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Anonymous Fri Sep 7 18:48:42 2018 No.5029425 [Reply] [Original]

One of the best videogames of all time (if not THE best) according to many, winner of several game of the year awards in an already amazing year for gaming, is a first person shooter with platforming sections and very loose controls and physics that are not suited for such a thing. And don't even get me started on all the other dumb shit in this game, like how it relies on savescumming to get through, or how most of the time it has you fighting the dull bullet sponge soldiers that always know exactly where you are and are dead accurate even with grenades, or also the entirety of XEN. I'm convinced people were simply blown away by the graphics and immersion to even care about the gameplay, I mean all I heard about it back in its day was that the graphics were so good it would never run on my computer. And I'll admit it IS quite immersive, and not just because playing the game is probably about as unpleasant as actually being in gordon's shoes.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 7 18:55:38 2018 No.5029437 opposing force is better

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 7 19:03:19 2018 No.5029453 >>5029437 muh nigga

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 7 19:11:44 2018 No.5029463 >>5029425 >Dat pixels I didn't know that there was a PS1 port for Half Life

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 7 19:21:06 2018 No.5029481 >>5029425 This reads like a script for a clickbait YouTube article.

Anonymous Fri Sep 7 19:24:28 2018 No.5029489

>yet another "This popular retro game actually sucks ass!" thread
Having actually been alive back then, I know why it was popular. Because it WASN'T a rambo-fest adrenaline shooter like every other fucking FPS out there at the time. It wasn't Doom, it wasn't Unreal, it wasn't Quake. It wasn't a game about grabbing the biggest gun and making the biggest explosion possible, it was a FPS about staying alive against the world. Before everyone realized the AI for the grunts could be cheesed by ramboing them, the fact the AI actually moved and worked as a team to take you down was highly praised. Beat the hell out of every other FPS where the enemy just keeps moving towards you while shooting after spotting you.

I remember the fun people had in playing around with the game. Luring scientists into tripmines, pushing security guards into deathtraps, shoving people into an elevator, hitting the switch, then throwing a grenade in as it leaves, good times.
>whining about the movement/controls in Half-Life
Yeah, it was so goddamn horrible people made tons of single player and multiplayer mods for it while leaving the movement/controls intact. How about you make a thread whining about how wall-jumping in Super Metroid is hard?

Anonymous Fri Sep 7 19:50:50 2018 No.5029530
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>complaining that the controls and physics are bad for what the game wants you to do
>when HL1 uses what is essentially stock quake 1 controls physics

If you're having problems with Quake 1's buttery smooth controls and physics you're the one that's fucking up, not the game. People can do shit like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rejCKeshZNI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AH5Gk69vIhw with HL1's "very loose controls and physics". Git gud.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 7 20:37:54 2018 No.5029608 >>5029463 close, its dreamcast

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 7 20:42:43 2018 No.5029612 >>5029481 It does but he's not wrong about the endgame. The Gonarch boss has multiple gamebreaking bugs that halt progress and force you to load a save from the previous level.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 7 21:01:40 2018 No.5029637 >>5029437 go to bed Randy

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 7 21:13:33 2018 No.5029650 >>5029612 I got stuck even earlier, when you're captured and transported to a dark room instead of the trash compactor. I waited a lot for them to walk in, turn on the lights and start interrogating me, but it turned out to be just a common glitch.

Anonymous Fri Sep 7 21:29:48 2018 No.5029670

>>5029530
Yeah typical "if you don't like the game it means you're bad at it" response.
The big difference between quake and HL is that quake is actually aware what its controls and physics are good for, i.e. running around killing dudes rather than jumping around on thin ledges over bottomless pits and exciting air duct crawling action

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 7 21:41:11 2018 No.5029680 >>5029437 OP4 is the greatest expansion pack ever. Anyone who disagrees can fight me right now.

Anonymous Fri Sep 7 21:45:14 2018 No.5029685

>>5029437
I don't know how but this is somewhat true. I think it's due to being shorter and focusing on being an action shooter instead of slowly unravelling a story and plot. You already know what's happening so here's what you don't see plus more aliens to shoot. Great expansion

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 7 23:18:14 2018 No.5029790 >>5029670 This is /vr/, the place where any FPS more complex than Doom gets complained about having "bad mechanics". "Git gud" is a valid response.

Anonymous Fri Sep 7 23:39:27 2018 No.5029820

It doesn't seem that good now because game released after copied everything from it. This game in 1998 featured ridable monorails, interactive knobs, structures, ingame cutscenes where the characters move, interaction with terminals and objects, throwable objects with physics, coloured lighting and destruction. Compare that to quake 2.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 7 23:40:09 2018 No.5029821 >>5029820 Comparing anything to Quake makes a game look favorable though.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 7 23:42:45 2018 No.5029830 >>5029437 Basically any other well-made mod is better than the base game. We like to speak of Half-Life being great in general.

Anonymous Fri Sep 7 23:45:23 2018 No.5029837

The reason everyone bought Halflife was for all of its mods. Picking up Halflife let you play free mods like Day of Defeat and Counter Strike that were individually better than retail games. Fapping over the single player (especially 2's) is just journo shills. No actual people still care about it, everything good about the single player are tech demo type stuff that every game does now.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 01:07:27 2018 No.5029939 >>5029425 >he has to savescum in hl1 you just suck ass

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 01:52:41 2018 No.5030050 >>5029425 Never understood why people always tried to meme on Half-Life's physics. They were actually really well done and movement feels great. Platforming is easy and people loved pushing surfing and platforming skills with racing maps.

Anonymous Sat Sep 8 05:36:51 2018 No.5030201
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>>5029425
>is a first person shooter with platforming sections
>and very loose controls and physics that are not suited for such a thing
The controls and physics are fine, you just suck.
I never got why people complained about the limited amount of first person platforming in Half-Life, it was never bothersome or hard.

>And don't even get me started on all the other dumb shit in this game, like how it relies on savescumming
Sounds like you need a good old dose of Git Gud.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 05:38:19 2018 No.5030203 >>5030050 Because they're scrubs. I don't get how you can not get a feel for your hitbox, your speed, and your distance, you learn it super quick.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 05:41:23 2018 No.5030210 >>5029463 Not everyone had a 3D accelerator card.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 06:01:17 2018 No.5030226 File: 378 KB, 1000x625, They_Hunger_church.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5029837 I got years of fun out of singleplayer Half-Life mods. It's a shame how it's basically died off as a modding engine now.

Anonymous Sat Sep 8 06:35:54 2018 No.5030251
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>>5029425
It's okay, but it's literally Cawadoodie of the late 90s and early 00s, a cinematic tube shooter that made a minor nudge forward in the genre's standards of accessibility, sense of visual spectacle and storytelling.

Anonymous Sat Sep 8 06:47:35 2018 No.5030261

>>5030201
>The controls and physics are fine, you just suck.
>I never got why people complained about the limited amount of first person platforming in Half-Life, it was never bothersome or hard.

>Sounds like you need a good old dose of Git Gud.
This exactly. I saw OP being such a retard and naturally assumed underage or troll. Honestly platforming is great in half life, it's just most people aren't used to any real platforming in fps games. If he honestly thinks the platforming is bad, I feel sorry for him as one of the most enjoyable activities is learning conc jumping maps on Team Fortress (Classic). There are still servers up and while sparsely populated for the most part, you can still find expert conc jumpers who don't mind showing a newbie the ropes.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 08:13:24 2018 No.5030328 >>5030261 Yeah, Half-Life has better player movement and platforming than a lot of games these days. I mean you could probably add things like mounting/climbing ledges and shit like that to the engine, and it'd work just fine.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 13:23:24 2018 No.5030732 Just when I think /vr/ has reached its lowest depths in terms of being shitters, some retard lowers it even more by saying that Half-Life's controls and physics are bad.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 15:10:05 2018 No.5030935 >>5030251 >this reverse chronological logical thinking

Anonymous Sat Sep 8 21:50:25 2018 No.5031663

>>5029425
HL1 was legendary
Playing on WON, running Hammer editor and making my first simple map for an obscure mod, gems like Natural Selection, HL1 rally and Pirates Vikings Knights, Master Swords, etc...

I feel terrible for kids these days, they'll never experience the golden age of creativity in video games

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 23:19:28 2018 No.5031820 > OP probably thinks buggy physics on modern high-speed PCs is true to original

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 9 08:52:07 2018 No.5032389 >>5031820 Did Valve ruin the physics and controls on the Steam version too?

Anonymous Mon Sep 10 04:39:15 2018 No.5034164

>>5029425

I remember when this game first came out. What drew me in was the fact that it merged a compelling story with polygon FPS gameplay. That combination was unbelievable for it's time. Very immersive. I used to play it without the enemies on just to walk around and observe the scenery.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 06:03:32 2018 No.5034208 >>5030226 goldsrc mods will always be the comfiest thing there will ever be https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDfTz0kFOEA

Anonymous Tue Sep 11 03:33:53 2018 No.5036374

>>5029489
good points but most HL haters here don't seem to understand how many fucking awful FPS existed back then and seem to think if HL didn't exist the genre would somehow still be good (it's like blaming Alien for every garbage sci-fi horror film released since)

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 03:38:11 2018 No.5036378 >>5034208 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=js8zhtEx12o I wonder why they went with this track damn They Hunger was just kino

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 03:42:08 2018 No.5036383 >>5029425 ... how old are you to not get why HL1 was such a smashing hit? 15? 13?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 03:49:46 2018 No.5036390 >>5036383 it's pretending good games are bad and bad games are good I do have to wonder why nobody is coming out and saying TekWar was the best Build engine game though, kinda waiting for the day it happens

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 03:51:33 2018 No.5036393 >>5029463 Apparently vita has a half life port

Anonymous Tue Sep 11 06:19:03 2018 No.5036517

>>5036374
>and seem to think if HL didn't exist the genre would somehow still be good
Goldeneye already was out for a year before the original Half-Life and already proved that a FPS that wasn't a "rambo-fest" could get extremely high sales.

Half-Life was a milestone for FPS storytelling by combining scripted sequences with continuous level design. But when somebody tries to say it changed the direction of the FPS industry, well that's wrong. Goldeneye already did that.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 08:03:41 2018 No.5036682 The last section in the game is beyond atrocious. I'm also not sure where the notion that this game is 'complex' is coming from. It's pretty straightforward and not all that difficult to master.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 09:35:31 2018 No.5036812 >>5036517 >Half-Life was a milestone for FPS storytelling Unfortunately the game part sucks ass.

Anonymous Tue Sep 11 11:34:45 2018 No.5037006

>>5029437

I don't know if i'd say it's better overall, but god damn OpFor is definitely amazing. The only complaint i have about it is that it's a tad too lengthy. Half-life was just as long as it needed to be and whenever i play OpFor i always get to a point where i feel like it's gone on for JUUUUUST a little too long.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 11:42:39 2018 No.5037024 >>5030226 Fucking Desura dying made sure it's not going to be easy to draw new players to the modding scene. Moddb is full of "how do I install this".

Anonymous Tue Sep 11 12:31:29 2018 No.5037091

>>5036517

The way i like to view it is that Goldeneye was a breakout point that brought the fps genre further into the light than it had ever been, and then Half-life gave it a swift, hard kick in the ass to REALLY get it out there. it was a one-two combo that complimented each other.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 14:44:11 2018 No.5037390 >>5036812 git gud

Anonymous Tue Sep 11 22:48:15 2018 No.5038339

"Afraid of Monsters" was an amazing, if sometimes totally bullshit, single-player horror mod.

"Heart of Darkness" is one of the cheesiest and best mods every released for HL1...literally Apocalypse Now by way of Resident Evil by way of Peter Jackson. A war epic for our time.

"Firearms" was an amazing multiplayer mod, especially with bots.

"Action Half-Life" was also an amazing multiplayer mod, and doing bullet-time in singleplayer was fun as hell.

There was never a game with mods as good as HL1 after it came out, since everything just got way too costly to make. :(

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 23:05:32 2018 No.5038369 *"Heart of Evil"

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 23:10:54 2018 No.5038378 >>5029425 >my opinion is different from that other guy so I am right

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 12 05:54:24 2018 No.5038756 Half-Life is not immersive sim. It's pure speedrun game. This is how it's meant to be played: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9x1ZcQHhrSk

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 12 06:09:16 2018 No.5038761 >>5030251 I love you. I hate how people was always shitting their pants over how "awesome" HL is. I'm so happy gaben is never making another game ever again

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 12 06:20:24 2018 No.5038775 >>5038756 Yeah nothing like opening your speedrun game with a 40 minute monorail ride.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 12 06:35:22 2018 No.5038790 >>5038775 It can be skipped. Just type in console "map c1m0"

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 12 06:36:26 2018 No.5038792 fix: "map c1a0"

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