/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.4998860]

Will a re-release ever see the light of day?

[Anonymous No.4998868]

Yes, it’s called Mednafen

[Anonymous No.4998869]

Only if it's emulated. I don't believe it can ever be ported.

Companies need to keep better track of source code. It's not that fucking hard.

[Anonymous No.4999050]

Yes, I can burn a CD-R and call it a re-release.

[Anonymous No.4999065]

>>4998860
Dude just import a Japanese copy and apply an English patch if you wanna play it so bad.

[Anonymous No.4999132]

>>4998869
Would it be possible for Sega to just slap the ISOs in emulator for a release similar to what Capcom did for Mega Man Legacy Collection?

[Anonymous No.4999156]

>>4999132
They'd would have to pay someone to make a Saturn emulator. Saturn emulation isn't terribly easy, and there aren't too many games they would be able to sell with it.

[Anonymous No.4999170]

>>4998860
Source code is lost, so never

[Anonymous No.4999623]

>>4999170
source code is 100% irrelevant when it comes to re-releases, ports, whatever. The best ports from old systems to more modern ones don't even rely on the source code. You fell for a meme.

Speaking of memes, nobody has ever posted a source that the PDS source code has been lost.

[Anonymous No.4999653]

god i hope not, this game really is not that good and way overrated

[Anonymous No.4999658]

>>4999623
>source code is 100% irrelevant when it comes to re-releases, ports, whatever.

You are 100% a joke.

[Anonymous No.4999681]

>>4999065
Okay, I legitimately laughed out loud
>Dude, just hunt around on Ebay for months for the chance to pay $300 for it!
seriously, once that anon gets it, they are going to have to rip it to a PC to apply the patch, anyway. what is the difference? other than giving $300 to someone who is NOT Sega?

I think game pirates are shit, but with physical media, there is no point. Sega is never going to get a dime for this, so who is being harmed?

[Anonymous No.4999684]

>>4998869
>Companies need to keep better track of source code. It's not that fucking hard.

Companies have shown time and time again they give no fucks. If it wasn't for die hard gamers being such hardcore fans these old games would often just disappear due to negligence.

[Anonymous No.4999745]

Look I re released it. That took less than 5 minutes.

[Anonymous No.5001578]

>>4999658
>he doesn't even know
source code is irrelevant, enjoy your worthless text stallman. Source code for PDS would also be worthless as the saturn is a highly specialized system and nothing could be rewritten to work on other pieces of hardware. Enjoy your meme and stupidity.

[babbage's gramps !RATGzMALLY No.5001586]

>>5001578
Yep, all those Saturn multiplats were written from scratch yep yep.

[Anonymous No.5001595]

>>5001578
>Source code for PDS would also be worthless as the saturn is a highly specialized system and nothing could be rewritten to work on other pieces of hardware.

You'd just need to change the polygon draw function to send shit to a d3d buffer, and change the polygons to use TrueColor instead of vdp2 palettes, hit recompile, and you'd have 90% of the game running fine. You'd only need to do major work on the backgrounds - but you could render that shit Saturn style with some pixel shader code.

[Anonymous No.5001612]

>>4999681
>$300
I won't argue with the rest of that but japanese copies of panzer dragoon saga are not that expensive. there's like 24 listings and most them are under $20

[Anonymous No.5001615]

>>5001612
requires the ability to speak moon.
That said the dump but if you must have a OC looking copy is to just buy a reproduction.

[Anonymous No.5001626]

>>4998860
why bother re-releasing it? just remake it.

[Anonymous No.5001628]

>>4998860
Yes, right after the re-release of House of the Dead.

[Anonymous No.5001630]

>>4998860
no, there is no source code

[Anonymous No.5001862]

>>5001595
>you'd have 90% of the game running fine.
imagine knowing so little about the most advanced saturn game. I can't wait for the DF retro video this way I don't have to explain it.

[Anonymous No.5001874]

>>4999653
THIS. I am so sick of people pretending like this is THE saturn game and THE game of all fucking time when it's not. It's a shitty RPG and a shitty game overall. Yeah it's amazing for the saturn's hardware but that doesn't mean the game is good. People need to grow up and realize just how mediocre this mess really is.

[Anonymous No.5001898]

>>5001578

Have you never looked into the insanity that was the Silent Hill 1/2 HD "Remaster"? They lost the fucking source code and it was a disaster.

[Anonymous No.5001902]

>>5001898

SH 2/3*

[Anonymous No.5002212]

>>5001898
So much autism with one image.

[babbage's gramps !RATGzMALLY No.5002325]

>>5001874
>>4999653
The problem with the game, somewhat parallel to other late 5th gen games like Vagrant Story is that it was too ambitious, not just for the hardware but especially in the case of PDS for the development team as well. It feels very empty, which yeah in the case of PDS kind of can work for the setting but these are the kind of games that could benefit tremendously from a more fleshed out remaster - but if the core gameplay isn't correct then all the added content in the world would only make it feel more wrong.

It's ridiculous to claim PDS isn't a good game even with its flaws. It just makes you look like an internet contrarian.

[Anonymous No.5004157]

>>4999065
What English patch?

[Anonymous No.5004174]

>>5002212
it's just a crossover image with that one disney show

[Anonymous No.5005550]

>>5001874
It is a good game though. It's one of the best of the era, it cuts out all the fluff that plagued the genre like grinding, convoluted messy writing that drags on for 100 hours and endless filler content and distilled it down to a precise and wonderful 15 hour experience.
Combined with a completely original, engaging and unique battle system and an utterly phenominal OST.
If you think this game is a mess you have played fuck all JRPG's from the era my friend or you're just being a shitbrained troll.

[Anonymous No.5005693]

>>5001862
>imagine knowing so little about the most advanced saturn game.

Oh, what exactly am I not knowing here? It's a completely bog standard gouraud shaded polygon game, the only extra shit beyond that is the VDP2 use as ground/water planes, sometimes with transparency.

[Anonymous No.5005820]

>>4998860
No.

honestly, even if they still had the sources, Sega's a bunch of lazy shits who still think banking on their top five properties, continuing to mismanage Sonic, and doing nothing else is a reasonable business strategy
and unlike their constant Genesis releases, they don't have a Saturn emulator

>>5001578
>saturn is a highly specialized system
Kinda?
VDP1 draws stretchy sprites and can do shit with their colors, resulting in textured, shaded polygons. That's it. It's different from how everyone ended up doing it, but that's a non-issue these days.
VDP2 is a tilemapper chip that does blending effects and can rotate a surface in 3D.
The capabilities of both can be (easily) replicated on modern GPU hardware.
The two CPUs are standard SH-2 CPUs.
There's an SH-1 in there too for CD access, but it only runs code from its ROM.
The SCSP is basically just a sampler chip with a pre-programmed DSP for reverb.
It's got a 68k of some variety to use for running the audio driver.
Oh, and there's a general-purpose DSP chip (that a fair few games just ignored), mainly for use with transform and lighting.

the only thing really special about the Saturn is its low fillrate and how many processors Sega was willing to put in the machine

>>5001898
You can do a remaster without emulating and without source that's good.
It's gonna be fucking expensive to make, though.
You'd basically make a disassembly and then rewrite the game using the disassembly as a direct reference. It's a lot of work.

[Anonymous No.5005896]

>>4998860
Pretty sure this and extra content (concept art, FMVs and soundtrack) become available in Orta's bonus screen when you complete the game

[Anonymous No.5005908]

>>5005896
Only PD1

[Anonymous No.5006016]

>>5005820
The SH1 is a closed system you send "read file x" commands to, it isn't an issue unless you use it as bonus RAM, even then, the CD Block commands can be looked up and replaced.

68k runs a bog standard SCSP driver, that you can interrupt from the SH2 side and tell it to play sample x. Again not an issue, other than looking up the difference between what is SFX and what is a music track, but they all use different banks.
SFX might get mangled but you can pre-record the music from the plenty of soundtrack disc releases.

the DSP wasn't used in the game.

The main SH2 code is an issue only if the game was written in assembly instead of C or C++.

[Anonymous No.5006321]

>>5004157
not that anon, but I'M fairly certain there's one on rhdn