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5049220 No.5049220 [Reply] [Original]

What's the best 16-bit Castlevania game?

>> No.5049225

Rondo>IV>Drac X>Bloodlines

>> No.5049231 [DELETED] 

Elder God Tier:
X68000 Castlevania

High Tier:
Castlevania: The New Generation

Mid Tier:
Vampire's Kiss

Low Tier:
Rondo of Blood

Shite Tier:
Super Castlevania Bore

>> No.5049254

>>5049231
I'd maybe swap rondo and bloodlines but overall I agree with this

>> No.5049270

>>5049225
>muh favs are the pleb easy ones with on challenge

>>5049231
this is a good list.

>> No.5049293 [DELETED] 

>>5049270
>this is a good list.
too bad trannyjanny shut it down because it knocked his favourite castlevania game

>how dare you call a boring game like cv4 boring
>enjoy your ban, shitlord

>> No.5049327

I wish I could get a cia of rondo of blood on my 3ds

>> No.5049331 [DELETED] 

>>5049293
Lol that shit is pathetic. There was nothing wrong with that post

>> No.5049334

>>5049220
Rondo followed by Bloodlines.

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5049338

>post rightfully calling out Super CasualVania IV is deleted

>> No.5049348

X68k > Bloodlines > Drac X > Rondo > 4

>> No.5049364

>>5049348
Which Dracula x

Also the PCE wasnt really 16-bit was it?

>> No.5049372

um no, sorry sweetie pies but if you're an 18 year old millennial that wasn't there at the time when these games came out and played them you can't have an opinion

>> No.5049378

>>5049372
So nobody currently accessing this board can have an opinion

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5049392

I'm glad /vr/ finally came to terms with the fact that CD Engine X isn't as good as SNES X.

>> No.5049395

>>5049364
>cpu meme

oh it definitely was 16-bit, it just was the weakest of the three consoles

tiny hucard romsizes also were a bottleneck, but it could compete when pushed

Best Hucard Graphics

>Street Fighter II (flat backgrounds but otherwise the same)
>Air Zonk
>New Adventure Island
>Samurai Ghost
>Bomberman 94
>Darius Plus
>After Burner II

Best CD Graphics
>Rondo of Blood
>Legend of Xanadu I and II
>Gates of thunder
>Nexzr
>Fatal fury special
>Anearth Fantasy Stories

>> No.5049404

>>5049220
Either Rondo or Bloodlines.

Rondo if you want an emphasis on presentation, amazing animations and exploration

Bloodlines if you want an emphasis on speed, action and explosive graphical effects

>> No.5049562

>>5049270
But if he liked the easy ones he'd choose Bloodlines first.

>> No.5049582 [DELETED] 

>>5049562
post your bloodlines john clear
bonus points if played on Hard

>> No.5049584

Rondo isn't truly 16 bit, but anyways, the rankings go Rondo>CVX>CVB>CVIV

>> No.5049590

>>5049582
I would if I didn't fall asleep everytime the game halts its pace to fight an uninteresting and braindead miniboss.

>> No.5049594 [DELETED] 

>>5049331
>being this new

>> No.5049596

why are castlevania threads such shitshows?

>> No.5049606

>>5049596
They used to be much worse (or more funny, depends how you look at it), back when Australia-kun's skits were new. Now it feels like a broken record.

>> No.5049608 [DELETED] 

>>5049606
Like the rest of this board, huh.

Adding the other sixth gen consoles when?

>> No.5049610 [DELETED] 

>>5049608
>Adding the other sixth gen consoles when?
When Hiroyuki decides to make /v2k/ - Childhood Nostalgia

>> No.5049615

>>5049596
Same reason shump and betemup thread are. Certain people are such poorfuck faggots that they are able to infect thread with AIIIIIDS.
A few of them have all but admitted they were molested by fans of jrpgs growing up so they hate games with those elements. Or some of them have nothing to show for in life but a bunch of high scores in a pastebin.

All manner of defects, mental and emotional can lead an individual to be incapable of having any kind of chill.

>> No.5049624

>>5049615
>Or some of them have nothing to show for in life but a bunch of high scores in a pastebin.
ouch

>> No.5049635

>>5049220
Rondo, Bloodlines, CV4,...........X

>> No.5049643

>>5049220
Rondo>Bloodlines>IV>DraX

>> No.5050203

All games > CV IV

>> No.5050210

>>5049220
Where can I get Rondo of Blood ROM? I searched whole fucking internet and couldn't find. it.

>> No.5050219

>>5050210
Are you still here? I can upload it.

>> No.5050223

>>5050219
That would be great anon!

>> No.5050225

>>5049596
Everything to say about Castlevania has already been said.

>> No.5050226

>>5049220
I prefer Rondo and Bloodlines

>> No.5050227

>>5050223
http://www.mediafire.com/file/kbf6ty2glzxj96w/Castlevania_-_Bloodlines.zip/file

It's a masterpiece.

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>>5049220
Of the 16bit ones I've played:
Bloodlines> Drac X > IV

Before you delete my post janny just know... that I fully admit bias with bloodlines since that was the only one if the 4 I grew up playing and even tho I listed IV last I still think it's a fantastic game

>> No.5050273 [DELETED] 

>>5049331
>Lol that shit is pathetic.
Never underestimate the vile impenetrable lunacy of authoritarian leftist anti standards degenerate self loathing scum. They are ill and need to be forced into serious rehab or state funded euthanasia programs must take place for the sanctity and cohesion of the decent citizens.

>> No.5050448 [DELETED] 

>>5049220
this honestly was my favorite period of castlevaina. i couldn't get into the 8-bit games that much and i think metroidvanias are boring.

CV 4 is my favorite but i can get why people wouldn't like it.

rondo/dracula X was probably one of my easier experiences with the franchise since i just got holy water and hoarded hearts to spam rain at boss fights + maria turned it into contra

bloodlines is probably the hardest CV game i played.

>>5049293
>>5049338
>deleting a post because you don't like it
good lord this is some next level pettiness

>>5050273
/pol/ go home you're drunk

>> No.5050456

>>5050448
You're a fence sitting moron, smart enough to identify that it was petit and pointless but too weak to ever acknowledge the greater problem in the face.

>> No.5050464

>>5050456
>dealing in absolutes
i don't know which part of my post you're referring to (but i'm assuming that it's probably about the the last 2 parts of it) but going into extremes is how we ended up with the current sate of affairs where you can't have an opinion anymore without a bunch of faggots ready to crucify you for it and/or have it be seen as a political statement by another group of faggots.

>> No.5050483

>>5049225

rondo is the only game worth playing though
the rest of the series has always been mediocre af

the best 2d konami game was gradius

>> No.5050492 [DELETED] 

>>5050464
as i said fence sitting and ignorant, hate top break it to you but the mod here along with all the trannies and rpg gdq scum ARE politically homogenized and motivated

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>>5049331
>Lol that shit is pathetic. There was nothing wrong with that post
I'm late to the party. What was the post?

>> No.5050509

X68K>IV>Rondo
I don't really like Bloodlines

>> No.5050537 [DELETED] 

>>5050492
sure thing /pol/.

>> No.5050542 [DELETED] 

The post that was deleted wasn't because of an opinion, it was because of an IP.

>> No.5050713 [DELETED] 

>>5050542
That poster wasn't Australia-kun. He said "bore", not "bros". As in, 4 rhymes with bore.

>> No.5050716 [DELETED] 

>>5050713
Mods know who's who.

>> No.5050720 [DELETED] 

>>5050495
>>/vr/thread/5049220#p5049231

>> No.5050721 [DELETED] 

>>5050537
t. trannymod

>> No.5050727

>>5050720
>Castlevania: The New Generation
It was aus-kun, retards.
Why would you assume he'd quit posting here?

>> No.5050737 [DELETED] 

>>5050727
>hurrdurr australia-kun is the only palfag on /vr/
If it were really him, he would have put the Sega game first and the SNES Castlevanias last.

Anyway, what other evidence do you have that he still comes here?

>> No.5050751 [DELETED] 

>>5050737
>Anyway, what other evidence do you have that he still comes here?
I don't and I don't even really care that much, just saying that since the only post ITT that was deleted was that one and not all the other ones hating on IV, I'd assume the post was deleted because of something else other than an opinion, is all.

>> No.5050856

>>5049220
only australia-kun knows

>> No.5050873 [DELETED] 

>>5049220
Rondo is overrated garbage that people only like because of its anime aesthetic and cutscenes.

>> No.5050887

>>5050873

idk, i saw some boss dude in a rondo clip
he looked like a bad ass

>> No.5050938

>>5050873
>overrated
[A game is overrated] IMAGINE MY SHOCK ANON
Everything is overrated, get over it already.
>anime aesthetic and cutscenes
That's the only thing I don't like about it.

>> No.5050979

the bottom 2, upper two are overrated.

>> No.5050980
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>>5049220
Why the fuck Konami thinks this is a remake of the original Castlevania?

Every Castle level and bosses are different, music is not the same and Dracula doesn't even has his demon form. Like Chronicles, it's only a retelling and not a remake of the original Castlevania.

If the level design for the castle levels were the same I would have accepted it as a full blown remake.

>> No.5051068

>>5050980
Did Konami ever really say it's a "remake"?
It's just called "Akumajou Dracula", but Chronicles (X68k) is also called Akumajou Dracula, and so is the arcade game (known as Haunted Castle).

>> No.5051119

>>5050873
half right, they also like it because its easy.

>> No.5051146 [DELETED] 

>>5051119
third right, they also like it because of its association with sotin, babby's first castlevania

>> No.5051241

>>5050873
I like the way it plays, the levels and the music
myth busted

>> No.5051263

>>5050873
>I DON'T LIKE SOMETHING EVERYONE ELSE LIKES SO I'M GOING TO USE A STRAWMAN TO INVALIDATE THEIR OPINIONS! HA! GOTTEM!

>> No.5051286

>>5049270
>the op asked for opinions
>why isn't everyone only posting my opinion

fuck off, lil bitch.

>> No.5051291

yeah my list isn't amazing


rondo>drac x>super iv>bloodlines

but I really do love them all

>> No.5051298

>>5050980
X68000 is a remake, at least

some of the levels are recreated, others are thrown around with new stuff added

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5051317

The correct answer is none of them.

Castlevania was only good when it was 8-bits.

>> No.5051319

>>5051317
>Castlevania The Adventure
>Belmont's Revenge
Probably some of THE worst entries in the franchise, thank god for Rebirth.

>> No.5051349

>>5051319
Belmont's Revenge is good though.

>> No.5051454

>>5051317
Simon's Quest is easily better than Adventure, you're a poser

>> No.5051459 [DELETED] 

>>5051454
At least Adventure has actual boss fights and fun level design.

>b-but it runs slow!
Use the romhack, Luke.

>> No.5051842

>>5049220
Bloodlines is honestly the fucking best.

>> No.5051847

>>5049590
Nice cop out you casual faggot.

>> No.5051852

>>5051847
Oh yeah. Those bosses with a single pattern are so challenging and engaging
I love how many of these generic knight bosses are in the game

>> No.5051854

Those games are all easy except for Dracula X

>> No.5051856

>>5051852
The actual challenge is the stages, you filthy peasant.

>> No.5051861

>>5051856
Not really, but even then these boring minibosses are all over every stage interrupting the action. Yawn.

>> No.5051872

>>5050537
That's not a refutation to anything he said.

>> No.5052735

>>5049220
What is the single best song from any of these four castlevania games and why is it "Calling from Heaven"?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cENqIz_x5jU

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5054654

Not going to let a castlevania shitposting thread go to waste!

BUMP!

>> No.5054659

>>5052735
Get ready to ear jizz if you haven't already
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDcKNgoIUcM

>> No.5054668

>>5054659
cringe buttrock guitar

>> No.5054676

>>5054668
good official remix
ur face is buttrock

>> No.5054756

>>5054659
Pritty gud!

>> No.5055949

>>5049220
For me it's
Bloodlines > IV > Rondo >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Dracula X.

>> No.5056010

>>5049220
i like the ones on the 64 and the gameboys

>> No.5056062

So why do people hate Dracula X so much?
I don't understand the disdain.

>> No.5056069

>>5056062
read: >>5049392
More and more people are actually appreciating Dracula X now.

>> No.5056098

>>5056069
I like that both SNES games are very different in all aspects, but are both still "classicvanias".
SCIV is subdued and creepy, DX is arcady and sharp. The difficulty of both games matches those qualities too.

>> No.5056194

>>5050980
there's at least like 4 intepretations of Castlevania 1 and this is one of them

>> No.5056196

>>5049348
>X68k
What a "hip" guy

>> No.5056981 [DELETED] 

Best level designs: IV
Best controls: Chronicles
Best enemy designs: Rondo
Best music: Bloodlines
Best graphics: XX

>> No.5057034

why does /v/ hate on SCIV so much? That was my favorite game as a kid and still holds up very well. The controls are great, the graphics and sound are excellent. I only played the others as an adult and don't like them as much but of course I'm biased.

>> No.5057038 [DELETED] 

>>5057034
muh overpowered multi-whip
muh loose air controls
muh easy boss fights
muh dull pacing
muh length

>> No.5057042

>>5057034
>/v/
You mean /vr/? And even then, /vr/ has different opinions on many things.
Castlevania threads are usually a bait competition though, so don't take everything at face value.

>> No.5057139

Rondo>Drac X>Bloodlines>4.

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>>5056981
>Best level designs: IV
Yeah, IV had some great level design, alright...

>> No.5057170

>>5057167
don't forget all those pixel perfect jumps you have to do sometimes

>> No.5057179 [DELETED] 

>>5057167
DUDE
GIMMICKS
LMAO

Fuck Super Castlevania Bros.

>> No.5057180

>>5057167
Wow, a small section of a big level ruins all of the level design in the game.
Wtf I hate scviv now

>> No.5057184 [DELETED] 

>>5057180
one bad apple ruins the bunch

>> No.5057194

>>5057184
There's gimmick level sections in the other 16vanias anyway. You post that webm all the time.

>> No.5057219 [DELETED] 

>>5057194
Which CV's have a section where you do nothing for a whole minute?

>> No.5057243

>>5057219
The raft sections on Rondo/chronicles. The tower of pisa part in bloodlines require you to jump but is completely braindead and just there to show some graphic effects, that outside part with the floating platforms drag on forever.

>> No.5057265

lines

>> No.5057268 [DELETED] 

>>5057243
>The raft sections on Rondo
That raft part is optional, only lasts 40 seconds, you have to kill skeletons or they knock you off the raft and time a jump quickly at the end or you fall into a pit.
>chronicles
Have to constantly be on guard because the RNG mermen can hit and knock you into water, killing you. Also lasts 45 seconds before you're taken to the boss.

Nice try though, IV apologist.

>> No.5057276

>>5057268
I'm not a IV apologist, just pointing out the other games also have gimmick sections. I'm not defending IVs rotating room like you are defending these boring raft rides.

>> No.5057280

>>5049220
Rondo

>> No.5057283 [DELETED] 

>>5057276
But you're trying to excuse IV's shitty design choices by using whataboutisms. That makes you a IV apologist. Also, if you hate autoscrollers in general, you must also hate III, since it's the one that started it.

>> No.5057287

>>5057283
I don't hate the overall games. Still like all of them, but they all have gimmick sections.

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>>5057287
Alright, but you're still wrong about the raft sections in Rondo and 68k being as boring as IV's rotating room.

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>>5057287
>but they all have gimmick sections.
The first and best Castlevania doesn't.

>> No.5057909

which rom hack for castlevania 2 was it that made the game way better? was it the retranslation +map hack?

>> No.5057914

>>5057909
look up "bisqwit castlevania 2"

it's a cool, impressive hack but the game is just fundamentally not fun.

>> No.5058041

>>5057038
Muh dull graphics and ugly sprite work
Muh forgettable at best, obnoxious at worst soundtrack
Muh hilariously anticlimactic Dracula fight

>> No.5058150

muh castlevania 4 hateboner

>> No.5058717
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>> No.5059056 [DELETED] 

>>5058150
muh nintendildos

>> No.5059123

>>5051317
caatlevania 3. any day of the week

>> No.5059126

>>5054668
buttrock. or any type of rock is better than that bubblegum pop shit you listen to, britney

>> No.5060405

>>5059126
>hurrr i u h8 muh buttrock u listen to pop

interesting thought process.

>> No.5060578

>>5054659
Yes yes well done, well done, HOWEVER -
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1b_44q1CzGI

>> No.5062548

rondo then bloodlines then X them IV

>> No.5062684

>>5049220

Hard to say as they are all SHIT.

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5062878

5062684(you)

>> No.5063141 [DELETED] 

>>5062684
SotNigger detected.
Go back to your Playpenvania with babby-tier challenge and plain as fuck level designs.

>> No.5063148

>>5062548
>the contrian kit for castlevania.

>> No.5063185 [DELETED] 

>>5063148
>anyone that doesn't enjoy super castlevania bros is a contrarian
top kek kid

>> No.5063247

>>5049220
wait another 3 days and I'll tell you

>> No.5063278 [DELETED] 

>>5063185
>triggering janny's anti-australia-kun auto-delete script
now you've done it

>> No.5063314

>>5063148
Nah he's only half contrarian.
An actual full contrarian would but X or Bloodlines first and Rondo last. Maybe add X68K for hipster bonus points.

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>>5063278
holy shit, it's true
any post that contains the words in pic related gets auto-deleted

>> No.5063763 [DELETED] 

super castlevania bros

>> No.5063840

>>5058717
based and redpilled, but rondo of blood is pretty good too

>> No.5064254 [DELETED] 

super
castlevania
brothas

>> No.5064591

>>5049404
The only thing holding me back from liking bloodlines more than rondo is the sound effects. I can't believe you make one of the greatest genesis soundtracks and fuck up the sound design

>> No.5065252 [DELETED] 

Thuper
Castlevainia
Bras

Why is it so hard to say what's written up above around here? It's harmless yet keeps being deleted.

>> No.5065340 [DELETED] 

>>5065252
mod is an autist that has ptsd from australia-kun's rampant shitposting from years back

>> No.5065345 [DELETED] 

>>5065252
It's spam, which is against the rules.
It's more because of how many times australia spammed it rather than if it's harmless or not.
Anyway here's my ranking
Bloodlines>IV>Dracula X>Rondo
And I'm not a contrarian, still like DX and Rondo, but Bloodlines is the most fun to me because of Eric.

>> No.5065360 [DELETED] 

>>5065345
>It's spam, which is against the rules.
By that logic, using any meme that isn't OC is a bannable offence.

Kill yourself idiot.

>> No.5065369 [DELETED] 

>>5065360
Well, all spam memes get deleted. Remember the "what retro games do soiboys play?" spam guy?

>> No.5065448 [DELETED] 

>>5065369
That's just because the leftist cucks that run this website get triggered by /pol/ memes, not necessarily because it's spammed.

>> No.5065456 [DELETED] 

>>5065448
Memes are memes, the boomer/zoomer threads were also deleted, and as far as I know those aren't /pol/.

>> No.5066223 [DELETED] 

Super Castlevania, bros!

>> No.5066237 [DELETED] 

Super Castlevania, bros!

>> No.5066256 [DELETED] 

>>5065456
This one wasn't:
>>/vr/thread/S5053968

Your spam theory's bullshit, anon. Mod just has a butthurt grudge against some shitposter that doesn't even come here anymore.

>> No.5066275 [DELETED] 

>>5066256
Okay, maybe my theory is bullshit, but I don't see how would anyone know if Australia-kun comes here anymore or not.
Mods know for sure because they can check IPs.

>> No.5067329 [DELETED] 

super castlevania bros :-)

>> No.5068817 [DELETED] 

scb :))))

>> No.5068912

>>5063148
>>5063314

Imagine devoting your time to a contrarian hobby on a contrarian imageboard and then calling others contrarian as if it is a bad thing.

>> No.5069339

>>5068912
To be honest, the whole internet has a tendency to be contrarian.
I think it's a way to ask for attention.

>> No.5069407

>>5062684
>Hard to say as they are all SHIT.
More like hard to say as they are all good.

>> No.5069420

>>5058717
>Posts about three great games
>Gives a fine analysis on two of them
>Shits on the third one because of a fucking cutscene
Yes, we get it: this anime shit doesn't belong in a Castlevania game. You are right but then again...
>Being this hung up on cutscenes and character designs instead of paying attention to the actual game

>> No.5069424

>>5069420
If you could skip cutscenes on Rondo it would be much better.
I don't really mind the anime style, but unskippable cutscenes in CV is a bad idea.

>> No.5069426

I only just the other day realized that "Rondo" is a musical thing, like Symphony. This entire time I (unconsciously) thought "Rondo" was just kind of this self-contained word someone made up because they thought it sounded funny... like... Rondo. Zombo. Frog-mo.

>> No.5069467

>>5069426
>not having known what a Rondo was
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTDicL7iuCk

>> No.5069475

>>5054659
He's coming, right now
https://youtu.be/WrgRfC8JODE

>> No.5069478

>>5069467
Yes, I am, in fact, retarded.

>> No.5069747 [DELETED] 

68k > 4 > bloodlines > xx > rondo

Fuck weebcucks and their glorified homoassfux-cd game.

>> No.5070923

>>5049220
Rondo is the best classicvania
III and Superfags can suck it

>> No.5070945

>>5051298

I played Chronicles and don't remember that. Is that only in the original X68 version?

>> No.5071230

>>5070923
ONII-CHAN!

>> No.5071278

>>5049220
Rondo isn't 16-bit, retard.

>> No.5071882

Rondo will always be number one for me but IV and Bloodlines are toss ups for the number two spot depending on my mood. I could care less about half assed poor man's SNES Rondo.

>> No.5072041

>>5071882
>Dracula X is a Rondo port
Notto disu shitto agein.

>> No.5072073

>>5070923
Gtfo
3 is the magnum opus of Castlevania

>> No.5072189

any way I can emulate rondo of blood? the dracula x on psp it's full of audio glitches and the original release doesn't seem to be that easy to emulate it as well

>> No.5072495

>>5049225
This is a good list, but it's important to remember that even Bloodlines is a decent game and worth playing.
Honestly, Castlevania series peaked in the 16 bit era.

>> No.5072515

>>5072189
There's a standalone download for Rondo of Blood so you don't have to use an actual emulator.
Unfortunately I can't remember where to download it.

>> No.5072926

>>5069424
Agreed.

>> No.5072939

>>5072189
>>5072515
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXg9AhsLXAg

>> No.5073178

>>5072939
>>5072515
thank you!

>> No.5073193

>>5049348
Found the contrarian hipster

>> No.5073220

>>5073193
>how DARE you not rank 4, the most boring entry, higher
>SHAME
>SHAME
>SHAME

>> No.5073224

Rondo > IV > Dracula X = Bloodlines

>> No.5073252

>>5073220
It's more about rating the obscure as fuck and very average X68k game that high

>> No.5073257

>>5073252
>obscure
You know it got released on the Gaystation X, right?

>very average
I dunno, to me it seems like the most faithful to the NES games in terms of gameplay and design. So those who prefer the NES games would obviously like it best.

>> No.5073391

>>5073257
I feel Dracula X is closer to the NES games.
X68k I think has more in common with IV actually (bigger sprite, diagonal whipping at least downside, grittier color palette)

>> No.5073423

>>5073391
>new gameplay mechanics like jumping onto stairs, backflip, moonwalk, item crash, etc.
>quasi-non-linear level design and content that changes based on collectibles (women)
>anime aesthetics and FMV cutscenes, art before was more western comic style (Conan)
>got rid of the roman numeral subweapon tiles and having to upgrade your whip
Nah, X was the least faithful of the 16-bit games.

>> No.5073437

>>5073423
I mean Dracula X on SNES, not Rondo of Blood.
While most of what you say still remains true, Dracula X's level design is more like the NES games and not as tansaku as Rondo.

>> No.5073968

>>5073437
>tansaku
oh fuck off. Branching paths doesn't mean you get to use a pointless Jap word.

>> No.5074531

>>5049220
Bloodlines
4 is okay but its just not the same the music is meh the game is too easy and i really dont see how it could ever top BL
>hur dur muh nintender
>hur dur muh good story line as in the same fucking story line used in every other game
> hur dur not a belmont
> hur dur sega sucks
>hur dur whip mobility

>> No.5074746

As someone who only played 4 as a kid, it's pretty average and relies on rotation and mode 7 gimmicks too often desu. Rondo and Bloodlines are both better.

>> No.5074865

>>5074746
>too often
What, a minute and a half on level 4, and the golem boss? That's too often on a game with 11 levels?
I'm fine with criticizing 4, but sometimes it just seems people are fine with just bullshitting hyperbole about it. If we continue like this, the new hip thing will be to like 4 again due to how popular it is to hate it, at least on /vr/

>> No.5074953

>>5074865
>hyperbole
Hyperbole would be saying it ruins the game. It just makes the game less engaging than the other 16 bit games. Nothing over the top about saying that.

>> No.5074961

>>5074953
It was hyperbole to say it happens "too often".

>> No.5074963

>>5074865
Dude your so full of yourself

>> No.5074964

>Castlevania IV has gimmick parts!
>>5057243

>> No.5075003

>>5074964
>autoscrollers are gimmicks
Spotted the newfag.

>> No.5075007

>>5075003
you don't really have to do anything on those, though.Just duck and wait or randomly whip if you want, that's it.
In the Rondo raft you really don't even need to do anything, the skeletons on the other rafts almost never touch you. But anyway if you just mash the attack button, that's it. No timing or strategy required, it's completely shallow.

>> No.5075010

What makes anti-4 guys lose credit is that when you point out similar "flaws" in other games, they deny it, or try to make it as not big of a deal, but if it's on 4, it's the worst shit ever.
All CV after the first have bullshit and gimmicks, it's just something that's part of CV games but that doesn't make them bad.

>> No.5075023

Why does it bother pro-4 guys that people dislike 4 over reasons that they deem aren't valid, as if they have any more authority on the series than anybody else shitposting with them here?

>> No.5075025

>>5075023
I'm not pro-4, more like neutral-4.
I'm fine with "the spinning room is a gimmick", I'm not fine with "most of the game is full of gimmicks!", it's simply not true.

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>>5049220
>I'm not pro-4, more like neutral-4.
That's exactly what a 4 fanboy would want us to believe.

>> No.5075031

>>5075028
If I was a fanboy I would probably be saying the spinning room is the best thing ever or something.
Also nice quoting skills.

>> No.5075035

>>5075023
As >>5075025 said, it's not about "authority" or reasons that people "deem" aren't valid, it's about facts. How many rooms with mode 7 gimmicks are in the game? And would you say it happens "too often" like the other anon said?

>> No.5075080

>>5075035
Maybe some people just don't like 4 as much as the others.

>> No.5075082

>>5075080
Read my post again, it's not about liking or disliking the game.

>> No.5075209

>>5074531

based

>> No.5075273

>>5075035
The fact that Death Tower exists at all in the game is enough to pan the game. Comparing it to a few short autoscrollers from the other games isn't really the same and just makes you appear biased.

>> No.5075283

>>5075273
I'm not excusing the spinning room, but you are excusing the autoscrollers. The spinning room is also short.

>> No.5075295

>>5075283
There's also the laggy tube room, and the section where you have to wait while platforms repeat upwards vertically.
Death Tower is just a shitty level in general and should've been deleted from the game.

>but you are excusing the autoscrollers
I'm not excusing them, I'm just saying they are more interesting than the shit they make you slog through in that level of CV4, and a few other areas of the game.

>> No.5075334

>>5075295
I just replayed the game recently and realized what causes lag in that section is when you kill the skeletons, the bones scatter all over the screen and that causes it. Devs should have ommited the bones exploding effect at least just for that section. I just walked and jumped over the skelletons instead of whipping them, and it went smooth. Sometimes there's a tiny bit of lag when the skellies jump from the background, but it's minimal compared to the lag that causes the bone explosion.

>> No.5075337

>>5075295
>and the section where you have to wait while platforms repeat upwards vertically.
if you're good you don't have to wait.

>> No.5075343
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5075343

Anyone else think the invisibility potion is the most pointless inclusion the series? Every time I find one it's in a place where it doesn't matter.

>> No.5075351

>>5075343
same with the rosary to a lesser extent.

>> No.5075354

>>5075337
You mean the zip?
It's pretty lame you have to abuse a glitch to get past bad level design, though.

>> No.5075369

>>5075010
>similar "flaws" in other games
nice examples

>> No.5075374

>>5075369
when people call IV easy or different because of the whip, but then shrug when people mention Rondo's item crash i-frames or jumping from stairs.

>> No.5075389

>>5075374
Whip doesn't use ammo like spamming item crashes does.

>> No.5075390

>>5075343
>>5075351
that's probably why rondo cut both out

same with the whip upgrades, as the old games just gave them back to you instantly

>> No.5075446

>>5075390
But what if I wanna do a weak whip run.

>> No.5075449

>>5075389
And 8-whippan doesn't give you i-frames. Both are still things that make the CV formula easier, and different from the original. It's not just IV that's guilty of it.

>> No.5075452

>>5075390
I mean for the most part it's true, but in some cases you might be stuck in some part where you need the full whip, and have to endure with either 1st or 2nd whip which are short range. I don't need it needed to be removed.

>> No.5075457

>>5075449
Pretty sure the argument is not that every sequel should be a rehash of CV1, but that some new changes are worse than others.

>> No.5075463

>>5075457
But what's "worse" is subjective, everyone has bias, either pro or con. Measuring the games against the original CV is at least a bit objective, since most people agree CV1 is god-tier.

>> No.5075464

>>5075452
but that's the thing, right? you don't have to endure the short whip for very long. candles practically spawn them as soon as you respawn.

>> No.5075469

>>5075464
Yes, but I'd rather still have the option to upgrade my whip than not have it.

>> No.5075476

>>5075463
>most people agree CV1 is god-tier.
this

>> No.5075572

>>5075463
>since most people agree CV1 is god-tier.
Way too short, and the difficulty becomes non-existent when you figure out holy water spam.

So yeah, there is no good Castlevania game.

>> No.5076720

>>5075390
Huh, Rondo still has both, I just played it not too long ago.

Granted they're still as useless as before so I don't remember all the locations.

The rosary shows up in Stage 7 just before you clear the starting segment with the falling bridge and the bats, it's mean to kill off any remaining bats still chasing you I guess.

I think the invincibility potion shows up either at the beginning of Stage 5' or near the end of Stage 7 where the sword armors and skelly dogs are.

The rosary has at least 2 or 3 more locations, maybe more, so it's somewhat common, about same as the older games, really. The potion is a lot more rare.

>> No.5076734

>>5075572
how is it being a contrarian? i feel like it must suck.

>> No.5076812

>>5075572
t. arthur-gng.jpg poster