymous Wed Oct 17 01:48:45 2018 No.5107514

>>5106165
You can buy a DE-10 Nano FPGA dev board and run Genesis AND TG-16 roms for free off of it. But this thing can do game gear so thats neat. I wish the controller was bluetooth it looks more like a saturn controller than genesis controller to me.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 17 01:52:56 2018 No.5107526 >>5106165 This better be fake or at least have proper sound emulation

Anonymous Wed Oct 17 01:55:17 2018 No.5107530

>>5107295
This anon gets it.

>And that a sufficently powerful CPU running emulation software could produce exactly the same output as these FPGA
I'm not even sure if that's true since modern CPUs can't necessarily be accurate to the original hardware's clock(s), and can't guarantee predictable interrupts while running. If clockspeed is a little off it may be no big deal, but i can imagine multiple chips running at different speeds to each other, and old vidya software not running identically due to that asynchronicity.

Anonymous Wed Oct 17 02:02:17 2018 No.5107545

>>5106934
Well the ones Analog shits out are made to be system specific that try to get as close to hardware accuracy as possible and also come in a premade case, MiSTer is more closer to a pi box in functionality but with FPGA advantages than full on emulation.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 17 02:04:28 2018 No.5107548 >>5106549 >PS4 Pro, Xbone, Wii U, PS3 slim you are intending on keeping a small setup right?

Anonymous Wed Oct 17 02:06:39 2018 No.5107549
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>>5106805
Model 2 using the retrovision component cables on a panasonic video monitor, if it has jailbars on it I couldn't tell, but man when I tried composite it was fucking horrendous.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 17 02:07:47 2018 No.5107550 >>5106763 >JailBars are prominent lines across certain colors >Apparently even a jailbar "fix" or an RGB bypass mod can only reduce the JailBars but not get rid of them completely Can it be fixed /vr/?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 17 02:19:08 2018 No.5107560 >>5106934 To be fair to Analogue the DE-10 Nano is subsidized by intel/altera because its a development board. It definitely costs Analogue more to make their devices. Consider the DE 10 Nano buying eggs straight from the farm.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 17 02:47:33 2018 No.5107579 >>5106165 There's been a fuckload of these. Wake me when one of them comes with CD and 32X built in.

Anonymous Wed Oct 17 03:55:08 2018 No.5107637

>>5106165
>$190 base console
>+ $40 shipping to USA
>Controller sold separately
>CD unit sold separately
>No 32x support
>Unknown price for analog output adapter
>Adapters for Game Gear and Master System separate additional purchases
>all separate purchases with their hyper-inflated shipping prices
Worth getting excited for.

Anonymous Wed Oct 17 04:16:21 2018 No.5107654

I have no idea why they wouldn't put builtin cd/32x support. If you're selling a premium console replica then it better have all the functionality of the original. They said it would take more time but considering there was already a billion other ways to play this shit why would that matter?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 17 04:18:02 2018 No.5107658 >>5107305 >About 40 bucks shipping despite being based in the U.S. The shipping to me is $16, in the US. Maybe you should stop living in a shithole?

Anonymous Wed Oct 17 04:19:32 2018 No.5107659

>>5106165
at first sight it got me interested, but then I remembered all the important games have already been re-released in game collections for PC. So I don't really have any use for it, especially at this price, even if it gets a jailbreak firmware like the super NT.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 17 04:36:34 2018 No.5107669 File: 114 KB, 926x251, Capture.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] nice now all I need is a cd unit. Lets see what prices are like...SHIT

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 17 06:17:22 2018 No.5107742 >>5106220 >Playstation was an underdog Exactly

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 17 06:22:53 2018 No.5107748 >>5107548 It's a modest setup, I know.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 17 06:26:35 2018 No.5107752 >>5107669 I remember seeing CDs with Gennies attached all the time at value village almost a decade ago. I hate myself for not picking any of them up, because they were never more than 30 leafbux.

Anonymous Wed Oct 17 07:06:29 2018 No.5107792

>>5107654
This. At least with something like the Analogue Nintendo you get RGB support that wasnt there before, ability to play famicom games without an adapter, and so on. But the Genesis is already cheap as shit to buy and has good native RGB. The #1 way they couldve made this thing worth it is if they included 32x support at the very least

Anonymous Wed Oct 17 07:10:12 2018 No.5107798

>>5107669
I really wish sega cds werent so absurdly expensive. I'd like to play snatcher, sanic cd, various shmups, the enhanced versions of games like earthworm jim and ecco, etc. But for the hundreds they want for these things? No thanks.

Also of course the model1 is the one that breaks down the most and costs the least. Model 2 looks like a frankenconsole

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 17 07:17:58 2018 No.5107808 File: 135 KB, 550x446, 1475818450852.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >Comes out in April Well, shit. At least I can put in a preorder next month when I have more cash.

Anonymous Wed Oct 17 09:06:25 2018 No.5107895

>>5106191
>to run exactly like the original hardware?

That's marketing shit, not necessarily true.
FPGA is still emulation, hardware emulation based on existing hardware knowledge used for software emulation and surely some additional probing but still nothing a sofware emulator could not do in regard to accuracy.

It's just that FPGA emulation makes synchronization of emulated chips much easier than with software emulation, so cycle-accuracy is more easily achievable. Anotehr advantage is the lack of OS or software layers between hardware and emulation software, which tend to greatly reduce lag.

That said, it will never be EXACTLY like the original hardware because:
1) since it would require decapping all existing custom chips (and would anyway be impossible to clone in FPGA), it does not replicate EXACTLY the internal design of original hardware chips but treat them more like black boxes (input/output signals timings are replicated ) with inside internal behavior/design being guessed through retro-engineering (hardware probing and software testing)

2) it does not run at the exact frequency as the original hardware (a real genesis does not output exactly a 60hz video signal and can output audio rates way beyond than 48Khz)

I agree those are minor stuff that do not really matter though :-)

>bsolutely zero percent chance the Genesis mini will emulate more accurately than this machine
Again, until the system is out, you can not be sure about the accuracy differences.
People where gouging about Analogue SNES accuracy, yet there was sill compatibility issues found after the launch that needed to be fixed which did not existed in BSNES.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 17 09:10:12 2018 No.5107898 >>5106424 original system was already lag-free though

Anonymous Wed Oct 17 09:25:55 2018 No.5107915

>>5107217
> It is programmed using an HDL that describes how electricity should flow through it using various gates, flip-flops, etc. I would consider this to be hardware replication and not software emulation.

Except this is still considered emulation because exact original chips internal design is mostly unknown and unlikely made of the exact same gate layout than the FPGA you programmed. FPGA are programmed based on the analysis of the original chips behavior, which can lead to shortcuts, incorrect or missing interpretations, just like with software
emulation.

Software emulation does the same actually, it replicates gate logic, registers, latches, etc... using software. The difference is just that software is more flexible but has to be run on dedicated hardware (a CPU) and need additional software to interface with other hardware, while FPGA has the advantage of being able to emulate multiple chips in parallel and interfacing hardware directly.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 17 12:38:24 2018 No.5108103 >>5106373 Retard kid.

Anonymous Wed Oct 17 13:22:24 2018 No.5108158

>>5107792
They probably know that all the stupid ass "retro" game journalist that review this thing will give it a pass for not having 32x support because everyone knows it shit like that one AVGN video. But they will say it in a cutsey, fun way to make their readers laugh and hand over their money.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 17 13:30:05 2018 No.5108170 File: 65 KB, 640x480, 68453158643125864.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5106165 >their focus on the Super NT, and now this new release, means it's going to be at least another year until they restock/redesign+relaunch the NT Mini

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 17 13:32:22 2018 No.5108175 >>5108170 you could get an avs

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 17 13:57:44 2018 No.5108219 >>5108175 >AVS >almost half the price of the NT Mini >around 5% the functionality of the NT Mini >no possibility of custom jailbroken firmware for rom loading or alternate system cores Yeah, it’s an “option”, but a severely limited one.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 17 14:01:56 2018 No.5108226 >>5108219 But does anyone really care about playing fucking Colecovision games? The NES core is great, which is the important part.

Anonymous Wed Oct 17 14:11:48 2018 No.5108238
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So this is a stupid thought I just had. 99.9% chance I’m just an idiot talking out my ass.

In all these press releases they mention how the Mega SG is running off the same basic hardware as the Super NT. I mean this all makes sense, why not use the same chip that the developer is already familiar with to streamline development? If they both run on the exact same FPGA hardware, wouldn’t it be theoretically possible to flash the Super NT with the Mega SG firmware or vice versa?

Maybe, maybe not, just brainstorming here. Also I’m just now realizing that the acronym for the new system is MSG, lol. Surely they were aware of this during the planning phase weren’t they? Maybe a reference to how salty Sega fans have been at the current state of clone consoles

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 17 14:15:51 2018 No.5108243 >$40 shipping >package probably weighs less than 10lbs they're still doign this shit? how do they justify it?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 17 14:21:29 2018 No.5108259 How long will preorders last? I caould place an order around December...

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 17 14:22:42 2018 No.5108261 >>5108243 They must have a terrible logistics partner. Not surprising for small businesses that can’t compete with Amazon or eBay. ALTERNATELY: They’re overcompensating on insurance due to the expense of the unit and their lower profit margins

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 17 14:23:39 2018 No.5108263 My big question is how does it sound?

Anonymous Wed Oct 17 14:40:55 2018 No.5108302

>>5108259
If the Super NT was anything comparable, I believe preorders for that lasted almost until the release date. The only thing I think you run the risk of losing are specific color choices based on what sells the fastest. Even then, they’ll open preorders for the next wave of systems so it’s just a matter of how long you want to wait for it.

Is anybody else underwhelmed by the color choices this round? SNT had a good rounded selection of unique choices, but with this you just get to choose... the color of your reset button or PURE BLINDING WHITE. I know Genesis/Megadrive didn’t have as much international variation, but it’s a shame they couldn’t be a little more creative with designs based off the Master System or SG-1000 or Mark III. You know, honoring Sega’s History in the video game industry. Being a plastic shell it’s easily swappable and probably costs pennies compared to the system board. Maybe later down the road if this unit is a success and gets the promised cartridge adapters. I suppose it makes sense given that the Genesis is the only one of those consoles that had any kind of meaningful success/presence in the US.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 17 14:49:15 2018 No.5108315 File: 1.41 MB, 280x210, bobby bike.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5106165 >not designing it after the unreleased Neptune and including combination Genesis+32x capabilities one fucking job

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 17 14:58:58 2018 No.5108331 >>5107895 BSNES needed a lot of bug fixes too, it's just a part of any software or hardware release.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 17 15:01:35 2018 No.5108336 >>5108226 At least the Master System and GB/C core are worth a lot. The Atari 2600 one is also really noce to have. And you get really good RGB output with them

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 17 15:08:58 2018 No.5108354 >>5108331 The whole selling point of these things is that they're a "replica" of the hardware. Comparing them to a free emulator that initially had bugs is not a point in their favor.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 17 16:28:06 2018 No.5108479 >>5106513 CAD here, already pre-ordered. Sucks being poor huh?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 17 16:29:43 2018 No.5108481 >>5107637 Technically you could just buy a Mega Everdrive x7... to play above..

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 17 17:04:03 2018 No.5108524 >>5108302 the whole design is shit. Looks like they just put on some shitty decal over their generic case design. Gunna look awesome next to an old sega cd unit.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 17 17:20:45 2018 No.5108549 Is this going to be compatible with the Sega CD or 32x? I'd hope if it is it wouldn't even need the 32x to play the games.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 17 17:28:16 2018 No.5108569 >>5108549 CD, yes. 32x, no.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 17 17:33:32 2018 No.5108583 >>5108524 I wouldn’t describe it as “shit”, just underwhelming. It’s merely ok for what it is, but the variations are so minor it makes me wonder why they bothered

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 17 17:35:36 2018 No.5108586 >>5108583 very underwhelming, aka shit. The Analogue NT looks very aesthetic. This looks like a generic 10 dollar clone console.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 17 17:37:34 2018 No.5108589 >>5108315 yep. They could've called it the neptune and fanboys would've gone apeshit. Of course they went apeshit anyway so I guess why bother.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 17 17:38:57 2018 No.5108592 >>5108589 kevtriss fanboys or sega fanboys? I'm a sega fanboy and this looks like needless garbage to me.

Anonymous Wed Oct 17 17:43:33 2018 No.5108604

>>5108592
well apparently the kevtris dude is like the busiest person on the planet and never has time for anything but still does shit anyway. I have no idea why he can't tell them to fuck off and let him do it right the first time because what are they going to do, get someone else? Their entire business relies on his shit.

And yes plenty of people with full rgb/framemeister setups are getting this hence why there is not many complaining that sega cd isn't on the fpga because they all already have an original sega cd anyway.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 17 17:48:22 2018 No.5108613 >>5106165 >Mega SG I called it. >>/vr/thread/S5047095#p5047271

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 17 17:49:39 2018 No.5108617 >>5108604 If someone already has a full RGB/Framemeister setup than this thing is 100% redundant because it doesn't even fill the niche of old console hooked up via HDMI to modern TV.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 17 17:51:43 2018 No.5108619 File: 60 KB, 1782x251, Capture.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5108617 just go on resetera, there's plenty of them

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 17 17:52:51 2018 No.5108624 >>5108619 >resetera Think I've identified the problem

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 17 17:53:58 2018 No.5108626 >>5108624 are they not the target market?

Anonymous Wed Oct 17 17:58:48 2018 No.5108634

>>5108617
See >>5106763, it's not 100% redundant. Getting "perfect" RGB out of the Mega Drive can be difficult or impossible depending on the revision. This eliminates all of that headache by just giving you a flawless digital signal.

That said, I'm still not buying one because to me it defeats the point. If I'm not using original hardware, I might as well just use a free PC emulator.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 17 18:00:10 2018 No.5108639 >>5108634 >I might as well just use a free PC emulator. hope you don't mind missing out on those electrons

Anonymous Wed Oct 17 18:04:45 2018 No.5108647

>>5108634
From what I understand that's only certain revisions that have this issue and that it can be easily fixed by replacing the old capacitors or some shit. But regardless, I hold the same position as you. If you're going this far just fucking emulate. You effectively are anyway, just in the most expensive manner possible with an FPGA machine.

Anonymous Wed Oct 17 18:15:37 2018 No.5108658

>>5108647
Unfortunately, no, it's a PCB routing issue and it can't be easily fixed. Most model 1 revisions suffer from the problem to at least some degree. On some revisions the jailbars can be more or less eliminated by lifting a pin on the VDP, provided you don't care about composite video. On others, a full RGB amp bypass is required, which is fairly invasive and potentially requires cutting traces, etc. But on certain revisions even that isn't enough.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 17 18:17:38 2018 No.5108660 >>5108658 I have two VA6 model 1s and neither has the jailbar issues via RGB. Through composite, yes, but not RGB.

Anonymous Wed Oct 17 18:19:41 2018 No.5108662

>>5108617
I have an RGB/Framemeister setup, but I've still pre-ordered the MegaSg because mine is PAL and also the MkII version with shitty audio. Also there have been times when the Framemeister loses sync for a few seconds on some games, Streets of Rage at the start of each level as one example.

I already have a SuperNT and NTmini so I have no doubt that this will be a quality product, although it's inevitable that it will need a few bug fixes initially.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 17 18:21:58 2018 No.5108665 >>5108662 You could get a model 1 NTSC-U genny for dirt cheap, but to each his own.

Anonymous Wed Oct 17 18:28:03 2018 No.5108669

>>5108219
If you're serious about playing NES/FC games on a digital display, the AVS is the intelligent choice. If I wanted to play 8-bit consoles on an analog display, I'd hook up my 8-bit consoles to an analog display. Also, there's zero reason to believe that the NT will ever be restocked.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 17 18:29:11 2018 No.5108671 >>5108613 based

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 17 18:31:16 2018 No.5108676 >>5106537 I spent $240 on a SNES and a single game a year after it came out when I was fucking 11 from 3 months of newspaper delivery and birthday money, are you even serious right now?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 17 18:31:39 2018 No.5108678 Kevtris mentioned on the atariage forum that he's been doing 12 hours a day, 7 days a week for most of this year developing the Mega SG core, I sure hope Analogue are paying him what he deserves.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 17 18:35:35 2018 No.5108683 >>5108676 Yes, and? That was about 25 years ago. VCRs back in the 70s and 80s cost in the thousands of dollars, but today they're still curbside garbage. You're a fool if you're paying that much for a genesis.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 17 18:38:42 2018 No.5108689 >>5108678 at this point he's doing it to himself. He could easily tell analogue to fuck off.

Anonymous Wed Oct 17 18:41:12 2018 No.5108703

>>5108683

yeah which means it's 10x easier to get the money for that because I'm an adult with a better job.

It's $190 for a fucking video game system. You don't have to buy it, but please stop pretending it's absurd to spend a legitimate amount of money on a piece of technology manufactured this year. It makes you look like a NEET.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 17 18:42:37 2018 No.5108707 >>5108703 You have the mentality of a child.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 17 18:43:32 2018 No.5108708 >>5108703 >t. boomer

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 17 18:45:50 2018 No.5108712 >>5108707 absolutely seething

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 17 18:54:17 2018 No.5108730 >>5106476 This "disguise" was merely displaying a much more diverse color palette than fellow 8-bit machines that played game software. In fact if memory serves the PC-E could display more colors simultaneously than the SNES and Genesis combined.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 17 18:54:51 2018 No.5108735 >>5108665 Depends on where you live. Larger cities I find have the most competition, so everything is infalted/scare/or in terrible condition.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 17 18:56:08 2018 No.5108739 >>5108735 *scarce

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 17 19:04:03 2018 No.5108764 >>5108707 Last I checked child mentality meant getting mad at other people doing things, like spending money on goods.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 17 19:08:26 2018 No.5108778 >>5108302 Kinda surprised they didn't go with the color scheme of the white Saturn for the white one. The design for these are very unimaginative.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 17 19:12:12 2018 No.5108783 >>5108707 I mean, $190 is nothing for those of us that have a well-paying career. It's less than 1/10th of a paycheck for me and I get paid every two weeks.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 17 19:13:29 2018 No.5108785 >>5107102 >a game that nobody cares about doesn't emulate as well as the games that people actually play

Anonymous Wed Oct 17 19:17:09 2018 No.5108790

>>5108730
Maybe, depending on how crazy you go with palette swapping and color arithmetic. But it's still a bit limited due to the colors being 9-bit, compared to the Genesis' 12-bit colors and the SNES' 15-bit colors.

Where the PCE excelled was that its CPU, while 8-bit, was clocked very high, so in practice it outclasses the SNES in raw CPU performance and can even get close to the Genesis' 68k in some types of calculations. Unfortunately, its VDC lacks a lot of features that its competitors had, such as multiple background layers.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 18 00:40:23 2018 No.5109230 >>5107752 i had a model 2 sega CD from value village sold it for $110. paid like $10 originally. I still have the model 1 though and ive been clearing space.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 18 00:42:15 2018 No.5109235 >>5107895 It's close enough to the original hardware, or as close as realistically possible. hell even between SNES revisions there are issues with 1chips vs other models.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 18 00:42:19 2018 No.5109236 I might be interested in that controller, I was looking into a pc compatible Sega Saturn controller recently, not sure which of them if any are worth buying.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 18 00:43:31 2018 No.5109239 >>5108175 AVS design is ugly I want a toploader

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 18 00:44:56 2018 No.5109241 >>5108238 you probably could flash the firmware for the SG on the NT, but youd only be able to play roms after a jailbreak. nothing off a cartridge without an adapter to SNES

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 18 00:48:29 2018 No.5109245 >>5109236 wait and see if they do a bluetooth version. or the retro-bit saturn controllers.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 18 02:15:11 2018 No.5109342 Anyone who doesn't think Sega was an underdog has a massive gouge in heir brain. There's a reason only the most insane of gamers like Sega, and it's nothing to do with timeless video game quality.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 18 02:50:32 2018 No.5109383 >>5106214 >It’s an FPGA system that completely simulated the original hardware. Or you could spend far less for the original hardware.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 18 03:01:04 2018 No.5109392 >>5109383 >Or you could spend far less for the original hardware. You forgot to add: ...and have a really jerky picture on any modern TV.

Anonymous Thu Oct 18 03:39:18 2018 No.5109426

guess we know why the snt didn't get any cores. glad i didn't waste my money.

and fuck all the shills that were hinting that the nt cores were coming to the snt. I'm not buying several fucking plastic housings for the same chip at $240 a pop when all it takes is firmware to play every sub 32 bit console.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 18 04:14:13 2018 No.5109449 I already have a Sega Genesis that can output component quite nicely. I also have a Wii. What's the benefit?

Anonymous Thu Oct 18 04:18:26 2018 No.5109453

>>5106214
>It’s an FPGA system that completely simulated the original hardware

FPGA doesn't "completely simulate the original hardware". The implementation is based on the exact same information that emulators are implemented on and suffers from all the same flaws (often more because budget FPGAs have pretty severe limitations that require accuracy to be sacrificed). Even if they somehow got the complete schematics for all the chips in the original Mega Drive Spoiler: they didn't, they'd still be unable to recreate it faithfully on FPGA.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 18 04:31:23 2018 No.5109460 >kevtris and byuu anonymously arguing

Anonymous Thu Oct 18 04:38:19 2018 No.5109468

>>5108790
lords of thunder has a lot less slowdown than the sega cd version and many pc engine shooters have a lot more objects moving around than you would see on the genesis but it seems to have trouble with platform game physics so I doubt it could handle sonic

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 18 05:49:58 2018 No.5109561 >>5109392 >any modern TV. There's your problem. Get a CRT you mongoloid.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 18 06:40:57 2018 No.5109608 >>5109561 then this point becomes less viable: >Or you could spend far less for the original hardware. if you also have to pay for a decent CRT.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 18 06:42:20 2018 No.5109609 >>5109608 CRTs are incredibly cheap and free in many cases. Finding a "decent" one is easy. Don't blame others for your laziness.

Anonymous Thu Oct 18 06:48:24 2018 No.5109612

>>5109609
Time is money.
I could do productive work for like $20 hr for a single day and afford the pure price difference to just get the hardware that works with what i already have and have it deliverd to my doorstep or i could spend a few days scouting for a good offer on two other items and then also go pick it up from somewhere.
:thikning:

Anonymous Thu Oct 18 06:50:47 2018 No.5109615
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>>5109612
You are making excuses for your own laziness and acting as if original hardware and a CRT are difficult or time-consuming to find. Pathetic.

Before you ask, I will not do your work for you. You don't deserve it.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 18 07:08:37 2018 No.5109618 >>5109609 Not him but largely depends on where you live. I'm in the middle of literally nowhere, so my options are order from eBay, and good luck getting a decent CRT for non retarded prices on there.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 18 07:43:32 2018 No.5109641 >>5109615 Not asking you to do the work, but could you regale us with tales of your own deal-finding exploits?

Anonymous Thu Oct 18 09:29:22 2018 No.5109740

>>5109609
I'm surprised where in the world CRTs are still plentiful and cheap. 10 year ago when everyone was getting rid of theirs you could pick them up for free. Nowadays there arent that many around apart from very old people who havent been shopping in 20 years and retro game enthusiasts. Seriously, in my city there are 5 crts advertised on gumtree and 4 of them are >$50 and mention retro gaming in the add.
I can't even remember the last time i saw a CRT being thrown away at curb-side garbage pickup time of year, maybe a few years ago?

Anonymous Thu Oct 18 09:33:18 2018 No.5109742

>>5109615
t. neet

I wouldnt buy one of these machines, and i'm a through and through DIYer - i've rebuilt half my car rather than take it to a mechanic - but even i admit the time-cost of this lifestyle sometimes makes it a pursuit of love, not economics. Calling anon "lazy" for paying for a convenience and saving himself potentially hours of time chasing down second hand items is naive.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 18 09:40:57 2018 No.5109751 >>5106215 > at launch do any of you fucking fags know what you're all talking about?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 18 14:20:44 2018 No.5110070 File: 404 KB, 320x240, 1504807556865.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] The shipping was only $15. Not too bad, I suppose. Now I got next year's birthday present to myself all lined up.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 18 15:48:34 2018 No.5110236 >>5107637 >>5108481 >>5108170 Technically they could have made a cartridge adapter and release a Genesis core for the Super NT FPGA chip. But why not have people pay for each and every core individually at a premium price?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 18 16:13:18 2018 No.5110272 >>5107669 >>5107798 my cousin gave me his model 2 segacd but i had a modded genesis model 1 and it looks pretty ugly

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 18 17:15:44 2018 No.5110369 >>5107514 >But this thing can do game gear so thats neat. 95% of the reason I want this is game gear. Trying to play actual game gear carts is a fucking chore, especially if you want to do it on a TV.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 18 20:19:29 2018 No.5110617 >>5109460 kek

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 19 01:51:56 2018 No.5110980 File: 154 KB, 731x840, 1507850402839.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Does a Sega CD need to be modded to play burned or repro games?

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 19 02:11:35 2018 No.5110996 >>5110980 No

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 19 02:34:55 2018 No.5111015 File: 58 KB, 600x400, 1497238548020.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5110996 Nice. Thanks.

Anonymous Fri Oct 19 03:59:26 2018 No.5111065

>>5106357
it's true that Genesis was killing Nintendo for years at one point, but it is also absolutely true that Genesis was the underdog from the jump. you have to remember that prior to the runaway success of the Genesis post-Sonic, Nintendo absolutely DOMINATED the US market.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 19 04:00:50 2018 No.5111068 >>5106542 you're obviously completely unfamiliar with the myriad of audio issues across all models of Genesis

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 19 04:05:33 2018 No.5111074 >>5107121 NEC was an underdog in the console gaming space because Nintendo was utterly dominant, even in its home market.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 19 04:12:27 2018 No.5111085 File: 652 KB, 800x600, b1b.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Everytime I see these I just think a modded Wii would make more sense. You can even get some controller converters to get that authentic feel.

Anonymous Fri Oct 19 04:13:35 2018 No.5111089

>>5107550
yes, go to retrorgb or just google genesis triple bypass

>>5107654
needs a more powerful FPGA to recreate a SH2, let alone 2 of them. the SH2 is far more complex than a 68K and a Z80. use your brain. jesus.

if you mean supporting a real 32x? well, think about how the 32x works, then think about how the fuck you would implement that.

>>5107895
>>5109453
these are garbage nonsense arguments. the genesis isn't some complex technical marvel, built around esoteric chips that people aren't familiar with. it's made with off-the-shelf parts and two of the most common and completely documented microprocessors in modern history: the 68000 and Z80.

>>5108689
kev wants the money so he can produce the zimba

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 19 09:33:11 2018 No.5111353 >>5111089 so use a more powerful fpga? Not like people wouldn't pay, since 100% of the people buying this shit don't need one anyway.

Anonymous Fri Oct 19 10:23:40 2018 No.5111404

>>5111353
According to the article/interview on Polygon, 32x is a problem they’re interested in solving via the FPGA in the future, but they make no promises. To be fair, we have absolutely no clue how much free space is remaining in the FPGA for code/processing. There could be tons of overhead for a bunch of chips, waiting to be used, but they just need to take the time to reverse engineer the hardware. It’s admittedly a low-priority addon, with only around 40 games of questionable quality. Still I’m sure they would be happy to announce full compatibility a year down the road if they can manage it, quality of games regardless. Most tech companies wouldn’t waste time considering it, but Analogue are in a unique position with their “enthusiast” level of quality and lack of shareholders to bow to. It helps that the CEO is a big Sega fan.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 19 10:48:31 2018 No.5111425 >>5106165 coughMiSTercough

Anonymous Fri Oct 19 12:46:09 2018 No.5111565

>>5106279
>>5106283
Well kevtris has definitely taken a step forwards to a possible Neo Geo core as it uses the same Motorola 68000 CPU as the Genesis.

In related news, a Neo Geo core is already in the works by Furrtek and is progressing well, with most components 90-100% complete and the audio chip needing the most work:

https://www.patreon.com/posts/progress-october-22015121
https://github.com/neogeodev/NeoGeoFPGA-sim

the dude is a furry though

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 19 13:53:13 2018 No.5111653 >>5111565 Better a furry than a jew.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 19 17:21:14 2018 No.5111949 >>5111653 >better than a jew I don't know about that

Anonymous Fri Oct 19 17:24:21 2018 No.5111953

>>5111425
Call me when the minimig core lets me use a real floppy drive. It's been like 10 years and still nobody has bothered to make this feature available in any capacity for any of the computer cores, making all the actual copies of games useless with it.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 19 20:43:24 2018 No.5112242 >>5111065 This. Towards the late 80's, everyone thought NEC was going to be the big Nintendo competitor with the PC Engine/TurboGrafx. Nobody thought a small company like SEGA had any hope of seriously competing.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 20 04:06:08 2018 No.5112763 File: 19 KB, 592x397, 1518652302948.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >it's an FPGA therefore it's identical to the real hardware

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 20 04:08:37 2018 No.5112764 >>5111089 >the 68k and z80 are the only chips on the Mega Drive Your ignorance is showing. Big time. And it's not just the CPU and audio chip that have to be emulated, ALL hardware has to be emulated.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 20 04:35:38 2018 No.5112789 All of these replies yet what games will even be worth playing on this thing besides Sonic and lol SOR2? You never really hear the normies praise anything besides these games for the Mega Drive.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 20 06:03:55 2018 No.5112843 >>5111089 >it's made with off-the-shelf parts The VDP, which is probably the console's most important component, was not an off-the-shelf part.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 20 06:16:46 2018 No.5112851 >>5112789 Real normies don't even know what that is.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 20 06:49:07 2018 No.5112884 >>5112763 >JPG artifacts >Word balloon tail not transparent >Combination of sarcastic greentext with the NPC meme character makes it look like you hold the opinion the you meant to mock Look out, here comes the master race.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 20 07:32:50 2018 No.5112923 File: 794 KB, 1440x1952, pErSjlI.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5112789 >All of these replies yet what games will even be worth playing on this thing besides Sonic and lol SOR2? You tell me.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 20 08:15:30 2018 No.5112959 >>5112923 For real, did MD get many Japan-only obscurities like the SNES did? I would be into exploring that part of its history.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 20 08:22:05 2018 No.5112964 >you can just build your own >it will not save you money or look as nice or fit into a Sega CD, but you will waste a lot of time and learn something useless in the process boy what fun sign me up

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 20 08:22:19 2018 No.5112965 >>5106165 Yes it's ok I'd spend $25 on it

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 20 08:42:57 2018 No.5112992 >>5112789 Joe Montana Sports Talk Football

Anonymous Sat Oct 20 08:57:32 2018 No.5113005

>>5111089
>these are garbage nonsense arguments. the genesis isn't some complex technical marvel, built around esoteric chips that people aren't familiar with. it's made with off-the-shelf parts and two of the most common and completely documented microprocessors in modern history: the 68000 and Z80.

So you're saying that if you have a 68000 and a Z80, you have a Sega Genesis? That's all it takes? You aren't really that stupid, right?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 20 09:20:39 2018 No.5113029 >>5112959 There were lots. Pulseman and Langrisser 2 were probably the biggest ones that never left Japan.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 20 11:19:19 2018 No.5113185 >>5113005 >So you're saying No, no he wasn't saying that. Think before you type, please.

Anonymous Sat Oct 20 12:23:33 2018 No.5113296

>>5113185
Right, he said
>it's made with off-the-shelf parts
which is equally stupid and ignorant

For reference
http://gamesx.com/wiki/lib/exe/fetch.php?media=schematics:genesis_cpu_and_custom_chips.png
http://gamesx.com/wiki/lib/exe/fetch.php?media=schematics:genesis_sound_and_video.png

Good luck with 1:1 FPGA implementation of IC4, IC5, IC8 and IC11 chips ;-)

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 20 14:03:56 2018 No.5113532 >>5106172 It came out in 1988 and it barely sold at all, until Sonic came out in... 1991 I think. And even then it only sold in Europe and America, and only for two years or so until the SNES demolished it.

Anonymous Sat Oct 20 14:06:25 2018 No.5113537

>>5112843
>The VDP, which is probably the console's most important component, was not an off-the-shelf part.

It also has been reverse engineered to hell and has cycle accurate open source emulators for it (which is in fact so accurate, that any bugs are caused by the fact that the 68k emulation itself is not cycle accurate...).

Anonymous Sat Oct 20 14:09:54 2018 No.5113542

>>5113296
Russians and Chinese managed to clone them back in the late 90s. They are not technological black holes, they can be reverse engineered and cloned. In fact 1-chip solutions for the entire Megadrive exist (genesis 3 rev 2 used a single chip + ram + dac only), and those have been cloned to globtop chips as well (I had one of them).

OP product is probably just a shit emulation box though.

Anonymous Sat Oct 20 14:42:46 2018 No.5113610
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>>5106182
Or just slap a pi zero in this little beauty. You know the official one's going to have something horribly wrong and probably not have 4 usbs you can use in the front.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 20 16:50:50 2018 No.5113807 >>5113610 >>5094623

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 20 17:31:38 2018 No.5113893 >>5113542 They did not reverse engineered anything, lol, they had access to original ASICs molds which were leaked from HK/Taiwan factories were the first Mega Drives models were manufactured.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 20 17:58:41 2018 No.5113930 >>5113893 >ASICs use molds Right, you must be the brains of the operation. And Shotguns are guns the fire shot, right?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 20 18:05:05 2018 No.5113939 >>5107062 >Retroarch >normalfag Retroarch is the patrician way of playing old games.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 20 18:09:34 2018 No.5113948 File: 358 KB, 500x357, 1505497040493.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5113893 >ASICs molds You sure seem to know what you're talking about

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 20 22:07:11 2018 No.5114301 I wish they'd show some promotional image of it connected to a Sega or Mega CD. Even just a drawing. I just want an idea of how it'll look.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 20 22:10:26 2018 No.5114303 >>5114301 It's going to look goofy. That's why they aren't showing it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 20 22:14:51 2018 No.5114309 >>5106165 I think it's great for hipsters who want to pay silly money to play Genesis games on High Definition LCDs as the developers originally intended

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 20 22:16:16 2018 No.5114312 File: 3.03 MB, 320x224, GunstarHeroes-7F-SoldierForce.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5112789

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 20 22:16:39 2018 No.5114314 >>5114303 Even so.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 20 22:17:50 2018 No.5114316 >>5114303 Goofy or not, I'd like some proof that they're not just blowing smoke out their ass regarding Sega CD support. They haven't even shown a gameplay video.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 20 22:24:25 2018 No.5114327 >>5114312 This game really wasn't that good and now I am convinced that Treasure is in fact an overrated company.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 20 22:32:16 2018 No.5114341 >>5114327 I'm sorry I can't hear you over TRHOUGH FIRE JUSTICE IS SERVED

Anonymous Sat Oct 20 22:33:00 2018 No.5114343

>>5114316
It’ll work. The Sega CD is nothing special, it doesn’t offer any extra processing power or anything like that, it was merely a way of inserting FMV and CD quality audio into what would otherwise be normal Genesis games. It was hardly some kind of super advanced complex technology that the Mega SG would find hard to handle.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 20 22:40:04 2018 No.5114372 >>5114343 I like how your entire post is just wrong. https://segaretro.org/Sega_Mega-CD/Technical_specifications

Anonymous Sat Oct 20 23:03:27 2018 No.5114418

>>5114316
We'll probably get some material later. I don't doubt them when they say it'll be compatible, since their customer base would tear them apart otherwise. They have a reputation to uphold, and some people ordered it already planning to use their Sega CD with it. And besides that, kevtris.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 20 23:08:31 2018 No.5114436 >>5113939 there is literally nothing more reddit-tier / normalfag than using retroarch

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 20 23:09:25 2018 No.5114440 >>5114343 You're thinking of the PC Engine CD-ROM2, which was literally just redbook CD audio and dumb optical storage.

Anonymous Sun Oct 21 04:07:45 2018 No.5114770

>>5114343
1) Sega CD hardware is much more complicated than you think it is, see https://console5.com/wiki/Sega_CD_v1
CD board itself would probably be impossible to do in FPGA.

2) Analogue never said they implemented SegaCD in FPGA but that the expansion port signals used to interface with Sega CD where accurately reproduced so you can connect a real Sega CD to Analog SG and it will work (just like 32x add-on would probably work if they had implemented analog video output connector).

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 21 07:11:39 2018 No.5114901 >>5113537 >It also has been reverse engineered to hell and has cycle accurate open source emulators for it Huh that’s funny. Then how come the Overdrive 2 demoscene fucked every single emulator up?

Anonymous Sun Oct 21 08:13:15 2018 No.5114951
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>have genesis
>boot up game
>couple minutes in
>this happens
yeah, RIP.

Any ideas what the problem could be? It's still running, just with fucked up graphics

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 21 10:02:20 2018 No.5115054 >>5114440 Must be. Because all that extra ram, saves, audio etc was in the IFU of the CD-ROM2 System not the drive itself.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 21 21:47:42 2018 No.5116202 File: 42 KB, 454x515, smug squirrel.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >2000+18 >paying money for emulators

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 21 21:50:47 2018 No.5116209 File: 38 KB, 237x371, spong.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >326 posts >less than half that are different IPs hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.......

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 21 22:03:36 2018 No.5116242 File: 433 KB, 1600x1200, 1522122150281.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5116209 >people often post more than once in the same thread What a discovery, Anon.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 22 01:06:41 2018 No.5116532 >>5116242 It's almost like a conversation or something

Anonymous Mon Oct 22 01:10:37 2018 No.5116537

I'd like it more if it had a CD drive for Sega CD stuff instead of requiring a real Sega CD (unless Kevtris manages to not fuck up the jailbreak firmware's ROM loading like the SNES). Those fuckers are way too much to justify adding it on top of the $200 or so price tag of the Mega SG

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 22 01:43:10 2018 No.5116572 >>5116202 >>emulator try harder

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 22 08:05:13 2018 No.5116983 >>5116572 >b-b-but FPGA hardware-based emulation doesn't count!!! lmao, you're still paying 200 dollarydoos for a console that's still readily available for 20 bucks easily.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 22 08:15:18 2018 No.5116995 everyone gather round so we can all watch this fail miserably and fall into obscurity like everything else before it

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 22 08:51:43 2018 No.5117037 >>5106326 You don't actually need the BIOS for the PS1 if you emulate it at a high-level. I imagine if Kevtris was serious, he'd probably hire someone from the scene to do a clean-room implementation.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 22 09:19:11 2018 No.5117069 >>5116983 >20 bucks easily. >accessories not included >wrong motherboard revision >dinged to shit and muffled audio full of fuzz >probably a cracked case full of smoker dust >adding an everdrive puts the cost over the FPGA clone EASILY, he says.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 22 10:10:35 2018 No.5117158 >>5114901 Emulator authors are autistic, but they're not autistic enough to make sure that demoscene stuff actually works properly or even care about it.

Anonymous Mon Oct 22 14:48:30 2018 No.5117607

>>5117069
>20 bucks easily.
Yeah he's wrong about that.
>accessories not included
All are cheap, most consoles come with them.
>wrong motherboard revision
Not that important if you aren't autistic. Only one or two suck and they aren't common. Most will sound better than emulation.
>dinged to shit and muffled audio full of fuzz
>probably a cracked case full of smoker dust
Learn how to clean shit and don't buy without seeing the item first. If you can't do that, don't buy old stuff.
>adding an everdrive puts the cost over the FPGA clone
No it doesn't. It's still cheaper to buy original hardware and an everdrive. There are also cheaper options if you want to emulate.
I know this is bait but this board has gone so far downhill that a lot of you assholes actually think like this.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 22 15:13:52 2018 No.5117646 >>5114436 I don't think so since most people actually find difficult to use and setup Retroarch.

Anonymous Mon Oct 22 15:15:44 2018 No.5117649

>>5107196
>AFAIK and FPGA is a configurable circuit, so regardless of how faithful *this* FPGA recreation is to the original hardware, in theory you can make exactly identical hardware, and there is no 'emulator' software running.

Correct. Assuming the implementation is perfect, FPGAs can perfectly replicate digital components. They cannot perfectly replicate analog components, which is one reason the FPGA NES clones sound slightly different than the original.

This is a form of hardware emulation/cloning/whatever word you prefer. Software emulation can be equally accurate and in this case we already have extremely accurate emulators, so accuracy isn't the main benefit of an FPGA.

The biggest benefit of hardware emulation over software emulation is that there are fewer layers of abstraction (meaning the instructions don't have to get translated and bounced around to a bunch of different layers software before they're actually implemented by the hardware) which can mean lower latency. To get similarly low latency with software requires custom hardware and/or OS software, which is why the NES/SNES Classic has less latency than emulators running on a Raspberry Pi or most computers.

Anonymous Mon Oct 22 15:28:41 2018 No.5117668

>>5117649
I like how people keep mentioning how FPGA implementations of the NES sound different from THE original.
I don't know how many different NES/Famicom consoles you've used but even they can sound rather different in between CPU revisions. Maybe even date of production.
It's just like people who like to cry about how the NESRGB is fake because it's not what their composite colors look like, which once again can differ between CPU revisions and what TV you're using.

I can accept if something is just plain off but with NES there just doesn't seem to be one correct video and audio output.
Another example would be the Genesis composite output. I've got one where it looks like utter shit and one that has 'acceptable' composite, at least for a Genesis.

Anonymous Mon Oct 22 15:57:21 2018 No.5117718

>>5106326
Couldn't they do the same thing all the emulators do, and release their clone console without any true bios but allow an easy way for people to flash the bios themselves via usb stick? Thay way they're not technically including it and they just leave it up to the end user to """pirate""" the bios themselves.

Of course, I think a PS1 FPGA box is dumb and needless anyway because PS1s and PS2s work perfectly fine, but whatever.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 22 15:58:46 2018 No.5117720 >>5117069 >be literally retarded >completely unable to view pictures of the item for sale before making his purchase I'm truly sorry for your lots

Anonymous Mon Oct 22 16:01:43 2018 No.5117727

>>5117668
From what I understand, the model 1 geneses (besides VA7s) all have the superior sound due to the dedicated YM2612 chip, whereas VA7s and Model 2s have some shittier integrated sound circuit or something. But the VA7s and Model 2s also have better composite video encoding with a less muddy picture with no rainbow banding.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 22 17:56:16 2018 No.5117926 File: 72 KB, 654x614, wewlad.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5117646 6,000 normalfags say otherwise

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 22 18:12:08 2018 No.5117961 >>5117926 which, to be fair - is not a lot. True normalfag ways are "mini" consoles as well as this overpriced fpga garbage.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 22 18:13:54 2018 No.5117963 >>5106165 A Sega Genesis Model 1 costs 25 dollars, and a HD Retrovision Cable costs 70.

Anonymous Mon Oct 22 18:25:16 2018 No.5117981

>>5117963
HD Retrovision cables are $50, and are frequently sold out.

And if you want to use it on any modern HDTV you'll need a scaler unless you're one of the lucky few whose TV can accept a 240p input. Tack on another ~$100 or so if you get a decent one like the RetroTink 2x and you're getting pretty close to the Mega SG in price

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 22 18:28:43 2018 No.5117991 >>5117963 How much does a Framemeister or OSSC cost? How much does a Mega Everdrive cost (this thing will get jailbroken to load roms)? How much does a Game Gear that outputs in HD cost?

Anonymous Mon Oct 22 18:29:26 2018 No.5117994

>>5117961
I'm not a fan of analogue, but the AVS is one of the coolest Famicom related purchases I've ever made. I didn't dump my box of Famicoms off a bridge or anything, but it plays like a boss and the sound is more accurate than any emulator I've ever used.

Anonymous Mon Oct 22 18:38:04 2018 No.5118013

>>5117981
Playing oldschool games on an LCD is for fucking plebs anyway. Just emulate if that's your desire. Also all the equipment you'd use to transcode/upscale the signal are things that apply across multiple consoles and you'd only need to buy one of. If you get a retrotink you can use it for all your systems, but the HDMI-out of a kevtrisbox only applies to the kevtrisbox

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 22 18:43:23 2018 No.5118027 >>5117727 >geneses Hey, get a load of the Greek major.

Anonymous Mon Oct 22 18:52:41 2018 No.5118042

>>5118013
>Playing oldschool games on an LCD is for fucking plebs anyway.
OLED with a convincing enough shader however isn't. I mean granted it took about 20 years, but we're finally at a point where modern panels have as good colour accuracy as a crt. 4k is also much better at handling upscaled 240p signals than 720p and 1080p simply because the math adds up better.

A CRT will always be preferable, but the new stuff isn't a bad compromise.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 22 19:03:03 2018 No.5118053 >>5118042 I mean the math on 720p adds up well too, 1080p is the odd-ball.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 22 20:57:54 2018 No.5118234 >>5118053 720p looks terrible on a 1080p tv though, and native 720p tv's are ancient led/plasma garbage.

Anonymous Mon Oct 22 21:16:15 2018 No.5118279

>>5118234
Yeah, I really have no clue where they got 1080 from. 2.25x standard definition's vertical resolution? 1.5x 720p? It would've made so much more sense to have 960p be the half-assed HD and 1440p be full HD. Or just compromised with 960p entirely and doing that standard instead of this 720p/1080p split bullshit they were pulling up until recently.

Don't even get me started on "HD" vs "full HD"

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 22 22:32:00 2018 No.5118424 >>5118279 I think 1080(i) is a holdover from analog and long pre-dated digital displays. Someone who works in TV probably could learn us something.

Anonymous Tue Oct 23 00:18:42 2018 No.5118580

>>5110236
I already pre-ordered one, but this also bothered me. In a video for MLIG Kevtris talked about how there was so much extra room on the Super NT's FPGA, yet no additional cores have been released to run on it. I also remember seeing a video of him making adapters for the NT Mini for various other cartridges and I think he said they would be sold to the public, but that hasn't happened either. Analogue's products are amazing, but it seems like they're really holding out on us in the hopes of making more sales when they could just make one console that plays everything.

Anonymous Tue Oct 23 00:28:46 2018 No.5118607

>>5117069
Mega Everdrives cost ~25 dollars on aliexpress, retard. And "but muh cost of upscaling" isn't an argument because you're the one choosing to play on an LCD, and you buy an upscaler with the intention of using it for multiple systems, not just one. So you can get one OSSC and use it for all your old systems, or you can do separate individual HDMI mods and/or expensive FPGA autism clone boxes for a larger sum of money instead.

Either go with original hardware or just emulate. This middleman shit is retarded. About as dumb as buying a retron 5

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 23 00:51:57 2018 No.5118649 >>5118607 You're a retard

Anonymous Tue Oct 23 01:02:44 2018 No.5118662

>>5118279
>>5118424
There was an existing 1125-line interlaced analog broadcast standard used in Japan, which sort of became the basis for the worldwide digital HDTV standards when they were being defined in the early '90s. There was a desire for the new format to be 16:9 and have square pixels, and a number of pixels per line that is divisible by 16 (important for early digital video codecs). That resulted in the choice of 1920 pixels per line and 1080 visible lines out of a total of 1125. 720p came later and was derived from 1080i; it's a progressive format that fits within the exact same bandwidth (37 MHz).

I doubt much importance was placed on cleanly upscaling the old 525/625-line formats, partly because it would be impossible anyway due to their non-square sampling, and also because the TVs of the time were analog CRTs so they could simply switch scan rates for SD content.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 23 01:03:33 2018 No.5118664 >>5106165 None

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 23 09:29:24 2018 No.5119206 >>5118649 says the guy who wants to pay 200 for an emulator

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 23 11:18:41 2018 No.5119428 >>5117926 >libretro Libtards even have their own API Framework? Fuck! We are doomed!

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 23 11:54:34 2018 No.5119507 >>5119428 "lib" stands for "library", not "liberal".

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 23 18:53:44 2018 No.5120240 >>5118662 radical, I knew anon would come through. thanks dude.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 24 09:02:48 2018 No.5121318 >>5119206 >emulator Is this the official /vr/ buzzword now?

Anonymous Wed Oct 24 13:28:28 2018 No.5121764

>>5121318
There seems to be an issue with some faggots being unable to accept that people will pay a reasonable amount of money for a decent product.

It’s usually sour grapes from poorfags that can’t afford it, though they will deny it in the most billigerent fashion possible. Most people wouldn’t care how others choose to spend their money.

Anonymous Thu Oct 25 01:57:33 2018 No.5123063

>>5117668
That's all true but it doesn't really disagree with the other post. The point of that example is that an FPGA can't perfectly imitate analog components, including the sound chip on an NES and many other consoles. To handle these chips, it requires different kinds of approximation more in line with software emulation.
Luckily software emulation can be just as good as any FPGA implementation so that's not a big deal as long as it's done well.
People are hyper-critical of sound emulation because of the variants in the original consoles and the difficulty of emulating any of those variants perfectly. The added variables just make it harder.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 25 02:02:48 2018 No.5123068 >>5119507 you're really bad at detecting a joke

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 25 02:03:35 2018 No.5123069 >>5121318 Nothing wrong with emulators, but some people get really butthurt when you use the word to describe anything that isn't free. Not /vr/s fault that people are stupid.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 25 02:06:23 2018 No.5123075 >>5123068 The joke wasn't funny and sounded like something a retard would say, so he just assumed you were retarded so he though it would be a good idea to help. That last part is the only thing he was wrong about.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 25 03:16:59 2018 No.5123163 >>5113807 It's a usb hub retard.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 25 22:49:22 2018 No.5124682 >>5121764 Why can't people just be interested in a product?

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 25 23:12:20 2018 No.5124723 >>5121764 >>5124682 People are debating the merits of the product, if that offends you please close this tab and feel free to check out /r/consumer_safespace.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 25 23:35:04 2018 No.5124761 >>5121318 Nothing wrong with an emulator. Paying for an emulator machine is fucking dumb though.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 00:54:52 2018 No.5124905 >>5113532 >until the SNES demolished it. that never really happened

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 00:56:35 2018 No.5124909 I never really got the point of these things. An actual genesis is probably less expensive.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 08:31:45 2018 No.5125286 >>5124909 A lot less expensive and a lot less capable. Do you even read or are you idiots going to regurgitate the same ignorant replies?

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 09:00:49 2018 No.5125316 >>5125286 200 dollar emulator marketed to nigger-rich NEETs to spend their autismbux on frivolous unnecessary bullshit.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 09:20:08 2018 No.5125354 File: 141 KB, 1000x563, 9382749283309580359.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5125316 >Emulator You keep saying that like you know what that word means. Go shitposting on /v/, this is a board for adults.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 09:22:13 2018 No.5125358 >>5125354 200 dollar emulator

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 09:35:48 2018 No.5125384 Am I the only one who’s disappointed that they missed an opportunity to emblazon the system with the “HIGH DEFINITION GRAPHICS” slogan and have it actually be true this time?

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 09:39:50 2018 No.5125389 >>5125384 the real missed opportunity was to have an all-in-one genesis/32X machine so you can play those games without having an ugly tumor and life support wires sticking out of your precious genesis.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 09:42:29 2018 No.5125392 >>5125389 The board they're using likely isn't powerful enough for 32x.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 09:43:23 2018 No.5125395 >>5125389 Well according to the interview on Polygon, they might be investigating the feasibility of a future update for exactly that. Time will tell

Anonymous Fri Oct 26 12:36:49 2018 No.5125752

>>5125389
>>5125395
I wouldn't get your hopes up on the 32X, if it was feasible with the onboard FPGA they would have likely implemented it from the start. They say they're looking into it as a future update but unfortunately the reality is that the chances it'll fit on the FPGA are slim.

Of course it won't work with a real 32X due to the analog video output on the 32X unit, which obviously can't be integrated into the all-digital Mega SG video output.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 12:38:41 2018 No.5125757 >>5125389 more like missed opportunity to have any sort of decent 32x emulation

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 12:53:05 2018 No.5125774 >>5125752 >if it was feasible with the onboard FPGA they would have likely implemented it from the start. What makes you say that? Everything the company says about their process makes it sound extremely time consuming to write and test each core.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 13:10:25 2018 No.5125813 >master system had a 5% US market share >Genesis wasn't an underdog So this is the power of /vr/ autism

Anonymous Fri Oct 26 16:16:47 2018 No.5126160

>>5125354
It's an emulator. It's a very cool one and is worth the money if you want what it offers, but it's absolutely an emulator.
The only problem is idiots who think there's something wrong with emulation, or who think FPGA emulation doesn't count because they don't understand how it works.

Anonymous Fri Oct 26 16:25:52 2018 No.5126176

>>5125774
Kevtris had already finished most of the FPGA cores for the major 8-bit consoles long before Analogue hired him. He'd already started working on the 16-bit ones, too. He's been doing this in his spare time for over a decade and had planned on releasing one device that could play every retro system he cared about. He's been semi-famous in the community for ages thanks to his ambitious FPGA projects.
Analogue just bought his work, chopped it up into individual products, and paid him to finish the 16-bit consoles more quickly than he would have. Then they made pretty shells to house them.
He hasn't done any work on the 32X because he doesn't care about it (he's not a huge fan of anything past the early 90s) so he'd have a lot more work ahead of him than he did with the last several cores. It's more complex than the 16-bit systems and would require even more work, and the demand probably isn't there. Even in the interview where they talked about possibly doing 32X in the future, they said they didn't know if there was enough demand to justify the cost.
32X support would be great but I wouldn't count on it.

Anonymous Fri Oct 26 16:43:34 2018 No.5126223

>>5126176
only reason to buy their shit is to have some sort of future proof revision of the console. If you still need actual old hardware like the sega cd to access the whole library then it's pointless. 32x not on the fpga is somewhat understandable but no sega cd is laughable.

Anonymous Fri Oct 26 16:59:57 2018 No.5126273
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>>5112884
>JPG artifacts
>Word balloon tail not transparent
>Combination of sarcastic greentext with the NPC meme character makes it look like you hold the opinion the you meant to mock
Look out, here comes the master race.

Anonymous Fri Oct 26 18:16:01 2018 No.5126467

>>5126223
>only reason to buy their shit is to have some sort of future proof revision of the console.
The only reason to buy it is to get some of the benefits of high-quality emulation (save states, high-res digital output) with significantly lower latency than software emulation, less hassle than software emulation, and less cost/hassle than original hardware + an upscaler and/or mods.
You're paying a premium for high quality single-purpose hardware and ease-of-use.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 18:28:13 2018 No.5126491 >>5126176 32X support is fucked because it uses the Megadrive's analogue out video as it's input. It would be crazy to build one of these with an original Megadrive output cable just to plug in a 32x which has no good games

Anonymous Fri Oct 26 18:32:29 2018 No.5126497

Of course they don't emulate the Sega CD. They'd have to add a disc drive which would drive up costs and double the size of the console. They'd never support it without also supporting the original CDs.
Remember that this is Analogue. They market their stuff as luxury products for serious collectors who only use real carts and would never dream of using ROMs or clone consoles or emulation. That's why their SNES clone doesn't emulate enhancement chips (you have to use a real cart or appropriate flash cart that supports the chip - the system can't play the ROMs on their own) and why their consoles don't ship with ROM support at all. It's not what they're designed for.
Kevtris has leaked modified firmware for their consoles in the past that allows you to play ROMs off an SD card, but it's all hush-hush and unofficial because that concept doesn't play nice with their brand identity.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 18:35:08 2018 No.5126503 >>5126491 No shit. No one expected it to support the real 32X, they're saying they want it it to emulate the 32X and Sega CD internally so it can be an all-in-one system.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 18:35:45 2018 No.5126505 >>5126497 no most people are using flash carts. A collector especially would use one because then they can leave all their games on the shelf unopened. They could easily just support usb cdrom drives if necessary.

Anonymous Fri Oct 26 20:23:18 2018 No.5126736

>>5126160
This. It's not like calling it an emulator is a dirty word. And I definitely think it's worth the money, especially since I already ordered one. It will be well worth it if it performs as well as my Super NT. But we just need to call things what they are.

Anonymous Fri Oct 26 21:31:27 2018 No.5126903

>>5126491
It's not entirely terrible. It's still got Star Wars 32x, Virtua Racing Deluxe, After Burner Complete Edition, Space Harrier 32x, Mortal Kombat 2, NBA Tournament Edition, and so on. Even though it's just a handful of ports, they're all amazing arcade perfect versions.

Anonymous Fri Oct 26 21:37:19 2018 No.5126913

>>5126497
>only use real carts and would never dream of using ROMs or clone consoles or emulation
That's straight up untrue. They want the ability to use real carts, sure, but anyone wanting a Super NT knew a jailbreak was inevitable, or already had a flashcart. I've played so many romhacks and fantranslations on mine. Getting to play SMT If... on it is pretty damn cool

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 21:38:16 2018 No.5126914 when is analogue going to do a PC Engine clone

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 22:50:21 2018 No.5127014 >>5126914 >when is analogue going to do a PC Engine clone I'll bet that's next. Either that or a consolized GB/C/A unit. >Inb4 it requires a CD drive also

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 26 23:21:27 2018 No.5127069 >>5117926 6,000 people out of how many people that emulate?

Anonymous Sat Oct 27 00:16:09 2018 No.5127214

>>5127014
>>5126914
My money is on an FPGA Neo Geo. Sort of a pie in the sky idea but Analogue did technically cut their teeth on consolized Neo Geo MVSes. Plus Kevtris now should have a 100% functional Motorola 68k implementation now, which is part of the work complete for NG.

We'll see as time goes on. There might technically be more consumer support from the TG16/PCE over NG, but they're both pretty niche.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 27 05:59:19 2018 No.5127602 >>5127214 I sure hope he has 68k hdl by now because the rest of the world has had it for many years

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 27 10:23:21 2018 No.5127892 >>5127014 Yeah CD-ROM complicates things. That said, since the CD-ROM2 adds nothing but storage and redbook audio to the console, it could even work with a USB DVD drive. (or they could just have you dump your ISOs and run them from SD...)

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 27 10:51:52 2018 No.5127913 File: 103 KB, 620x863, wierd science.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5106165 Inaccurate colours and lag, probably.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 27 11:48:04 2018 No.5128003 >>5126736 Nothing wrong with emulators, but spend $190 + tip for an emulator is silly

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 27 13:36:22 2018 No.5128207 >>5127913 It’ll be RGB and lag-free like the Super NT. Just make sure you use it on a TV with low input lag for best results.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 27 13:47:14 2018 No.5128221 >>5106185 You can get an actual mega drive with controllers and games for like $50 on craigslist. Why would you buy this instead?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 27 13:49:01 2018 No.5128227 >>5106165 This is probably gonna suck in some manner especially via sound but prove me wrong,

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 27 13:54:37 2018 No.5128241 I'm glad the MiSTer project is finally getting some attention. Some of the cores are already pretty good, and the Genesis one is coming along nicely. Hopefully it improves enough to btfo Analogue and Jewtris.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 27 13:55:30 2018 No.5128242 >>5128221 so you can be part of some trendy internet club

Anonymous Sat Oct 27 14:08:35 2018 No.5128272

>>5126913
That's my favorite part of the NT, but that's a fun bonus feature that came later. This is not the primary use case that the console was designed for, and ROM support is incomplete and unofficial for this reason. If you want to play a game that uses an enhancement chip, you have to insert the real game or an appropriate flash cart. The console doesn't support playing those games natively, even with a jailbreak.
No one is saying these consoles CAN'T play ROMs, only that Analogue isn't focused on making a great ROM-playing machine because that doesn't match their premium brand identity. ROMs and emuation are seen as cheap. Just read this thread for proof. They don't want that baggage. They're focused on making premium hardware, luxury products for dedicated gamers, so they focus strongly on features like real hardware support that distance themselves from cheap and free options like ROMs and software emulation.
I'm glad that they supported ROMs, eventually, as an afterthought, but it's still an afterthought.
ROMs and emulation don't fit their premium brand identity, so they distance themselves from both concepts. That's why they'd never support Sega CD without also including a disc drive.

Anonymous Sat Oct 27 14:14:41 2018 No.5128282

>>5128221
>Why would you buy this instead of original hardware?
To play your original games on your HDTV with no lag without having to learn about RGB, console variants, and dumping a load of cash on RGB cables and a nice upscaler.
Or because you want a really nice, really accurate, single-purpose Sega emulator for your HDTV.
Or because you're an idiot who fell for the hype and thinks this isn't an emulator and you want a magical luxury game box.
There are lots of reasons.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 27 14:21:19 2018 No.5128293 >>5106165 Will this sweet looking controller be able to be used on PC?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 27 14:21:37 2018 No.5128295 >>5128272 >That's why they'd never support Sega CD without also including a disc drive. they already are.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 27 15:33:18 2018 No.5128405 >>5113532 >the SNES demolished it. I mean, if you lived in nipland, sure. >ellipses You don't have to mimic your ability to not know shit off hand when you actually talk, reddit.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 27 15:35:42 2018 No.5128408 >>5112789 >if npcs don't mention a game is good it isn't worth playing Holy shit, kys nigger. >>5112959 Tons. Not as many as SNES, but on par with PC Engine.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 27 17:04:46 2018 No.5128531 >>5128241 The cores are dogshit now though, unfortunately.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 27 17:08:59 2018 No.5128535 >>5106165 I don't give a shit because my laptop or Wii is just as good

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 27 21:01:56 2018 No.5128957 MiSTer telethon live right now https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqrjSUp2mMo

Anonymous Sat Oct 27 21:25:32 2018 No.5128995
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>>5128282
>buy upscaler
>can use it for every console

>get an HDMI clone console
>have to get clone consoles or separate HDMI mods for each console you own

also
>playing on an LCD at all

Anonymous Sat Oct 27 21:30:14 2018 No.5129003
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>>5106259
I'm skeptical of what the adapters themselves will look like, considering what the transparent plastic on the SuperNT looks like in reality, compared to the product photos.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 27 21:49:49 2018 No.5129046 >>5127892 >That said, since I don't know what I'm talking about FTFYK

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 27 22:00:40 2018 No.5129068 >>5129046 The CD-ROM2 allowed for massive storage and CD-Audio. It added no additional 'power' to the PC Engine. It's not like the Sega CD.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 27 22:10:50 2018 No.5129089 >>5128295 As long as you attach your own disc drive. A real Sega CD will work with this console, but they don't support it natively.

Anonymous Sat Oct 27 22:14:36 2018 No.5129094

>>5128995
Basically.
This isn't for hobbyists who are willing to buy original hardware, learn about RGB and buy an upscaler, or who prefer CRTs. It's for people who want a premium plug-and-play solution to play their games on a modern TV, or who like the idea of a single-purpose clone.

Anonymous Sat Oct 27 22:19:38 2018 No.5129102

>>5129068
>The CD-ROM2 allowed for massive storage and CD-Audio. It added no additional 'power' to the PC Engine. It's not like the Sega CD.
Emulating the Sega CD is dead simple. Analogue is making people use the original console because they want to support the original games without adding a CD drive.
They might add ROM/ISO via an unofficial firmware fork in a few months or weeks, but they won't support ROMs or ISOs at launch. That's not what these products are for.
The same is gonna be true for their future PCE clone. If they can't support the original game media, they won't emulate the system. They'll either add a CD drive (unlikely) or demand that users use the original (much more likely).

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 27 22:21:39 2018 No.5129103 >>5129102 Certainly, I don't disagree with that.

Anonymous Sun Oct 28 12:41:11 2018 No.5130218

>>5129102
Not entirely correct. I'll agree on the PCE side of things, but the Sega/Mega CD adds additional hardware to the Genesis/MD that can't simply be "patched" into an ISO loader. Unless they spend an extra several months reverse engineering the Sega CD hardware, I can guarantee you'll never see ISO loading for the Mega SG. Yes, you can "emulate" SCD on a PC because those emulators have been developed over the course of decades, but you can't just take that and recompile it into an FPGA hardware core. It needs to be done from scratch to properly integrate into the existing hardware. There's more going on in the SCD than you realize, between the extra processor, additional RAM, hardware scaling and rotation, not to mention the mechanics of simulating a laser assembly and whatnot. To implement all of that, EXCLUSIVELY for piracy, I can't imagine they will ever go to those lengths.

Anonymous Sun Oct 28 12:43:09 2018 No.5130224

>>5106323
>It's just that you can't mention the turbografx to a wide audience because no one outside of 40 year old gamers and retro enthusiast have even heard of it

most retro gamers are well aware of Rondo, Ys, R-Type, and Bomberman. But not much on the system besides that

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 28 12:44:51 2018 No.5130227 >>5106373 >And yet still shittier graphics and sound with the majority of ports. Oh, that's cute. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYaJke21s0E

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 28 12:45:03 2018 No.5130228 >>5130218 >EXCLUSIVELY for piracy huh? You know you can dump cds very easily right?

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 28 14:57:57 2018 No.5130453 >>5114327 I feel you. I think Sin&Punishment is their only game that I actually liked. They are the Michael Bay of vidya.

Anonymous Sun Oct 28 18:17:48 2018 No.5130753

>>5130218
It is absolutely more than just a CD Drive (it has some nice extra hardware, like you said) but it could absolutely be patched in. It's significantly less complex than implementing a full console or even the 32X. The question is whether or not they'll take the time to do it. My best bet is "no," unfortunately.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 28 21:09:57 2018 No.5131053 >>5130753 It's pretty much the same as implementing a full console. It has its own CPU, RAM, graphics processor, CD controller, audio mixer, etc.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 28 21:22:29 2018 No.5131073 >>5129068 Keep telling yourself that kiddo. And keep posting it. On an anonymous image board the only way to tell who's an underage bullshitter is to see them show it off. >'power' lol

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 28 23:23:35 2018 No.5131296 >>5131073 Jesus christ look it up you slackjaw.

Anonymous Mon Oct 29 02:59:12 2018 No.5131713

>>5131053
They're considering tackling the 32X. Not tackling the CD first would be nuts. It's a significantly simpler system with a better library.
But I don't think they'll end up adding either one. I think it'll be like special chip support on their SNES clone - they won't expand the scope from what they support at launch. After a few bug fixes they'll stop supporting it and move on to the next console.

Anonymous Mon Oct 29 03:14:27 2018 No.5131725

>>5131296
I don't need to look it up. I'm very familiar with the extra RAM, audio hardware, etc the CD-ROM2 system provides. If you mean I should look up what other dumb kids on the internet parrot the same bullshit you do I don't need to do that either. I'm well aware that you aren't alone in your ignorance.

Anonymous Mon Oct 29 03:25:39 2018 No.5131738

I'm gonna be honest, I don't get the issue.

It's not emulation, it's hardware simulation, it's a real integrated circuit, do we hate the Atari Flashback 2 and C64 DTV too now for the same reason? the point is it's the lowest level recreation of the original hardware you can get, and is often more accurate than clones from the original companies themselves.

Do we hate the SNES Jr. now too? it's a 1-chip clone of the original SNES, so why not just emulate? It doesn't emulate the original SNES exactly, just 99.99% on a hardware level with all the benefits of doing that at a hardware level, so what's the point?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 29 12:22:48 2018 No.5132426 >>5131738 >It's not emulation, it's hardware simulation, kek

Anonymous Mon Oct 29 12:46:56 2018 No.5132464

>>5131738
It's nothing like SNES jr. clone, it's not based on original chips layout but rather on reverse-engineering and analysis of the console hardware. Genesis clones exist (they were likely made using unauthorized copies of original ASICs masks that were used in chinese assembly factories back then ) but that's not what this FPGA console is.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 29 12:51:53 2018 No.5132470 >>5131738 >It's not emulation, it's hardware simulation imagine having no idea how computers work

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 29 14:30:56 2018 No.5132642 >>5132470 Do you think this thing is running software in the background or something?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 29 18:12:22 2018 No.5133072 >>5131725 oh wow he's still doing this

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 30 09:21:44 2018 No.5134250 >>5132642 please don't stop, your ignorance is very entertaining.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 30 09:25:43 2018 No.5134252 >>5106185 The fuck?! I used to buy Chinese Mega Drive copies for 10-15 dollars back in a day in my country. I bet i could buy one for 5 dollars now.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 30 11:14:06 2018 No.5134389 >>5132642 >>5131738 keep going, i'm almost there

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 30 12:29:08 2018 No.5134539 >>5117727 IIRC, it's just the amplifier circuit in Model 2s being entirely fucked and introducing distortion.

Anonymous Tue Oct 30 17:24:58 2018 No.5135117

>>5131713
They’re considering tackling the 32x because it’s currently completely incompatible. That’s why. They’re not “tackling” the SCD because there’s no need to. They have the interface port giving the addon full compatibility with the SG.

Literally the only reason for them to reverse engineer the Sega CD would be to sell another standalone system/addon with the CD drive or offer pirate ISO loading without the hardware. There is a 0% chance of either of those things happening. You’re kidding yourself if you legitimately believe that’s a good business decision. Maybe if they’re still in business they’ll consider an all-in-one unit in 20 years when it becomes impossible to find/fix Sega CD units.

Anonymous Tue Oct 30 17:39:50 2018 No.5135139

>>5135117
>pirate ISO loading
lol what. They have an interface with a sega cd unit, so they could easily just put in a fucking usb port to interface with any cd unit and put the rest of that shit on an fpga. They could sell some shitty overpriced usb cd rom drive that people would eat up because obviously no one actually needs any of this shit and then everyone else could just use some random shit.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 30 17:44:00 2018 No.5135147 >>5128282 >without having to learn about RGB, console variants, and dumping a load of cash on RGB cables and a nice upscaler. you don't have to do any of that you fucking retards

Anonymous Tue Oct 30 21:14:27 2018 No.5135481

>>5135147
But that's what you get the with the Mega SG whether you want it or not, settling for lower image/sound quality isn't a fair comparison because the SG gives you all of that.

You people who complain about this device saying "YEAH BUT I COULD JUST GET A $10 GENESIS WITH $30 KNOCKOFF EVERDRIVE AND PLAY IT WITH COMPOSITE VIDEO ON MY FREE CURBSIDE CRT IT'S SO CHEAP YOU'RE JUST PAYING AN IDIOT TAX" are completely missing the point. If the point is to play for as little money as possible then that's reasonable argument, but we're talking about a high end, custom-built, FPGA hardware reproduction catering to the highest visual and audio quality designed around modern displays. I'd argue that you're moving the goalposts, but you aren't even playing the same sport. You're not comparing apples to oranges, you're comparing apples to the rear bumper of a 1997 Toyota Corolla.

Anonymous Tue Oct 30 21:50:48 2018 No.5135520

>>5135481
if you only care about getting high quality sound and visual output on a modern display then you're better off with a CUSTOM BUILT software emulator.

I guarantee if you did a blind test with fucking kega fusion (an 8 year old emulator at this point) and kept the video output to a simple 2x-4x integer scale on both platforms so that no one could tell from just looking at how the image is scaled which one is different, 99% couldn't tell the difference.

That is not even talking about modern shit like run ahead to reduce latency and every other latency reducing measure you could take (because latency is literally the only inherent advantage of fpga) and using something like genesis plus gx which is more accurate.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 30 21:53:25 2018 No.5135526 >>5135520 my bad, fusion is actually 14 years old at this point. Last update was 8 years ago.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 30 22:01:42 2018 No.5135554 >>5135526 damn, Kega is still my go-to for 8/16 bit Sega emulation.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 31 14:11:38 2018 No.5136748 >no analog again Why the fuck is their name even Analogue? Should just change it to Digitall.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 31 14:14:09 2018 No.5136750 >>5135520 Sick of these “just use an emulator” posts like they automatically assume everyone has a nice shiny modern PC with the power for total accuracy - especially when dealing with stuff like Higan - and run-ahead.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 31 14:19:04 2018 No.5136756 >>5136750 lol genesis plux gx runs on a fucking wii

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 31 14:19:09 2018 No.5136757 >>5136750 Higan might've required a powerful PC 10 years ago. It doesn't now. If you're too poor to afford a PC newer than 10 years old, you're too poor to afford Analogue's products.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 31 14:28:56 2018 No.5136770 >>5136750 >implying

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 31 15:07:44 2018 No.5136842 >>5129003 Ech, looks really cheap.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 31 15:25:01 2018 No.5136869 >>5136750 >they automatically assume everyone has a nice shiny modern PC with the power for total accuracy You think Analog's systems have total accuracy?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 31 19:37:58 2018 No.5137221 >>5136869 yes? Is kevtris not working on them?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 31 19:44:32 2018 No.5137226 >>5137221 What's your definition for total accuracy?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 31 20:48:35 2018 No.5137332 >>5137226 More accurate than Higan :^)

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 31 20:50:40 2018 No.5137339 >>5137226 emulating electrons

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 1 05:55:42 2018 No.5137970 >>5136748 if you want analog, get the original console, nerd

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 2 09:45:26 2018 No.5140141 File: 936 KB, 644x644, centrum.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5137970 >nerd

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