/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.5086940]

How does this compare with the other well known jrpgs on PSX, such as FF7/9, LoM, Chrono Cross, Xenogears?

[Anonymous No.5086965]

>>5086940
I want to play BoF4 or 3 but I keep hearing their stories are bland and cliched.
I really like the character art and world design of these games but if an rpg has a shit story then I can't justify sinking dozens of hours into it.

>How does this compare with the other well known jrpgs on PSX, such as FF7/9, LoM, Chrono Cross, Xenogears?
It's probably a tier 3 rpg like LoM, not really up there with FF7/9 (tier 1), nor the tier 2s like Xenogears/Chrono Cross.

[Anonymous No.5086997]

>>5086965
>FF9
>tier one

[Anonymous No.5087000]

>>5086997
It has a lot of flaws but I'd still put it above FF8.

[Anonymous No.5087001]

>>5086965
>I keep hearing their stories are bland and cliched

If you actually think FF7 is a "tier 1" RPG then you're going to be blown away by how amazing Breath of Fire 4 is, so you should get on that.

[Anonymous No.5087003]

>>5086940
I can't speak on that one but pic related is fucking baller

[Anonymous No.5087007]

>>5087003
I agree. I didn't even beat it and its miles better than FF7 (which I have beaten).

[Anonymous No.5087014]

>>5087001
FF7 was revolutionary when it came out, and deserved all the praise and awards it got, it still is tier 1, despite what online contrarians and edgelords say.

[Anonymous No.5087017]

>>5087007
>miles better than FF7
stop lying

[Anonymous No.5087018]

>>5087014
Being blinded by nostalgia doesn't make you right.

[Anonymous No.5087019]

I found the third better; more vibrant colour and animation. 2nd wasn't bad either desu. Still good though.

Third's story is satisfactory. I like the idea of the protagonist learning to wield this beast inside of him. Plot twist: he's not the only one.

[Anonymous No.5087026]

>>5086940

It's one of the best games on the system.

>>5087003

Yeah no. I like 3 but nothing on it got shit on Fou

[Anonymous No.5087040]

>>5087018
>Being blinded by nostalgia doesn't make you right.
>/vr/
>talking about nostalgia
lmao

[Anonymous No.5087041]

>>5087026
>one of the best games on system
why is it so slow and awful story? explain.

[Anonymous No.5087049]

>>5087041

>Interesting world based on eastern mythology that it spreads organically into the narrative
>Characters who go through emotional journies and have to overcome near constant sorrow and heartache
>some of the most unique and amazing dragon designs the series has to offer
>Fun battle system that allows you to use the entire party and string together combos learned from masters and foes
>Ershin

[Anonymous No.5087093]

>>5087026
>I like 3 but nothing on it got shit on Fou
Never said it did. Don't know what imaginary statement you're arguing against.
>Yeah no
The mating call of all basedboys

[Anonymous No.5087113]

>>5087040
>gohanfag is a ff7fag
What a surprise

[Anonymous No.5087159]

>>5087049
>bof4 good story
This guy really likes the game but says the story is really weak, weakest point
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27j34Y9wVkg

[Anonymous No.5087167]

>>5087113
Gohan + Piccolo best team.

[Anonymous No.5087169]

>>5087159
Why kind of argument is that? It still has a good story.

[Anonymous No.5087171]

>>5087159

He also thinks that haircut is a good idea and hosts a youtube channel.

[Anonymous No.5087176]

>>5087159
Someguy said something about your mom on the internet, must be true.

[Anonymous No.5087180]

>>5087176
>>5087169
>listen to me when I say it's good
>don't listen to that other guy who disagrees
not an argument

[Anonymous No.5087185]

>>5087180
>I'm some dude on the internet and I have opinions
Not an argument either.

[Anonymous No.5087191]

>>5087180
>>5087185
Just buy a banner for your youtube channel instead of throwing an autistic fit.

[Anonymous No.5087198]

>>5087191
>>5087185
How is the story good? No one explained their position yet.

[Anonymous No.5087203]

>>5087198
Go back to the e-celeb board, faggot

[Anonymous No.5087213]

>>5087203
>bof4 discussion
>bof4 is really good
>but why?
>ARGH! gtfo!!!
seething

[Anonymous No.5087216]

>>5087198
I haven't played it in years but the villain is a massive asshole. Really makes you hate him.

[Anonymous No.5087476]

If you're going to play bof, play 3 and forget about 4 - it's extremely forgetable.

[Anonymous No.5087545]

>>5087476
this, 4 was a mistake

3 > 5 > 2 > 1 >>> 4

[Anonymous No.5087553]

>>5087476
>>5087545
my niggas

[Anonymous No.5087751]

>>5086940
Personally it's my favorite RPG on the system. But it's also the last RPG on PS I finished and one of the last overall.

I played RPGs a lot in the NES and SNES days and then loads on PSX but started buring out on them and there were many I started and eventually dropped.

BoFIV has some slow points in the middle, but it's a build that really pays off in my opinion. The story, characters especially the parts where you play as the "antagonist" are all top notch. I've played and enjoyed the other games you mentioned, of them FFIX and Chrono Cross are close with Legend of Mana being great in some regards and very disappointing in others. I like BoFIV more than all of them though.

[Anonymous No.5087769]

>>5087159
I haven't watched that but in my opinion the story/characters are the best part. It is a slow build, but if you go with the flow it's excellent.

Think of the pacing like Dragon Quest but instead of being cheery and charming, it's foreboding and melancholic. It's probably not for everyone, but I think it works really well.

[Anonymous No.5088182]

>>5086940
It's a great game with beautiful art, an interesting combat system, and a good story. The game's weak points are its low difficulty and some padding near the ending.

I played it last year with no nostalgia and was incredibly impressed. Play it anon.

[Anonymous No.5088302]

>>5086965
>FF7/9
>tier 1
How? Why? Not shitting them just because they're popular, but there's a lot of better stuff in terms of delivering a better overall package than FF on the PS1.

[Anonymous No.5088327]

2>3>4>1

4 is kinda bland in its music, colors, fights and story

[Anonymous No.5088335]

>>5087000
It's a very railroaded game. An "on the rails RPG" if you will.

[Anonymous No.5088338]

>>5088327
Huh, the music and story are some of my favorite things about it.

[Anonymous No.5088343]

>>5088302
Final Fantasy, especially 7, is a lot of people's introduction rpgs. They tend to lose all objectivity when it comes to their first big entry title. 7 fans are especially bad at this because they ignore how weak the story and most of the cast is all because Aerith dies and they had never experienced permanently losing a party member before.

[Anonymous No.5088417]

>>5088335
That's most FF games though. 8 is pretty linear as well.

[Anonymous No.5088420]

>>5088343
She didnt die man she lives on in our hearts

[Anonymous No.5088437]

>>5088343
If FFVII was your first rpg then Aerith dying wouldn't seem like anything that special. Kinda like if IV was your first...

[Anonymous No.5088489]

>>5088327
>4 is kinda bland in its music

So this is what pleb taste looks like

[Anonymous No.5088503]

>>5088489
Maybe just bad taste?

https://youtu.be/F5p5vRLE7lo

[Anonymous No.5088509]

>>5088335
it's railroaded but each section of the game has a bunch of optional stuff you can do in it and you can move on at your own pace, so while you are technically railroaded in terms of progression it never really felt that way to me

[Anonymous No.5088537]

>>5088503
can you name any other good song from this game?

[Anonymous No.5088615]

>>5088537

Most all of them

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGbKecflE1k&list=PL5007980ACC49FA7E&index=13&t=0s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xUt6rRwrPU&list=PL5007980ACC49FA7E&index=24&t=0s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FldEkQ8sOWY&list=PL5007980ACC49FA7E&index=45&t=0s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=waSASKFkGDM&list=PL5007980ACC49FA7E&index=32&t=0s

[Anonymous No.5088619]

>>5088615
stopped listening at the battle theme. you are in no position to tell me i have bad taste sorry

[Anonymous No.5088620]

>>5088619

Comments like this do a good enough job telling it yourself

[Anonymous No.5088626]

>>5088620
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPNR4D9VJEA

some good music

[Anonymous No.5088664]

>>5088626
>Cover

kek

[Anonymous No.5088718]

>>5086940
The entire BOF series is mediocre. And all those others you mentioned are mediocre too except for FF7.

[Anonymous No.5088753]

>>5088718
So you're saying ff7 is the best of those games? Lol

[Anonymous No.5089239]

>>5088753
Ff7 is better and one of the best rpgs ever made, and edgy contrarians can't do anything about it lmao

[Anonymous No.5089280]

>>5087545
5 better than 4?
No

[Anonymous No.5089284]

>>5089239
In what ways specifically would you say it's better?

[Anonymous No.5089571]

>>5086965

>FF7 Tier 1
Should be tier 2
>Xegonears tier 2
is trash tier
>Chrono Cross tier 2
is God tier/ tier 1 at worst

>Where is ff8?

You, mister, have a bad taste and shoud not be allowed to reproduce.

[Anonymous No.5089943]

>>5089571
I like how everyone around here unironically believes their own wacky taste is the universal objective truth.

[Anonymous No.5089950]

A lot has been said in this thread already but I'll chime in with my own opinion anyway

BoF4 is good, not as good as 3, but a decent RPG. I'd put it above Legend of Legaia and Legend of Dragoon. I think it shares a tier with Tales of Destiny and Star Ocean: the Second Story. 6.5/10

[Anonymous No.5090000]

>>5089280
I like 5 better than 1, 2, and 3 but not as much as 4. It's hard to compare though, it doesn't feel like the same series at all. It's a very interesting game though sand probably would have been much better received if it didn't have BoF in the title.

[Anonymous No.5090040]

Kind of offtopic, but does anyone know if even the rings break in koudelka?

[Anonymous No.5090067]

>>5090000
3 and 4 are the best in the series, what a waste of quads.

[Anonymous No.5090090]

>>5090067
Well to be fair, if I didn't count Dragon Quarter as a BoF game then 3 and 4 would be considered the best. Though personally I didn't like 3 nearly as much, you don't have to agree. That's the fun thing about opinions.

[Anonymous No.5091353]

>>5090067
3 is a perfect ten outta ten rpg.
4 has some minor flaws, pacing, setting, camera angles, minigames, but still great.

[Anonymous No.5091590]

>>5090040
based

[Anonymous No.5092149]

>>5087159
This was the same faggot that was defending Breath of Fire Dragon Quarter. For the most stupid reasons. His opinion is extra useless.
That he thinks that Breath of Fire IV should be seen as a prequel also is pretty foolish.
His argument for the story being weak is that it passes too much time without giving Ryu a proper motivation. To this I have just to say:
It doesn't take too much time, and Ryu does have a initial motivation - he doesn't have a memory, and since Nina was travelling to the next town, he decided to follow her to the there to try to see if he gets any hints about who he is. After that (and it’s very early in the game), he keeps with Nina because both of them are on the run from a certain organization. Not much time after the whole “on the run” thing kind of reach the next stage, he gains more reasons to keep with Nina. And also by that time he cares about Nina, as well as she cares about him.
The story have a lot of strong points, but it seems strange to talk about them without giving more spoilers. I will say that, at least, better than FF7/8/9, Chrono Cross and others.

[Anonymous No.5092175]

>>5090040
Not that I remember, rings aren't subject to direct use like the rest of your equipment.
>>5091353
>3 is a perfect ten outta ten rpg.
>4 has some minor flaws
3 is one of the most disgustingly overrated entries in the series together with 2, 2 only wins out because of Kattfag alone being as autistic and insufferable as the entire worlwide 3 fanbase really.
To say 4 has problems with pacing when 3's biggest sin next to the incredible Dragon gene bloat is to have entire segments where nothing happens is nothing short of laughable.
Complaining about the setting compared to 3 is also bad because 3 has the same bland generic 90's anime fantasy setting as 2 and 1, at least 4 does have something that is still fairly uncommon to this day with its Sino-Korean inspired half of the world, that is also perfectly conveyed through the soundtrack.
There's nothing noteworthy in the entire BoF's series' settings outside of 4 and DQ, if you prefer your generic fantasy fine by me, but don't say that one of the two games where they actually tried and delivered has a bad setting.

[Anonymous No.5092210]

BoF4's setting, music, story and characters are all fantastic. An underrated masterpiece of the era.

[Anonymous No.5092220]

>>5089950
>SO2 and BoF4 anything but at least 8s

[Anonymous No.5092232]

>>5089571
>>Where is ff8?
in the trash.

[Anonymous No.5092234]

>>5092175
be that as it may, 3 is a perfect ten outta ten rpg.
while 4 is great, but has some minor flaws.

[Anonymous No.5092461]

>>5092175
>2 only wins out because of Kattfag alone being as autistic and insufferable
Stop reading right there. Kill yourself, retard.

Don't give this 4 retard replies. Let him rot his way back to /v/.

[Anonymous No.5092482]

>>5092175
>at least 4 does have something that is still fairly uncommon to this day with its Sino-Korean inspired half of the world
Lol. Are you trying to say that that setting is unique? It is definitely not uncommon in Japanese games even from that era, and that all the mobage from Japan today has its characters wear Asian outfits.

[Anonymous No.5092486]

>>5092175
>Dragon Quarter
>noteworthy setting
Literally Fallout

[Anonymous No.5092541]

>>5092175
>3 is one of the most disgustingly overrated entries in the series together with 2
But 4 is the most overrated BoF game on /vr/, mainly because of a handful insufferable wannabe intellectuals, who just happen to have a bad taste.

>incredible Dragon gene bloat
I am not really a fan of 3, but Dragon system from 3 is the strongest side of 3 and one of the best things to come off of this series.

>entire segments where nothing happens
That's the problem with the entire series, not just 3. At least, 2 and 1 are open-world games in contrast to 3 and 4, so it doesn't feel strange having that in them.

>Complaining about the setting compared to 3 is also bad
It's not bad to complain just because 4 is "more unique", because the choice to a person is personal and you'd be delusional to think everyone will eat up "unique" just because it's different.

>3 has the same bland generic 90's anime fantasy setting as 2 and 1
It has a special vibe to them unlike if they'd just copy, that's why the people like them despite being "generic". Also, spritework is top tier.

>at least 4 does have something that is still fairly uncommon to this day
No, it doesn't.

>world, that is also perfectly conveyed through the soundtrack
Outside of Fou-Lu battle themes, no, not really.

>There's nothing noteworthy in the entire BoF's series' settings outside of 4 and DQ
There are just good.

>but don't say that one of the two games where they actually tried and delivered has a bad setting
It all comes down to taste.

Not the original guy and not a big fan of 3 either.

[Anonymous No.5092581]

>>5087159
But he's completely wrong.

[Anonymous No.5093302]

>>5092541
>But 4 is the most overrated BoF game on /vr

Not him but it's overall the highest rated, not just on vr. Whether you agree with that or consider it overrated is personal though, of course.

[Anonymous No.5093502]

>>5092482
>It is definitely not uncommon in Japanese games even from that era
Really? Show me at least five fifth gen JRPGs with a fantasy Sino-Korean setting, and not just a town, I want it to be the one of the major if not the main setting of the game.
> and that all the mobage from Japan today has its characters wear Asian outfits.
Ah, so you're just a simple imbecile talking nonsense, I get it, I bet you think Seoul is in Hokkaido or something.
>>5092541
>But 4 is the most overrated BoF game on /vr/
Not in a million years, 3 is the defacto most popular game in the series and /vr/ means next to nothing either way, it even got a PSP rerelease due to how popular it is.
>Dragon system from 3 is the strongest side of 3 and one of the best things to come off of this series.
And it's a vastly overrated, bloated mess of a system, which is why it was streamlined in 4 when the designers at Capcom realized that 90% of what it offered had no use and rightfully cut all the useless fat.
It's one of the most overrated and overblown JRPG systems next to the Materia.
>you'd be delusional to think everyone will eat up "unique" just because it's different.
Never said that, but it's sure a much better setting than the same tired recycled one the series used for three games, especially when they put a much greater amount of care into it than most other games.
>It has a special vibe to them
Means nothing.
>spritework is top tier.
So is 4's, which also has far better animations.
>Outside of Fou-Lu battle themes
Except that western and eastern continents have completely different compositions and instrumentation for everything, not only battle themes, saying otherwise is just being dishonest, or deaf.
The care put into creating a net division between west and east in DQ4 is especially noteworthy, and you won't find this amount of care anywhere else in the series, DQ4 is the only game where the world feels geographically consistent, unlike the first three games.

[Anonymous No.5093512]

>>5092220
Sorry man, an 8 to me is Legend of Mana, Vagrant Story or FFVII.

[Anonymous No.5093516]

>>5093502
Nioh, any mobage game, like Azure Lane.

Now kill yourself off, 4 subhuman.

[Anonymous No.5093518]

>>5093502
>3 is the defacto most popular game in the series

Not really. Over an aggregate the two are ranked really closely. On Metacritic 3 ranks a couple percentage points higher but by the gamerankings average 4 is a fair bit higher.

[Anonymous No.5093527]

>>5093502
>Sino-Korean
No one actually uses that word in your context, which means you are retarded and make up shit. 4 has Japanese setting and rips off Imperial Japan circa WWII, especially Unit 731.

[Anonymous No.5093540]

>>5093518
How does metacritic equal popularity, retard?

[Anonymous No.5093547]

>>5093502
>Means nothing.
Likewise for a turd what is 4. Hell, even 2 is more popular than that abortion of a game. Enjoy your failed censored game I guess!

[Anonymous No.5093549]

>>5093547
Forgot to add: with 50 shades of sand for a palette!

[Anonymous No.5093562]

>>5093540
It's an aggregate of various opinions so I'd say that kind of exactly what it is. Do you have another source? Or are you just going to go with "everyone says X is the best!"

[Anonymous No.5093570]

>>5093562
Source? I was in fandom for many years. In the end you are to choose what you want to believe.

[Anonymous No.5093574]

>>5093570
Lol okay then. Have fun in your fantasy land.

[Anonymous No.5093575]

>>5093562
IV is rated lower than III on the gamefaqs, and barely higher than II.

[Anonymous No.5093579]

>>5093574
Likewise, retard! I hope you will decide to play a game in the end and not waste all of your worthless time on this planet making people convince you!

[Anonymous No.5093587]

>>5093575
Both have a bunch of different reviews on gamefaqs that are mostly positive and very close. Or are you refering to the random threads that come up?

>>5093579
I'm not trying to convince anyone, I don't care a ton. Personally I enjoyed 4 better, but It's clear both are popular if you look at review scores. Fantasy land is when you ignore reality and just "chose what you want to believe"

[Anonymous No.5093592]

>>5093587
>I don't care a ton
Likewise!

[Anonymous No.5093602]

>>5093587
>Fantasy land is when you ignore reality and just "chose what you want to believe"
What a retard lol. So you say everyone should drop his experience for many years because "reviewer scores are more subjective", and he, himself, may be subject to being "biased". Anyone with a bit of self-esteem will deem this laughable, you fucking clown. Whatever you want to believe, is up to you, no one cares.

[Anonymous No.5093608]

>>5093592
Cool beans

>>5093602
I'm saying you have the impression from your years that 3 is more popular. I have the impression from mine that 4 is more popular. We can agree that we both have different opinions or experiences but it doesn't leave us anywhere. At least aggregate scores show what overall opinions are which is more than just saying "this is what I think" and then "well I experienced it differently"

They're both good and popular games outside of our personal opinions if each, so it's not like any of it even matters.

[Anonymous No.5093628]

>>5093608
>aggregate scores
They just mean that both games are loved by their fans, but the amount of those fans are under suspect.

[Anonymous No.5093635]

>>5093608
>They're both good and popular games
So must be II. Why don't you say it loudly?

[Anonymous No.5093637]

>>5093628
>They just mean that both games are loved by their fans,

I agree, which is why I disagreed with the statement that 3 was the defacto most popular game in the series.

[Anonymous No.5093639]

>>5093502
>it even got a PSP rerelease due to how popular it is.
II got GBA/Wii U/3DS re-releases too.

[Anonymous No.5093643]

>>5093635
You can say it loudly if you want, but I just speak for myself. I like 4 a lot more than 3, but still think it's a good game and regard it highly. 2 is better than 1, I'll give it that but I'm not that fond of it. You're welcome to praise it all day long if you want though.

[Anonymous No.5093649]

>>5093643
>I just speak for myself
But you said 4 is good because "scores". 2 has the same scores as 4, actually, by the same amount of voters.

[Anonymous No.5093659]

>>5093649
I go into why I like it here. The scores were just brought up to illustrate that saying 3 was clearly more popular isn't necessarily true. Never bothered to look at 2's honestly. If it's got people who think it's the best, great on that too.

>>5087751
>>5087769

[Anonymous No.5093716]

>>5093547
>a censorfag appears
the only issue would be that death scene, everything else that was "censored" was trivial fanservice weeb shit

nothing game breaking

[Anonymous No.5094863]

>>5093716
What did they censor?

[Anonymous No.5095020]

>>5093516
>Nioh, any mobage game, like Azure Lane.
None of those have either chinese or korean settings or themes, actually study geography and get some basic grasp of what exists outside your room before calling anyone else subhuman, you pathetic excuse of man.
>>5093527
>4 has Japanese setting and rips off Imperial Japan circa WWII
The western empire is literally a fantasy mixture based off chinese and korean aesthetics down to the names.
>>5093639
II got one cheapass GBA port together with I because the GBA was SNES port central, and considering Wii U/3DS E-shop roms as re-releases is completely ridiculous, also because by your own argument that would mean BoF III got "rereleased" on PS3, PSP(two times) and PSVita(two times), giving it a grand total of 6 releases, 8 if you count a Vita TV as yet another separate platform for some ridiculous reason.
>>5094863
Fu-Lu beheading the emperor, usual hot spring scene and Ursula lowering her pants in front of the sailors.

[Anonymous No.5095181]

>>5095020
Go take some tablets.

[Anonymous No.5095531]

>>5087159
>ryu
>ree-you
Every fucking time.

[Anonymous No.5095928]

>>5095531
What do you say?

[Anonymous No.5096176]

>>5095928
Ree-Oo.

[Anonymous No.5096374]

>>5088343
Cringe contrarianism. I played the FF games in chronological order and VII was by far the best narratively and the most affecting

[Anonymous No.5097425]

>>5087003
God damn 3 was so comfy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2Yr3ltoTp8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jxPCMTxMQo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iH22URxWlRc

[Anonymous No.5098510]

I love three so much. I played it at least ten times.

[Anonymous No.5100921]

>>5093512
Well, not bad... but I'd rank them up there with those but they'd all be there for different reasons pretty much. kek

[Anonymous No.5100936]

>>5087171
It's funny. I envy these guys gull to even show their face out in public. I wish I had that kind of blind self reflection.

[Anonymous No.5101098]

Whats the difference between the PS1 and PSP versions? I started playing the PSP recently and i'm quite enjoying it so far.