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Why Capcom arcade ports run so poorly on the PS1 compared to the Saturn?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2C-jpMQmFY

>> No.5055146

>>5055143
The short version is the PS1 was designed with 3D in mind while the Saturn was designed with 2D in mind, then they hastily had to add some 3D capability.

>> No.5055149

Didn't Saturn have some RAM cart addon thing

>> No.5055151

>>5055149
It did.

>> No.5055206

>>5055149
Yeah but even without the RAM cart, Capcom ports on Saturn were better than PS1 ports, see: Street Fighter Alpha 1 and 2.

>> No.5055350

there are a few decent ones OP, SF Alpha 3, Darkstalkers 3 and Jojos Bizzare Adventure play pretty well.

>> No.5055414

I believe it was due to the lack VRAM, which even the Saturn by itself had twice as much as the PS1. What's really embarrassing is the load times on the PS1 versions.

>>5055350
>SF Alpha 3, Darkstalkers 3
And with the RAM cart absolutely curb stomp the PS1 versions. SFA3 on Saturn even manages to out perform the Dreamcast port in places.

>> No.5055437

>>5055414
>SFA3 on Saturn even manages to out perform the Dreamcast port in places.

LIKE WHAT?

>> No.5055451

>>5055143
Buying Saturn games these days is out of the question, I'm not a fucking millionaire. Are there any issues with emulating?

Also are there any to avoid altogether? I hear that Marvel Super Heroes is shitty even on Saturn

>> No.5055473

>>5055451
>Are there any issues with emulating?
Yes, but if you're patient Saturn emulation is decent. Use Mednafen for usability, or SSF for compatibility and if you're on a toaster.
>>5055437
Too lazy to look it up, but there are videos showing differences between the SFA3. I distinctly recall T Hawk has an added walking backwards animation exclusive to the Saturn port.

>> No.5055475

>>5055451
Isn't modding a Saturn to play burned discs easy?

>> No.5055483

>>5055143
3D games don't require as much RAM as 2D. Saturn could handle it better.

I thought SFA3 for PS1 was OK

>> No.5055485

Because Sega did what Sonydidn't

>> No.5055491

>>5055475
My problem is finding one with a working laser to read any disc

>> No.5055515

>>5055437
this is true, alpha 3 on saturn is still one of the best ports of the game, it's 99.9% perfect

>> No.5055527

>>5055491
get a jap one for cheap, mine came new in box for like 30 or 40 bucks

>> No.5055534

>>5055527
Why do Jap kids take care of their shit while Americans abuse it?

>> No.5055579

>>5055143
That’s cherry picking
Most of the time there were minimal differences

This wasn’t like comparing snes vs genesis vs turbografx ports

>> No.5055606

>>5055579
>minimal difference
>the whole gimmick of the game was butchered just to work on ps1 hardware

>> No.5055636

>>5055579
>minimal differences
>no tag team

>> No.5055672

>>5055534
It's a more respectful culture for the most part that embraces respect. Where as in the USA you embrace culture that is degenerate and repulsive. example Someone like Snoop Dog would be ridiculed and shunned in Japan. But in America you give him millions to smoke drugs and say stupid things. And you do that with many things. You have Jersey Shore where you follow the lives of people that are clearly no benefit to society and pay them tons of money to be stupid. The Youth in America copy and repeat this. Everything from the media promotes careless and throw away lifestyle. You also have much more and live in bigger houses and own more things in general. Whereas the average Japanese has less room for things. So the things that are owned are treated better.

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>>5055672

>> No.5055764

>>5055672
But on the other hand you yellow fucks cut up women and keep their bodies in bathtubs full of sand. And you sewed chinese women together to make siamese twins back in WW2, as a joke. And you killed Andy Garcia. So you can all fuck off.

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5055787

>>5055579
>removing the main tag mechanic
>literally dozens of missing animations on every character even casual players can spot
>those fucking load times
>minimal
Let me guess, you got them as a kid and spent the last 20 years trying convince yourself you didn't get ripped off?

>> No.5055789

>>5055764
Yeah, because Americans don't commit batshit insane murders and of course USA is free of guilty of any war crimes.
How is any of that related to how kids take care of their vidya?

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5055793

>>5055764
>And you sewed chinese women together to make siamese twins back in WW2
Good gweilo, avenge the six trillion comfort women!

>> No.5055796

>>5055143
Not enough RAM to hold all the individual frames of animation (that shit takes up a lot of space and needs to be in RAM for lightning fast access).
>>5055206
By default the Saturn still had more RAM and just handled 2D better in general.
>>5055437
Bigger sprites. More animation. Better colours. More responsive controls. DC sprites are in incorrect proportions etc.
>>5055451
>Are there any issues with emulating?
Saturn emulators (SSF, Mednafen, Yabause and even that new one Nova) all have a minimum 5 frames of lag and that's not including lag from your OS/drivers/buffering/vsync, Display, Controllers, etc so it's actually much worse than 5 frames when you ad it all up.
You cannot disable this in any way unless you re-write those emulators entirely yourself from the ground up.
Finalburn through retroarch is good as long as you enable readahead mode (assuming read ahead works with those games, i haven't tested it yet but it doesn't work with all games).
Groovymame and a CRT would be the gold standard method of emulating these games.
The Arcade versions all run at a higher resolution than even the Saturn/DC ports too by the way.
>>5055451
>Also are there any to avoid altogether?
Capcom ports on Saturn are all good. It's the SNK ones that are pretty crap because they only used 1MB ram expansion for some retarded reason, instead of the full 4MB. Waku Waku 7 is especially awful and Metal Slug has loading screens in the middle of levels for eg. Real Bout is pretty decent though.
>>5055475
You don't even have to mod it, you can just do a disc swap.
>>5055579
>minimal differences
Righto m8

>> No.5056401

>>5055206
lol what. I'd gladly take some slightly inferior 2d ports than barely functional 3d

>> No.5056462

>>5056401
Not the point. Saturn still does better 2D without the extra ram