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What do you think of Akira Toriyama's art style?

>> No.5049940

>>5049938
It's a good game despite it.

>> No.5049939

>>5049938
Honestly I can’t stand his human designs but love everything else.

>> No.5049943

It's alright

>> No.5049946

>>5049938
love his DQ designs

>> No.5049947

It'd be good if he could create more than the same handful of characters over and over again. I think we're lucky that CT was a SNES game so the true style doesn't really show through in the sprites. Every time I play Dragon Quest 8 I just feel like I'm playing some bootleg DBZ RPG.

>> No.5049987

His humans are a mixed bag, some are brilliant and iconic and some are derivative and bland. His monsters, animals, robots and the like are always top notch.

>> No.5050116

>>5049938
It's pretty good, iconic, but he reuses designs too much and it makes the settings all look kind of samey.

I dig the way he draws technology the most, and it's a shame he tends not to focus on that.

>> No.5050298

>>5049938
I like it and it's pretty iconic and nice. While he does change up his style from time to time it still suffers from a hard same-face effect.

>> No.5050314

>>5049938
he's such an hack

>> No.5050760

Iconic design that has since become disfavored. It looks really good with washed out colors but not so much with modern digital colors. The humans are pretty copy-paste but I really dig how he drew muscular guys and thicc girls back in the day. His modern style of making them skinny is disappointing.

>> No.5050819

>>5049938
personally, I love his style, it's much different than any other anime look.

The game is, in my plebian opinions, the best snes rpg

>> No.5050839
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5050839

>>5049938

>> No.5050859

His backgrounds, landscapes, buildings and automobiles are insanely good and unique.

>> No.5050872
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5050872

It works really well for early 3D.

>> No.5050879
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5050879

Fucking hack, we could have had a much cooler roster.

>> No.5050885

>>5050879
Wow, this is terrible

>> No.5050886
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5050886

>>5049939
>no comfy Outrun-style driving game with AT vehicle and character designs

>> No.5050890

>>5050872
I still have nightmares from the final roguelike dungeon in that game.

>> No.5050895

>>5050879
This looks generic too, just in a different art style.

>> No.5050903
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5050903

>>5050885
Too bad there's no cure for your shit taste.

>> No.5050907

>>5050879
Digging that Ayla, but the rest isn't exactly better or anything.

>> No.5050918

>>5050879
Holy shit i fucking hate Toriyama, fucking hack

>> No.5050920

>>5050907
>>5050895

That's cleary a rough, early sketch. The final ones would have been much more fleshed out

>> No.5050937

>>5050920
Nah we already have plenty of generic fanart of crono and co. and cross already did a reinterpretation of the character archetypes

>> No.5050968

always been a fan of it
it's the right blend of cartoony and animeish designs

>> No.5051035

>>5049947
I feel the same except I like vegeta a lot so it makes me like CT and DQ. No questioning it's shonen shit though

>> No.5051064

Every notice it'ss almost ONLY Americans that dislike Toriyama, and that it's because they just think of him as "that guy that made that really awfully dubbed anime a bunch of annoying kids at school were into when I was a kid"?

>> No.5051069

>>5051064
no haven't noticed

>> No.5051138

>>5049938
It's kinda funny; I hated this artstyle when I was younger but playing Chrono Trigger later on made it grow on me and I like/appreciate it a lot more now

>> No.5051515

>>>>5050879
everyone in that roster except for ayla looks worse.

>> No.5051534

>>5049938
Ironically the more forgettable feature of a great game.

>> No.5051535

his people are all built like midgets. it distracts the hell out of me.

>> No.5051541
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5051541

Love Toriyama.

>> No.5051565

>>5049938
It looks good on the cover, but in game it looks pretty crap. The backgrounds in that game are fantastic but all the monster sprites look goofy and retarded.

>> No.5051580
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5051580

>>5049938
It's shit.

>> No.5051668

>>5051534
But unironically, the lack of Toriyama art in the next title is a big reason why Crono failed to become a franchise.

>> No.5051689

>>5050920
Fleshing out is not the problem. There's just not as much personality or distinctiveness there. Plus they look much more "typical anime" especially the Lucca and Marle concepts. Though I agree with the others that the Ayla is certainly more attractive.

>> No.5051692

>>5051580
Crono > Ryu but the girls look good.

>> No.5051786
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5051786

>>5049943
>>5050314
>>5050918
best character designs

>> No.5051794

>>5051786
bleh I hate his post-90's artwork, it's so designs are bland and the shading sucks.

>> No.5051798

>>5051786
Most of U6 desgins are so bland. Hit sucks.
Some other Super designs I like though. Jiren is a badass.

>> No.5051804

>>5049987
>some are derivative
>some

>> No.5051805

>>5051786
I really like that robot.

But everything else is trash.

>> No.5051806

>>5051805
Monaka is funny as hell.

>> No.5051808

Iconic but also self derivitive. It is what it is.

>> No.5051809
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5051809

>>5051064
>DBZ
>awful

>> No.5051839

>>5051668

I think so, Cross isn't a bad looking game by any means but god damn do its characters look generic as fuck. I'd say Square should have paid up and got him on board again but god knows what else they were funneling money into between the film, games and everything else.

>> No.5051913

>>5051839
> god damn do its characters look generic as fuck
And more importantly, not like Chrono Trigger. The first impression a casual CT fan will have when seeing that box art is "that looks nothing like Chrono Trigger." The next thought is "the game is probably nothing like Chrono Trigger" and so they'll be less likely to buy it based on their appreciation for the original.

>> No.5052057

>>5051809
The series itself is fun, but the English dub is absolute garbage and most definitely to blame for the English-speaking world having a lot less respect for the franchise, and Toriyama, than everywhere else.

>> No.5053917
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5053917

It looks really good in blocky low-poly.

>> No.5053929

>>5053917
man I wish tobal was a dbz fighting game instead of that garbage that was final bout.

>> No.5053946
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5053946

Once you go block...

>> No.5053950
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5053950

>>5053929
And the FB models were quite high-poly for the game, yet the game was pure crap and looked bad.

>> No.5053969
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5053969

I love Toriyama's use of colors, he's an amazing machine designer, an amazing storyteller (the only one up to Tezuka's narrative skills), but he's not a good writer and can be really lazy.

>>5053929
What I really wish is a true Dragon Ball fighting game. Original Dragon Ball, not Z.
To this day we never got a good wuxia inspired fighting game.

As we'll never get a comfy vehicle game with Toriyama designs. Or a Tobal 3...

>> No.5053981

>>5053950
don't forget how terrible the animations where also

>>5053969
yeah a db game would work best with tobal's fighting game engine, especially two where you could throw kil blasts.

>> No.5053991

>>5050879
Hot garbage.

>> No.5054008
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5054008

>>5053981
A Dragon Ball fighting game would be a (even) more acrobatic Tobal with blasts.

Tobal is amazing when you understand it and stop trying to play it like Tekken.

>> No.5054031

>>5054008
for sure, the brilliance of the game comes from it's grappling system and virtua fighter punch, kick, block simple realistic fighting mechanics. it's kind of like a vf clone with more flair, and that's not a bad thing at all.

>> No.5054046

>>5049938
Its great and way better than the shit popular anime you see today. Fucking bug eyed little girls that cringe nerd neckbeards call their waifus.

>> No.5054059
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5054059

Very good stuff. My favorite's come from his late 80s early 90s work on Dragon Ball/Radditz Saga DBZ. His work peaked in the mid 90's imo.

>> No.5055152

I can tolerate his humans when they're drawn by someone else. Could care less about his monsters, even those have their own sameface set. I think he shines the most when it comes to machines.

>> No.5057151

>>5051794
>bleh I hate his post-90's artwork
Sandland is probably the slickest thing the guy ever drew. I'll never understand why people shit on early 2000's Toriyama.

>> No.5057284

something about his style is sickening and i can't pinpoint why.

>> No.5057307

>>5051809
Not as good as Dragon Ball. I only say that because they started drawing it out too much and it became so much more formulaic. The strongest fighemters on earth get their collective ass kicked and a saiyan saves them somehow. I haven't watched Kai, but it's definetly not the dub that turns me away from it now. The movies on the other hand I still like, more focused.

>> No.5057336

>>5057307
The movies are great and I wish they got more love. Freiza saga is still my fav, because it combines the adventure of dragon ball with the super powered fighting of Z. Not to mention the villian actually seemed like a real threat to everyone. At that point in the story if Vegeta was scared you know you were in trouble.

>> No.5057558

>>5054008
I'd play the fuck out of a dungeon crawler like tobal's quest mode but with dragon ball characters. Damn, makes me pine for something that could have been.

>> No.5057568

>>5049938
I like it when he can control his urge to make everyone look roided out. His mechanical designs are pretty good too.

>> No.5057574

>>5050879
Damn, I can't decide if Marle or Lucca is cuter.

>> No.5057576

>>5053946
...you never go bock?

>> No.5057605

>>5053946
you suck a fat cock?

>> No.5057840

I liked it better when it wasn't all obviously digitized

>> No.5057846

>>5049938
cool robots, funny animal friends, 4 vegetas side by side

>> No.5057848

>>5050879
I like that they still used this aesthetic for Rudra instead of tossing it

>> No.5057894

Not an anime fan but I like CT's art.
Make of that what you will.

>> No.5057973

CT question: Do enemies get harder in NG+?

>> No.5058207

>>5057973
Nope. The mode is mostly used for you to be able to speed through replays and get the other endings.

>> No.5058224

>>5051064
t. beaner

>>5051798
Hit looks awful in lineart, but can look pretty good in animation and DBFZ

>> No.5058226

>>5049938
It's iconic at best, self-derivative at worst. But being self-derivative is better than being unrecognizable.

>> No.5058230

His monster and robot designs are always pretty cool, but his human/alien designs have really taken a hit in the past twenty years.

>> No.5058234

>>5051064
No, and also the Funimation dub of DBZ is fantastic. It's really the only anime where I believe the English dub is preferable to subs with original audio. In Japan most of the characters sound like children, while in the US the men sound like men. Makes everything seem a bit more badass.

>> No.5058238

>>5058234
Japan tends to try to retain voice actors, hence why Goku remains voiced by an old lady.

>> No.5058243

>>5058234
I like the Funimation cast in pretty much everything EXCEPT the original anime. Kai, video games, the newer movies, Super are great, but the original DB and Z dubs really don't hold up.
>In Japan most of the characters sound like children
Really only Goku and family and to an extent Krillin. Vegeta and Cell are manly as fuck in Japanese.

>> No.5058407

>>5049938
Frog's frogling Ayla's tits

>> No.5058724
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>>5051064
Yeah I've noticed. Toriyama is loved throughout the world and is an institution in Japan thanks to Dragon Quest, Dr. Slump and Dragon Ball. The fans who defend the funi dub are, I I put this nicely, wrong. Sub is the best but some credit is due for the Ocean dub, it's a bit closer to the original Japanese.

inb4 Goku sounds like a grandma

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5058741

>>5049947
Toriyama is a very capable artist able to do a variety of character types and designs; what people should realize is that artists get hired to provide a certain style; if they're an established artist its usually based on a popular work they've done. This goes across the board, really, for any creative types. ITs why you get so many complaints about ____ always sounding/looking the same; they're literally being paid to create a familiar, safe product.

Square wanted their RPG to look like Dragon Ball(specifically the latter volumes the anime would adapt as DBZ), not Dr. Slump, thats why everything looks like they could come from DBZ.

>> No.5058796

>tfw he told in an interview that he made his style so angular because people kept complaining about his style becoming too angular
kek, master trole

>> No.5058828

I love his Dragon Quest designs

>> No.5058838

>>5051064
I don't like Toriyama's art because it's ugly and all his characters have gigantic foreheads and all his monsters look the same in everything he does.

>> No.5058881

>>5058741
Stop talking out of your ass. That picture is not "Toriyama's Dr. Slump style", it's "Toriyama's very early 80s style". Late Dr. Slump and early Dragonball looks very similar because they were drawn around the same time, and that's how Toriyama drew at that point. Likewise, Chrono Trigger is drawn in Toriyama's mid 90s style, which is the one you burgers associate with "deebeezee".

>> No.5059091

>>5058724
> dub
> sub
The anime itself is trash and the only correct way to experience the story is to read the manga.

>> No.5059196

>>5050879
>we never got the 10th character in the game and never will
Fuck this timeline.

>> No.5061198

>>5049939
Pretty much this. His creature designs are really endearing but all his characters look the same and sometimes just really bad. I hate the way he does spiky hair but I could never get into something like dbz because everyone looks the fucking same.

the best I can say is he makes some really good fem designs, that chick from the new DQ is pretty banging, still has sameface tho

>> No.5061214

>>5051809
It sucks dick, only the buu saga is good, kid goku db is superior in every way

>> No.5061224

funimation should sue this guy
he blatantly ripped off dragon ball z design

>> No.5062797

So what's the appeal of Dragon Quest? I've been looking for an excuse to try these games out. From my uninformed perspective they look like very simple JRPGs.

>> No.5062989

>>5058724

The Ocean dub is based and captures the characters far better, no idea why it gets a bad rap, the wrong guys won.

>> No.5063040

>>5062989
People just like what they grew up with I guess. Even back as I kid I remember liking the ocean dub more, especially Vegeta, he had a really distinct voice. Funi Vegeta is just so gruff and 2manly4u.

>> No.5063062

i think IT SUCKS

>> No.5063384
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>>5049938
A poor man's Yamamoto down to the mechanical designs.
Not retro nor videogames either way.

>> No.5063412
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>>5049938
Cheerful, cartoony, toy-like, evocative and immediately recognizable. The dude's fame is well-deserved. What people don't understand is that creating such a distinct style is much harder than learning to draw many different hairstyles or some such stupid shit. There are literally millions of artists who can paint realistic shit or design properly-proportioned comic book characters, but all of them are the same and none are wors SHIT. Toriyama meanwhile focuses on the important part of cartoonism and does os with some fucking gusto.

>> No.5063483

Lady red's oneshot was weird mostly because you see the DB announcer raping a girl.

>> No.5065374
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5065374

Love him.

>> No.5065593

I love his monster and mech designs, his color and especially when it looks like Moebius.
It's a shame Z completely overshadows DB, because it's much better and deserves some cool games.

>> No.5065621

>>5065593
There's actually quite a few non /vr/ dragon ball games mostly on handhelds. I'd say it's actually Z that got shafted with shitty games.

>> No.5065724

>>5049938
shit

>> No.5065736
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>>5058741
>>5058881
Not only early 80s Toriyama style but most mangaka used to have this style in the early80s, Toriyama got his own style at the middle of Dr.Slump and "evolved" since then, for me his peak was at the Freeza saga or with Dragon Quest V early 90s or whatever you wanna call it.

>> No.5065743
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>>5065736

>> No.5066161

>>5050879
Generic 90s art/10

>> No.5066164

>>5049938
>what do you think of Akira Toriyama's art style?
Fantastic light comedian. His stories are silly, easy-going and funny

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>> No.5066201

>>5049938
https://www.twitch.tv/kilohalo5

>> No.5066202

>>5049938
Got me into Anime and Manga so I'm biased af, but I really look forward to pretty much everything he's been a part of, with a few exceptions here and there.

>> No.5066214

>>5049938
It's amazing.

>> No.5066225

>>5049938
He makes cute girls

>> No.5066417
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>>5066225
Can't deny this, I had crushes on Chichi and Bulma when I was a wee shota

>> No.5066423

>>5065743
Man, this translation doesn't even TRY to make sense.

>> No.5067067

>>5049938
Absolutely disgusting. I still can't play Chrono Trigger to this day.

>> No.5067093

>>5049939
based and redpilled

>> No.5067106

>>5049938
Creating Dragon Ball alone makes him a god. Murata couldn't make an action scene like he did, no matter how hard he tries. As far a Chrono Trigger goes, I loved it as a kid. Copied the box art, got me into drawing. It's a shame though, because this wasn't peak Toriyama, it's around the Buu saga, which is probably the worst looking part of Dragon Ball, artwise.
>>5061198
Read the manga, from the beginning. All of the human characters look distinct and everything is much softer. It gets more angular in the "Z" portion of the story, but really, that only makes the action scenes better.
Only up to Buu saga and beyond does the angular stuff get out of hand and look awful. Everyone is Super Saiyan too, which leads to a lot of blank space. Can't stand a lot of his art after that.

>> No.5067198

>>5067106
>Murata couldn't make an action scene like he did, no matter how hard he tries.

What makes you say that?

>> No.5067250

>>5065621
>I'd say it's actually Z that got shafted with shitty games.
heh no, Z had more better games than DB

>> No.5067283

>>5049938
Chrono Trigger Remake with Tetsuo Hara designs when?

>> No.5068834

>>5067198
In the more recent chapters of OPM, especially with Garou, Murata has been doing more hand to hand combat stuff. Plus in general, he seems to love DB. But he isn't quite Toriyama yet, I guess in the same way that no one else, not even Paul Allen from Microsoft, is Jimi Hendrix. Don't get me wrong, Murata does great stuff. But his characters are too realistic and smooth, doesn't have that pop the way Freeza saga to Cell saga does. When Toriyama's characters fly across the page, they really do. Plus the energy beams and such are drawn in nice stark black and white, looks almost solid, compared to the more ephemeral screentone shades.

>> No.5068835

>>5049938
I like the style, but I hate that he keeps recycling the same two to three faces over and over.

>> No.5070051
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5070051

>>5066161
Better than Toriyama sameface

>> No.5070167

>>5049938
Havent played CT yet but those characters look like they are from Dragonball.

>> No.5070359

Biggest reason why I can't play Crono Trigger.

>> No.5070361

>>5067067
>>5070359
Jesus, it's barely noticable in the sprites

>> No.5070381

>>5050879
Thank God for based Toriyama tyat looks terrible

>> No.5070910

>>5051798
>ayy lmao
>good
no it's all shit

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>>5049938
I'm a big fan of it and I'm surprised by how many people in this thread dislike it

>> No.5071308

>>5071248
It's pretty decent, recently it went to shit.

>> No.5071460

>>5067067
>>5070359
That's seriously fucking sad. What, no Dragon Quest for you either? Jesus christ, sucks to be you.