/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.5084662]

>Try to play an Ultima game for the first time to see how proto Tibia is like

This is an exact quote.
>This game is a world of its own. Every person in the game has a personality, and you will really care about the world of Britannia when you play this. This feels more like a vacation than a game. Please do yourself a favor and grab this one now so you can see what I'm talking about.

>wow sounds good let's get ultima 7
>hmmmm serpent isle? sure whatever
>game starts normally
>partners disappear
>walking as if each tile was a cpu cycle in and of itself
>NPCs groan on about incoherent nonsense that I cant skip
>this

Is this the most schizophrenic game or what? I never felt so dazed trying to understand a game in my life. Where can I get an old school RPG experience?

[Anonymous No.5084690]

Are you using Exult?

[Anonymous No.5084835]

>NPCs speaking nonsense
>Oink!
Looks like someone didn't pass the copy-protection mechanism. Next time, read the manual before you start the game.

[Anonymous No.5084858]

play black gate if legit

[Anonymous No.5084915]

>>5084662
starting with serpent isle is madness, start with black gate or play the enlightenment trilogy

[Anonymous No.5084917]

Start with 4 instead so you actually understand the virtues and the role of the avatar.
Or play Savage Empire if you want a taste of what the later games are like without being weighed down by the background.

[Anonymous No.5084981]

>>5084917
How about you take your "playing for the story" and shove it?

[Anonymous No.5084991]

>>5084981
May I suggest some Wizardry for you?

[Anonymous No.5085037]

>>5084662
>Ultima
>Proto Tibia

[Anonymous No.5085038]

>>5084981
Anon, but first three games are simply boring to play. It's just half-baked dungeon crawling. So it's less of "muh story" (especially since it's pretty standard and straight-forward) and much more about "the game doesn't suck anymore"

[Anonymous No.5085046]

>>5085038
But Ultima 4 still sucks. Ultima 5-6 are the actually good ones.

[Anonymous No.5085050]

>>5085046
They are better because they build upon 4's groundwork.

[Anonymous No.5085053]

>>5085050
You could say the same about U1-3. He could just read up about Ultima 4 and spare himself the tedious gameplay.

[Anonymous No.5085058]

>>5085053
It's not the same. 4 had nothing to do with 1-3 beyond a few returning names.
Meanwhile 5 lets you revisit the world from 4, meet old companions and expands upon the concept of the virtues introduced in 4.

You don't have to finish 4 to the bitter end but you should spend some time exploring the land and cities. The important part is comprehending the virtues, not mastering the Abyss.

[Anonymous No.5085093]

>>5085046
Consider the following:
4 took generic dungeon crawler and made it into one of the most impactful designs in cRPG of its era. The setting as such managed to exists until early 00s, with continous games being released

[Anonymous No.5085097]

>>5085093
But it's still a boring game to play.

[Anonymous No.5085102]

>>5085097
... have you played 1-3? Because I don't think so

[Anonymous No.5085103]

>>5085097
If you think 4 is boring then you won't like the later games either.

[Anonymous No.5085106]

>>5085102
>>5085103
I've liked 5 and didn't like 4 so there. 1-3 are fundamentally broken so they're obviously worse then either.

[Anonymous No.5085110]

>>5085106
Why? What did 5 add that you missed in 4?

[Anonymous No.5085119]

>>5085110
It eschewed all the tedious virtue grinding in favor of interesting puzzles, the game actually finally feels like a cRPG instead of the stats being pretty much meaningless, the combat controls much better and is less frequent, the NPCs are a bit more fleshed out than 4's hollow RUNE/MANTRA dispensers, and also balance - you can actually get your shit pushed in fairly easily in 5.

[Anonymous No.5085131]

>>5085119
So you didn't actually mind talking to people and exploring the world in 4?
Did you see how hollow 5 becomes without previous experience of Britannia?

[Anonymous No.5085145]

>>5085131
>So you didn't actually mind talking to people and exploring the world in 4?
As I said, they have basically nothing to say in 4.
>Did you see how hollow 5 becomes without previous experience of Britannia?
While retaining cursory knowledge of where specific cities and other locations were (cutting down on early exploration) and seeing them in a more developed manner was cute, it definitely wasn't a dealbreaker.

[Anonymous No.5085153]

>>5085145
Every NPC in 4 has half a dozen responses. It was a major step up from 2 or 3 where they only had a single sentence.
Do you think having your ingrained virtues twisted beyond recognition wasn't a big deal either?

Starting in 4 by visiting all the towns and talking to everybody isn't a huge time investment and gives you a far greater appreciation of the series than directly jumping into the sequels. Maxing out the virtues, collecting stones etc is skippable filler.

[Anonymous No.5085184]

6 did better the npc is an unique life thing.

[Anonymous No.5085190]

>>5085184
Really? 7 certainly had better dialog/conversation trees at the very least.

[Anonymous No.5085206]

>>5085190
BG got ruined by the fixed tree structure. No longer could you ask about a single keyword instead of having to navigate the entire tree again.

[Anonymous No.5085218]

fuck off brazilian monkey, only subhumans like you play Tibia
get your hands off the game series that shaped open world games and the RPG genre

[Anonymous No.5085258]

>>5085218
I am a polish vodkanigger, we also play tibia.
Third group of people playing tibia are swedish snowniggers.
That being said, if anyone wants to start playing Tibia, im happy to help you if you start on server Monza. I wont give any free items because im poor as a church mouse, but i can explain you in depth mechanics, help with quests and later help with exp.
Just post your nick in this thread.

[Anonymous No.5085294]

Okay /vr/, I've been wanting to get into Ultima for many years. Where should I start?

I played Ultima Online back when it was released, and Exodus on the nes but I never got anywhere because I had no idea what do to/how to play.

[Anonymous No.5085305]

>>5085294
You can start with 1 or 3 if you want something simple to start.
4 is where the real continuity starts and shouldn't be skipped. Play the SMS port or the modern xu4 engine depending on your preferences.

>how to play
-read the manual
-talk to everybody about everything
-keep notes

[Anonymous No.5085312]

>>5085305
I also tried Ultima 1 long ago (without getting any kind of documentation), and it felt like a proto Wizardry. Are those 3 games really worth the effort?

[Anonymous No.5085315]

>>5085312
Wizardry is rather different with a fixed dungeon and a party instead of single characters. Ultima 1 dungeons are more Rogue like.
U1 doesn't really take a lot of effort. You can do everything possible in a single day.

2 is an unfortunate case of the creator being unable to realize his intentions. There were some nice ideas but the implementation is terrible. It also got completely retconned in the later games that you shouldn't even play it for references.

3 is alright but not very remarkable.

[Anonymous No.5085325]

>>5084858
superior lesbian sex coming through

[Anonymous No.5085351]

>>5084662
>wow sounds good let's get ultima 7
>hmmmm serpent isle? sure whatever
maybe you should have tried the first part first

[Anonymous No.5085354]

if you play Ultima and you don't start with 4 you are doing it wrong and should feel bad

[Anonymous No.5085357]

>>5085258
first off it says Ultima 7 part 2:Serpent Isle, why the fuck would you start with that
start with Ultima 4 or 5, install the patch that adds music, and go from there
if you play Ultima 4-8 and Ultima Underworld 1 and 2 you can invest 1 thousand+ hours

[Anonymous No.5085945]

>>5085325

[Anonymous No.5085954]

>>5085325
Nothing beats the magic axe.

[Anonymous No.5086170]

anyone got any tips for Ultima 5?
i'm in Corvetous right now and all my guys are level 4, any tips on how i can farm some shit to level up
i ran in the room with 4 dragons and i can't get further, and yes all my guys have magic axes

[Anonymous No.5086183]

>>5084662
>Where can I get an old school RPG experience?

[Anonymous No.5086352]

>>5084662
>Every person in the game has a personality, and you will really care about the world of Britannia when you play this.
Look.

Standards were lower back then. I don't see how people can still be playing /vr/ games and not understand this basic concept.

But yes, you are doing it wrong, and also you're a faggot.

[Anonymous No.5086373]

>>5086352
what are you talking about man, Ultima 7 is perhaps the greatest RPG of all time and many modern games still don't do what Ultima did

[Anonymous No.5087257]

>>5086170
Maybe try the gargoyles in castle Britain.
I also ran around with just my avatar but that was partly because I couldn't afford more magic axes.

[Anonymous No.5088945]

Guys, how do I into Ultima? I've beaten Ultima Underworld, got stuck after the Prison Tower in UU2 (other worlds didnt open for some reason), and I tried to beat Ultima 1 but it was just a little bit convoluted and grindy without a guide. I'd really like to play ALL of them in order though. Any tips?

[Anonymous No.5088949]

>>playing RPG's
wew

[Anonymous No.5089041]

>>5084662
I know I would love this game but the perspective is the worst thing I've ever seen. It's just hideous.

[Anonymous No.5089248]

>this entire thread

[Anonymous No.5089426]

>>5088949
Right? Fuckin nerds!

[Anonymous No.5089463]

>>5088945
I don't think a guide changes anything in Ultima 1.
Build gold and HP by staying on floor 1 in the dungeons.
Buy an aircar.
Max your stats by exploring the various wonders in the overworld.
Buy the ladder spells to quickly complete the dungeon quests.
Kill the jester and free the princess.
Buy a shuttle and become space ace.
Enter the time machine and kill Mondain.

Use a guide for 2 if you absolutely have to play it. That game is next to impossible to figure out.

[Anonymous No.5089640]

>>5089463
Ultima 2 has to be the only game I've played where a guide doesn't make it any clearer what you're supposed to be doing. It's such a clusterfuck.

[Anonymous No.5089697]

I absolutely loved Ultima Underworld 1 and 2 but I can't get over the overly simplistic looking graphics of Ultima 5 that make me think the mechanics are restrictive as well. What do?

Can I start with VI? Ideally I want to play VII but if you guys say it's a bad idea..

[Anonymous No.5089716]

Serpent Isle is the sequel, it says "part 2" in the title, dummy.

[Anonymous No.5089781]

>>5089463
Alright I'll give it another go. Thanks!

[Anonymous No.5090254]

>>5089697
You can play Ultima 5 Lazarus if it matters so much and aren't bothered by extra fan fiction.
Starting with 6 is just as dumb as starting with 7. 4 has various tilesets to choose from in xu4 so graphics shouldn't be too much of a problem.

[Anonymous No.5090582]

>>5089640
It may not make sense on why you have to give tons of gold to some random dude but at least the guide tells you how much you have to pay to which person.

[Anonymous No.5090702]

I got Ultima 8 and 9 for less than a buck each. Are there good games buried under all the bugs and shit? Can I reasonably unfuck them and have a fun time?

[Anonymous No.5090710]

>>5090702
Ultima 9 is fine when you look past the writing and get the most recent patch.
8 is too cut down to repair.

[Anonymous No.5091037]

>>5090702
8 is fine, it was rushed and unfinished but it's beautiful and the setting is interesting. fun to run around and explore. absolutely worth playing.

[Anonymous No.5091678]

>>5091037
>fun to run around and explore.
Doing that will have you drown in a puddle.

[Anonymous No.5091750]

Ultima has such a weird control scheme, I want to try online but it ain't free.

Tibia has looked so good since i first tried it in 2007, but fuck they can't get the server lag problem fixed.

[Anonymous No.5091845]

>>5090702
You had better have Gold Edition for Ultima 8, because the vanilla version is even buggier, has even more missing content, and the jumping is FUCKED.

[Anonymous No.5092061]

>>5084662
First: READ THE GAME MANUAL
Second: START WITH ULTIMA 7 THE BLACK GATE, THE SERPENT ISLE IS THE SECOND PART OF THE STORY.

Ideally you should start from Ultima IV but you can enjoy Ultima 7 regardless

>Where can I get an old school RPG experience
U7 is Top 5 RPG from all time, if you think that RPG equals to non-ending grinding then just go back toTibia

[Anonymous No.5092091]

>>5092061
>THE SERPENT ISLE IS THE SECOND PART OF THE STORY.
It's the third part of the guardian storyline. Second is Underworld 2: Labyrinth of Worlds.

[Anonymous No.5092168]

>>5085037
He'll never understand that rpg games are about the toons you make and level grind, not about story. Ultima doesn't have interesting enough toons so I skipped the series.

[Anonymous No.5092506]

Ill ask here.

>start playing pic related
What the fuck happened? How does a game control worse than Gothic?

[Anonymous No.5092509]

>>5092168
Kinda based. Idk wtf a toon is but generally i play games for the aesthetic,enemy design and the combat/weapons used to kill them. I like story but i swear not a single game has a story where i actually give a fuck other than Dark Souls and it doesnt have a story really. But the lore is enamoring

[Anonymous No.5092512]

>>5092506
It came out before Gothic.
There's nothing wrong with the controls.

[Anonymous No.5092704]

>>5092512
Oooohohoh yes there is

[Anonymous No.5092708]

>>5092704
What do you think is wrong with them?

[Anonymous No.5092893]

>>5085325
>>5084858
What was Ultima 7 age rating?

[Anonymous No.5092901]

>>5092893
There was no official age rating for computer games back then but they advertised it as MP-13 for mature players.

[Anonymous No.5093714]

>>5092708
Have you played Ultima 9?

[Anonymous No.5093729]

>>5093714
Yes and I find the controls worked really well, especially considering it was treading new territory.

[Anonymous No.5093737]

any advice on playing underworld (1 or 2, guess i start with 1 barring some massive issues)

[Anonymous No.5093748]

>>5093737
Underworld 2 is a direct sequel to Black Gate. It makes most sense to play it as part of the series.
Underworld 1 on the other hand is relatively detached and works well on its own.

Read the manual, don't non hostiles creatures and rotate your saves.
Your strength determines the difficulty. The higher it is, the more you can carry and the easier you learn the important combat skills. The game can be beaten with minimum strength but requires more backtracking and planning.
Most of the non-combat, non-magic skills are irrelevant.

[Anonymous No.5093782]

>>5093748
>Most of the non-combat, non-magic skills are irrelevant.

I wouldn't go that far. They're NON-ESSENTIAL, but they're still useful.

[Anonymous No.5093802]

>>5093782
Acrobat, at least a few points in it, is useful as it reduces falling damage.
Repair can be useful for stuff Shak doesn't want to repair or simply to kill time while waiting for him to repair things.
Charisma and appraise don't matter because there aren't enough people to trade with and you can easily get goods to trade.
Track is pointless because enemies aren't hidden.
Traps does nothing.
Picklock can be useful but most locks have a key and you get the unlock spell later on. Not to mention you can bash every pickable lock.
Swimming becomes pointless once you get water walk and before that you can get by well enough without the skill.
Stealth is pointless, you don't want to avoid enemies.

[Anonymous No.5094871]

>>5093737
Swimming is arguably a useless skill. Lore is surprisingly useful.

[Anonymous No.5095278]

>>5093748
>don't non hostiles creatures
Are you telling me not to fuck with npcs/non aggressives? also thank you guys for the posts

[Anonymous No.5095561]

>>5095278
Yes. Pay attention when picking up things, some items belong to somebody and they don't like it when you take them.

[Anonymous No.5095570]

>>5095561
thank you for the sage advice I will get to playing it tomorrow.

[Anonymous No.5095840]

having an Ultima thread on /vr/ is really nice and comfy, these game series are not talked about enough, i consider them superior to Wizardry and Might and Magic has a special place in my heart

[Anonymous No.5096829]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueTc6jhl-1I
Ultima VI Intro, man
One of the best /vr/ themes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ue3QrAH6Nw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDHsZapeMSE
Are the only ones that that just as memorable to me

[Anonymous No.5097739]

>>5096829
The problem is that the game randomly cycles through three songs most of the time.

[Anonymous No.5098694]

>>5096829
i love the ost in ultima 6 but for some reason i could never get into it