Not only is this the best Final Fantasy game, but it's also objectively the best video game of all time. You can't prove me wrong, no matter how hard you try.

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Anonymous Fri Sep 7 12:06:07 2018 No.5028717 [Reply] [Original]

Not only is this the best Final Fantasy game, but it's also objectively the best video game of all time. You can't prove me wrong, no matter how hard you try.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 7 12:25:47 2018 No.5028734 >>5028717 Bravely Default and Tactics are both better FF games.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 7 12:29:00 2018 No.5028738 Squallfags are bottom-tier humans

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 7 12:39:35 2018 No.5028753 Orphanage scene ruins 67% of the cast.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 7 12:41:40 2018 No.5028757 Terrible game.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 7 12:48:03 2018 No.5028771 >>5028717 I'm less inspired to prove you wrong than I am to play the game again.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 7 13:17:16 2018 No.5028817 >>5028734 >Bravely Default It was pretty fucking bad if you looked past the fluff.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 7 13:26:53 2018 No.5028829 >>5028757 Scrub

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 7 13:38:11 2018 No.5028846 >>5028717 Punch-Out!! is the best video game of all time.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 7 13:39:06 2018 No.5028848 >>5028717 > When your game is so broken you have to implement level scaling.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 7 13:39:23 2018 No.5028850 >>5028848 Nice try

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 7 14:04:56 2018 No.5028891 >>5028850 Right and I'm sure it was also by design that you can get the second best weapon in the game before you even beat Ifrit.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 7 14:16:34 2018 No.5028914 >>5028891 Yes, ff8 is breakable, but it's still the best entry in the series :)

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 7 14:51:47 2018 No.5028992 Is Final Fantasy the only series where "fans" only like one game and hate all the others in the series? Its tedious to read shit like this.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 7 14:55:59 2018 No.5028994 It's my favorite game in the series, but only by a margin, vii almost takes it. What tips it in viii's favor is the art direction, world and amazing soundtrack.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 7 16:58:42 2018 No.5029212 >>5028753 This, i love the game and the characters, but that sudden plot point is a fucking stop sign to the face.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 7 16:59:22 2018 No.5029214 >>5029212 How?

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 7 17:02:32 2018 No.5029217 >implying IV, V, and VI arem't the holy trinity of FF

Anonymous Fri Sep 7 17:06:36 2018 No.5029221

>>5029214

>Irvine: Wait you guys don't remember each other and i never said a thing up till this point about it?
>Oh shit we all grew up together?
>Oh shit the GF fuck our memories!
>Oh shit we're all a family!

Im sorry but, it was so out of nowhere. Even when i was a kid and generally accepted any storyline as cool i thought it was weird.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 7 17:07:23 2018 No.5029223 >>5028717 >You can't prove me wrong We don't have to, you are the one who make the claim, you are the one who has to back it up. So start writing that essay OP, i'll be waiting for you. See what i did there?

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 7 17:56:37 2018 No.5029319 I like the SNES games better.

Anonymous Fri Sep 7 18:13:06 2018 No.5029349

>>5029221
When Squall, Zell, Selfie, Quistis, Rinoa and Irvine board the train to Deling City, Irvine looks around and says something like "Perhaps it's fate?" before going to hit on Selphie. The childhood thing was hinted at early on, but yes, it does kind of come out of no where despite that extremely vague hint.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 7 19:18:41 2018 No.5029474 >>5029319 They have much better pacing and have better graphics. 8's an interesting experiment, but its kind of tedious, like most PSX era JRPGs. I don't hate FF8 though. It was interesting, at least.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 08:58:06 2018 No.5030375 >>5028717 Agreed.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 09:39:24 2018 No.5030413 >>5028753 This is the weak part in it. By pure coincidence they all happened to be from the same place with the same back-story? BULLSHIT! It would have been a more effective story if Edea was Squall's mother instead of the wife of a fat coward.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 09:41:46 2018 No.5030415 >>5030413 The only thing worse than the orphanage scene is how Cloud was living Zack's life xD

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 10:05:52 2018 No.5030440 >>5030415 Except that plot twist makes sense because Cloud always wanted to be a SOLDIER, and Zack was the hero he wanted to be. Its established early on in the game that this was always his goal.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 10:26:00 2018 No.5030465 >>5030440 It's a 3deep2edgy plot twist that tries way too hard to be deep

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 10:37:13 2018 No.5030489 >>5030465 No, its a fitting plot twist. You just dont learn about it until near the end of the game, For good reason too. Its way better than orphan family reunion for absolutely no reason at all. That and the time witchs plot hole with seifer.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 11:11:55 2018 No.5030546 >>5030489 What plot hole with Seifer?

Anonymous Sat Sep 8 12:19:17 2018 No.5030646

>>5028753
I knew about the orphanage scene before playing the game and I really didn't think it was that bad. It came way earlier than I expected it to, but it's not as if it ruined the whole game. After the scene I was really surprised that that was "it", you could disregard the scene entirely and the game flows about the same.

But the game's theme is fate and I'd just label the orphanage scene typical Japanese writing. I watch a lot of Japanese dramas and the game on a whole has the most Asian-style drama writing in probably all JRPGs I've played. For some reason they just eat that shit up. Even Persona 5 which is a recent title pulls the "everything was connected all along!" bullshit.

But it's still a weird game. It's like they purposefully chose to make the game's plot feel like you're recalling a barely remembered dream. The game only does a halfway job of its plot, and even though that's only enough to have the player assume that thing X might have possibly maybe happened, the game rolls with it like it did and acts like its pulled some masterpiece storywriting on you.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 12:21:57 2018 No.5030653 >>5030646 I think people bring up the orphanage scene because it is the dumbest thing, but its far from the only dumb thing. Really, everything about the plot after the failed assassination attempt on Edea is a trainwreck. I still liked FF8 more than 9

Anonymous Sat Sep 8 12:29:59 2018 No.5030667

>>5030653
Yeah, after finishing the game the whole monsters coming from the moon thing bothered me way more, but I think that was more about how it was delivered. In fact the orphanage scene's delivery was kind of the same. They were both announced so matter-of-factly as if they were something mundane.

And I prefer 9 but 8 is more fun in nearly every aspect t b h.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 16:43:28 2018 No.5031154 Not the best of all time but best ff. fuck anyone who says different. Cloud with a big sword or monkey boy zidane

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 17:43:25 2018 No.5031229 Awww, baby's first RPG. <3

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 17:47:46 2018 No.5031236 >>5029319 Good for you, they were objectively superior. FMV Fantasy was OK but nowhere near the greatness of (some of) those before it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 18:56:42 2018 No.5031326 Mi negro

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 19:13:55 2018 No.5031357 >>5028891 How do you get the second best weapon?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 20:23:39 2018 No.5031492 >>5028717 Well, we obviously can't agree on it being the best or not, but we can all agree it had the best Chocobo theme. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xErfUvB7NI

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 20:34:55 2018 No.5031508 >>5031492 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMYisFOaz1s Best comfy music

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 20:38:05 2018 No.5031516 >>5028717 convince me that the junction system wasn't awful

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 20:40:56 2018 No.5031520 >>5031516 You could skip encounters without any drawbacks.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 20:42:05 2018 No.5031526 >>5031516 It was actually a pretty cool idea. It's broken in its implementation though which is mostly why this game isn't great. That and AMNESIA. LOL

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>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 21:01:29 2018 No.5031572 >>5028717 Chrono Trigger > Every Final Fantasy > Chrono Cross

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>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 21:30:21 2018 No.5031628 >>5031530 >tfw this is me It's not a hard system, but I had no idea you could junction magic to level up stats. Got destroyed by Griepher, then finally realized something was wrong. >>5031576 Still the best minigame.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 21:35:17 2018 No.5031637 >>5031572 Kill yourself

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 21:36:44 2018 No.5031641 >>5031637 You first.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 21:41:09 2018 No.5031646 Final Fantasy VIII is what happens when budget and talent converge on a crappy idea.

Anonymous Sat Sep 8 21:42:03 2018 No.5031648
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Sometimes i feel like I'm retardrd amd than i realize a ff8 thread. Yes the game isn't the best in the series but I've read and seen irl multiple tines people not getting the junction system. It's literally you get magic and put it on a stat and it goes up. Some magic adds more power to certain stats. You can also add status effects to attack and defense.

I understood this as a child its an extremely simple concept. I honestly never understood how people could miss this. I'm literally retarded can't drive or tie my shoes on disability at 28 years old and i understood this. I've met smarter people say this also...this game isn't that fucking hard.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 21:47:21 2018 No.5031659 >>5028738 Squall is more absolutely alpha that the vast majority of FF protags. Decades old memes by people who didn't even play the game or don't get it say otherwise.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 21:47:47 2018 No.5031660 >>5031648 >Sephiroth >im gunna take over the world with my mommy what a badass

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 8 21:56:08 2018 No.5031672 >>5031659 He's a pussy who spent over 10 years of his life crying about being alone

Anonymous Sat Sep 8 22:12:17 2018 No.5031698

>>5031672
Squall has internalizations that people complain about unjustly saying he was emo and a pussy, but the fact of the matter is he carried everyone else throughout the entire story, every time the job had to be done he was the first person to do it and often had to operate on the fly to make up for his other teammates nearly constant fuckups. The only real problem he had, is his irrational turnaround to suddenly loving Rinoa out of nowhere.

Anonymous Sat Sep 8 23:30:10 2018 No.5031834

>>5028992

I love IV, VI, VIII, IX and X

I like V and VII

I, II and III are kinda meh for me having played the rest before them but they are still interesting.

It's just people trying to counter-troll the rutinary "beating up X game" (now the trend seems to be disliking Mario 64 and OoT) enter the game and becaming trolls at the same time or maybe falseflagging just to see people fighting etc.

Anonymous Sat Sep 8 23:55:57 2018 No.5031873

>>5028992
I've been going through FF games this year, and honestly I like all of them.

Obviously, the earlier entries aren't very good these days but I can appreciate them for what they did, and what they tried to do over how barebones they are. FF1 is my least favourite of the bunch, but it doesn't mean I hate it.

Same with FF5, it was my least favourite SNES one, but overall it's a fine game with a cool gameplay system, and I liked the multiple different worlds.

FF8 is my least favourite PS1 one, but I think it was the most unique FF game of the bunch, junction was an interesting concept and I loved being able to skip encounters since they were meaningless in the grand scheme of things.

I just think with FF, people played one when they were a kid and it was their favourite, and then played another which they didn't like. In this case FF7 to FF8, which would be quite confusing for a kid back then, so it just seems like they hate them.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 9 00:01:48 2018 No.5031880 File: 30 KB, 250x250, 1505195358710.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5028846 >not super punch-out

Anonymous Sun Sep 9 00:05:18 2018 No.5031886
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>>5028738
But Squall is great.

>>5031873
>honestly I like all of them
That's great. I stand by the statement that there aren't any bad FF games. There are some seriously bad JRPGs out there and even the worst FF Type-0 doesn't come close to that.

Anonymous Sun Sep 9 00:06:21 2018 No.5031887
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>>5030653
>everything about the plot after the failed assassination attempt on Edea is a trainwreck.

Because Squall dies after Edea impales him and everything past that point is a hallucination conjured up by his dying brain

Anonymous Sun Sep 9 00:12:15 2018 No.5031894
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But seriously though, people act like Squall is some emo loser kid for much of the game, but in truth the game makes fun of him half the time. Then you regularly get to see his inner monologues and realize that he cares for the rest of the party, he just doesn't know how to translate his thoughts into words and is afraid of feeling for others after his past.

There was one monologue in particular, I think some time after he starts being the defacto leader of the garden where I noticed how much I started to like him. He feels like a real character and is one of the better protags. Unless you're a Zidane/Bartzfag or haven't played the game I don't know how anyone could call Squall a shit character. The only iffy part about his character is him suddenly falling for Rinoa. That didn't feel organic at all, especially with how familiar you get with Squall after spending so much time in his head.

Anonymous Sun Sep 9 00:18:16 2018 No.5031902
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>>5031894
It's almost as if Squall is an introverted teenager who keeps on getting more and more bullshit he doesn't want to do being piled onto him and friends/bystanders looking up to him to be this strong leader when he doesn't want to or something.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 9 01:36:27 2018 No.5031996 >>5028717 Its fine. Not my least favorite, 9 gets that distinction.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 9 03:30:33 2018 No.5032106 >>5028992 It what happens when each game difference itself from the latest and have different goals in the mind of the developers which causes opinions to wildly vary.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 9 03:55:17 2018 No.5032129 lads squall is dead theory made me appreciate this game more, even if it's not true. I like to believe it is though

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 9 04:22:41 2018 No.5032148 >>5031229 How many times have you beat Wizardry IV?

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 9 10:33:06 2018 No.5032497 >>5032148 4

Anonymous Sun Sep 9 11:06:44 2018 No.5032542

>>5032129
But it's a really braindead theory. At least R=U has some standing and frames things differently. The former theory relies on Ulty's ice piercing and that could have been fixed by Ulty healing him to question him like you see is fucking done during the game. Everything beyond that FMV is extrapolation and "maybe he's dead become this thing that I think is weird happened" and starts to delve into stonerbro territory.

You know the theory has no standing when you try applying it to other games. FF8 isn't even the lone game in the FF series that you can apply the theory.

Look at FFIV:

Cecil died in the fire at Mist. The whole game is an egoist fantasy made up by Cecil, a man on the brink of death dreaming about what could have been and regretting his evil actions. Cecil is someone who refuses to see his king as inherently evil so his dream explores the idea that the king is just an imposter. That the father he never knew was a hero and guides him towards his true path and forgiveness. He's even forgiven by the Mysidians, the girl who he murdered in Mist grows up to be a strong person and forgives him for what he did to her and her mother.

That Cecil is actually from the moon and has a brother. A brother he never knew but appears to be evil, but it turns out that he's not and even he was controlled by someone else. That the love triangle between Cecil, Rosa and Kain is resolved and Cecil gets the girl at the end and becomes king of Banon. A happy ending for himself.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 9 14:47:02 2018 No.5032878 >>5031902 Ur not wrong

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 9 15:44:55 2018 No.5032983 >>5028717 Objectively correct opinion and i'm not even trolling

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 9 15:47:03 2018 No.5032990 >>5032542 >At least R=U has some standing and frames things differently And the producers laughed their asses off when they heard it

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 9 16:08:09 2018 No.5033034 >>5032990 Of course they would. They approved the retarded mess that was the original story. It's perfectly coherent that good ideas that would elevate said story from retarded to tolerable would crack them up.

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>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 9 20:54:43 2018 No.5033596 >>5031887 Fuck this theory though.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 9 21:15:39 2018 No.5033641 >>5033596 Squall's Dead is the normiest fan theory in the history of fan theories

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 9 22:31:46 2018 No.5033776 >>5030465 You don't know what 'edgy' means. It's psychological, yeah, that's not edgy

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 08:17:35 2018 No.5034308 >>5033776 Lol

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 08:31:18 2018 No.5034319 >>5030465 >everything i don't like is... [insert buzzword] man, can instantly tell we have a real intellectual on our hands right here!

Anonymous Mon Sep 10 09:23:15 2018 No.5034380

>>5028717
My experience:
When I played (in my young days) I didn't like it.
"How the fuck does Squall 3000 damage at level 80? Zidane does +6000 at level -50! Fuck this, G.F. for the win"
...until Ultimecia Castle, wreck me

Years later I found I was playing the wrong way.
The right way is Triple Triad, low level, Meltdown-Aura-Renzokuken
...wow, NOW I like the game. I didn't remember the story, and I was like what? story-loop ED, this is great!

tl;dr: it gets better when you know how to play

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 09:37:38 2018 No.5034391 >>5029221 Yep, even when I was 9, I generally accepted A LOT of bullshit, but I believe this was the first time I ever truly rejected a plot point.

Anonymous Mon Sep 10 09:41:45 2018 No.5034398

>>5034391
And to add to that point, I love how the game tells me Irvine didnt use GFs at all yet I used him in my main party, and always spammed GFs. This whole scene was literally half-assed. It was the point where the game started going downhill for me.

Anonymous Mon Sep 10 10:08:14 2018 No.5034426

>>5034398
Balamb Garden was the only Garden where GF use was common and seemed to be endorsed, the Garden that Irvine was from didn't have the same attitude. They never said that he never uses GFs, he just hadn't used them up to that point which is why his memory was intact.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 10:14:58 2018 No.5034441 >>5034426 Is when Squall gets Shiva and Questl the first time he's ever Junctioned GFs?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 12:31:24 2018 No.5034682 >>5034426 But I can run around in a bunch of random battles for 50 hours and spam gfs with Irvine. I would imagine that it would take affect on him eventually.

Anonymous Mon Sep 10 12:54:29 2018 No.5034715

>>5028717
This game has always left a bad taste in mouth, a shame too because I really like some parts of this game. The soundtrack is amazing and I really like the junction system, then the game shits the bed.
> triple triad is ass
> the story makes no sense once they bring the moon in
> the invisible magazines needed for better gear and overall how useless money is
> constant party changing breaks the game for me too
Due to the constant party shuffling Squall ended about 30lvs ahead of everyone else and the fucked scaling meant squall one shot everything and like three shot bosses. Although the cheese strats for this game are good.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 14:38:49 2018 No.5034895 >>5034715 >triple triad is ass Nah-ah. I played even the fan made online version of that with extra decks from other FF games.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 14:42:16 2018 No.5034908 >>5028738 ...Whatever

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>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 15:49:49 2018 No.5035075 >>5035019 Fake

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 17:58:11 2018 No.5035330 >>5033641 except for Rugrats Theory

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 18:25:54 2018 No.5035371 >>5031648 based

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 20:38:31 2018 No.5035659 >>5028717 Preach brother

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 20:58:50 2018 No.5035698 Only a Plank Between One and Perdition is the most honorable track ever.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 07:33:59 2018 No.5036645 >>5028717 Fuck off

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 11:38:33 2018 No.5037015 >>5031902 literally /ourboi/

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 12:05:32 2018 No.5037053 >>5028717 While I enjoy FFVIII and think it's a good game, it's not even the best game in it's series, let alone of all time. It's one of the most underated games in the series though, next to FFIII and FFV.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 12:36:28 2018 No.5037105 >>5037053 Let me guess, the best game in the series is 6, 7 or 10?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 14:32:11 2018 No.5037356 >>5037053 >FFIII I think you mean FFII.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 14:33:25 2018 No.5037359 >>5037356 FII is generally rate exactly as it should be.

Anonymous Tue Sep 11 15:00:59 2018 No.5037445
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>>5037359
But no. FFII is a great, underrated game. People only hate it because its different. It and FFVIII are the only games you can go into a thread to discuss and see people talking about the game who clearly haven't played it.

The game's growth system is a clear evolution of FFI's static classes. When it comes to its gameplay, some things aren't spelled out for you and that's bullshit, but I forgive that for how ambitious the game is and besides, you should be playing the PSX version anyway. It has a refreshing, incredibly grounded plot that never feels too over the top, tragic actors for a cast and an incredibly strong atmosphere.

FFII is about being 99% close to completely losing the fight against the enemy and only barely surviving. At every turn, people die and the empire wins and the only thing pushing anyone on on is hope. Every victory you make is only a small one and the empire is always either half a step behind you, or one step ahead of you. At the end of the game, some many people have sacrificed their lives for the party that you get this feeling that you can't possibly lose for their sake. Even after you defeat the emperor, it feels like you were too late and so many things have already been lost.

People give FFVI props, but FFII communicated a hopeless fight long before FFVI and arguably in a much stronger way.

Meanwhile FFIII is just a FFV beta with a shoddy story.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 16:03:59 2018 No.5037591 >>5037105 I'm honestly a FFIX guy. I don't like FFX, though. >>5037356 I don't like FFII, the leveling system ruins it for me.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 17:28:58 2018 No.5037756 >>5037591 >I don't like FFII, the leveling system ruins it for me. I don't understand. Unlike the Junction system, there's nothing to even do. You just play.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 20:47:42 2018 No.5038151 >>5037445 This guy gets it

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 12 00:55:38 2018 No.5038513 >>5037445 If FFIII is a beta for FFV. FFII is a beta for the Saga series.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 12 16:03:20 2018 No.5039574 >>5033596 That theory is the only thing making the latter of the story remotely believable.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 12 16:54:47 2018 No.5039681 >>5031894 >he just doesn't know how to translate his thoughts into words Ah fuck, he's an Autism, isn't he? That explains it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 12 18:42:32 2018 No.5039974 >>5028717 Ff8 I'd good, but not that good. Especially considering DUAL ORB 2 came out prior

Anonymous Wed Sep 12 20:21:23 2018 No.5040205

>>5039574
>believable in a fantasy game
Are you trolling? Sorcerous from the future who wants to compress time is the best story in fiction, but aside from that, what the fuck does believable have to do with anything in vidya? Is any FF game believable? Silent Hill? Resident Evil? Mega Man? Elder Scrolls? What the fuck kind of criticism is believable in regards to a Final FANTASY game?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 12 20:32:26 2018 No.5040225 >>5029221 It's mentioned in at least one place that GF dwells in the same place as memories when junctioned.

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>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 12 23:41:48 2018 No.5040508 >>5029217 IV, V, VI and VII are the greatest streak of games in any franchise ever produced

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 13 05:17:23 2018 No.5040804 >>5040504 >reddit

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 13 08:35:50 2018 No.5040957 >>5039974 Lol

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 13 11:01:36 2018 No.5041151 >>5040804 Reddit doesn't like any FF. They think random encounters are obsolete and annoying.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 13 11:05:18 2018 No.5041157 >>5041151 >Yeah reddit amirite guiz? ;) kys

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 13 11:08:16 2018 No.5041165 >>5037445 People hate it because the use-based leveling system is fucking awful. People like FFVI because they like the characters. No one gives a shit about FFII's characters.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 13 11:10:20 2018 No.5041173 >>5041157 Did you mean to reply to >>5040804 ?

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 13 12:07:43 2018 No.5041241 if i'm playing this on a PSP will I lose anything from the experience do you think? Debating whether to play on a handheld (take it everywhere) or on my PC.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 13 12:12:22 2018 No.5041251 >>5041151 how would you know that?

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 13 12:34:40 2018 No.5041294 >>5041151 That's /v/

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 13 12:37:09 2018 No.5041301 >>5041241 FF8? Its the exact same game on PSP. Wear headphones/plug your psp into a stereo and its the same experience.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 13 18:59:31 2018 No.5041860 Nintendo has betrayed me. I wuv this game.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 13 19:06:07 2018 No.5041871 >>5028717 Only game not coming to the switch. Damnnnnn lol

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 13 19:07:09 2018 No.5041872 >>5041860 >>5041871 I know hating on FF8 is a common opinion but I didn't realise Square themselves hated it?

Anonymous Thu Sep 13 20:25:51 2018 No.5042005
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>>5028717
This game's next on my RPG list after I finish Radiant Historia (loved it) and the first Phantasy Star. Taking into account I liked VII a lot, and V still being my favorite FF... what am I in for, /vr/?

I barely know anything about it other than the Gilgamesh cameo,

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 13 20:46:00 2018 No.5042035 >>5042005 Busted Gameplay Nice world and setting Stupid plot and characters Great music as usual with FF

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 13 20:47:50 2018 No.5042038 >>5041872 Square Enix thinks on money. "So, the people on the internet says FFVIII is shit, not re-releasing it."

Anonymous Thu Sep 13 20:56:52 2018 No.5042061
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>>5040205
Exactly man, people lose their suspension of belief over the stupidest shit.

Then even worse, is that the fucking issue everyone loses it over in the orphanage scene is hinted at multiple times. Memory issues are shown where squall doesn’t remember the guy at fisherman’s horizon, the garden workers saying don’t believe what people say about GFs, how the prompts in the classroom remark upon it, etc.
And then, it even ties into the story moreso in that the time spent there and Edea’s encounter with Ultemecia and Squall led to the creation of SEED and furthers the theme of fate. Motherfuckers lose their mind over something that’s actually woven into the game because all of a sudden they think they’re supposed to be watching a real life documentary or something.

Anonymous Thu Sep 13 20:57:42 2018 No.5042067
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>>5042035
The plot is fucking amazing though? I don't understand why you low iq retards pretend like Ultimecia isnt the best antagonist in FICTION. No antagonist compares to the sorceress from the future who wants to compress time. Everything about the game is perfect. FFVIII literally has the best magic casting in jrpgs.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 13 21:00:06 2018 No.5042072 >>5042005 >>5042035 Oh and the card game is great(with the right rules) >>5042067 >FFVIII literally has the best magic casting in jrpgs. Only magic that's worth using are Aura and Meltdown.

Anonymous Thu Sep 13 21:03:43 2018 No.5042082

>>5042072
Not even close kid. Using two casters and casting Cerberus for double and triple on your entire party leads to spell weaving that is beyond your comprehension. I will admit that Aura Meltdown Renzokuken is busted as fuck and I abused it a lot when I was a kid using Squall/Zell/Irvine. Squall/Rinoa and either Selphie or Quistis with full magic is literally godtier jrpg casting.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 13 21:48:20 2018 No.5042149 File: 2.51 MB, 1280x1920, 208.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5029221

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 13 21:53:22 2018 No.5042156 >>5042149 I forgot about that!

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 13 21:55:20 2018 No.5042162 >>5029221 You skimmed through the game.

Anonymous Thu Sep 13 22:42:55 2018 No.5042216

>>5030646
I think the fate part has a much larger significance in this game than most people seem to realize. The way I understood it is that Squall is essentially the hero that was prophecized much like the common classic old JRPG stories. However, this game took a different approach to that formula. Usually this type of story would involve the characters simply accepting the prophecy, going on a journey, fulfilling their role and destiny to save the world. This time we're introduced to a very introspective main character who's going through the awkward teenage phase of his life. When Cid tries to put Squall on the path of the prophecy, Squall instead feels like others are constantly trying to put his whole life on rails and feels a lack of agency in his own life. He wants his own free will to control his fate.
Eventually he'll accept his role because he has the power and means to do the things that must be done even if it means following a predestined path. Meanwhile we have Ultimecia who's trying to avoid being killed as the prophecy foretold by doing the time compression which would create a world in which only she can live in. Ironically this action opens up a path for Squall and co. to travel to the time and space in which Ultimecia exists through the use of Ellone's powers. Ultimecia's precautions which are a result of the prophecy ends up fulfilling the prophecy in getting her killed.
I thought it was all pretty interesting even if the plot and story wasn't always executed perfectly.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 13 22:55:28 2018 No.5042225 >>5028717 oh ok. locks thread

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 13 23:02:14 2018 No.5042235 File: 324 KB, 711x1228, Zell.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Zell is cool, even though he has a face tattoo

Anonymous Thu Sep 13 23:56:42 2018 No.5042313

>>5028717
The locations, semi-modern theme, and ambience were generally really cool. But it's a shame that the gameplay is easily exploitable and a portion of the story is so fucking wacked-out that it ruins the rest.

I mean, you go from being a mercenary hired to fight off an evil warmongering army invading your lands on foot to a spaceship pilot who, with the help of his friends who coincidentally all went to the same orphanage together, fight a demon sorceress witch through time and space?

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 14 05:19:22 2018 No.5042605 >>5042235 Zell's my favourite kind of character, that upbeat idiot who's a bit hot headed but would be a good friend otherwise. I always had him and best girl Selphie in my party. They were also a fun contrast to Squall.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 14 06:41:59 2018 No.5042669 >>5042313 Sounds about as absurd as any other FF game.

Anonymous Fri Sep 14 06:44:27 2018 No.5042672

>>5042067
I don't think people argue that a future sorceress wanting to compress time isn't cool. However that is barely a focus of the plot until right near the end. What people take issue with mainly is the '''love''' ''''''story'''''' with Squall and Rinoa

Anonymous Fri Sep 14 06:48:01 2018 No.5042674

>>5029221
>>5029349
>>5042149
yeah yeah, everyone says "hurr it's foreshadowed that GFs cause memory loss" which would be fine in and of itself but what makes that 'twist' so random and unsatisfying is that NO-ONE DOES ANYTHING ABOUT IT. You'd think maybe forgetting such a large part of your childhood would prompt the gang to maybe take the warnings about GFs causing memory loss a bit more seriously, but nope, never brought up again and never has any noticeable effects ever again on anyone ever. It's almost as if that plot point was created on the fly and a couple NPCs dialog were tweaked to 'hint' at the twist that was planned all along and crucial to the story, totally.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 14 06:59:50 2018 No.5042680 >>5042672 Ultimecia is active from the very start of the game and you see her true form at the end of disc 2 when it leaves Edea's body. You learn her name shortly after that at the beginning of disc 3. I don't understand the "out of nowhere" crowd.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 14 07:25:30 2018 No.5042698 >>5042680 I didn't say out of nowhere, I said it wasn't a focus of the plot. The plot early on is focused on the warring Gardens and Squall/Rinoa's twue wuv.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 14 08:19:42 2018 No.5042761 >>5042698 It was absolutely a focus of the plot though...a focus of the plot from the very start of the game.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 14 09:35:44 2018 No.5042847 >>5042605 Yeah the Squall and Zell dynamic was great

Anonymous Fri Sep 14 11:07:41 2018 No.5042940

>>5042674
I agree. The very least they could do is address the issue through dialogue and weighing the pros and cons of using GFs. They would presumably come to the conclusion that it's a necessity to use GFs despite the consequences, but they could still acknowledge the memory loss issue by ending the dialogue with reminding everyone to be on the lookout for any hints of memory loss in each other.
As you say, I think the reason why none of this happened is simply because the memory loss is solely set up as a plot point to explain why none of the characters recognized each other despite growing up together. After all of this is cleared up, the plot point of the memory loss didn't have a purpose anymore and the devs probably treated it as a done deal even though storywise it really should have been a serious cause for concern for the characters.

Anonymous Fri Sep 14 12:15:56 2018 No.5043020

>>5042674
Selphie suggested started a diary and Squall acknowledged that GFs gave them the power necessary to fight the sorceress. When the orphanage/GF memory loss scene happened, they were literally a few in game days away from fighting Edea. Do you really expect them to stop at this point? I would think that after they accomplished their ultimate goal (Ultimecia) that they stopped relying on GF, but that is just speculation.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 14 12:47:20 2018 No.5043065 >>5028717 Did you mean to accidentally not put 9 in the picture OP? Are you sure you're not mistaken

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 14 12:53:13 2018 No.5043079 >>5042940 They do that don't they? I remember Zell saying something like he's going to keep using them because he doesn't care if he forgets Seifer making his childhood miserable. But the scene is stupid

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 14 15:29:46 2018 No.5043313 >>5043065 As much as I love 9, Vivi and Eiko can only carry the game so far.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 14 20:33:49 2018 No.5043757 >>5028717 FF8 > FF4/5/6/7/9/10/12

Anonymous Fri Sep 14 23:44:50 2018 No.5044018

>>5042149
You'd think they'd at least try to ask the question of if using the GFs and suffering the consequences is worth it and examine Cid's character and whether or not he's right or wrong but nope. It's such a half-baked plot point. FFVIII is definitely one of the most poignant examples of wasted potential, right down to Ultimecia. It pisses me off desu.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 15 00:49:20 2018 No.5044117 >>5042605 Quistis is far and away the best girl. Selphie is barely passable and Rinoa is terrible. Not a bad party though. Mine was Squall Quistis and Zell.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 15 00:52:03 2018 No.5044123 >>5043313 All of the characters in IX were absolute shit except for Steiner and perhaps Vivi, but I still didn't like Vivi.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 15 01:56:56 2018 No.5044195 >>5030415 Lol this

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 15 02:04:17 2018 No.5044201 >>5031648 The problem is that brainlets ff7 babies think they've to draw 100 of every magic from enemies instead of refining cards and items dropped by monsters. Oh and they also use only GF's in battle lmao.

Anonymous Sat Sep 15 02:07:30 2018 No.5044203 [DELETED]

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>>5044018
i used to love 8 until i came to similar conclusions. alot of things just dont add up at all, even for the japs! ohh nobody remembers we were all orphan kids together... ohh its because we use GFs..... why did nobody tell us that prolonged use of GFs cause mental stability??? no reason, but me irvine am tellin yall we was siblins n shit. ohh yea guess what. TIME TRAVEL BITCHES LOLOLOLOLOLL

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 15 04:19:41 2018 No.5044317 1 and 2 were the best

Anonymous Sat Sep 15 07:51:33 2018 No.5044419

>>5044203
Written like a typical idiot who gets taken in by social pressure. Congratulations, you're minimum common denominator!
Those kids were raised by a witch in a magical world, filled with magical creatures that make you lose memories, that they all use. You're just obsessed with having an autistic explanation of a perfectly clear concept. Perhaps the witch that raised made them forget. Perhaps the fucking time loop that happened while they were there did. In FF8 Lore Guardian Force and the Witch have the same origin.

If you get obsessed and start nitpicking the continuity of any show or game you'll ruin it for yourself and make yourself look like a jackass to others.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 15 08:01:26 2018 No.5044427 >>5044203 Even Shamalayn would be like wtf is this

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 15 10:15:25 2018 No.5044524 >>5044419 strange how this defense is only ever brought up for FF8, I never see detractors of other Final Fantasies being told they're "just overthinking it"

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 15 10:51:28 2018 No.5044551 >>5041294 >implying those are different things

Anonymous Sat Sep 15 11:00:08 2018 No.5044558

Recently finished the game. Actually finished it 20 minutes prior to typing this post. Anyways it's definitely not a bad game, I think it suffers a bit from being in the same generation as VII and IX, which overshadow it a lot. The junction system is certainly interesting, as a whole I'd say it's a negative change but it's not without its good points. It IS however, introduced in the worst way possible, with the existence of GFs. Instead of adapt or die, it's adapt or press the win button to get a summon that does 1000+ damage. I really got deep into junctioning during Disc 3 as haste+GFs can easily carry you past the first 2 discs, and I imagine a lot further. Once you do really get into junctioning though, it's tedious but very rewarding; before long I was hoarding magic from the islands using enc-none and getting ridiculous stats to the point where the game on the last 2 discs became a visual novel aside from the bahamut/ultima weapon fights. The fact that you use magic and it takes away from junctions is very counter-intuitive though, even if you can get more since the junction stats vary based on the number of a spell you have. A much better system would be that junctioned stats stay the same whether you have 1x or 100x Ultima, just that you have it equipped [and stats would otherwise normally scale with level]. And along with this, something like a prestige system where you get more stat points for using a magic X amount of times.

As for the story/characters. The story is decent, it has a few areas of really bad writing such as the orphanage bit, the fact that Edea is actually a good guy being ~controlled by the evil sorceress~ rather than a former acquaintance being conflicted between good and evil [much like Seifer] is lazy writing as well. The characters for the most part are decent aside from Squall being an edgelord, definitely one of the stronger points of the game. The endgame felt a bit short and I'd prefer to explore the future more [1/2]

Anonymous Sat Sep 15 11:00:41 2018 No.5044559

>>5044203
>why did nobody tell us that prolonged use of GFs cause mental stability
Terminals in the classroom explain this but it's ridiculously easy to miss.

It's my headcanon that the reason things seem to happen in a vacuum is because Squall has no memories of the "boring" parts

Anonymous Sat Sep 15 11:05:28 2018 No.5044564
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>>5044558
I also really disliked how there were a lot less towns and cities than VII and IX because the towns and cities that are in the game are extremely memorable and great conceptually. An actual town/city of Trabia would be nice next to Trabia Garden, as Balamb and Galbadia had one. Centra was pretty damn barren too. More party characters wouldn't have been the worst thing in the world either. 6 felt a little too small even though they all had fluid/malleable battle roles because of the junction system. Triple Triad is somewhat fun but honestly I liked Tetra Master better, it just felt more like a traditional card game and was fun to pick up and play. The soundtrack is fantastic and dare I say, the best out of the psx era final fantasy titles. Fisherman's Horizon, The Landing, The Final Battle, Balamb Garden, Timber are all excellent tracks filled with atmosphere. Anyways despite it's faults, shit is a good game, just might not live up to its name of 'Final Fantasy' at least during 5th gen and to be honest, it could probably work as another series entirely if you changed the title, it's that out-there . 8.5/10

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 15 11:07:04 2018 No.5044567 >>5028717 The orchestrated version of the 'prologue' theme during the credits gave me goosebumps. It was the cherry atop an overall comfy experience. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wsVCmHwTpVY

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 15 11:08:06 2018 No.5044571 >>5044564 Shit I forget to mention deling city, absolute tune right there. There's more I'm forgetting I'm sure https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjSjKTaugWk&t=1539s

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 15 11:14:23 2018 No.5044576 >>5042605 Selphie should've been the heroine. Genki girl heroine + grumpy fuck hero is always a funny combination.

Anonymous Sat Sep 15 11:51:36 2018 No.5044610

>>5044203
Na, I'm >>5044018 and I still liked the game and I think I love it sometimes because I don't even talk about my favorite FF this much

The game's theme is fate, and trying to change fate will involve time travel, however cheesy that might be. You can't change fate no matter how hard you try, even Ellone is forced to give up trying to change her past as Ultimecia failed to change her future.

The plot otherwise is really simple and I think it being seen as confusing is just a meme at this point.

All I dislike about FF8 is how unrealized everything is. Ultimecia could have made for a good tragic villain of a witch that decides to don the name Ultimecia out of persecution, but you only gets hints of her backstory. The GF amnesia could have made for some dark as fuck so dark and gritty child solider moments but again, it barely has baring on the story before and even after the reveal. You revisit characters the cast are supposed to know, why not have them forget these characters? Selphie goes on about muh Trabia for what feels like too much of the game but that doesn't make sense given the GF amnesia. That'd have been a great place to hint at the effects, bonus since you learn about the twist at Trabia.

And while I didn't like Type-0, it feels like FF8 if it had went stronger on its "darker" themes.

Anonymous Sat Sep 15 12:02:55 2018 No.5044625

>>5044524
Apparently you’ve never mulled over the insanity of the Weapons from FFVII and Necron appearing out of fucking nowhere in FFIX and going to the goddamn moon in FFIV or Figaro’s castle fucking going underground in the first half hour of the game. Like get the fuck outta here dude.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 15 12:04:25 2018 No.5044628 >>5044558 The fact that you were using GFs as your source of damage let’s me know that you are, in fact a moron.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 15 12:06:13 2018 No.5044632 >>5044625 Or Sin sending fucking Tidus a 1000 years in the future or whatever from Zanarkand and that he dives with Rikku fucking hundreds of feet into the water in the first hour of play.

Anonymous Sat Sep 15 12:11:21 2018 No.5044637

>>5044632
I know you autists don't get it, but FF8 constantly breaks suspension of disbelief by having ridiculous stuff happen in a mundane looking setting.

FFX tells you exactly what sort of setting you are dealing with in the intro cinematic, where everyone is breathing underwater.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 15 12:14:47 2018 No.5044647 >>5044625 >>5044632 but that's my point exactly, it's only FF8 specifically where that argument gets used as a defense when EVERY game in the series has bizarre shit in it

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 15 12:16:22 2018 No.5044653 >>5028717 Rinoa is a boring cunt, one of the worst FF love interests

Anonymous Sat Sep 15 12:18:16 2018 No.5044658

>>5044625
Not him but it being a fantasy setting and having unrealistic events doesn't excuse bad writing or things feeling out of place. The orphanage shit is a lazy attempt at an origin story [even if it's for thematic purposes] and has an even lazier way of introducing it. Fantastic, 'unreal' scenarios don't mean that awkward, hamfisted plotpoints are okay. If it's revealed that Squall was actually Cloud in a dream the entire time, Rinoa leaves on disc 3 to become a basketball player and Ultimecia joins on disc 2, and its revealed that the real villain is the Hamburglar, is that good writing because it's a fantasy game and unrealistic things happen?

Anonymous Sat Sep 15 12:19:43 2018 No.5044660

>>5044637
And how the fuck is 4, 6, 7, and 10 not guilty of the same then? Fucking A resort to ad hominem cause you know it’s the truth that they all crush suspension of belief if you’re actually looking for it. You just parrot what all the talking heads online say and focus on it in FF8 way more and somehow come to this deluded state where FF8 is some egregious offender when they’re all on pretty even field. Fucking A man.

>>5044647
Shit, sorry I got you now.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 15 12:22:01 2018 No.5044663 >>5044628 Hey man, it was working. I don't like to fix things that aren't broken

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 15 12:22:23 2018 No.5044664 >>5044660 I just told you why, I'm not going to repeat myself.

Anonymous Sat Sep 15 12:22:35 2018 No.5044665

>>5044658
What the fuck are you even trying to say?

Just fucking read this if you’re still on the orphanage scene, and quit using hyperbole like you’re twelve years old, christ.
>>5042061
>>5042149
In reference and terms of the fate thematic, FF8 did more in prepping for that than it did than the plot points for shit like >>5044625

Anonymous Sat Sep 15 12:26:12 2018 No.5044675

>>5044664
No you didn’t, you lazily fucking stated an excuse for one while being hypercritical for another. As if teenagers running/fighting in a global militaristic operation more efficient than armies shouldn’t have equally set your mind frame for the game. You pick and choosing motherfucker, you’re the autist here who can’t move their mind over little hills that people online tell you and genuinely let it affect your enjoyment of a game that’s a fucking JRPG from a lineage of games with grandiose events which delivered the “unbelievable event” with more foreshadowing than they give to other events. Fuck right off.

Anonymous Sat Sep 15 12:26:43 2018 No.5044679

>>5044665
If multiple people see it as an issue, clearly something is not right. Bad writing isn't a 'pleb filter' or 2deep4u, or whatever VIIIfags like to deflect with. Memory issues are a huge can of worms and the fact that it conveniently only happens for certain things is lazy writing and comes off as unrealistic even in a fantasy setting. This is a fact regardless of what was supposedly foreshadowed.

Anonymous Sat Sep 15 12:27:46 2018 No.5044680

I wish Adel had been more prominent in the story. Early in the game when you see that TV screen being hijacked with
IAMSTILLUPHERE
IWILLNOTLETYOUFORGETABOUTME
is some creepy shit. And the reason why radio communication is banned is because she can tap into them even though she'd trapped in a space prison, because she's just that powerful. I even like that she looks huge and masculine, gives me the impression she doesn't care about beauty one bit, only power, even if it ends up making her look monstrous in the process

The flashback where Laguna tricks her into being trapped is really lame though, just a lil push and that's it

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 15 12:28:43 2018 No.5044681 >>5044680 I agree, Adel had the potential to be a really interesting character.

Anonymous Sat Sep 15 12:32:02 2018 No.5044685

>>5044679
It doesn’t happen for certain things, they show him forgetting shit through the game and other characters remarking upon it. Do you want it to be Alzheimer’s with everything being re-explained every other scene? I just don’t get y’all.

If you wanna bitch about something, bitch about the space scene.

Anonymous Sat Sep 15 12:35:46 2018 No.5044693

>>5044685
>If you wanna bitch about something, bitch about the space scene.
Seconded, it's one thing to claim the memory loss was out of nowhere, but Squall and Rinoa drifting through space and happening to stumble across a defunct (but working order) spaceship? Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't remember the slightest bit of foreshadowing that one of Esthar's ships had been lost in space

Anonymous Sat Sep 15 12:38:10 2018 No.5044697

>>5044685
It does happen for certain things. There are a lot of other things he could forget but he conveniently doesn't. I don't want it to be Alzheimer's and I'm pretty sure you know what I want it to be, not blatantly scripted to the extent that it looks like a shitty plot device.

Anonymous Sat Sep 15 12:51:36 2018 No.5044716

>>5044693
Yeah, that whole bit is just out of pocket. And that’s as someone who really likes the game. I should play through it again and try to hard to catch any allusions to any of it, or if it is as pants on head as I recall it. I don’t remember anything alluding to an abandoned Esthar ship existing up there.
>>5044697
But then the focus of the game is shifted from Fate to young man can’t remember last Tuesday. It’s there, it makes itself known that it’s a problem Squall and others face, and supports the main theme of Fate. The game isn’t about the loss of memories or the damn orphanage, it’s about how all of the events were destined by the will of the characters/people involved and Ultemecia’s push against that.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 15 12:52:10 2018 No.5044717 All that focus on trains, even so far as putting them on the world map, and not a SINGLE train bossfight in the vein of Phantom Train, what were they thinking?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 15 12:54:45 2018 No.5044719 >>5044717 Doomtrain son

Anonymous Sat Sep 15 12:56:39 2018 No.5044723

>>5044693
>>5044716
Even if we pretend for a second that there was foreshadowing about the existence of the spaceship, the odds of stumbling upon it by pure chance as you're floating through space are astronomically small. If there's anything in that game that is genuinely stupid then it's that scene.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 15 13:00:10 2018 No.5044728 >>5044723 Yeah, agreed. It’s just wacky. They all got scenes like that through Final Fantasy games, but that ones pretty bad. Otherwise, I don’t have a problem with the game and enjoy it. Just kind of have to turn my brain off there.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 15 13:02:07 2018 No.5044730 >>5044719 yeah but you should fight it to recruit it, like some of the other GFs.

Anonymous Sat Sep 15 13:02:40 2018 No.5044731

>>5044680
>I wish Adel had been more prominent in the story.
That's my biggest problem with VIII. Reading all the lore about VIII's history with the sorceress war and all that makes the actual game seem really bland. It all takes place after everything exciting and interesting already happened.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 15 13:03:15 2018 No.5044732 >>5044723 >>5044728 for me it's on the level of the spaceship scene in Life of Brian, equally unlikely yet one is played for laughs, the other intended to be a dramatic and serious escape from danger

Anonymous Sat Sep 15 13:09:09 2018 No.5044737

>>5028717
Literally the worst game in the entire series that only ACTUAL faggots and losers enjoys, no matter what you say you can't prove my wrong because my opinion is actually correct and yours is 100% gutter trash false. Enjoyers of ff8 are also enjoyers of fat nigger dicks in their ass.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 15 13:12:34 2018 No.5044742 >>5044737 When you say fat nigger dicks, are they dicks belonging to fat niggers, or are they fat dicks belonging to niggers? The distinction is important

Anonymous Sat Sep 15 13:34:45 2018 No.5044778

>>5044625
A fantasy game having bizarre shit in it is okay and expected, but only if you introduce the bizarre elements in a way to not totally ruin your audience's suspension of belief. FFVII's Weapons are the planet's response to threats and you already know that the planet has something of a consciousness before that point. That's entirely different from the nonchalant way FF8 drops its orphanage and basically everything concerning the moon and Lunar Cry plot on you.

Necron is a thematic boss battle and I don't know why they didn't go with the original Hades design, but maybe that was considered too heavy-handed.

Figaro Castle I always look at as a way to introduce the type of technology in use in FFVI's world and also Mode 7. Remember that FF didn't have a setting like that before.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 15 14:47:24 2018 No.5044875 >>5044625 Cloud was living Zack's life lmao.

Anonymous Sat Sep 15 15:18:15 2018 No.5044930

>>5044693
>>5044723

It's on the level of "Oh nooo! Reactor 5 exploded and Cloud fell several hundred feet but don't worry a bed of flowers saved his life"

I don't remember any foreshadowing about bed flowers and the odds of falling into one are non existent.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 15 15:22:03 2018 No.5044935 >>5044930 cloud falling on the flowerbed is top 5 ff7 moments

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 15 15:34:16 2018 No.5044947 >>5044930 I'm pretty sure someone tells you not to step on the flowers so yeah it does get foreshadowed

Anonymous Sat Sep 15 15:38:00 2018 No.5044953

>>5044935
>cloud falling on the flowerbed is top 5 ff7 moments

yeah top 5 suspension of disbelief moments

FF8 worst sin is not being FF7-2 that's why people shit on it, I understand that 7 was for a lot of people babies first ''RPG'' and expected 8 to continue ''the adventures of Cloud and his friends'', but longtime FF fans knew that every game was at that point a separate installment until X-2.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 15 15:40:11 2018 No.5044956 >>5044947 I hope you're joking but if not then by that standard the amnesia and orphanage scene are also foreshadowed.

Anonymous Sat Sep 15 22:31:56 2018 No.5045705

>>5044663
Using GFs in your first playthrough is fine. I say this as the ff8 turbo autist who has finished the game approximately 30 times. Eventually it gets to a point where you realize that ff8 has the best magic in the series and the only summon that you use is Cerberes for double and triple on your entire party and then you weave spells like a god. Fuck I love ff8 magic.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 16 05:21:55 2018 No.5046228 >>5044930 I wouldn't even mind that if the drop wasn't so fucking far.

Anonymous Sun Sep 16 09:27:14 2018 No.5046458

>>5044956
>>5044930
>"Oh nooo! Reactor 5 exploded and Cloud fell several hundred feet but don't worry a bed of flowers saved his life"
Occasional minor coincidences are completely fine in a story like this. Jesus Christ what autism. As a writer, your options are:

1. Waste screen time pointlessly foreshadowing the flowers to placate wannabe lit critics.
2. Rewrite the scene using a less humorous and aesthetic way for Cloud to survive the fall.

Neither of those things would actually improve the story and you dumb fucks would just find some other nitpick to complain about.

Anonymous Sun Sep 16 11:54:58 2018 No.5046613

>>5046458
The problem is that there is retarded stuff in every FF game, but people only criticize 8 for its retarded stuff while completely ignoring retarded stuff in other games, like 7, and Cloud falling hundreds of feet to the ground and being saved by a bed of flowers.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 16 12:04:23 2018 No.5046621 >>5046613 I hope the bed of flowers meme catches on, someone might even make a youtube video with a million views on it.

Anonymous Sun Sep 16 14:42:05 2018 No.5046967

>>5046621
I agree. Cloud falling hundreds of feet only to be "saved" by a bed of flowers is silly. In reality, he died in that church and was buried there and the rest of the game is a dream of what could have been. This makes a lot of sense considering that Cloud was already pretending to be Zack.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 16 15:48:45 2018 No.5047172 >>5028717 Well, they announced that the Switch is getting 7, 9, X and X-2, but not 8. So.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 16 15:50:34 2018 No.5047181 >>5047172 9 got a mobile release, which they'll bring over, and 7 got a PS4 re-release, whereas 8 on Steam is literally just the 2000 PC port. They probably don't have a version of 8 they can quickly push out.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 16 15:50:49 2018 No.5047182 File: 16 KB, 346x305, 08.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5046967 >Don't hate. It's just a theory!

>>	Bluushift Sun Sep 16 15:52:19 2018 No.5047186 >implying half life blue shift isn't the best game of all time

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 16 15:54:18 2018 No.5047193 >>5047172 Switch is the numale handheld right? Not surprising that 8 isn't on there, since soys can't handle it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 16 16:06:57 2018 No.5047230 >>5028717 It has Laguna wich makes it the best post 7 FF

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 16 16:35:34 2018 No.5047295 >>5046967 You just ruined ff7 for me

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 16 20:20:50 2018 No.5047686 >>5047193 Yep

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 16 21:31:46 2018 No.5047783 >>5031659 Squall is a beta-cuck pussy.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 17 07:28:35 2018 No.5048332 >>5047181 >whereas 8 on Steam is literally just the 2000 PC port. They probably don't have a version of 8 they can quickly push out. >waste million on The Shit Within >spend not a single dime on archiving the assets of ff7+8 MOTHERFUCKERS

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 17 07:31:01 2018 No.5048335 >>5047783 He's a cool twink and he makes all the girls wet.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 17 09:34:24 2018 No.5048443 >>5047783 Stop projecting

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 17 09:39:19 2018 No.5048453 >>5048335 gacktposter, is that you?

Anonymous Mon Sep 17 16:31:01 2018 No.5049056

>>5046613
>people only criticize 8 for its retarded stuff while completely ignoring retarded stuff in other game
I don't criticize FF8 because I haven't played it. But generally speaking, when I see what appears to be unfair nitpicking of one game or story vs. another, it's usually because there's some bigger problem that is harder to notice or fully articulate.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 17 16:56:14 2018 No.5049102 >>5049056 The "problem" that you're speaking of is the junction system, and retarda who think that you actually draw magic. People cry because ff8 isnt ff7-2.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 17 19:53:12 2018 No.5049464 >>5031576 >tfw ascended brain tier Fuck why was Triple Triad so damn fun? I legit wished they had made a standalone game of that damn game for the 3DS/PSP or something.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 17 20:06:49 2018 No.5049480 I just started playing through the series in order earlier this year. Never played any FF before. I'm up to VI but so far II was my favorite. Punishingly difficult with amazing writing- the two best features of retro games that have since been lost.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 18 00:47:17 2018 No.5049949 >>5046458 see? FF7 babies and FF8 babies are all the same.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 18 01:08:16 2018 No.5049968 >>5048332 Thanks a lot Sakaguchi!

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 18 01:09:33 2018 No.5049969 >>5049102 There are people who play FF8 and draw 100 of every magic from every enemy they fight, can you believe it?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 18 01:13:06 2018 No.5049973 >>5049969 I can because the in-game tutorial tells you to do precisely that.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 18 01:54:24 2018 No.5050018 Can we stop arguing and admit this is a great moment?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 18 01:57:47 2018 No.5050021 Everyone stop arguing and enjoy this- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlfH3r780So

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 18 02:28:03 2018 No.5050065 >>5050021 What's with Final Fantasy obsession over waltzes? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9k1Uxt55S9M

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 18 02:29:56 2018 No.5050069 >>5050065 I'm sure someone will accuse it of plagiarizing some american movie.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 18 07:42:52 2018 No.5050297 >>5045705 Yeah I realized that when I finally started junctioning on disc 3, everything left was light work after that

Anonymous Tue Sep 18 09:29:20 2018 No.5050402

>>5049949
I don't really understand the complaint about FF8 as I haven't played it, so I can't evaluate whether or not you are completely full of shit. From what little I've seen of the discussion, my sense is that the scenes are not comparable which suggests a bit of desperation and pleading on the part of FF8 fans.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 18 09:30:38 2018 No.5050405 >>5050065 Uematsu uses a whole range of classical styles in his soundtracks.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 18 09:47:43 2018 No.5050419 >>5028717 Best Final Fantasy; hours of Triple Triad

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 18 11:31:41 2018 No.5050587 >>5050419 >hours Fucking casuals....

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 18 19:28:55 2018 No.5051583 >>5044558 IX is a step down from VII and VIII in every way.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 18 20:38:04 2018 No.5051705 >>5051583 Except for Vivi. Vivi is maybe the best character in the series :)

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 18 21:39:32 2018 No.5051785 >>5051705 >muh mortality and am I really an individual? Wow so deep.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 18 22:19:30 2018 No.5051843 >>5051583 IX is the best ff of all time. The immersion is unmatchable.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 19 06:56:08 2018 No.5052446 >>5051785 How do you define good character then? Edgy and deep Auron?

Anonymous Wed Sep 19 07:11:00 2018 No.5052464

>>5052446
How the fuck is Auron "edgy"? He's damn chill for someone who lost two friends and his life to Yevon's bullshit, plus Kinoc, is doing the guardian deal again knowing damn well how it ends, and seeing the belief he was raised on be rotten to the core.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 19 09:15:13 2018 No.5052585 >>5052464 >Responding to his hyperbole by unironically agreeing Auron isn't a good character, he's stoic and boring and receives very little growth throughout the game. X doesn't really have any great characters as a whole though.

Anonymous Wed Sep 19 15:53:06 2018 No.5053329

>>5052446
I just think with the way they dealt with the characters in IX, their themes were really on the nose. Some characters like Quina and Amarant basically weren't even characters at all, they were just there. I still don't understand what the point of Amarant even being in the game was, anyone can feel free to enlighten me on that.
There's more nuance to the characterization in VII and VIII if you ask me.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 19 21:35:03 2018 No.5054024 >>5049973 No it doesn't.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 20 06:31:25 2018 No.5054623 >>5028717 Patrician.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 20 11:35:56 2018 No.5054947 >>5052585 I don't think Auron's job as a character is to grow, it's to encourage Tidus to grow.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 20 11:40:15 2018 No.5054954 I loved 7, 10 and am playing 9. Sell me on 6. Why should I play it?

Anonymous Thu Sep 20 15:26:33 2018 No.5055303

I ended up playing final fantasy 8 at at a point when I loved rpgs but was tired of the medieval fantasy setting, so FF8 sung to me in ways I needed. (if I had known about earthbound back then or had FF7, i'm sure I would have loved those) The modern-to-futuristic but magical setting was something I really loved, regardless of the story going on, I really loved the world, and the music helped sell it.

I hear FF9 is really great, but I could never get into it due to the setting reverting back to medieval shit.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 20 18:19:08 2018 No.5055689 >>5054954 Extremely mature war drama (no onemoo kiddie bullshit). The setting is a techno-magical world with a big sliver of steampunk on top, also.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 20 18:26:52 2018 No.5055706 >>5055303 >due to the setting reverting back to medieval shit Believe me, it's garbage shit for a lot of quite other reasons.

Anonymous Thu Sep 20 18:47:39 2018 No.5055745

>>5028717
>>>5028734 >>5028771 >>5028846 >>5028848 >>5029223 >>5030375 >>5031492 >>5031516 >>5031572 >>5031996 >>5032983 >>5034380 >>5034715 >>5035659 >>5036645 >>5037053 >>5039974 >>5040504 >>5041871 >>5042005 >>5042225 >>5042313 >>5043065 >>5043757 >>5044567 >>5044653 >>5044737 >>5047172 >>5047230 >>5050419 >>5054623

BAIT TOOK

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 20 19:53:06 2018 No.5055860 I like IX a lot.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 20 21:43:24 2018 No.5055994 This seems like a good thread to piggyback with a question that doesn't deserve its own thread. I'm about to start VII for the first time, should I play the original PS1 English translation, or a version using the PC translation?

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 20 23:43:29 2018 No.5056150 >>5051843 and the battle system is disgusting

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 20 23:52:17 2018 No.5056163 >>5055994 Japanese script is the superior one.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 21 01:09:42 2018 No.5056262 >>5055994 There's really no need to worry about the translation, it's pretty clean compared to VII.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 21 07:16:33 2018 No.5056541 >>5055745 It's not b8, it's the honest to goodness truth....FF8 is the best video game ever made, and my personal favorite. I'm going to get a Griever tattoo one day :)

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 21 10:59:21 2018 No.5056784 >>5054947 This seems correct

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 21 11:20:14 2018 No.5056805 >>5049464 You can play it here: http://itdelatrisu.github.io/triple-triad-html5/ It's not quite the same since you're not using your own cards but it's a good distraction.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 21 16:50:13 2018 No.5057294 >>5055745 Fuck off

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 21 22:16:15 2018 No.5057849 >>5050065 Waltz are generally pretty patrician, so you do the math

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 22 13:32:32 2018 No.5058991 >>5028717 It was pretty good.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 22 13:51:04 2018 No.5059015 >>5057294 Don't be that way baby, your lips are so much cuter sucking my dick.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 22 17:32:07 2018 No.5059343 >>5056541 anon...i

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 22 23:37:25 2018 No.5060024 >>5051705 Agreed

Anonymous Sun Sep 23 05:05:08 2018 No.5060439
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>>5028717
Look man I really love FF8 but calling it "the best FF ever" is just asking for it to get shat upon. We really don't need that right now, so please stop it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 23 05:25:11 2018 No.5060450 >>5060439 it really is the best one there's no comparison. its up there with 7 goddamn both of those games are so good. the only 2 final fantasies i ever found interesting enough to make it to the end credits in

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 23 05:26:15 2018 No.5060451 >>5028734 tactics has those baby ass snes graphics though and battles take forever >>5028846 >punchout nigga what?

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 23 05:27:25 2018 No.5060453 >>5028891 you found that out on your own or someone spoiled you? >>5028992 that comes with the territory of being a final fantasy fan

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 23 06:21:50 2018 No.5060513 >>5060450 >it's up there with VII It's actually better than VII, but shhh.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 23 06:34:53 2018 No.5060530 >>5060513 Only in graphics. Everything else was a step backwards.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 23 06:59:35 2018 No.5060545 >>5060530 There's more freedom and customization

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 23 10:44:30 2018 No.5060814 >>5060545 VIII also has the best magic casting in jrpgs. Playing with Squall + two casters and casting Cerberus for double/triple on everyone and weaving spells is truly the high point of jrpg magic.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 23 10:53:23 2018 No.5060830 >>5060530 You are a retard who never played the game. >>5060545 That's just a drop in the ocean. There are much more reasons. >>5060814 If you're using up magic in actual battle, instead of just Junctioning it - you're playing wrong.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 23 11:12:03 2018 No.5060874 >>5060830 Nah bro, you can easily just refine more and the majority of the magic that you actually do use isn't junctioned to any stats. I'm far better than you at ff8, I know exactly what I'm doing.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 23 11:26:40 2018 No.5060905 >>5060874 I'd also like to add that using Squall, Zell and Irvine is a lot of fun, and I used them for a long time, but it got pretty boring. FF8 magic is the best in both the series and the genre :)

Anonymous Sun Sep 23 11:37:31 2018 No.5060923

>>5060814
The real problem with FFVIII is that, although it allows for all sorts of fun mechanical trickery, none of it is necessary or at all useful, because the game is so insultingly easy. Instead of feeling clever about making some cool combination you feel like besting a cripple.
(I'm not any of the people you're talking to and haven't participated in the thread or read it.)

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 23 11:43:36 2018 No.5060934 >>5060923 How can you say that ff8 is insultingly easy when if you play any other game properly you literally steam roll everything??

Anonymous Sun Sep 23 11:45:59 2018 No.5060937

>>5060934
The difference is that you steamroll everything in FFVIII regardless of whether you're doing anything clever or not. The game makes absolutely sure that you always win dramatically. Because of this trying to be good at it feels stupid rather than rewarding.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 23 11:59:26 2018 No.5060958 First of all, FFVI and the FF Tactics series are the best FF games, not FFVIII, Super Mario World is the best game of all time.

Anonymous Sun Sep 23 12:01:59 2018 No.5060965

>>5060958
V is better than VI in every conceivable way, while FFT is not a main series game and, if you know anything about anything at all, is more closely related to Ogre Battle and other Matsuno games than the FF series and only carries the brand for marketing purposes.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 23 12:40:11 2018 No.5061036 >>5060937 Are you going to make blanket statements or provide any examples of this?

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 23 19:37:36 2018 No.5061852 >>5061036 Guess not

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 23 19:46:06 2018 No.5061865 >>5061036 >>5061852 What examples? The game as a whole is one of the easiest jrpgs in existence. What fucking examples? The first disk is a good example? The boss battles and random encounters on it?

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 23 19:54:09 2018 No.5061879 >>5060965 >V is better than VI in every conceivable way Graphics?

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 23 20:22:46 2018 No.5061938 >>5061865 If you think what you're doing is arguing then you're laughable. I'll do it too. >wow lmao ff1/2/3/4/5/6/7/9/10 are so easy lmao fucking easy yeah just level and 3-4 shot every boss rofl fucking easy Are you even old enough to post here?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 24 05:33:01 2018 No.5062629 >>5061938 You want me to somehow prove that it's easy? How do you expect me to do that and, most importantly, why would I bother?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 24 06:21:07 2018 No.5062652 >>5062629 So you're ful of shit then, nice.

Anonymous Mon Sep 24 07:47:41 2018 No.5062731

>>5060830
>You are a retard who never played the game.

The truth hurts, doesn't it?

>That's just a drop in the ocean. There are much more reasons.

And of course you can't list any.

>If you're using up magic in actual battle, instead of just Junctioning it - you're playing wrong.

When completely breaking the game is the only way to play it right, that's not a good system.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 24 07:49:15 2018 No.5062736 >>5060545 Well at least we can agree that FF 7 and 8 are better than every other FF due to freedom and customization.

Anonymous Mon Sep 24 08:17:19 2018 No.5062772

>>5062731
Not that anon, but "completely breaking the game" is using Squall, Zell and Irvine and casting Meltdown on your target and Aura on everyone in the party and then abusing limit breaks with 255 strength. I used to do this when I was younger but it got boring. Now I'm all about Squall, Rinoa and either Selphie or Quistis (depending on whose limit break I want to use) and weaving double/triple spells with Cerberus. It truly is the patrician way to play.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 24 08:21:30 2018 No.5062776 >>5062772 >Wasting turns on Double/Triple >Patrician Neck yourself, scrub.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 24 08:22:05 2018 No.5062779 >>5062776 Edgy kid

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 24 08:24:26 2018 No.5062782 >>5062779 I was one-shotting T-Rexaurs with 100 Death/Break en masse even before going to Fire Cave for the first time ever before you've even been born, you fucking piece of toddler scrubshit. You don't know jack shit about this game.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 24 08:43:20 2018 No.5062798 >>5062782 Dude I had already beaten Ultimecia before the opening FMV finished, you're the one who doesn't know shit about the game you cancerous underage /v/edditor scum

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 24 08:49:12 2018 No.5062813 >>5062798 0/10, retard. You have to try way harder than just that.

Anonymous Mon Sep 24 09:23:21 2018 No.5062857
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I love this game, its probably the best final fantasy for the first 2 discs when it has perfect pacing, it gets a bit wonky after that, though. The sheer replayability of the game makes it my favorite and most played FF game. Like many people I had a poor first impression of it by drawing magic instead of using card refine and overlevelling, but once you get wise to its gimmick it becomes amazing.

I personally love that its so polarizing though, it makes the discussions about the game one way or another always interesting to read, even on shithole boards like /v/ you can see a thread about it reach bump limit because it provokes so much discussion.

Anonymous Mon Sep 24 09:25:34 2018 No.5062861

>>5062782
This is satire right? Grats on grinding all those death spells before the fire cavern. If I wanted to hold down attack the entire time I can, but spell weaving is elegant and fun :) I don't miss aura meltdown limit breaking with the three melee characters.

I've finished the game at least 30 times since 1999 and can run circles around you in it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 24 09:34:56 2018 No.5062871 >>5062782 Lol, like that's cool man, but despite finishing the game 30+ times, I dont want to play the game that way anymore. I find magic casting, even if it isn't as "efficient" as holding down attack the entire game, q lot of fun.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 24 09:49:13 2018 No.5062887 >>5062782 My god you're confrontational and edgy.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 24 09:54:08 2018 No.5062896 >>5062782 >taking this kind of pride in decimating an easy as shit single player RPG I have news for you, literally anyone that gave FF8 more than a single playthrough has done shit like this because of how exceptionally easy it is to break

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 24 10:05:27 2018 No.5062908 >>5062782 Talk to me when you do a magic junction run with squall and two casters :)

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 24 10:20:08 2018 No.5062927 >>5062908 ****no magic junction run :)

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 24 10:40:21 2018 No.5062963 >>5062652 My argument is that the game is too easy to bother with its systems. What's you YOUR argument? That it isn't easy? Or what? What are you even claiming? Seriosuly, are you okay, man?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 24 10:46:39 2018 No.5062982 >>5062861 >grinding all those death spells You are a fucking noob if you sincerely think I've "grinded" any.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 24 10:47:41 2018 No.5062985 >>5062861 >>5062871 >>5062887 >>5062896 >>5062908 >>5062927 Onions spotted.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 24 10:56:09 2018 No.5063000 >>5062985 What?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 24 10:58:44 2018 No.5063003 >>5062982 You obviously farmed cards and refined them. What card was it? 1 something = 30 death, right?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 24 11:01:10 2018 No.5063008 >>5062963 Okay, so are FF5, 6, 7 and 9.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 24 11:02:24 2018 No.5063013 >>5062982 You farmed/grinded for all your deaths and breaks and were "1 shotting" Trexuars before the fire cavern. Good job!

Anonymous Mon Sep 24 11:07:34 2018 No.5063029

>>5063003
1 Saw Blade (Belhelmel) = 20 Deaths.
Belhelmel cards are very low level and thus very easy to get immediately upon staring.
It's actually much better than wasting Tonberry (Chief's Knife = 30 Deaths per card) later on, since Tonberries much higher and thus rarer/harder to get (especially early on). You can literally get 5+ Belhelmels in ~30 minutes without leaving BG right at the very start, by playing right people.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 24 11:08:36 2018 No.5063034 >>5063013 >farmed/grinded You were just confirmed for being utter fucking autist, considering you think these are same things.

Anonymous Mon Sep 24 11:10:23 2018 No.5063036

>>5063008
Challenge is relative. But relative to every FF other than 7, 8 is painfully easy. Even 13 has somewhat more challenge and forses the player to actually use its mechanics to win. The only other mainline FF that is truly as mind-numbing as 8 is 7 (not counting the mmos).

You may claim that you were challenged by 8, absolutely. (Similarly, I simply wasn't, period.) But saying that FF8 is on par with FF6 in terms of challenge is objectively wrong.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 24 11:12:06 2018 No.5063039 >>5063034 Grinding is repeating the same sequence over and over again. It is an integral part of farming. What are you implying, you fucking imbecile? Honestly, this thread is full of fucking weirdos. Holy shit.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 24 11:19:38 2018 No.5063052 >>5063039 >Grinding is repeating the same sequence over and over again. It is an integral part of farming. Holy shit you're retarded. You absolutely don't know difference between grinding and farming, LMAO.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 24 11:24:49 2018 No.5063058 >>5063052 You seriously have a real mental illness, don't you? "Lmao".

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 24 11:31:11 2018 No.5063065 >>5063029 Lol I mean yeah, if i want to put all that effort into breaking the game that early.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 24 11:47:16 2018 No.5063092 >>5063058 Kys. >>5063065 >playing game normally for 30 minutes >effort You too should kys, basedshit.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 24 12:12:03 2018 No.5063127 >>5063092 Edgy

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 24 12:38:51 2018 No.5063171 >>5063092 You are actually on the autism spectrum. Good lord.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 24 12:39:48 2018 No.5063172 >>5063092 i'm not sure about your male kysses but I sure as fuck am based ;)

Anonymous Mon Sep 24 16:31:59 2018 No.5063557

>>5063036
I thought that 8 was hard the first time I played it in 1999, but as an adult I don't think that FF games are challenging at all. What makes 8 easier than any of the others? Yes, you can abuse the junction system, but there are exploits in every FF game that I have played and none of them are challenging lol.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 02:26:07 2018 No.5064687 >>5044737 If you want to bring niggers into the game FFVIII is really like the most nigger free anti nigger FF so you just got yourself fucked.

Anonymous Tue Sep 25 02:45:22 2018 No.5064713

>>5047783
Couldn't be possibly more incorrect.
>>5049102
>junction complaint #95603294875
>>5056784
It is because he was far past the point of growing. Helping Tidus to grow is spot on. It's all there was left to do given the circumstance.
>>5060450
7, 8, and 10 are the holy trinity, best it's ever going to get for FF.
>>5060513
>>5060530
It is better than 7.
>>5060905
FF8 magic is truly the best.
>>5062731
>breaking the game is the way to play it right
>making it the easiest is the absolute right way
You're a total brainlet scrub. There is no right way to play FF8, it gives you more options of how to play it than most FFs
>>5062857
Yeah, replayability is one of the highest. It's incredibly replayable.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 03:07:57 2018 No.5064735 >>5064713 Liking FFVIII for its music and visuals is one thing, but actually praising its al-around failure of a gameplay is a special breed of stupidity.

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>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 04:11:46 2018 No.5064797 So os Ultimecia Rinoa from the future? I've read conflicting analysis from people serious on the games lore

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 07:02:35 2018 No.5064923 >>5064735 Its game play is best in the series though

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 07:40:24 2018 No.5064957 >>5063127 >>5063171 >>5063172 Off yourself, lame cuckold.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 07:41:57 2018 No.5064958 >>5064713 >7, 8, and 10 are the holy trinity You've 'dun goofed. The OFFICIAL, globally recognized and confirmed Holy Trinity, is VI-VII-VIII.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 07:44:11 2018 No.5064962 >>5064797 Artemisia (stop with this retarded "Ultimecia" shit already) is it's own being, stop listening to fanfics.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 08:13:43 2018 No.5065015 >>5031576 Uhh, truth to be told i didn't finish the game. I always lied i finished FF8 infront of my friends but in fact i spend most of my time walking around enjoying the scene and playing triple triad. I guess the Selphie suicide meme is real.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 08:26:35 2018 No.5065048 >>5064794 Yeah this guy is pretty cringe.

Anonymous Tue Sep 25 09:03:33 2018 No.5065080

>>5064923
Difficulty curve, which is the centerpiece element of game design, is nonexistent, taking everything down with it. The systems are actually quite silly and easily broken in all sorts of ways, but that's unimportant, because you enver have to bother breaking anything in the first place: the game just let's you win regardless of what you do.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 09:04:53 2018 No.5065083 From what I’ve seen, and I haven’t even played it yet, I think you’re right.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 09:24:59 2018 No.5065106 >>5065080 You say this, but are you going to back it up? Yes, the junction system is broken, but you're not going to finish the game without junctioning magic unless you have a solid knowledge of the game.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 09:26:19 2018 No.5065108 >>5028717 True and based

Anonymous Tue Sep 25 09:59:28 2018 No.5065154

>>5065080
>[BUZZWORDS]: the game just let's you win regardless of what you do
hahahahaha

Try playing the game without junctioning magic ever, or junctioning magic like a retard and leveling like normal and the level scaling starts working against you because it doesn't care about your stats, only your level number

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 10:00:30 2018 No.5065157 >>5049464 ...you DO know they've actually OFFICIALLY released TT on PC?

Anonymous Tue Sep 25 10:09:19 2018 No.5065167

>>5065154
>leveling like normal and the level scaling starts working against you because it doesn't care about your stats, only your level number
You're a fucking noob sdcrubshit.

1. Leveling does NOT work against you, as higher leveled enemies give rarer items, you can draw better magic faster/earlier from them (sometimes even earlier than getting said magic via refining), AND give more EXP.

2. ONLY random enemies level up, NOT scripted story/event enemies.

3. Random enemies level up ONLY with Squall, NOT entire party (if any). Squall dead/not leveling (if Stone status, for example) = random enemies don't level.

4. Your stats don't affect enemy levels, true, HOWEVER, they affect enemy attacking patterns/behavior (if you have high def, enemies that have Meltdown or similar, tend to use such magic/skills more often on THOSE particular chars with higher def than others. If a char has lower element def than others, enemies WILL abuse the flying fucks out of your char's weakness by attacking with magic your char is weakest of the most. That's why junctioning good magic to Stat-Def and Elem-Def is a MUST, to circumvent enemy trying to abuse your weaknesses).

5. LV UP/DOWN and Devour, you SCRUBSHIT.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 10:12:16 2018 No.5065169 >>5065167 False, bosses level with you and have their own range as well, you fucking scrub.

Anonymous Tue Sep 25 10:15:38 2018 No.5065179

>>5065167
hahaha nigga calm down I love FF8

Drop rates and shit aside, higher leveled enemies are more difficult and that's what we're talking about here.

>ONLY random enemies level up
that's not true nigga hahaha I don't know the game's whole documentation but I know that THE GAME JUST LETS YOU WIN NO MATTER HOW YOU PLAY isn't true like that anon was suggesting

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 10:19:01 2018 No.5065183 >cinematic jarpig garbage >the best of anything millennial detected

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 10:27:05 2018 No.5065196 >>5065183 Yep 30

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 10:40:19 2018 No.5065227 Without proper status defense set up, you can't best ff8 Malboro's.

Anonymous Tue Sep 25 10:47:10 2018 No.5065237

>>5065169
Bosses don't level, imbecile.

>>5065179
>higher leveled enemies are more difficult
T-Rexaur gets one-shot from 100-Death/Break or massively crippled from 100-Blind/Pain regardless if he's LV 1 or LV 100. You clearly don't understand at all how this game ACTUALLY operates.

>that's not true
You are a fucking noob that doesn't know jack shit about FF VIII's intricacies/nuances. Fucking off yourself. One last time, you dumb scrubshits - enemies level only to Squall's level and only random enemies level. Bosses and scripted/story enemies (like in Deep Sea Research Center, for example) don't level up at all, they have very specifically set levels. This is true to ALL bosses and story/scenario enemies.

Anonymous Tue Sep 25 10:53:04 2018 No.5065246

>>5065237
Bosses have level caps, but of course they scale with you.
You fucking troglodyte.
I know what you were thinking too. "Bosses don't give exp". It's hilarious how you have no idea about anything whatever but are still calling him "imbecile" even though he's right while you're not even entirely human by the looks of it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 11:00:52 2018 No.5065259 >>5065237 Trexuar are also vulnerable to a lot of status afflictions, whereas Ruby Dragons, Blue Dragons, Malboro, etc are not. Trexuar are a meme dude, keep trying.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 11:08:43 2018 No.5065275 >>5063029 How did you get L Mag-RF before Fire Cavern without Siren?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 11:14:36 2018 No.5065289 >>5065237 Bosses level, but they have a cap

Anonymous Tue Sep 25 11:21:34 2018 No.5065294

>>5065246
>Bosses have level caps, but of course they scale with you.
They don't scale anywhere. At all. You are a fucking imbecile, holy shit. ALL bosses and scripted scene enemies have hard set values, SINGLE set for EACH. That's why game becomes piss-easy if you're justing going through the story while junctioning powerful magic to stats or/and leveling to the boot. BECAUSE STORY BOSSES/ENEMIES HAVE SET VALUES AIMED AT NOOBS AND SCRUBSHITS SUCH AS YOUR KIND. ANY person who junctions magic to stats, will see IMMEDIATELY that Bosses are fucking chumps, regardless if you're LV 1 or LV 100.

I think what you STUPID DUMB FAGSHITS don't understand here is that you CAN LEVEL THEM MANUALLY through LV DOWN/LV UP, but they will NOT level if you JUST PLAY THROUGH THE STORY WITHOUT DOING ANYTHING.

>>5065259
T-Rexaur is just a prime example, since it's the most powerful random enemy at the very start of the game.

>Ruby Dragons
Can be Stoned and put to Sleep, even at LV 100.

>Blue Dragons
Can be Blinded, Confused, Berserked, and Stoned even at LV 100. And that's not even all.

>Malboro
Ribbon, fucker. Also - it can be Stoned even at LV 100. And don't forget the Meltdown.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 11:26:51 2018 No.5065301 >>5065294 >actually using lvl up and lvl down Hey lmao

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 11:29:06 2018 No.5065304 >>5065246 >>5065294 You're both right. Some bosses have level caps, some are fixed. Early examples are Ifrit who is fixed at lv. 6 and Elvoret who can range from lv. 1 to lv. 11

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 11:30:34 2018 No.5065306 >>5065154 You think difficulty curve is a buzzword? How retarded are you? No wonder you like FFVIII's gameplay of all things, holy shit.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 11:43:14 2018 No.5065316 >>5044201 How do you get the refine ability without grinding for AP?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 13:33:31 2018 No.5065501 >>5065316 Just play the game and prioritize some abilities over others. Card is 40 AP and card mod is 80. That's about 3 bosses if you skip all random encounters.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 13:37:30 2018 No.5065507 >>5065301 If you need rare items later on in the game, like Adamantine and shit, it's essential, since some enemies drop rare shit one when they're either very low or very high.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 16:19:55 2018 No.5065758 >>5065507 Yeah that is true

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 16:38:43 2018 No.5065795 >>5065316 Dude, Card Ability and Card Refine are, like, gotten in MINUTES. Literally just a couple fights with Fistitocalons at the Balamb Beach. Calling that "grinding" would be a downright imbecility.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 20:10:15 2018 No.5066139 >>5064923 >every character is a blank interchangeable slate >best gameplay Yeah nah. V runs laps around both it and the other PS1 games..

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 20:12:56 2018 No.5066143 File: 227 KB, 793x736, 1536886256613.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5028717 >objectively the best video game of all time

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 20:17:19 2018 No.5066150 >>5066139 >characters are gameplay.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 20:18:21 2018 No.5066153 >>5066150 Yes they are, especially in story-heavy RPGs.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 20:18:28 2018 No.5066154 File: 186 KB, 500x376, 1537313277336.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5066143

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 20:19:56 2018 No.5066158 >>5066153 >narratives are games Stop before you hurt yourself

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 20:19:58 2018 No.5066159 >>5066139 They aren't interchangeable though because their limits still work based off of their main stat, with the minor exception of Rinoa's Angelo Cannon scaling with strength for some reason..

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 20:25:11 2018 No.5066168 >>5066158 So far you haven't produced a single argument for how every character having the same abilities barring their limit breaks is a good thing. >>5066159 Same could be said for FF7.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 20:29:21 2018 No.5066176 >>5066168 >Telling me what I meant >Arguing You're an idiot.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 20:33:25 2018 No.5066182 >>5066176 >can't even argue properly You're a retard.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 20:45:16 2018 No.5066203 >>5066182 Argue what? Your point? The one where you think characters are gameplay? The one where you think narratives are games? Do I really need to whip a dictionary out and shove it down your throat to give your shitposts more fiber?

Anonymous Tue Sep 25 21:00:10 2018 No.5066227

>>5066203
>The one where you think characters are gameplay?
So your characters' abilities don't affect gameplay? Thanks for confirming you're retarded and don't know shit about the game you're trying to defend.
>narratives are games
Translation: thinking am hard

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 21:05:12 2018 No.5066232 >>5066227 If doesn't matter what abilities you use. You use abilities. It's the same gameplay. A different animation and damage formula doesn't change that.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 21:07:28 2018 No.5066238 >>5066232 Then all rpgs are the same.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 25 21:08:29 2018 No.5066240 >>5066238 gasp it's almost like it's a genre.

Anonymous Wed Sep 26 00:32:23 2018 No.5066558

>>5066139
FF VIII is LITERAL fucking PERFECTION, because it's LITERALLY D&D, and Final Fantasy's ENTIRE fucking initial concept and premise TO BEGIN WITH was to be a Japanese clone of Ultima, WHICH IS D&D AS FUCK. Final Fantasy = Japanese D&D (aside from SaGa games, which took it to 11). Final Fantasy VIII = perfection of Final Fantasy's entire concept. But fagshit normies such as yourself could never grasp it and thus REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEd hard back in the days and still keep on REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEing at it nowadays. Fucking hilarious. Downright laughable.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 26 05:17:14 2018 No.5066901 >>5066558 Are you actually on the spectrum?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 26 08:18:36 2018 No.5067047 >>5066901 Sure as fuck looks like it

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 26 09:50:39 2018 No.5067132 >>5066901 >>5067047 Slit your wrists, fagshit.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 26 10:27:04 2018 No.5067181 >>5067132 Be careful that you don't slit your own wrists on that edge! Are you posting from your mother's basement or does your mental hospital have a connection?

Anonymous Wed Sep 26 10:39:06 2018 No.5067197

>>5067181
0/10, you have to try way harder than just that, kidshit. I've been buying Costa Del Sol's mansion during very first entrance into it from selling a very fist Mastered ALL materia while also having Yuffie in the party that early on when you haven't even been born yet.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 26 11:10:50 2018 No.5067240 >>5066558 Imagine being so much of a retard that you like a game that's objectively the worst in its console generation because it makes you feel smart despite the mechanics being relatively simple.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 26 11:13:42 2018 No.5067246 >>5067240 Yeah, I seriously can't imagine how you're managing going through life being like that.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 26 11:19:57 2018 No.5067254 >>5067197 I'm 30 and speedrun ff7 with Yuffie and Tifa dropping tons of dps!!!!

Anonymous Wed Sep 26 14:00:02 2018 No.5067465

>>5028717
To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to be able to appreciate FFVIII. The character development and plot are extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of theoretical physics most of the plot will go over a typical gamer's head. There's also Squall's nihilistic outlook, which is deftly woven into his characterisation- his personal philosophy draws heavily from Friedrich Nietzsche's literature, for instance. The fans understand this stuff; they have the intellectual capacity to truly appreciate the depths of FF8's plot points, to realise that they're not just undeveloped or "go nowhere" - they say something deep about FATE. As a consequence people who dislike FF8 truly ARE idiots- of course they wouldn't appreciate the Junction system, or, for instance, the meaning in Squall's catchphrase "Whatever" which itself is in reference to his acceptance that all things are held to fate and cannot be changed. I'm smirking right now just imagining one of those addlepated simpletons scratching their heads in confusion as Kazushige Nojima's genius wit unfolds itself on their television screens. What fools... how I pity them.

And yes, by the way, i DO have a Griever tattoo. And no, you cannot see it. It's for the lady SEEDs' eyes only- and even then they have to demonstrate that they're within 5 IQ points of my own (preferably lower) beforehand. Nothin personnel kid

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 26 14:18:49 2018 No.5067504 >>5067465 Wow you're fucking BUTTMAD out of your goddamn mind that someone actually sincerely loves the ABSOLUTE PERFECTION that is FF VIII. You're fucking laughable.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 26 14:20:36 2018 No.5067509 >>5028717 This is the worst FF game I have played RPG maker games better than FF8

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 26 14:21:18 2018 No.5067513 >>5067509 Go back to kindergartner crawl you've came out from and learn to troll first, kid.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 26 14:23:24 2018 No.5067520 >>5067513 Lol im serious

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 26 14:28:23 2018 No.5067531 >>5067504 Actually, I really like FF8.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 26 17:06:47 2018 No.5067853 >>5067531 Same bro, it is my favorite.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 26 17:08:11 2018 No.5067856 >>5067504 Do you have a formal diagnosis for your condition?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 26 20:47:59 2018 No.5068242 >>5049480 Yeah it is a lost art....definitely a result of vidya going mainstream. Developing for casuals ;_;

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 27 07:09:10 2018 No.5068902 >>5028717 8 is good but 10 is better

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 27 07:59:01 2018 No.5068940 >>5068902 Now THAT is trolling.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 27 08:10:37 2018 No.5068957 >>5049480 >Punishingly difficult with amazing writing And FFVIII is the diametral opposite of that.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 27 09:17:27 2018 No.5069039 >>5068957 Half correct. FF8 has the best story in the series but yeah the game is easy when you know the ins and outs

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 27 11:59:31 2018 No.5069198 I love FF VIII bros

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 27 12:08:51 2018 No.5069210 >>5028717 >This is my favorite game Fixed it for you faggot You have shit taste

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 27 12:20:26 2018 No.5069218 >>5069039 >FF8 has the best story in the series The game is insultingly easy regardless of what you know and how you play. It's the easiest game int he series by a long shot, even easier than VII.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 27 12:23:10 2018 No.5069220 >>5069039 >FF8 has the best story in the series Apparently you haven't played a single other FF or something. Or perhaps you're just stupid as fuck and/or literally gay and jerking it to Squall.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 27 13:36:27 2018 No.5069325 >>5069218 No 9 is the easiest

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 27 13:37:44 2018 No.5069326 >>5069220 False. I've played 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 12, 13, 14 and tactics :) keep trying though, kid

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 27 13:39:59 2018 No.5069331 >>5069210 I have the best taste in everything, keep trying, faggot

Anonymous Thu Sep 27 15:03:40 2018 No.5069462

>>5069218
>The game is easy regardless of what you know
You are a fucking MORON that know NOTHING on this game, holy shit.
The VERY fact that this game was EVER (absolutely undeservedly so, naturally) trashed heavily back in the late 90s and early 2000s by a shitton of scrubshit kiddies such as yourself is BECAUSE game PWNED HARD these said kiddies due to them not wishing to fucking LEARN how to play the game and not listening/reading to the EXTENSIVE in-depth tutorials on ABSOLUTE MAJORITY of the mechanics this game provides, WHICH YOU CAN ACCESS AND REVISE AT ANY-FUCKING-TIME THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRETY OF THE WHOLE GAME. This was DE FACTO the MAIN reason to garner all the "hate" and "dislike" for this PERFECTION of a Final Fantasy title. Scrubshit normie kiddies, the one you represent nowadays, awaited yet another piss-easy FF VII from it, they did NOT read/listen to in-game's Tutorials and sincerely thought they could easily brute force it. Then Diabolos, T-Rexaur, Brothers, Edea, Ruby Dragons, Hexadragons, Norg, Bahamut, and a shitton other things started happening which UTTERLY-FUCKING-DECIMADED these fucking UNEDUCATED INEXPERIENCED IDIOTS. After which, these CRYBABIES immediately flooded forums and gaming communities, trashing the game to no end for the things it NEVER actually deserved any to be trashed for. Thus creating the BS FUD fairy tale of a "legend" that "Final Fantasy VIII is a bad Final Fantasy game", when IN REALITY it was NEVER EVER bad any. THIS is where it ALL began from. The ENTIRE fucking "hate for FF VIII" appeared from LITERALLY scrubshit normie kiddies getting their lame sorry kindergartner toddler asses handed to them by the game's enemies and bosses. THIS WAS THE BEGINNING OF IT ALL! This is THE actual TRUTH of REALITY. This is what ACTUALLY happened back in the days. That's why your AUTISTIC pseudo-"argument" has ABSO-FUCKING-LUTELY no merit or power behind it WHATSO-FUCKING-EVER AT-FUCKING-ALL.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 27 17:26:22 2018 No.5069820 >>5069326 Why the FUCK haven't you played 1, 2, 3, 4 or any of the non-mainline games before? Fucking casual.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 27 17:31:38 2018 No.5069831 >>5028717 Yo a fellow FF8 nigga! FF8 is a plebfilter

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 27 19:04:07 2018 No.5069954 File: 78 KB, 1280x720, neckbeard.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5069831 >tips in your direction

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 27 21:12:30 2018 No.5070152 >>5028757 You have shit taste

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 28 06:54:15 2018 No.5070709 >>5068902 Are you fucking kidding me? At the very least, the optional content in 8 is slightly challenging, but 10 is just a dumpster fire.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 28 07:08:39 2018 No.5070720 >>5069326 So you're just stupid then or what?

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 28 07:23:20 2018 No.5070742 >>5069831 >FF8 is a plebfilter At least at this you're absolutely right. HOWEVER >8 >writes FF and the number together, not separately You are one of them, you fagshit. Remember once and for all from now: FF VIII. Only like this.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 28 09:20:21 2018 No.5070859 >>5070742 >FF VIII Yeah yeah you're right. I actually prefer it that way too I was just lazy.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 28 11:22:52 2018 No.5071031 File: 664 KB, 450x253, giphy.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5070720 If by "stupid" you mean: capable of appreciating things far beyond the comprehension of lesser beings such as yourself then yes.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 28 11:40:24 2018 No.5071056 >>5066558 >>5067132 >>5067197 >>5067504 >>5069326 >>5069331 >>5069462 >>5069820 >>5069831 >>5070742 >>5071031 kys

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 28 11:41:44 2018 No.5071058 >>5070742 Hey, look at this: FF8. Look at it again: FF8. Once more: FF8. Now suck my dick.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 28 11:43:44 2018 No.5071060 >>5071056 Stay mad kid

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 28 12:30:56 2018 No.5071145 >>5071056 >>5071058 Slit your wrists, you autistic normie fagshit.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 28 12:36:33 2018 No.5071156 >>5071145 You can't call someone autistic and normie in the same insult, kid.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 28 12:44:45 2018 No.5071174 >>5071156 We surely can do that to you, since you're clearly the one.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 28 12:50:21 2018 No.5071185 >>5071174 What?

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 28 12:50:28 2018 No.5071186 >>5071145 I'm the guy who told you to suck my dick. As for the other guy you directed your reply to, that's not me. But I'm in a brighter mood now. Sorry about that.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 28 13:11:03 2018 No.5071224 >>5071185 >>5071186 You're both normie fagshit scrubs.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 28 13:26:21 2018 No.5071242 >>5071224 Oh

Anonymous Fri Sep 28 13:32:26 2018 No.5071251
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>>5071224
But I'm the mega ff8 autist who has beaten the game 30+ times since 1999 :)
Also, spell weaving with Cerberus buff is the patrician way to play. I suspect that you're too stupid to understand that :)

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 28 15:09:18 2018 No.5071383 >>5071251 Why would anyone EVER use magic when you can just use Squall Zell and Irvine and dumpster everything?

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 28 15:45:55 2018 No.5071453 >>5071251 >30+ times since 1999 Holy shit you are a fucking noob. AT LEAST 70 since 1999 here, most of which were original Japanese release runs. Get on my fucking level kid.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 28 16:55:36 2018 No.5071538 >>5071453 wow teach me senpai

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 28 17:29:44 2018 No.5071578 >>5071538 Chicken wuss.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 28 17:33:43 2018 No.5071586 Ok /vr/, rank the final fantasy games from I to X.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 28 17:51:46 2018 No.5071625 >>5071586 VII=V>VI>IV(DS)> IX=X >I(PS1)>IV>VIII>III>II>I

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 28 18:12:14 2018 No.5071669 >>5071625 >I(PS1)>IV This was meant to be a equal sign.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 28 19:26:21 2018 No.5071828 >>5071586 8 > all

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 28 20:06:45 2018 No.5071870 >>5071586 7=8>9>10>6>5>trash>all the rest

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 28 20:09:43 2018 No.5071873 >>5071870 Tactics is really good too, but a little over the top with the cringe medieval stuff

Anonymous Fri Sep 28 20:17:03 2018 No.5071885

I unironically like the gameplay the most out of any FF game and I think they severely missed the chance to capitalize on it.

>Fix the card-modding bullshit
>Make a non-orphanage story about the wars
>Endgame story discovering the damage you've wrought by "drawing" out so many of the planet's resources for your junction system

or some shit like that

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 28 20:19:27 2018 No.5071889 >>5071885 >drawing" out so many of the planet's resources for your junction system I feel like this has been done literally no less than 1000 times in fiction. Fucking retard planets and their god damn life essences.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 28 20:28:16 2018 No.5071901 >>5071885 >>Endgame story discovering the damage you've wrought by "drawing" out so many of the planet's resources for your junction system It's literally FF7 plot.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 28 20:53:35 2018 No.5071937 I love FF8 and this thread is beyond epic.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 28 21:27:38 2018 No.5071996 >>5071901 And ff9...possibly ff10 as well

Anonymous Fri Sep 28 22:54:02 2018 No.5072103

>>5071586
FF = 5/10.
FF II = 5/10.
FF III = 4/10
FF IV = 7/10.
FF V = 6/10.
FF VI = 9/10.
FF VII = 8/10.
FF VIII = 10/10.
FF IX = 4/10.
FF X = 4/10.
FF X-2 = 3/10.
FF XI = 7/10.
FF XII = 6/10.
All three of XIII Fecal Fartasses = 2/10.
FF XIV (original) = 3/10.
FF XIV (Realm Reborn) = 6/10.
FF XV (original) = 5/10.
FF XV (super-deformed) = 6/10.
Tactics (original) = 9/10.
Tactics (War of Lions) = 7/10.
Tactics Advance = 6/10.
Tactics A2 = 7/10.
Crystal Chronicles = 6/10.
Chocobo Dungeon = 5/10.
Chocobo Dungeon 2 = 7/10.
Chocobo Racing = 8/10.
Dissidia = 5/10.
Dissidia 012 = 6/10.
Dissidia NT = 4/10.
Type-0 (original) = 5/10.
Type-0 (HD remaster) = 7/10.
World of Final Fantasy = 6/10.
Dirge of Cerberus = 4/10.
Before Crisis = 6/10.
Crisis Core = 6/10.
After Years = 7/10.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 29 09:44:15 2018 No.5072764 >>5072103 Nice

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 29 11:31:14 2018 No.5072869 If it's so great why isn't it coming to switch? Checkmate atheists

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 29 11:47:30 2018 No.5072891 >>5056541 >tattoo what a fucking faggot

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 29 11:47:43 2018 No.5072892 >>5072869 Switch is for onions infused man children, therefore it is not the appropriate platform for ff8

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 29 11:51:58 2018 No.5072897 File: 8 KB, 201x251, 1f66f51ef255c5c606e172ddcf93dc09.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5072891 :)

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 29 11:55:40 2018 No.5072904 >>5071586 VIII > IX >>>> IV = VI = X and the rest

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 29 12:57:12 2018 No.5072992 >>5072869 It's not about Switch, you fucking mong. It's not coming ANYWHERE due to shenanigans with THAT ONE FUCKING SONG.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 29 13:15:31 2018 No.5073016 First play through I treated it like it played similar to the older ones, and I had a hard time until I realized what was going on. My second playthrough was a lot better.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 29 13:49:59 2018 No.5073058 >>5072992 Explain?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 29 14:43:48 2018 No.5073156 File: 772 KB, 1368x72, 57r6u67.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5073058

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 29 14:45:10 2018 No.5073158 >>5073016 Exactly. See >>5069462 for reference.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 29 18:07:15 2018 No.5073538 >>5073156 Oh wow

Anonymous Sat Sep 29 18:31:31 2018 No.5073584

>>5073538
Music companies in Japan are very, very, VERY bitchy when it comes to their rights. When a company says "We couldn't get the audio rights", they mean it, they're not being lazy, they literally could not get them on the grounds of either "Fuck you" or "One billion yen, faggot".

Still, it would be a trivial matter to just replace the song with something else. Remix Liberi Fatali into something more gentle and use that.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 29 18:42:12 2018 No.5073614 >>5073584 Agh! Intellectual property laws strike again!

Anonymous Sat Sep 29 19:22:47 2018 No.5073685

>>5072103
Typical fake retro player who didn't play the originals seriously and doesn't understand old games enough to compare them fairly. Meme rater.

FF = 7/10
The maps are well-designed, but too large. Solid mechanics. -Buggy. (better on Origins)
FF II = 9/10.
Maps are much better. -Empty rooms vex. One of the best plots. Amazing mechanics. -Memes
FF III = 6/10
Actually fun class mechanics. -Not so solid -Steps back
FF IV = 4/10.
Cool characters. -Many more steps back
FF V = 5/10.
Solid gameplay, (but seen before). -Bad story. -Grind bait
FF VI = 7/10.
Great story. Solid mechanics. -Dungeons haven't caught up to FF2's elegance
FF VII = 7/10.
Ambitious. Graphixxx. Solid everything. -Overrated.
FF VIII = 9/10.
Perfection. -Not really, weak plot
FF IX = 9/10.
Best atmosphere. Solid everything. -Forgets Charas
FF X = 4/10.
-There is a reason the games had no asian overtones
FF X-2 = 2/10.
-There is a reason there were no sequels before
FF XI = can't be rated
Online experience may vary
FF XII = 3/10.
-Ivalice is overrated, but this one was raped in development too

The rest doesn't matter/has different genres.

Anonymous Sat Sep 29 19:31:27 2018 No.5073704

>>5072103
>>5073685
Absolutely terrible.

FFI = 5/10
FFII = 7/10
FFIII = 6/10
FFIV = 6/10
FFV = 8/10
FFVI = 7/10
FFVII = 8/10
FFVIII = 6/10
FFIX = 7/10
FFX = 8/10
FFXII = 6/10
FFXIII = 5/10

Saying any FF is below 5 is just being an overdramatic hipster contrarian.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 29 19:35:22 2018 No.5073712 >>5073704 2/3 of the combat is automated in ff13 and you still gave it a 5/10.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 29 19:37:24 2018 No.5073719 >>5073584 It's not Japan. Faye Wong is a Chinese songstress.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 29 19:38:03 2018 No.5073720 >>5073704 Pre patch XV was definitely below 5/10. but not retro.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 29 19:40:53 2018 No.5073725 >>5073685 >IX >Solid everything And THAT is how we ALL know you're FULL OF SHIT. Fucking neck yourself right fucking now, you stupid dipshit. >>5073704 >Absolutely terrible 'Dem your shit tastes are, indeed.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 29 19:46:50 2018 No.5073739 >>5073712 It didn't bother me that much, honestly. XIII's gameplay was still more satisfying than the titles with weaker gameplay like FFIV and FFVI. I don't really consider gameplay the be all and end all of JRPGs.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 29 19:48:12 2018 No.5073743 >>5073739 Oh wow. I really hope you're trying to trigger people.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 29 19:50:34 2018 No.5073747 >>5044875 Yeah and it's a reveal that actually works unlike the Orphanage. The Irvine part is especially ridiculous "I didn't say anything because you didn't recognize me" yeah well it's been over 10 year you fucking moron

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 29 19:52:22 2018 No.5073749 >>5073719 Even so the song was owned by EMI and fuck knows what happened after its mergers and becoming defunct.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 29 19:54:21 2018 No.5073754 >>5073739 How is a game that plays for you satisfying? Also gameplay isn't only just the combat which 13 does has some neat mechanics but in terms of the world design,dungeon design, and exploration in general it was pretty bad.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 29 19:55:37 2018 No.5073759 >>5073725 To this day I can't understand why FFIX makes people on this board so angry. it's an excellent game

Anonymous Sat Sep 29 20:08:09 2018 No.5073780

>>5073747
The "I didn't say anything" part is due to shitty translation, nothing like this is said in original. Blaming game for being translated badly, is very unprofessional and a total idiocy. Learn the language and play original, or at the very least lurk up translated script on some profile sites. Final Fantasy VIII is one of those cases where translation fucked up very many story-heavy scenes/moments and etc., so bakagaijinner version shouldn't be taken seriously in this regard. It's like with Working Designs' LUNAR fuck-ups.

Anonymous Sat Sep 29 20:16:13 2018 No.5073786

>>5073759
Not in the slightest. It's a massively underwhelming letdown after the ABSOLUTELY PURE PERFECTION that was FF VIII. A failure.
And what pisses a lot of people the most about it, is that it was overadvertised and overhyped as fuck by a shitton of outlets and """reviewers""", creating a fairy tale bubble pocket dimension where "it's one of the greatest mainline FF titles ever made", while IN REALITY it's not even remotely close being one at all. It's a failure, it's bad both as a Final Fantasy entry in particular AND as a video game in general, yet grey normie masses were made to believe "it's good", essentially creating a sect of worshiping brainless sheep who live in denial of truth. Why this happened, where it all originated, I've already explained here - >>5069462. To put it out in simple words: scrubby normie fagshit kiddies got owned by FF VIII so hard and were so butthurt due to this back in the days, that they sought some kind of a "relief" and "sanctuary" in FF IX, creating sects of "hate for FF VIII" and "love for FF IX". The rest is history. This is where we are right now, even nowadays.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 29 20:22:08 2018 No.5073797 >>5073786 Yeah but it's cute.

Anonymous Sat Sep 29 20:25:06 2018 No.5073804

>>5073759
It was a great game but had major design problems. Especially in how it handled the character distribution. It's a textbook example as to why you don't combine selectable party members with AP-based skill systems. Ignore a character for any length of time and you might as well not use them at all.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 29 20:34:02 2018 No.5073823 >>5073804 I think the main problem is that skills weren't like items you can give to anyone like in VII. Everyone had their own separate skills to learn and trying to do so naturally was a pain.IX could have really benefit from X in battle switching.

Anonymous Sat Sep 29 21:49:16 2018 No.5073946

>>5073804
Eh I agree it's a problem but it wasn't a major one for me. I've really enjoyed other rpgs (radiant historia being one) with even worse means of party management. I actually like the defined roles for characters and ap systems but along with instances of splitting up the party I agree it creates some problems.
>>5073786
FFVIII is legitimately one of the easiest games in the series if you learn the junction system. It essentially becomes a VN once you have enough of each spell to max your stats and defend against/use status. It's not a hard game nor a pleb filter

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 29 22:30:56 2018 No.5074010 >>5073797 There are a shitton of much better-looking/cute super-deformed games of that era out there. DewPrism, for one, is a vastly superior game of that visual kind.

Anonymous Sat Sep 29 22:51:09 2018 No.5074028

>>5073946
>FF VIII is legitimately one of the easiest games in the series if you learn the junction system.
Not really. It just gives you VAST FREEDOM of ROLE-PLAYING action. Much more than any other game in the series. I've already pointed out that FF was initially conceived as Ultima clone, which in itself is a D&D-concepted RPG game series. Thus, most mainline FF always were strongly basing themselves off of D&D concepts. And out of them all at that particular point of time, FF VIII was the most D&D it ever got. It's PURE FREEDOM of play-style to the max, unlike VII, VI, and all other older ones before it. It was the LITERAL pinnacle of Final Fantasy's ENTIRE reason for existence, it's very core concept turned to the 11. That's why FF VIII is the best FINAL FANTASY game. It's absolutely unironically FLAWLESS at what other Final Fantasy titles tried to achieve (but failed/were unable to) before it. It's the creamiest of the crops, the very tip of the mount Olympus for mainline FF entries. There are very few FF titles out there which give you such ABSOLUTE FREEDOM at they way how you can play through game, and is FF VIII is DE FACTO best one of them all. It's "easy" only for as long as YOU want it to be easy, for as long as YOU wish to go easy through it. If you want to have it hard, it WILL give you hard time. And it's super-fucking-FUN both ways. ALWAYS.

This is also one of the main reasons why IX was such a grandeur flop of a failure - because instead of REINVENTING ENTIRE FRANCHISES'S CONCEPT EVEN FURTHER and TRYING TO BE EVEN BETTER than VIII, it instead reverted to OLD, UNORIGINAL, STALE SHIT. This was one of the biggest mistakes of Square's at the time. In comparison to what the official Holy Trinity (VI-VII-VIII) did for the entire franchise as a whole at the time, IX was a downright DEGRADATION, DEBILITATION of the franchise's core concept. A disgrace. A disgusting defilement.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 29 23:00:27 2018 No.5074038 >>5073759 FFIX had a better story than even FFVII honestly. The characters weren't as iconic as FFVII's, but they were good. The only thing it loses out on are the game mechanics.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 29 23:13:53 2018 No.5074054 >>5074028 V's job system and II mastery system gives the player more freedom over their party than VIII. >>5074038 >FFIX had a better story than even FFVII Eh the second half on IX really loses itself.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 29 23:14:26 2018 No.5074057 >>5074028 This is incredibly autistic

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 29 23:20:06 2018 No.5074061 >>5074054 Can't say that I've played 2, but 5 is literally jobs with stat progression determines by said jobs. It's a snooze with 0 customization.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 29 23:21:34 2018 No.5074063 >>5074061 Seem like you haven't because that's III you're describing.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 29 23:55:05 2018 No.5074106 >>5069831 >I like this website because I get to say the n word and other buzzwords

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 30 00:03:04 2018 No.5074115 >>5073156 Would it be only that scene / track that is the issue? Eyes On Me melody is used as a leitmotif throughout a lot of the soundtrack iirc

Anonymous Sun Sep 30 00:55:11 2018 No.5074168

>>5074038
>FF IX had a better
It never had anything "better" than any other game in series. It's an absolute-fucking-mediocrity. Stale dullness.

>>5074057
Keep on REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEing after reading the HARSH TRUTH, kiddie fagshit.

>>5074115
It's literally because of sung lyrics. All other music in the game, not counting Liberi Fatali, is purely instrumental. And Square owns Liberi Fatali, so it really is only the "Eyes On Me" which causes massive legal issues.

Anonymous Sun Sep 30 05:02:12 2018 No.5074408
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The sorceresses almost align themselves the the medieval classical view of the planets.

Ultimecia = Saturn
Rinoa = Luna
Adel = Mars
Edea = Jupiter

Which just leaves Sol, Venus, and Mercury
Ellone wasn't strictly a sorceress, but her powers would definitely be associated with Mercury.
However, restricting it to just known sorceresses that just leaves A, B, and C that you fight during Time Compression. And although we don't know their personality, their appearances are appropriate.

Venus = Sorceress A
Sol = Sorceress B
Mercury = Sorceress C

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 30 05:11:03 2018 No.5074413 >>5074061 5 is zero customization? Are you being stupid on purpose or something?

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 30 05:19:10 2018 No.5074423 >>5074408 Adel is Luna, as she LITERALLY controls Lunar Cry.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 30 05:25:50 2018 No.5074429 File: 27 KB, 300x300, 1538299550783.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5028717 >best video game of all time >You can't prove me wrong, no matter how hard you try It's not even the best PS1 JRPG, let alone the best game of all time

Anonymous Sun Sep 30 05:42:24 2018 No.5074441

>>5073759
>>5073786
>>5073804

It's the same reason why people who like 7 hate 8. Stupidity, pure and simple. (Just look at that one sperg.) 7's fans were horrified when 8 had a different tone and mechanics. Likewise fans of 7 and 8 can't tolerate 9's medieval look, superdeformed characters and the change in pace. I was a little upset myself back then, because 9 meant i won't have the cool sci-fi "cyberpunk" from the previous games for years. Now i know how lucky i was to have a good game in the first place, considering what followed.

>>5073823
That's a complaint typical of jRPGs in general. It's the only method of granting replayability to a game that has none. You focus on the party you want. The game already goes out of its way to let you play with all characters extensively before it lets you make you own party. At that point you can grind and skill-up whoever you want if you really want everyone up to par.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 30 05:52:06 2018 No.5074449 File: 652 KB, 1012x707, Sorceresses.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5074408 >>5074423 That's not how the symbolism works. Adel, red hair, warmonger, and the fact that she's the most masculine seems like no small coincidence.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 30 06:08:28 2018 No.5074460 >>5074106 Stop being so offended. I said Nigga not nigger. My nigga is not racist. My nigger is. Learn the difference. I'm a leftist btw

Anonymous Sun Sep 30 06:12:59 2018 No.5074463
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>>5074449
Actually looking at this now, It makes more sense for Rinoa to be Venus. Seeing how she's basically the love interest, obviously, but also gets tied to Adel at one point.

And it makes alchemic sense for Sorceress A and B, to be Sol and Luna, since they kinda fuse together in time compression and become C, Mercury.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 30 06:42:24 2018 No.5074484 >>5028717 the last good final fantasy game was on snes and you're fucking twelve.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 30 06:43:28 2018 No.5074486 >>5074460 What's a leftist?

Anonymous Sun Sep 30 06:57:29 2018 No.5074512

>>5074486
Anti capitalist anti racist and feminist (the real type of feminism not check your privilege bullshit) being a leftist mostly means being a socialist though we have so many women in that movement nowadays that you think gender equality is our biggest question, that's not true though. We are primarily a working class movement.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 30 07:00:06 2018 No.5074514 >>5074512 Being a leftist though doesn't equal being a SJW automatically.

Anonymous Sun Sep 30 07:25:34 2018 No.5074546

>>5074449
I love this kinda of stuff.
I've always felt that there was an unfinished plot line involving NORG and the fact that we don't know anything about the other sorceress from the Sorceress War.

I can see NORG being married to the Sol sorceress, because she would have been rich and generous to fund the Gardens in the first place. And Norg only inherited her wealth.

And we know there was some other sorceress that gave Edea her powers. Not Ultimecia. Because Edea originally got her powers when she was 5.

And then there's the question of what sorceress in the past did Ellone send Ultimecia to in order to compress time. It's only explained by Dr. Odine that she needed to go further into the past. I suspect there was originally more to the story. And that the mutant looking one had something to do with the legend of Hyne's Body that didn't pan out.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 30 09:45:43 2018 No.5074680 >>5074408 Oh boy, here we go...

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 30 09:54:56 2018 No.5074692 >>5074484 this desu as silly as the snes era ff's were i sure as hell prefer them to the high school drama shit of the psx games

Anonymous Sun Sep 30 10:05:20 2018 No.5074708

>>5074423
Adel doesn't control the lunar cry? Unless she can subtly influence events while in her suspended animation....

The events that unfolded up there were planned by Ultimecia and her knowledge of the future/past and AFAIK, Adel was just caught up in it and "went with the flow". The Lunar Cry is an event that happens in set intervals (10k years?) like celestial clockwork and the Crystal Pillar focuses the LC to a point. Adel just happened to be in between the LC and the CP and it guided her down safety to Earth aboard the Lunatic Pandora. Adel did NOT control the LC.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 30 10:09:24 2018 No.5074715 >>5074514 Yes it does. The term that you're looking for is liberal. Leftists are far left SJW.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 30 10:10:38 2018 No.5074717 >>5074484 Nope, try harder kid. Imagine being this much of a contrarian faggot. I can't even begin to fathom how sad your life must be. For the good of everyone, you should probably get off the internet.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 30 10:21:16 2018 No.5074724 >>5028717 It was awful. IX is better.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 30 10:24:14 2018 No.5074728 >>5074724 Nope, try harder.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 30 11:54:36 2018 No.5074878 File: 667 KB, 1012x707, Sorceresses.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>5074449 >>5074463 Fixed

Anonymous Sun Sep 30 12:34:47 2018 No.5074932

>>5073754
Saying it plays for itself is oversimplifying the game's gameplay. It's like a streamlined, condensed version of X-2's gameplay which has the best gameplay in the franchise. Though I have no idea why XIII's battle system didn't have the basic, obvious improvements in that XIII-2 got to begin with.

I only played XIII when it got relased on PC so I've seen the "mash x to win xd" memes and I was really flabbergasted by it all when I played it and realized it was a decent game and most of the hate were just memes.

But I'd agree with all your other points - the world's concept is interesting but there's nothing to explore, backtracking isn't a thing, Snow's the most unlikable character in any game for 95% of the game, the game thinks its battle system is way more complicated than it is and there's too many tutorials, etc.

But that aside, the cast really grew on me after a while and over the course of the trilogy they become my favorite cast. The entire trilogy gets a 7/10 from me, with the first game being the weakest.

I remember reading somewhere that they had ideas for the paradigm shift being job shifts complete with costume changes but they dropped it. I think if they went ahead with that idea the game's autoplaying critiques wouldn't have been so numerous and it being a streamlined version of X-2's gameplay would have been more obvious.

>>5074028
I like FFVIII, but sticking to its roots doesn't make it good.

Anonymous Sun Sep 30 14:26:54 2018 No.5075131

>>5074932
>I only played XIII when it got relased on PC so I've seen the "mash x to win xd" memes and I was really flabbergasted by it all when I played it and realized it was a decent game and most of the hate were just memes.
Mash x to win was a hyperbole much like some platformers being described as "hold right to win", but that doesn't mean the game is actually good by any means.
One of its biggest flaws was the lack of interaction needed from the player. The very few customization options it had were shallow, Crystarium was almost entirely on rails and required little to no thought, no exploration, no towns, no NPCs, hardly any resource management and extremely formulaic go from point A to point B with no surprises in-between.
All of this means that it was utterly brain numbing to play through it. Even the battle system which did a lot of good things didn't really need your input. It needed your attention, but in terms of interaction it almost played itself. I don't think this would really be an issue if not for the fact that the entire fucking game seemed to be designed around the player having as little player agency as possible. It really didn't help the battle system that you play through a lot of the chapters with only two characters at the time when the paradigm system thrives when you have more combinations to work with.
There is only 1 chapter with a lot of exceptions to all of this and it's close to the end of the game. It's also the only place where I'd say the battle/paradigm system actually becomes interesting.
As far as I can remember the game didn't really have any villains either. Girl with eyeglasses seemed interesting, but before you got to know anything about her she just died out of nowhere.
Data logs were also dumb. In a game where the design philosophy seems to have been "show don't tell" with hours of cutscenes they somehow didn't manage to squeeze that information in.

tl;dr The hate for this game is very much justified.

Anonymous Sun Sep 30 14:27:10 2018 No.5075132

>>5074429
Stay mad, scrub fagshit.

>>5074441
>7's fans were horrified when 8 had a different tone and mechanics
It's not "VII's fans" in particular, but FF normie scrubshit commune in general, as FF VIII didn't include "their favorite" treasure chests/boxes, MPs, armor/accessories and other STALE, UNORIGINAL, OLD shit. In this lieu, VII differs from "classical" FFs ONLY by setting and design, NOT by mechanics. VII was just as STALE and UNORIGINAL as all other FFs before it. FF VIII, however, was INVENTFUL, ORIGINAL, NEW, FRESH. And that's why FF VIII > VII. Because it's NOT same old shit all over again and that is SUPER-FUCKING-GREAT. Perfect normie filter, hence why all the autistic REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEing and production of BS FUD about VIII from the kiddie scrubshits back in the day.

>fans of 7 and 8 can't tolerate 9's medieval look, superdeformed characters and the change in pace
I'm personally absolutely fine with IX's design and setting. It's a bad game for all the different reasons. I was never against the fact it returned to medieval fantasy style after VIII, this is not why I disliked IX so much. There are a shitton of other reasons why it's an underwhelming trash.

>>5074708
>Adel doesn't control the lunar cry
You have never played the fucking game, clear as a day now.

>Ultimecia
Again with this shit? Nobody would ever take you seriously for as long as you keep on saying this retarded mistranslated shit.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 30 14:49:38 2018 No.5075185 >>5075132 >>Adel doesn't control the lunar cry >You have never played the fucking game, clear as a day now. So how does she control the LC?

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 30 14:50:40 2018 No.5075187 >>5075132 >mistranslated shit I don't give a fuck you autistic weeb.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 30 14:59:51 2018 No.5075202 >>5075132 But FF 8 is the most popular among "normies".

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 30 15:03:17 2018 No.5075207 >>5075202 Careful now, you'll trigger him. I wonder how much he will sperg from that one?

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 30 16:56:55 2018 No.5075391 >>5075187 Cuck. >>5075202 Nice headcanon, fagshit.

Anonymous Sun Sep 30 17:31:21 2018 No.5075468

>>5075132
What are you even talking about? Are you reverse trolling? Because I really like FF8 but acting like an autistic retard isn't doing the game any good. FFVII was pretty good, the materia system is cool. If I had to choose between it and the Junction system, I'd choose the former because it gives you a better experience. How much you like FFVIII depends on how much you like Triple Triad and having a minigame be the crux of a game's gameplay really was bad game design. It's a JRPG first and foremost.

>Because it's NOT same old shit all over again
But not really. You refine cards or you draw magic and you equip it to your stats. Over and over again. It's really not the dynamic gameplay experience you're pretending it is.

>>5075131
Yeah, I get the hate for it but I still like it. Good point on the lack of villain. You really do just kind of play through the game without any real endgame in mind and after going on about how they won't destroy Cocoon they still go on and destroy Cocoon. The whole thing was bizarre and that must have been 10x worse without knowing that there was a sequel coming.

>>5075202
>But FF 8 is the most popular among "normies"
And you're just talking bullshit.

>>	Anonymous Sun Sep 30 17:36:01 2018 No.5075475 >>5075391 So how does Adel control the LC?

Anonymous Mon Oct 1 06:33:23 2018 No.5076424
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>>5075185
She had Dr.Odine construct the Lunatic Pandora using the Crystal Pillar that fell from the moon during the Lunar Cry that destroyed the Centra continent. With the Crystal Pillar Adel could summon monster from the moon at any time. Basically a call back to The Emperor from FF2 who summoned monsters from another dimension and built an artificial Cyclone to conqueror the world.

When they sealed Adel they rocketed her off into space and trapped her between the moon and the planet's gravity. Then they built Tear's Point over the predicted site of the next NATURAL Lunar Cry. The boxes there were resistors or something to deflect the energy field so that a Lunar Cry wouldn't happen. However, Seifer moved the Pandora over Tear's Point to Amplify the energy, causing all the boxes to turn red and blow up. Summoning the Lunar Cry, catching Adel in between and bringing her down.

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