This is the only mainstream fifth gen console I never feel any urge to revisit.

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Anonymous Sat, Sep 8, 2018 09:48:25 No.5030419 [Reply] [Original]

This is the only mainstream fifth gen console I never feel any urge to revisit.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Sep 8, 2018 09:51:35 No.5030425 File: 85 KB, 1200x628, 20180908_095119.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5030419 This is the only mainstream fifth gen console I ever feel any urge to revisit.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Sep 8, 2018 10:02:38 No.5030437 N64 was the essential staying at a buddy's house machine during the mid to late 90s. Mario Kart, SSB, AKI rasslin games, 007, Perfect Dark, etc

>>	Anonymous Sat, Sep 8, 2018 10:03:05 No.5030438 >>5030419 >>5030425 Both sides represented. Everyone must be happy with this result.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Sep 8, 2018 10:48:49 No.5030505 Why this console is so hard to emulate?

>>	Anonymous Sat, Sep 8, 2018 10:50:00 No.5030507 >>5030505 poor documentation and emulator authors are desperate for recognition.

Anonymous Sat, Sep 8, 2018 10:52:14 No.5030512

>>5030507
So,they realase whatever shit they are working on without testing it? it baffles me that a consols that old is so hard to emulate it should be at snes level atleast, is only worth using an emulator if your are gonna play the essentials and nothing more.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Sep 8, 2018 10:53:36 No.5030514 >>5030419 N64 has no RPGs.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Sep 8, 2018 11:14:07 No.5030553 >>5030514 It has a couple.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Sep 8, 2018 11:24:41 No.5030567 >>5030514 aka the most boring genre

>>	Anonymous Sat, Sep 8, 2018 11:26:26 No.5030570 >>5030419 Playstation?

>>	Anonymous Sat, Sep 8, 2018 11:44:52 No.5030593 File: 9 KB, 250x201, images.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5030553 you cant trick me

>>	Anonymous Sat, Sep 8, 2018 12:48:01 No.5030684 File: 2.99 MB, 1280x720, n64.webm [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5030419 Why do so many N64 games feel so unresponsive and clunky?

>>	Anonymous Sat, Sep 8, 2018 12:48:43 No.5030685 >>5030419 What's up with the /v/ style console war shit on /vr/ lately? Leaking from /v/?

>>	Anonymous Sat, Sep 8, 2018 12:50:59 No.5030689 >>5030685 >why does one of the most popular boards site wide have crossposters? World may never know.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Sep 8, 2018 12:52:38 No.5030691 >>5030689 Keep your autism and shit posting on there then

>>	Anonymous Sat, Sep 8, 2018 12:53:05 No.5030692 >>5030691 Nah.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Sep 8, 2018 12:58:21 No.5030695 >>5030567 Maybe in the 80s but in the 90s that title belonged to scotformers.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Sep 8, 2018 12:59:35 No.5030697 >>5030685 I'd rather this over /vr/'s normal >[CONSOLE] is the biggest piece of shit and you're literally the most cucked broomzer on the planet if you disagree

Anonymous Sat, Sep 8, 2018 13:11:29 No.5030709

>>5030505
Its GPU has a lot of complicated features which were implemented in a completely different ways to any PC GPU, making high level emulation complicated.

Older consoles like PS1 have relatively simple GPUs, while newer consoles like Dreamcast have some level of PC compliancy (it supported DirectX). N64 is uniquely in the uncomfortable middle of being too old and too new.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Sep 8, 2018 13:13:27 No.5030712 >>5030695 Are the Banjo- Kazooie titles bongformers?

>>	Anonymous Sat, Sep 8, 2018 13:47:27 No.5030765 >>5030709 If Nintendo did make a N64 mini what are the chances it could open the gateway for actual accurate emulation? Or is it just going to be another Virtual Console type thing.

Anonymous Sat, Sep 8, 2018 13:54:50 No.5030773

>>5030765
Probably will just be the Virtual Console emulator ported to Android.

The coolest solution though would be if the N64 Mini used an upgraded version of the technology used in the iQue. That console actually used the original N64 hardware integrated in a single chip and overclocked. Nintendo even modified the console's memory controller so it could use DDR RAM instead of archaic RDRAM.

A super overclocked original chipset N64 running at HD resolutions (obviously with ROM hacks so timings won't break) combined with HDMI output would be cool as fuck.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Sep 8, 2018 13:59:43 No.5030779 There's a few good games. It's no PS1 for sure

>>	Anonymous Sat, Sep 8, 2018 14:02:37 No.5030784 >>5030684 Framerate too low.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Sep 8, 2018 14:17:47 No.5030804 >>5030684 There's something literally wrong with this video because it's been proven that Ocarina of Time polls input and calculates game logic at 60 FPS. The engine is merely set up to draw every third frame internally calculated.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Sep 8, 2018 14:19:31 No.5030807 >>5030804 There's nothing wrong with the video, the game is just clunky as fuck.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Sep 8, 2018 14:20:42 No.5030810 >>5030419 It's a nostalgia thing, It looks nice as a piece of furniture and girls like playing it. All reasons to have one. >also Perfect Dark still plays really well

>>	Anonymous Sat, Sep 8, 2018 14:20:59 No.5030813 >>5030807 >dumb feels vs objective technical facts about how the game works Ok

>>	Anonymous Sat, Sep 8, 2018 14:21:45 No.5030815 >>5030813 Watch the video again and tell me it doesn't look delayed.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Sep 8, 2018 14:23:02 No.5030817 >>5030815 Yeah I looked at it again and it seems he's using a broken controller (check the tape at the bottom of it) with a replacement third party stick. Well there we go.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Sep 8, 2018 14:23:50 No.5030821 >>5030773 >A super overclocked original chipset would they have to have them made to order or do they exist already? How much more expensive than running it on some rasberri pie type thing and/or ported for android.

Anonymous Sat, Sep 8, 2018 14:29:18 No.5030831

>>5030821
Errr it would be cheaper to make the Android. Off the shelf parts vs custom made design.

The advantage is that you don't need to write an emulator, so that saves time and money. Though ROMs might still need to be hacked so the resolution and framerate changes don't break them.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Sep 8, 2018 14:35:47 No.5030848 >>5030817 Here it is tested with 3 different controllers

>>	Anonymous Sat, Sep 8, 2018 14:36:55 No.5030853 File: 3.00 MB, 1280x720, nou.webm [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5030848

Anonymous Sat, Sep 8, 2018 14:45:22 No.5030871

>>5030853
So, what am I supposed to see on these?
You're basically tilting the stick, but the character moves left and right as you do, expect for some moments where you barely touch the stick and only give it a slight bump, making the character move a bit but not entirely.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Sep 8, 2018 14:45:54 No.5030873 >>5030871 The response is clearly delayed

>>	Anonymous Sat, Sep 8, 2018 14:49:38 No.5030881 >>5030873 It seems to respond fine when you're actually pushing the stick, like around 0:11/12 on that webm. Tilting it gives kind of erratic responses, but I don't think actually delayed as in input lag.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Sep 8, 2018 15:00:38 No.5030902 >>5030853 >violently flick the stick instead of tilting normally >hurrr why doesn't it behave as expected

>>	Anonymous Sat, Sep 8, 2018 15:03:05 No.5030915 >>5030902 why are you so desperate to deny the evidence of your eyes

>>	Anonymous Sat, Sep 8, 2018 15:04:30 No.5030919 >>5030815 It doesn't look delayed. Nice confirmation bias. It was technically proved that you're retarded.

Anonymous Sat, Sep 8, 2018 15:07:14 No.5030926
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>>5030919
I wouldn't have said bias if I didn't have a reason to you fucking mongoloid. The game feels clunky and movement doesn't feel anywhere near as smooth as a game like NiGHTS into Dreams, there is no denying this.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Sep 8, 2018 15:09:29 No.5030932 >>5030915 Link moves fine to me.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Sep 8, 2018 15:10:21 No.5030938 >>5030926 Nobody cares about your issues, now piss off with your pointless webms.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Sep 8, 2018 15:12:12 No.5030943 File: 228 KB, 473x479, hmmm.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5030926 >compares a 3D action game with a 2D racing arcade game

Anonymous Sat, Sep 8, 2018 15:20:46 No.5030967
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>>5030932
If you think so that's cool. But to me the lack of fluidity takes away from the game.
>>5030938
>gets proven wrong
>"WAAAAH NO ONE CARES!"
nice argument
>>5030943
I'm not comparing the gameplay of the two games I'm comparing their relative input delay.

Anonymous Sat, Sep 8, 2018 15:33:48 No.5030995

>>5030967
>I'm not comparing the gameplay of the two games I'm comparing their relative input delay.
Well, for one, they have different controls methods. Nights doesn't let you accelerate by pushing the stick/moving the d-pad, you accelerate by pushing a button and the only thing you do with the direction is just that, give it direction.
OOT and Mario 64 let you have multiple different speed animations depending on how far you push the stick, from walking to running.
And again, you're not proving any input lag on that video either, it's just you tilting the stick again.
Maybe the games feel clunky to you and that's fine, but you're not really showing any evidence of lag.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Sep 8, 2018 15:35:46 No.5031002 >>5030995 You can clearly see the disparity between the time the stick is tilted and when the character moves in the webm.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Sep 8, 2018 15:36:32 No.5031005 >>5030967 Quit posting this stupid shit everywhere. Why do these retards always act the same way when doing shit like this. Keep your autism to yourself

Anonymous Sat, Sep 8, 2018 15:38:07 No.5031008

>>5031002
Not really. What I think you're thinking is lag is that both Mario and Link have a bit of a "turn around" animation, they don't instantly flip in a flick split second, but I don't see any actual lag, they still seem to be responding the moment you touch the stick.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Sep 8, 2018 15:38:30 No.5031010 >>5031008 It doesn't feel like it

>>	Anonymous Sat, Sep 8, 2018 15:41:35 No.5031015 >>5030684 why are there two screens and a controller that is duct taped together?

>>	Anonymous Sat, Sep 8, 2018 15:43:38 No.5031026 >>5030915 why are you so autistic that you have a problem with a 20 year old game that no one really complained about?

>>	Anonymous Sat, Sep 8, 2018 15:44:24 No.5031028 >>5031026 I'm complaining about how a lot of n64 games don't really fell good to play

>>	Anonymous Sat, Sep 8, 2018 15:45:13 No.5031032 >>5031028 instead of making the characters do a 180, do something else. also do it in a method that is measurable rather than just going by autism

>>	Anonymous Sat, Sep 8, 2018 15:52:56 No.5031052 >>5031028 Well that's just your dumb feeling and your completely flawed testing methodology. It's literally a fact that both Mario 64 and Ocarina of Time poll controller input at 60 FPS.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Sep 8, 2018 16:03:15 No.5031069 >>5031052 But if like you say OOT's framerate prevents it from displaying the input as it happens, wouldn't that cause input registration delay when observed from a CRT?

>>	Anonymous Sat, Sep 8, 2018 16:15:26 No.5031089 >>5030712 Nah, run of the mill collect-a-thon

>>	Anonymous Sat, Sep 8, 2018 16:15:36 No.5031090 File: 2.65 MB, 1280x720, mario 64 input.webm [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5030684 >>5030853 >>5030967 looks fine to me m8

>>	Anonymous Sat, Sep 8, 2018 16:20:23 No.5031102 >>5031069 Yes, but it does mean that physically discernible input lag is always at the minimum level per given framerate.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Sep 8, 2018 17:06:39 No.5031184 >>5030419 > be you > zoomer trash > iq less than 64 you need to leave.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Sep 8, 2018 17:16:56 No.5031201 >>5030684 Some games back then were fucked and can't act on input as quick as they should. For example, Crash 1 had this issue but was fixed in Crash 2.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Sep 8, 2018 17:22:49 No.5031209 >>5030419 I'd like to get the best possible output from my N64 but my TV has no S-Video port. How would an S-Video to RBG transcoder perform?

>>	Anonymous Sat, Sep 8, 2018 17:30:48 No.5031215 >>5030712 >bongformers I laughed harder than I should have at this

>>	Anonymous Sat, Sep 8, 2018 19:35:29 No.5031416 >>5030419 Makes me wish /vr/ was a mainstream fifth gen console

>>	Anonymous Sat, Sep 8, 2018 21:28:00 No.5031625 >>5030684 >multiple screens showing the same video why tho

>>	Anonymous Sat, Sep 8, 2018 21:29:13 No.5031626 >>5030695 nigga RPGs suck >>5030853 have you tried playing the game normally >>5030926 no one cares about Nights into dreams

Anonymous Sat, Sep 8, 2018 22:44:32 No.5031758

>>5030419
Exact opposite for me.

N64 was (if you're being objective) the worst of the 3 5th gen console during its time. But PS1's main focus was on genres that I don't care about and ports of PC and arcade games that can now be easily played via GOG or MAME. Saturn was great, but it was all arcade ports, so MAME has basically obsoleted it. N64 on the other hand was overwhelmingly concentrated on exclusives and local multiplayer. It may have had less games, but what it did have there's still reason to go back to. Much of this is just based on my personal taste, but still. I've actually started to appreciate the N64 more and more over time, because it's the only 5th gen system that PC and MAME haven't obsoleted for me. And while it had a small library (THE smallest for any successful console EVER) it also had one of the best good game to bad game ratios of any system ever, so it's much safer to try random games (the PS1 is the exact opposite in this regard, where 90% of its library is zero effort, ultra-low budget, rushed crap).

>>	Anonymous Sat, Sep 8, 2018 22:49:24 No.5031768 >>5031758 N64 had the most 4 player games tho

Anonymous Sat, Sep 8, 2018 22:52:04 No.5031778

I still like all big 3 of 5th gen.
Back in the day for me it was PS1>N64>Saturn
But now it's Saturn=N64>PS1.
Basically, the privilege of having a chipped PS1 back in the 90s gave me access to a lot of cheap games, at one point I could buy 10 pirate PS1 games for the price I would pay an N64 game, so that alone made it my favorite, sheer amount of games available and cheaper. Saturn, even though I owned one, I only had shit games other than Nights, and it was hard for me to find games at all.
Nowadays, PS1 is the system I go back the least, while I keep revisiting Saturn and N64 over and over, more now that I actually have a lot of games to play for both systems including imports.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Sep 8, 2018 22:59:52 No.5031790 >>5031758 >N64 was (if you're being objective) the worst of the 3 5th gen console during its time. kys plonker. People objectively have different opinions.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Sep 8, 2018 23:08:07 No.5031806 >>5031758 >objectively worst because it focused on multiplayer and has a limited while strong library I don't think you know what objective means

Anonymous Sun, Sep 9, 2018 03:58:45 No.5032130

>>5031758
>it also had one of the best good game to bad game ratios of any system ever, so it's much safer to try random games (the PS1 is the exact opposite in this regard, where 90% of its library is zero effort, ultra-low budget, rushed crap).

Wrongest statement I've ever read. I'm slightly offended even, how can you believe this? PS1 is the undisputed king of hidden gems, whereas outside of the 20~ classics on N64 it's all trash.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Sep 9, 2018 04:52:52 No.5032173 >>5032130 >whereas outside of the 20~ classics on N64 it's all trash. Wrong. N64 doesn't have quantitatively a lot of hidden gems (thanks to the small library) but it has an equal number of hidden gems when adjusting for library size.

Anonymous Sun, Sep 9, 2018 08:12:41 No.5032348

The problem with the N64 is that there aren't many single player games, you complete the 15 big ones and you aren't left with much since they aren't very hard so no replay value either, people meme the Nintendo Hard thing but it's actually a good thing, and while some multiplayer games were critically and commercially acclaimed most of them weren't, making the unfortunate ones "minor" games. This personally doesn't make me feel like I have to play the N64 anymore, it's in a similar state to the dreamcast, except Dreamcast has LOTS of benefit of the doubt thanks to its short lifespan and popularity, making every game matter more. A more modern example from the same company would be the Wii, with Nintendo not doing enough single player and trying to do multiplayer without focusing only on that, and we all know the reputation it has: casual shovelware machine, and that one actually has lots of games but they are considered mediocre.

This isn't the case with consoles like the SNES or PS1 because there are dozens of "greatest hits", so even if you don't care about Ridge Racer or Kirby you are probably going to play it at some point to see what's up with it, maybe play it a bit, then play something else and come back later if you enjoyed it and see how you do this time, and maybe replay it multiple times because the games are challenging or it has enough content to justify another playthrough, this doesn't happen with the N64 because the console is lacking variety in single player games and quality in multiplayer games, might as well try some of the multiple multiplayer games on PS1 that the N64 apologists conveniently ignore, or check out that Saturn console that never gets its existence acknowledged by Nintendo fans because they weren't forced to enjoy that one by their parents.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Sep 9, 2018 08:31:30 No.5032358 >>5032348 >since they aren't very hard so no replay value either Yet people keep bitching about the difficulty in Goldeneye, Perfect Dark, Jet Force Gemini etc...

>>	Anonymous Sun, Sep 9, 2018 15:56:33 No.5033007 >>5032173 I was including hidden gems in that 20~.

Anonymous Sun, Sep 9, 2018 16:03:52 No.5033023

>>5032173
I was including hidden gems in that 20~. Even if you wanted to be -extremely- generous and say that N64 had 30~ good games, that's still a library of 90% trash, like you said applies to the PS1. Only 300 N64 games released NA.

PS1 had 1300 games released NA, of which easily a couple hundred were good.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Sep 9, 2018 16:30:35 No.5033085 >>5031768 That's literally what they fucking said. >>5031806 That's what they said was its strength, not its weakness. They called it the worst of its generation because of the small library, but said it aged better.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Sep 9, 2018 16:32:51 No.5033093 >>5031790 nigga it has like 300 fucking games in like 6 genres (LITERALLY 1 in every 5 games is a racing game) gtfo with that shit, the n64 barely has anything

Anonymous Sun, Sep 9, 2018 16:53:53 No.5033154

>>5033093
You can hold your (idiot) opinion than the playstation was better all you want based on your (extreme idiot) argument that it had more games. But it's when you start saying it like it's something that's agreed on or established, that's when at least half the community are against you is when we run into trouble idiot. I never said you can't hold a legitimate opinion the PS was better.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Sep 9, 2018 16:58:29 No.5033161 >>5030419 I had it once I wanted to play wave race BANZAIIIIIIIIIII

>>	Anonymous Sun, Sep 9, 2018 16:59:53 No.5033163 >>5030505 there are 456 different guys working on emulating this, every single one by himself because they are dickheads

>>	Anonymous Sun, Sep 9, 2018 17:08:13 No.5033172 >>5030684 it's unresponsive because your video signal has to go to 3 different monitors

>>	Anonymous Sun, Sep 9, 2018 18:38:30 No.5033334 >>5032358 What people?

>>	Anonymous Sun, Sep 9, 2018 21:49:24 No.5033692 >>5033154 PS1 is better, this isn't something debated by any intelligent community because it's objective fact.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Sep 9, 2018 22:21:51 No.5033762 >>5033692 The PS1 is pretty average, and worse at 3D than the N64, worse at 2D than Saturn. It has a large catalogue though that's what saves it, but as a system is jack of all trades, master of none.

Anonymous Sun, Sep 9, 2018 22:29:12 No.5033769

>>5033762
>worse at 2D than Saturn.

why? Because the Saturn had optional RAM carts which brought back a few animation frames?

>worse at 3D than the N64

oh yes, gotta love those frame rates in Conker, Perfect Dark, Turok 2 and Majora's Mask!

also gotta love the tiny texture bus

>>	Anonymous Sun, Sep 9, 2018 22:29:41 No.5033770 >>5033762 Nothing like a true 20fps gaming experience with the n64. If this console didn't have Nintendo written on it you'd say it's the worse 5th gen console by far, which it is, faggot.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Sep 9, 2018 22:35:41 No.5033787 >>5030684 I assume your pic related is using an image splitter of some sort, which might introduce some lag. Otherwise, most games on N64 were 20fps slugfests.

Anonymous Sun, Sep 9, 2018 22:36:58 No.5033791

>>5033769
>why? Because the Saturn had optional RAM carts which brought back a few animation frames?
Even without the extra RAM carts, 2D games on Saturn are better than on PS, see: Mega Man VIII, Street Fighter Alpha 2, Thunder Force V
Also, you act as if most of PS1's 3D games were 60fps, which they aren't, and are still loaded with texture fluttering, incorrect 3D perspective, etc.
Stop being Sony fanboys guys, the PS is fine, I love it, but it's not the objective best console in terms of capabilities.

Anonymous Mon, Sep 10, 2018 05:19:45 No.5034181

>>5033762
>master of none
Horror games? Platforming? JRPG? It did many things right, but keep jerking off to technical capabilities, not even Sonyfag here, but no one wins console generations with technology, and I'm not saying "winning" in sales either, Sony only won sales and hardware with the PS4 anyway.

Anonymous Mon, Sep 10, 2018 05:28:02 No.5034186

>>5033769
>gotta love those frame rates in Conker, Perfect Dark, Turok 2 and Majora's Mask!
Hey, I can cherry pick too! Gotta love those high framerates on PS1 in Chrono Cross, Shadow Man, and MDK.

>also gotta love the tiny texture bus
PS1 has a 2 KB texture cache on a 32-bit bus.

N64 has a 4 KB texture cache on a 128-bit bus.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Sep 10, 2018 06:44:07 No.5034239 >>5034181 >talking about tech >mentions game genres ?

>>	Anonymous Mon, Sep 10, 2018 06:52:01 No.5034243 >>5034239 Because tech is not relevant when talking about games, it's just masturbatory talk that helps no one but marketers. Jaguar was more powerful than the Megadrive too, and yet here we are.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Sep 10, 2018 06:55:24 No.5034245 Saturnfags are the 90s Vitafags. >library has likely 10 good games and then 500+ shitty VN """""games""""" and mahjong shovelware >parade it around like some god tier console that can rival the psx and n64 because of some anime tits

Anonymous Mon, Sep 10, 2018 07:02:17 No.5034251

>>5034186
>Gotta love those high framerates on PS1 in Chrono Cross, Shadow Man, and MDK.
The difference is that none of those are considered good games, let alone highlights of the PS1, which has far better games, while Conker, Perfect Dark, Turok 2 and Majora's Mask ARE N64 stars.

Anonymous Mon, Sep 10, 2018 07:11:26 No.5034253

It's clear that in terms of hardware power the N64 is unquestionably superior, of course, it was released in 1996, and the PS and Saturn, in 1994. Technology advanced fast on the 90s. I say that Nintenkids should stop bullying the little guys and take on the BIG guy, the Dreamcast, which is also separated by a 2 year difference from the N64.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Sep 10, 2018 08:48:26 No.5034342 >>5034251 >moving the goal posts >actually arguing chrono cross is not supposed to be a highlight of the ps1

Anonymous Mon, Sep 10, 2018 08:54:31 No.5034352

>>5034253
Technically there was a 1.5 year difference between PS1 and N64 and a 2.5 year difference between N64 and Dreamcast.

Dreamcast had really good hardware in it, and Sega were selling it on a loss (albeit not as big as Saturn). N64’s hardware was powerful for the time but Nintendo could have taken it much further. They deliberately gimped the hardware in a few ways so they could make mad profit on each unit sold.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Sep 10, 2018 08:55:17 No.5034353 >>5030419 Mischief Makers. That is it though. Only one game.

Anonymous Mon, Sep 10, 2018 10:15:35 No.5034443

>>5034352
Every Nintendo console has had something to hold them back from being truly great. They make sure to fix that fuck up when the next generation comes, only to fuck up on another area.

The NES had tight sprites on screen limitations, which meant it's games were always graphically poor.

The SNES had plenty of graphical resources, but it was all for naught due to having a slow ass processor, which made the framerate a serious concern and almost ruined the console, it was only saved by brand loyalty of the North American market.

The N64 had plenty of power and even a GPU, something was unheard on consoles and that even PCs were just starting to develop at the time, but it was all wasted due to the laughable texture cache and the outdated cartridge format.

The Gamecube solved those issues, but it's GPU was a joke and minidiscs were only marginally better than cartridges.

Every system since then just lacked power, but by then Nintendo didn't care anymore and just wants the "casual" market.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Sep 10, 2018 10:24:56 No.5034463 >>5034443 Amazing... almost everything in your post was wrong

>>	Anonymous Mon, Sep 10, 2018 10:27:58 No.5034472 >>5034463 Care to refute it? Or it's "you wrong because I say so and I am right!"?

Anonymous Mon, Sep 10, 2018 10:39:34 No.5034489

>>5034472
Both NES and Master System support 8 sprites per line.

SNES was let down harder by the speed of its RAM and VRAM than the processor.

The N64 had the largest texture cache ever put into a home gaming system (including PC) when it was released in 1996.

The GameCube’s bigger weakness was its CPU which did not support true vector SIMD, not its GPU. The mini disks were almost of no disadvantage to GameCube, unlike cartridges. The vast majority of 6th games were 1.5 GB or less, and mini disks were only marginally more expensive to make than DVDs.

Anonymous Mon, Sep 10, 2018 14:12:38 No.5034838

>>5034243
That doesn't change the fact that N64 was better at 3D and Saturn at 2D
>but N64 has low framerate
so does the PS1
All 3 consoles have good games, Jaguar is not part of the big 3 of 5th gen.
>but PS has more games
Yes, sony fanboy, yes. That doesn't mean we should ignore the good games on N64 and Saturn.

Anonymous Mon, Sep 10, 2018 15:09:58 No.5034989

>>5034342
>doesn't know what moving the goal posts means
>thinks shoddy pc ports like fucking MDK are comparable to console selling exclusives like Conker

chrono cross is debatable. PS1 had so many games you could easily argue that it is or isn't a highlight of the library. N64 on the other hand had so few that it's not possible to disregard any of its classics.

you're a retard for not understanding this.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Sep 10, 2018 15:17:45 No.5035007 The idea that PS1 can match N64 graphics in general is not a serious opinion to hold and it's not worthy of discussion, so stop trying to legitimize your argument it is phony.

Anonymous Mon, Sep 10, 2018 18:48:59 No.5035401

>>5033023
That's because Nintendo was going after kids. PlayStation realized America and Europe are different than Japan and knew kids/teens want more mature games, while Nintendo really invested in family friendly IP. There were some mature games but not many gems

Didn't help that cartridges were expensive and had less memory than disks

Anonymous Mon, Sep 10, 2018 18:56:44 No.5035417

>>5035007
The graphics were wasted on the n64 since the cartridges couldn't hold much memory. You couldn't buy a game on 4 disks like final fantasy on PSX, since it was too expensive to buy all the carts. It was a restriction Nintendo knew how to work around but not many 3rd parties wanted to when laser disks were becoming standard

It could have been something way better

>>	Anonymous Mon, Sep 10, 2018 19:11:29 No.5035446 File: 29 KB, 512x409, 9d83da10ca864bdcf56cd90a5d4331acebe0488b_00.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5035007 some PS1 games had good graphics

Anonymous Mon, Sep 10, 2018 19:15:13 No.5035461

>>5035401
You're arguing with someone who thinks the PS1 had a couple of hundred good games and the N64 had 30 being "extremely generous". It's a lost cause.

>>5035417
It had the potential to blow PS1 out of the water on every front yes. In reality it still came up markedly better than PS1's with how it turned out, including with non-Rare third party games. This shouldn't be such a surprise considering that the N64 was released long after the PS1 and was much more expensive at the time.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Sep 10, 2018 19:23:29 No.5035480 >>5035461 You clearly don't even know the libraries of these consoles you're talking about. Shut the fuck up.

Anonymous Mon, Sep 10, 2018 21:28:29 No.5035751

>>5035417
The CD storage doesn't really give you THAT much advantage though, and has the hassle of loading times.
Most games of the time aren't really that big, most of the CD capacity was used on FMVs and audio, not actual game graphic assets.
Sony fanboys are really loud and obnoxious though, it's kind of boring to argue with them.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Sep 10, 2018 22:12:40 No.5035861 >>5035751 >The CD storage doesn't really give you THAT much advantage though It really does though with how much cheaper a CD was

>>	Anonymous Mon, Sep 10, 2018 22:54:43 No.5035945 >>5035861 I mean in terms of what you could actually do in the games. No matter how much storage your CD has to includo videos or sound, the system is still going to be limiting what the game can do.

Anonymous Mon, Sep 10, 2018 23:04:33 No.5035968

>>5035945
Right. I'm not going to argue that the PSX had the better hardware, but the cartridges cut into profits for 3rd party publishers. And considering the differences between the N64 and PSX, game devs were forced to pick a camp. It makes sense to go with the more popular system especially when it means more profit per unit

>>	Anonymous Tue, Sep 11, 2018 00:39:05 No.5036190 >>5033787 The PVMs are probably just daisy chained

>>	Anonymous Tue, Sep 11, 2018 06:26:39 No.5036531 >>5030419 I'm considering buying it as soon as I get some money. Already have the NES and SNES, this seems like the logical next step and it's a great system with many good worthwile games

Anonymous Tue, Sep 11, 2018 06:26:41 No.5036532

>>5035751
>>5035945
>>5035968
Cartridges were a big pain for developers, but it's also true that the N64 was a significantly harder development platform than PS1.

Even so here's a quote from one guy who programmed on both PS1 and N64:

>N64: Everything just kinda works. For the most part, it was fast and flexible. You never felt like you were utilizing it well. But, it was OK because your half-assed efforts usually looked better than most PS1 games

>>	Anonymous Tue, Sep 11, 2018 14:23:12 No.5037323 >>5036532 I don't know about that quote, N64 had its fair share of inferior ports

>>	Anonymous Tue, Sep 11, 2018 14:24:48 No.5037330 >>5037323 >N64 had its fair share of inferior ports PS1 has way more inferior ports that generation.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Sep 11, 2018 14:32:04 No.5037354 >>5037330 Well yeah, not saying it didn't, it had four times as many games. Out of the releases on both PS1 and N64 though, it was pretty even.

Anonymous Tue, Sep 11, 2018 14:53:25 No.5037421

>>5037354
>Out of the releases on both PS1 and N64 though, it was pretty even.
I can't think of any multiplat that was much better on PS1 than on N64 outside of things like music tracks, like tony hawk.
Rayman 2 on N64 absolutely blows the PS1 port out of the water. I can't think of any instance where the PS1 version of a game is THAT much better than the N64 counterpart.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Sep 11, 2018 15:13:14 No.5037465 >>5035968 Sure but that only goes so far. There comes a point when the ps1 market gets saturated and it makes sense for the competent developer to go to N64 again where there is less competition.

Anonymous Tue, Sep 11, 2018 15:15:47 No.5037469

I prefer PS1 but 64 had solid gold like Mario, Zelda and Pokemon. I also enjoy Smash 64 the best because its the original.

64 knd of fails when it comes to games not made by Nintendo. There was Rare and tha was really all. Goldeneye and Banjo own though. But overall I think SNES had higher quality games.

Anonymous Tue, Sep 11, 2018 16:53:41 No.5037676

>>5037421
Might that be because you're clearly biased towards the N64? I suggest you look into it if you're interested, but the N64 had a number of shoddy ports. Mega Man 64, Doom 64, Gex, most EA games, and that's just off the top of my head.

Please understand I'm not saying the PS1 didn't have any games that weren't better on N64. Like you said the PS1 version of Rayman 2 was the worst, and Gauntlet Legends, Rush, and Glover were also pretty bad.

Anonymous Tue, Sep 11, 2018 18:14:53 No.5037832

>>5037676
Nah, I was an idort back then, I'm pretty neutral to all 3 of them.
>shoddy ports
>Mega Man 64
Actually corrects various problems from the original on PS1, and served as the base for the superior version on PC, but yeah it was a lazy port, could have been much better and of course doesn't have CD audio
>Doom 64
Not even a port of any game, it's an original game made exclusively for the system.
>gex
>EA
Come on
I mean I don't even need to be a N64 fanboy to see that the N64 was more powerful than the PS1, these systems were released 2 years apart.
I already said that N64 doesn't have CD audio or FMVs, but as far as actual technical capabilities go, especially 3D rendering, it beats the PS1. This is not a fanboy opinion, it's a fact, and again, this is not to say "hurr the N64 is good, PS1 sucks", it makes logical sense because again, PS1 is from late 94, N64 is mid 96.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Sep 11, 2018 18:23:06 No.5037845 >>5030765 I really wouldn't be surprised if they had a bunch of wii boards in a warehouse that they'd house in a new shell with vc games loaded on it and a new gui.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Sep 11, 2018 18:23:37 No.5037849 The N64 only had Nintendo and Rare making flagship titles. The rest were meh or better on the PS1 like the THPS series. Sony on the other hand had great games by multiple studios coming out all the time

>>	Anonymous Tue, Sep 11, 2018 18:38:36 No.5037872 >>5037832 You're changing the argument. I didn't say PS1 was more powerful than the N64. I said the N64 had some inferior ports of multiplats, and then listed some I remember. >mega man legends superior version on PC So you're just trolling?

Anonymous Tue, Sep 11, 2018 18:41:13 No.5037876

>>5037872
Well, you responded to my post which said there's no PS1 game that looks THAT much better than its N64 counterpart, and I think that's true. On audio stuff (like Tony Hawk) I won't comment since, first of all I was never into TH, and second of course audio CD is going to be better and cleaner.
And maybe I'm remembering wrong, but I thought the Legends port on PC was the best? Like had the highest resolution textures and doesn't have the wobbling stuff from the PS1 version. Was there something wrong with it?

>>	Anonymous Tue, Sep 11, 2018 18:49:32 No.5037889 >>5030567 The Man With No Taste

>>	Anonymous Tue, Sep 11, 2018 18:59:23 No.5037902 >>5037889 >jarpig accusing others of having no taste LMAO

>>	Anonymous Tue, Sep 11, 2018 21:52:23 No.5038269 >>5037872 It barely HAD any multiplatform games AT ALL.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Sep 11, 2018 22:10:08 No.5038292 >>5037469 >64 knd of fails when it comes to games not made by Nintendo. There was Rare and tha was really all. This is utterly ludicrous nonsense. Are we forgetting Lucasarts? Acclaim? Midway? Ubisoft? Activision? EA? Etc?

>>	Anonymous Tue, Sep 11, 2018 22:12:43 No.5038295 File: 55 KB, 355x355, goeOST.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5038292 >not mentioning Konami and Hudson

Anonymous Tue, Sep 11, 2018 22:19:09 No.5038297

>>5038269
>It barely HAD any multiplatform games AT ALL.
This is nonsense.
>>5037849
>The N64 only had Nintendo and Rare making flagship titles.
We are talking about the console that received five different Lucasarts games, four of which were console exclusives. Look at Ubisoft. Was Rayman 2 not flaship enough for you? Was Rocket Robot on Wheels (Sucker Punch, published by Ubisoft) not flagship enough? Were Turok 1, 2, 3, Rage Wars, Forsaken, and Shadow Man not flagship enough? Were the likes of Quake II, Doom 64, and The World is Not Enough not flagship enough? That's not even considering other games like Rainbow 6 that were butchered on PS1 but quite faithful on N64. Remember all the N64's racing games, too? Wipeout 64, Extreme-G, Extreme-G2, and so on. The way people talk you'd think third party developers didn't make N64 games. I'm not sure where this idea comes from.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Sep 11, 2018 22:58:58 No.5038360 >>5038295 >konami on N64 Give me a break dude. Yeah Goemon is nice but their N64 output is a total joke compared to what they had on PS1.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Sep 11, 2018 23:12:28 No.5038381 >>5038360 How many 3D Castlevania games did Konami release on the PS1?

Anonymous Tue, Sep 11, 2018 23:12:53 No.5038382

>>5038297
I get what you're saying but I think that guy meant flagship titles as in "flagship for the console" not, "flagship for the publisher". Aside from Turok and Doom 64 every game you listed was also on PS1, Dreamcast, or PC, and usually superior on one of those systems.

Meanwhile PS1 had COMPLETELY exclusive developer titles from Squaresoft, Eidos/Crystal Dynamics, Namco, Konami, Tecmo, Bandai, Atlus, Working Designs and more. It's easy to see why people say N64 third party support wasn't good.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Sep 11, 2018 23:13:59 No.5038383 File: 29 KB, 500x328, pepe78.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5038360 >liking 3Dvanias

>>	Anonymous Tue, Sep 11, 2018 23:15:51 No.5038387 >>5038381 Are you seriously, truly going to defend a game that was so bad it had to be re-released later that same year? Really dude? Can't just admit Konami was bad on N64?

Anonymous Tue, Sep 11, 2018 23:22:34 No.5038402

>>5037676
>but the N64 had a number of shoddy ports. Mega Man 64, Doom 64, Gex, most EA games, and that's just off the top of my head.

lmao... he listed Doom 64 as his second example of a "shoddy port" on the N64 hahahaha.

oh wait, this is just "off the top of my head", I guess if he sat and thought about it he'd come up with lots more, but Doom64 and the like are the ones that clearly stood out to him right?

"most EA games".... most EA games were superior and excellent on N64. Fifa 64 was rushed and a dud yes. Lad, I think you haven't the slightest CLUE what you're talking about.

Anonymous Tue, Sep 11, 2018 23:26:36 No.5038414

>>5038382
>Aside from Turok and Doom 64 every game you listed was also on PS1, Dreamcast, or PC, and usually superior on one of those systems.
When people talk about the PS1, the fact games like Final Fantasy VII and Metal Gear Solid were also on PC tends to get ignored. Also, the list of games that were on both N64 and PS1 but superior on PS1 is very short. The PS1 version of Shadow Man was a dumpster fire. The PS1 version of The World is Not Enough was a completely different game from a completely different developer. The PS1 version of Rainbow 6 was a completely different game that bore no resemblance to the PC version which the N64 version is based off. The N64 version of Quake II was like Doom 64. It was a standalone game that just happened to be called Quake II.
>Meanwhile PS1 had COMPLETELY exclusive developer titles from Squaresoft, Eidos/Crystal Dynamics, Namco, Konami, Tecmo, Bandai, Atlus, Working Designs and more.
You'll notice that almost every publisher you list there is Japanese. No shit, there weren't a lot of high profile Japanese games on the N64. It was a western-oriented console through and through. That's why all the arcade ports on N64 are from American companies and there are zero Japanese ones. Also, the only reason Tomb Raider wasn't on N64 was because Sony paid for exclusivity. Core released Fighting Force on N64, but in 1997, Phil Spencer cut a deal with Core to make all the Tomb Raider games exclusive to Sony consoles until 2000. Weirdly, he later did something similar when working at Microsoft with Rise of the Tomb Raider, and people lost their shit for some reason.

Anonymous Tue, Sep 11, 2018 23:27:51 No.5038417

>>5038387
Castlevania 64 and Legacy of Darkness have respective strengths and weaknesses. The game was re-released because it was released unfinished. You may dislike Castlevania 64, but that doesn't make it a bad game. It's certainly better than the 2D games, at the very least.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Sep 12, 2018 00:21:43 No.5038481 >>5038297 nigga do you not know what "flagship" means?

Anonymous Wed, Sep 12, 2018 00:31:26 No.5038486
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>>5038417
>You may dislike Castlevania 64, but that doesn't make it a bad game. It's certainly better than the 2D games, at the very least.
>better than the 2D games, at the very least.
What else are they better than?

>>	Anonymous Wed, Sep 12, 2018 01:07:32 No.5038527 File: 1.96 MB, 480x320, completelynormal.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5038417 >better than the 2D games

>>	Anonymous Wed, Sep 12, 2018 02:40:50 No.5038594 >>5038417 3D Castlevania is SHIT.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Sep 12, 2018 03:05:47 No.5038623 >>5038481 Define it for me then, anon.

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