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5087108 No.5087108 [Reply] [Original]

Start forking Doom.

>> No.5087158
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5087158

>>5087108
There's a LOT of reasons why people don't like it, and I think the people who don't like it all likely have their own reasons for not liking it.

Here's a posting about someone discovering a massive memory leak that used up 4GB of ram. While I have yet to see something this massive, I have definitely noticed Systemd using more memory than the alternatives, and some leakage here and there as well.
https://serverfault.com/questions/755818/systemd-using-4gb-ram-after-18-days-of-uptime

Some see it as an unnecessary security risk due to its massive attack surface. It recently hit 1 million lines of code.
https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=systemd-2017-Git-Activity

Some don't like it because they dislike its habit of scope creep. The project ends up assimilating things that historically should not have anything to do with init. gif related.
https://suckless.org/sucks/systemd

There's also some other design decisions that people have an issue with, such as using Google DNS by default (because of course systemd can handle DNS), using binary logs, etc.

Lastly there's the conspiracy theory side of it, which alleges that systemd is an NSA attempt to compromise GNU/Linux, and due to Systemd as a project moving way too fast, it can't be properly audited.
https://web.archive.org/web/20170724100245/https://muchweb.me/systemd-nsa-attempt/

For more links and arguments, see:
http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/Arguments_against_systemd

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5087161

>>5087108
Bring him back

>> No.5087225

What's with this current barrage of Carkmack-shitposting?

>> No.5087585
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5087585

Start making wads.

>> No.5087589

>>5087585
The Romero Awakens

>> No.5087594

>>5087585
pls gibs 7 million dollars

>> No.5087598

Fuck you Carmack, you're not my dad.

>> No.5087602

>>5087598
>Carmack will never be your dead
Time. To die.

>> No.5087604

>>5087161
nigga ran id into the ground with his techno fetish.

if he focused on making games first they wouldn't have gotten bought by bethesda.

>> No.5087605

>>5087604
Carmack's tech was the only redeeming thing about id.

>> No.5087609

Reminder that Carmack didn't invent the BSP tree and the inverse sqrt.

>> No.5087624

>>5087602
>carmack will never be your dad
thank fucking god, because if I were that'd make me a hapa mongrel

>> No.5087737

>>5087585
Stop being Romero's bitch.
>gaben.jpg

>> No.5087857

>>5087605

Nigger show me how many other game companies are willing to give away source code to outdated games so they can have new life breathed into them decades later.

>> No.5087879

What's the best Doom source port and why is it Crispy Doom?

>> No.5087883

>>5087609
Proof?

>> No.5087912

>>5087585
God I would easily pledge to a Romero Patreon if it ment he did nothing but release wads every few months.

>> No.5088108

>>5087857
It was a failed business strategy. The idea was that with so much ports, modding and community the quake and doom names would get huge amounts of free publicity. They succeeded in becoming well-known yes, but practically gave away their IP in the process.

>> No.5088114

>>5087857
Jazz Jackrabbit 2 still works on Windows 10 despite being made for Win95 and also has thriving modding community without source code being released to the public. It's not the matter of having source code to fiddle in, it's about the dedication of community to make stuff for the game. Diablo1 has several different "ports" being developed despite source code leaking only few months ago.

>> No.5088196

>>5088108
>made them millions of dollars and made Doom into a household name
>failed business strategy
sure fucking thing, silverman

>> No.5088232

>>5088108
Publishing the source code means that id's games have practically endless shelf life. They can be enjoyed again and again in any number of ways on any platform at any time, while people wait to pay Nintendo yet again to have another copy of the Super Mario Bros 3 ROM that can't be improved or extended in any way.

>> No.5088267

>>5087883
In the famous book masters of doom it states he did not invent bsp. However, bsp itself would just be another one of his many great contributions if it was his.

>> No.5088284

Do you want me to steal computers too?

>> No.5088346

>>5088196
>>5088232
You're kidding, right? id is barely still functioning as a company. Both Doom and Quake series are at an unimaginably low commercial value. I'm pretty sure a lot of heavy fps players have never even heard of Quake Champions. Sure id turning to shit caused a lot of it, however if the IP was really strong that wouldn't matter, they would get more revenue and invest more in the next iteration.

If Nintendo had release the source code to Super Smash Bros. or Mario Kart you might have a similar thing happen there. The community would grab it and essentially go crazy with it forever. Nintendo coming out with a new game every few years and people wouldn't be as interested. I'm not insulting Nintendo here, I'm saying that if you give away all your IPs then it's harder trying to sell them in future. Same with Blizzard and Starcraft, if the community already had proto Starcraft 2 made themselves they wouldn't bother.

That's the way forward, it was a failed experiment. That's why no company gives out any of their source code anymore. I thought everyone knew this, it's so obvious.

>> No.5088406

>>5088108
No it didn't you dingus. They gave away the source code, not the game itself (the compiled binaries and data files). So people still need to buy the game to play it legally. And anyone who would pirate the data files would pirate the exe as well.

>> No.5088425

>>5088346
What the fuck are you talking about? 2016 Doom was a huge success and Eternal seems to be getting some good hype too.

>> No.5088462

>>5088425
Two exceptions don't disprove his point
Also
>2016 doom
>good
No

>> No.5088471

Id fps games always sucked.
Stop circlejerking.

>> No.5088514

>>5088462
commercial success =/= good

>> No.5088525

>>5088196
>>5088346
Doom has been a household name for years, source code aside. an aside, the current status / financial health of a company has little bearing on the cultural relevance / impact of their IPs, Doom arguably having the greatest (of id's catalogue.)

also, while releasing the code may have hurt id, it only hurts the community to the extent that they still rely on id for new content. given that they've never outdone their older properties (original Doom(s) and Quake 3 come to mind), for a retro-exclusive gamer like me, there's little downside to having the community take the reins. of course it'd be ideal to have id healthy and actively putting out good content, but frankly they've already put out their best work, IMO. might as well open it up to the fans, some of whom make damn good wads. doesn't mean it's not a failed business strategy, but works for me.

>> No.5088565

>>5088346
Quake Champions failed because arena shooters are a niche market.
>>5088462
>m-muh two exceptions!
id is owned by Bethesda, they only had to swallow the moderate losses of QC and Rage. nu-Doom made them a huge profit. Especially now that id is sharing its tech with Arkane, Machinegames and Tango.

>> No.5088584

>>5088346
Good
Doom is fucking trash that only appeals to incel psychos and future school shooters.

>> No.5088602

>>5088565

Don’t forget ID licensed out the Quake 3 engine as well which was used in the first few Call of Dutys. I don’t see any evidence they failed as a company, they’re still in existence which is more to be said than most 80s and 90s PC developers. Their superstars left the company but really that’s the same for any company on a long enough timeline.

>> No.5088608

>>5087883
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_space_partitioning

BSP trees are the product of basically 25 years of various mathematicians and computer scientists chipping away at the problem.

Carmack didn't come up with the formulae himself. He just managed to get them running fast and accurate enough for the purpose of a videogame on the hardware of the day. A very far from trivial task, but he's not the boy genius who singlehandedly invented realtime 3D, as some people would have you believe.

He drew upon decades of Compsci work. He stood upon the shoulders of giants.

>> No.5088621

>>5087912
i'd honestly be super interested to see romero make a megawad with a few trusted designers. he could maybe even use gzdoom if he wants to do something a little new

>> No.5088642

>>5088602
Yeah, and say what you want about nu-Doom but it's better than anything they made after Quake 3. The humor and pacing of nu-Doom makes me think they finally understand what made id work in the first place.

>> No.5088656
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5088656

>>5088621
>Romero
>McGee
>Dr. Sleep (RIP)
>Malcolm Sailor
>The guy who made Breach

>> No.5088774

That's why is one of my favorite games, you'll never run out of content to play.

>> No.5088834

>>5088108
I want my videogames to fail this way

>> No.5088839

>>5088284
for the greater good

>> No.5089661

Tim Sweeney > John Carmack

>> No.5091314

>>5089661
Ken Silverman > Tim Sweeney

>> No.5091801

>>5088114
No one has ever played a single jazz jackrabbit game

>> No.5091818

>>5088584
Go away Anita this is about video games.

>> No.5091849

>>5087604
carmack never made a game in his life. why place the id at his feet alone?

>> No.5091858
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5091858

>>5088608
>He stood upon the shoulders of giants
>Implying EVERY scientist today doesn't

>> No.5091868

>>5087604

iD got bought out because of the tumor that was RAGE fucking up all their financials and Doom 4 being in development hell.

>> No.5091881 [DELETED] 

what is this shit thread

>> No.5091910

>>5087158
>Systemd
Well there's yer problem

>>5088406
It's hard for me to imagine what it must be like to be this stupid. To not only think that source code isn't IP but to be so stupid as to broadcast your ignorance on the internet. It boggles the mind that someone could be so mentally deficient and actually survive.

>> No.5093609

>>5087158
Switching back to a non systemd distro truly feels like coming home.

>> No.5093625

>>5091910
I'm glad there are people as enlightened and informed as you posting anonymously. It's good to know that their are people with such self awareness keeping idiots like that in line here.

>> No.5095030

>>5088462
*sips monster*

yeah nothing beats the originals amirite?

>> No.5095148

>>5091801
Here's your (you) champ, you earned it.

>> No.5095645

>>5088108
If only more videogames could 'fail' like this.

>> No.5095647

>>5095030
I think what makes Doom 4 work is that it tries to do more of its own thing, rather than trying to senselessly ape the classic games, which was what some people wanted, for some reason (if I want classic Doom, I'll play classic Doom, like usual).

Hardly perfect, but I found it a fun and satisfying game, and I'm hoping they'll improve on it and fix the flaws in 5.

>> No.5095753

>>5087158
Copy pasta or wrong thread?

>> No.5095771

>>5088346
The modding community is what made Doom successful back in the day.

id stopped making good games.

>> No.5095903

>>5088346
>id is barely still functioning as a company

That's because they make what, 1 game every five years nowadays? And half of those end up as shit?

>> No.5096393

doo

>> No.5096403
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5096403

doo guy