Be Nintendo

[Anonymous No.4998071]

>Cease and Desist for creativity
>Steal the money of game preserving sites because "Muh Mario not free" (even though they aren't making money off the retro shit anymore)
>Hates hackers, can't stop them
>

[Anonymous No.4998191]

let's murder shigeru miyamoto

[Anonymous No.4998237]

I'm still resentful over Streets of Rage Remake.
I know it's not Nintendo, but still romhack related.

[Anonymous No.4998240]

>>4998191
I’m alerting Reggie. He’s gonna be all over your ass now...

[babbage's gramps !RATGzMALLY No.4998262]

>>4998071
>they aren't making money off the retro shit anymore
They're only selling millions of retro mini consoles and billions of virtual console games

[Anonymous No.4998289]

>>4998262
But virtual console doesn't exist anymore. And I doubt their worldwide virtual console numbers were over a billion.

[Anonymous No.4998290]

>>4998237
That wasn't a hack, even. It was built from scratch. Any company worth its salt would've said "You people are excellent, we will give you a budget and you will make Streets of Rage 4."

[Anonymous No.4998356]

>>4998289
The NES and SNES mini you fucking idiot

[Anonymous No.4998361]

>>4998356
shove them up your ass

[Anonymous No.4998373]

>>4998289
More the reason to come after filthy THIEVES

[Anonymous No.4998448]

>>4998356
yeah play the 200 games from the thousands of games now apparently lost from playing real good idea anon

[Anonymous No.4998469]

>>4998289
>But virtual console doesn't exist anymore

Of course not anon-

>buy games on initial release
>buy games again on virtual console which Nintendo drops support for
>buy games and hardware AGAIN on NES and SNES mini

It just never ends with Nintendo, does it? And their fans keep buying the same game multiple times.

[Anonymous No.4998473]

I'm refusing to buy a Switch because of this bullshit. Shame, because Belmonts in Smash got me pretty hype

[Anonymous No.4998814]

>>4998071
>"game preserving"

That's a really weird way to describe hosting and distributing illegal copies of copyrighted software.

[Anonymous No.4998846]

>>4998071
They don't want you playing anyone's game for free, because that means you're not buying their current wares.

Make your own shit without leaning on their properties. AM2R didn't need to be a Metroid game.

[Anonymous No.4998849]

>>4998361
you still have to buy them to do it

[Anonymous No.4998852]

>>4998071
Back in my day, we just grabbed free shit when we could and didn't complain if cut off because we understood it was never ours to begin with. The barrier to accessing ROMs is still only a door's threshold, and it's better to have helpless casuals putting their money into the industry instead of squandering it on stupid trinkets.

[Anonymous No.4998874]

alright I get it Nintendo, you need to protect your IPs, but why the fuck do other websites that host non-tendo ISOs and old computer games have to get hit too? Did Nintendo really treatened them, or they are just a bunch of pussies?

[Anonymous No.4998884]

>>4998852
when it comes to the third world, there would have been no thriving niche scene of any kind in the last two decades, whether you're talking about anime, games or indie music, without internet piracy. it was not a matter of "doing it because you can"; it was a matter of doing it because the media was otherwise unavailable or prohibitively expensive. in this sense, piracy was a blessing. it significantly contributed to the scenes. they couldn't exist without it.

i would still favor piracy if i lived in the land of the free, where the pay is good and the wares are plentiful and cheap, although i would probably buy more games.

[babbage's gramps !RATGzMALLY No.4998915]

>>4998448
>apparently lost

>>4998814
Everyone needs to calm down and realize that the entire US NES library, zipped is like 100 megs and the whole nointro collection of cartridge consoles is like 30 gigish. There's no way that data will ever be lost at this point in history

[Anonymous No.4998940]

People who bitch about game preservation are retards.

You're doing something illegal. That doesn't even make what you're doing wrong, but do NOT bitch that you chose to do something illegal.

[Anonymous No.4998947]

>>4998940
the state and the corporations are the real criminals. piracy is freedom. pizzagate is real.

[Anonymous No.4998953]

>>4998940
Nintendo is even more retarded for using those "preserved" roms for VC.

[Anonymous No.4998973]

>>4998953

No that's not retarded at all, nor is it hypocritical. Just because someone illegally did something with your property doesn't mean anything you do with your property is taboo. If a farmer finds someone growing a garden illegally on his land, it's not hypocritical to take the crop and sell it as his, in fact doing that is right.

[Anonymous No.4998994]

>>4998973
you should be a patent lawyer, i bet you could win a case with that one.

[Anonymous No.4999021]

it's cool that you can publish fanfiction about greek gods, roman emperors and bible characters, as poets and playwrights have done for centuries, but you can't do it with mario, superman and donald duck. it's not like spinning tales is the very thing that makes us human. it's not like taking popular characters and putting them in your own stories is the most natural of creative impulses. kids put their creativity to good use writing stories about mario or harry potter, blissfully unaware that they are threading on some large business monopoly's sacred intellectually protected ground. it's cool that the state and the big businesses want to legislate their way into our very imaginations.

[Anonymous No.4999029]

>>4999021

It's fine and all to say that copyright law extends too far, but the thread started out with typical "preservation" hysteria.

[Anonymous No.4999032]

Keep fucking crying. These ROMs are not gone if you know how to search for them. Once on the Internet, always on the Internet.

[Anonymous No.4999034]

>>4998473
Your loss. The Switch is great.

[Anonymous No.4999045]

>>4998994
You're not wrong. His point is very valid.

[Anonymous No.4999046]

>>4998947
this but unironically

[Anonymous No.4999059]

>>4999045
it is. which doesn't mean that the pressupositions on which it rests are right.

stephan kinsella, one of the most vocal current anti-intellectual property authors, is a patent attorney.

[Anonymous No.4999064]

>>4999032
But Nintendo, evil monopolistic practises, evil yakuza, mario bad.

[Anonymous No.4999080]

>>4999059

And?

[Anonymous No.4999101]

>>4999064
you're just being an epic funnyman, but you touch on an interesting point. the origins of the company are somewhat shady, but its official anti-emulation stance is the most unctuous and legalistic piece of legalese ever penned by a team of lawyers. there's a part stating that even if you own the game, it is illegal to dump it even if it's strictly for personal use. it's one of the most unreasonably rigoristic pieces of legal writing i have come across.

[Anonymous No.4999106]

the fact that he is both of these things is interesting. that's all. i didn't mean the statement to be some kind of devastating argument.

[Anonymous No.4999108]

>>4999101
I don't even know the origins of the company. Didn't they start in the 1880s making hanafuda? Were they connected to the Daimio?

[Anonymous No.4999112]

>>4999108

Most major Japanese companies have mob ties, anon.

There was a Sega employee who was harassed by Yakuza at Sega's behest, so he decided to intimidate Sega back by burn an arcade cabinet down in front of their main office building.

[Anonymous No.4999319]

>>4998071
>be poor entitled underage
>cease and not continue to access the site
FTFYK

[Anonymous No.4999330]

>>4998071
JEWtendo has been jewing since the beginning. They tried to make game genies illegal.

[Anonymous No.4999406]

>>4998237
>>4998290
Im not aware of this, what happened?

[Anonymous No.4999451]

>>4999330

[Anonymous No.4999458]

>>4999406
Fans worked long and hard on a Streets of rage remake of the trilogy for the PC, and put a lot of effort into it, and then finally released it one day, and within that one day, SEGA told them to fuck off and take down the game. If you thought the AM2R incident was bad, which it was; imagine a fan remake of a franchise SEGA long forgot and still barely acknowledges just getting fucked over in one day, and worst of all, people fucking forget it every fucking time and whenever Nintendo pulls shit like this, people come from the woodworks saying "SEGA does what nintendon't, they wouldn't do this shit", ignoring the fact that SEGA literally did it before Nintendo made it cool. At least with Metroid, Nintendo acknowledges that it exists, Sega barely touches SoR, except for the regular dumb Genesis collection packs.

[Anonymous No.4999468]

>Nintendo takes down rom sites because they feel like it's lost revenue
I don't like it, but I can see where they're coming from.

>C&D's roms they don't even sell anymore, and games they don't even own the rights to
Now they're going a little too far.

>pushes an EULA with every game they sell, stating that you're only buying a license which they can revoke at any time
Just like every other company, but that doesn't make it okay.

>sues people who try and make legal backups of games they officially purchased, because muh circumvented DRM
And that's where I draw the line.

[Anonymous No.4999482]

>>4999458
am2r? Do you have a link to anything I can read to catch up on the sega streets of rage drama?

[Anonymous No.4999490]

>>4999482
>am2r?
Another metroid 2 remake
>Do you have a link to anything I can read to catch up on the sega streets of rage drama?
I remember quite a bit of drama about it when it happened, but I can't seem to find that much articles about it, here's what I can find though
http://gameranx.com/features/id/159002/article/10-incredible-fan-games-that-were-legally-taken-down/
http://www.digitalspy.com/gaming/news/a314306/streets-of-rage-fan-remake-pulled-by-sega/

[Anonymous No.4999503]

>>4999458
It's a pity that the SOR people didn't release the source code like the AM2R guy did. The constant fan updates have evolved Am2r into such a fine little game, with the new game +, new entry logs, new gameplay, new maps, and etc.

[Anonymous No.4999613]

>>4998814
it wouldn't be illegal if there were a way to legallly get it. how the fuck else is someone supposed to play arcade games that never got home ports?
or licensed games, like Sunsoft's Batman?
or games that were joint projects from multiple companies, like Capcom's Aliens vs. Predator?
or games that were released in limited runs and are stupidly expensive, like Magic Knight Rayearth and Panzer Dragoon Saga?
or games that are a nightmare to re-release due to music rights, like Scott Pilgrim VS the World, or Jet Set Radio Future?
or games exclusive to obscure, dead consoles, like PC-FX games?

[Anonymous No.4999663]

>>4998846
no one freaks out when cover bands tour. Japanese companies don't flip their shit when doujin artists make manga or statues of their stuff.
why do game companies have to be such huge assholes about their licenses?

[Anonymous No.4999668]

>>4999032
this is true. I will have to start hunting through file sharing services, when I want to add to my collection again. It pains me that Emuparadise is gone, though

[Anonymous No.4999669]

>>4999034
library is 95% wiiu ports, the other 5% is odyssey and octo just not enough games

[Anonymous No.4999674]

>>4999330
would you faggots quit with the Jew shit? greed is fucking greed. fuck off with your imaginary boogeymen

[Anonymous No.4999683]

>>4999669
While this is true, Wiiu ports aren't a negative for the majority of people who don't have a Wiiu.

[Anonymous No.4999693]

>>4998814
Shut the fuck up you fucking faggot. Every one of you that says "lol don't copy that floppy" probably listens to copyrighted game muisc on Youtube on a regular basis. It's literally exactly the same thing without a lick of nuance.

[Anonymous No.4999704]

>>4999674

[Anonymous No.5000653]

>>4998071
learn how to greentext you fucking newfag retard

[Anonymous No.5000701]

I disagree with them taking down non-profit fan made content, but I agree with their right to protect their ip. Still, it would be nice if they relaxed a little.

[Anonymous No.5000707]

>>4998071
>even though they aren't making money off the retro shit anymore
this is false

[Anonymous No.5000708]

copyright is gay

[Anonymous No.5000769]

>>4999613
>how the fuck else is someone supposed to play arcade games that never got home ports?
Go to the arcade, or never play it. You don't have some right to play and/or own every video game.

Yes. I said it. You sound privileged, but just to reiterate, NO YOU DON'T HAVE RIGHTS that you think you do.

You have the right to go to an arcade and play the game you want in the way that the developer intended. OR you can make a choice to not play the game. At the end of the day, it still is your choice....not theirs.

[Anonymous No.5000772]

>>5000769
you're dumb, mentally ill and a faggot.

[Anonymous No.5000826]

>>5000772
But is he really wrong? You didn't buy it, why do you suddenly deserve to play it? Isn't your gripe really with people that buy carts for high prices and hold on to them?

[Anonymous No.5000885]

>>5000826
i despise people who think that punctiliously following the legal fine print down to the last letter is the definition of ethical living.

[Anonymous No.5000893]

>>5000708
The original limit was 14 years which feels reasonable. Life + 70 years which we've got now and Life + 100 that they're trying to push? That's fucking insane and can't be taken seriously anymore. There won't be any working NES consoles in 100 years!

[Anonymous No.5000906]

>>5000893
yeah, but even 14 years is stupid. that's the time they had to wait before trains could run on more efficient steam engines, because the patent holder wouldn't let them use his invention. so trains had to run on a less efficient imitation of his engine. you get these inelegant, inefficient, even risky situations, in which society at large, everyone except the patent holder, is worse off, because some legislator at some point, whose pockets no doubt were being lined by would-be monopolists, thought it was a good idea to erect legal fences around abstract ideas.

coders today are afraid of devising a new line of code only to discover that it has already been patented. it's a mess. every way you look at it, these kind of laws are a mess and lead to messy, stupid situations. there's nothing very "just" about them really. this stern finger-wagging like this guy just did, i find it weird. he's probably the kind of guy who has an inordinate respect for cops.

[Anonymous No.5000924]

>>5000906
Patents are a whole 'nother ball game and I hate them. I hate them so much. Society would be so much better off without them.

[Anonymous No.5000926]

>>5000924
>>5000906
And now that I think about it there's 14 year old games that are getting hard to find.

[Anonymous No.5000952]

>>5000924
no, i disagree. "intellectual property" is the problem. for instance, there's nothing ethically legitimate about nintendo's legal campaign against am2r. it's a beautiful game. society has been impoverished, not enriched, by nintendo's legal action. no company "owns" any fictional character. what they do have is a legal monopoly over the use of their characters. but this kind of monopoly over characters is iniquitous, as iniquitous as in the case of patents. i could go on at lenght about this, but i have already typed enough words for today. intellectual property is bad. the draconian legal climate it creates is bad.

[Anonymous No.5000962]

>>5000952
That I can agree with. C&Ding Am2r was a travesty and what I really don't like is how you're suddenly not allowed to share content you've bought and being told what you can and can't do with your own device. When I realized that there's 14 year old games being impossible to get then it's time to dismantle the whole thing lawyer's jobs be dammed.

[Anonymous No.5000965]

Fans and romhackers are never going to convince Nintendo et al to pull their heads out of their asses.

The A2MR guys had it right: don't say a fucking thing before the thing is done, and make it available on the web right when you announce it. Even after the C&D there's still plenty of places to get that game.

I don't get these people who spend two years making Mario in the Unreal Engine or whatever bullshit, posting blog updates about it once a month, then acting like it's the most shocking thing in the world when they get a C&D from a notoriously litigious company.

I'm not saying any of that is right (artist's life + 70 is a fucking joke, I hope Walt Disney is rotting in hell) but people need to be smart about this stuff if they're going to put their time and effort into fan projects.

And it's worth noting that there are companies who AREN'T total cunts about this sort of thing. The devs for Jedi Outcast and Jedi Academy published the source code after Lucasarts went away, for example. And I think there was some Mechwarrior fan-game that got Microsoft's blessing to use the IP.

[Anonymous No.5001006]

>>5000952
Based

[Anonymous No.5001045]

>>4998356
Sure must be nice to steal other peoples dumps without changing the code and slapping the Nintendo Seal of Quality on it.

[Anonymous No.5001162]

>>4998237
That was in 2011.
You can upload and play romhacks on Steam now.

[Anonymous No.5001241]

>>5001162
I'd still argue it was a bigger loss than AM2R, so many added features and levels, yet taken down not long afterwards, and of course it was a franchise that has been dead for decades that sega doesn't do much with other than re-release on emulator packs

[Anonymous No.5001280]

>>5000965
I want to agree with this but then I also think there's good reason not to just give anybody the keys to a beloved character.

See: Elsa and Spider-man.

[Anonymous No.5001286]

>>5001280
depraved fanction is inevitable. you might as well try to legally prohibit people from imagining copyrighted characters in depraved sexual scenarios.

[Anonymous No.5001291]

>>5001280
The whole Nursery Rhyme youtube shit is such a deep rabbit hole and is generally too much to deal with and would require dealing with other countries, thus massive legal fees, it's better that they just sit back and let Youtube eventually get rid of them for other reasons, like having people get injected on camera I will never forget that video, the russian girl screaming will forever be burned in my mind.

[Anonymous No.5001613]

>>5001291
>like having people get injected on camera
What, like just a standard injection?

[Anonymous No.5002403]

>>5001613
Like unnecessary home injections just for "entertaining children on youtube".

[Anonymous No.5002415]

>>5001291
I had to go blacklist 95% of the content on my kids fire tablet.

[Anonymous No.5002450]

https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2017-01-18-did-nintendo-download-a-mario-rom-and-sell-it-back-to-us
Top kek

[Anonymous No.5002464]

>>5001162
It wasn't a rom hack it was illegal copyright violation.

[babbage's gramps !RATGzMALLY No.5002467]

>>5001291
Those brown-asian super hero videos got pretty strange but I never saw anyone actually get a real injection. The sexy Mini Mouse videos raised my eyebrows higher than the Spiderman ones. Maybe Elsa was worse? My son doesn't like Elsa so I didn't see many of those outside of like live action "Elsa and Spiderman have a baby" type stuff.

[Anonymous No.5002471]

>>5000826
If you keep using words like "deserve" and "privilege" in such a retarded legalistic manner, it ceases having any meaning at all for your argument.

Let's take this for something other than videogames. Do I "deserve" to read the classics of world literature without paying anything? Technically not, but one would think that a society in which I would be able to do this is a desirable kind of society for the vast amount of the population, and encourages culture. Now, I *could* go and buy the latest fancy hardcover in the bookshop, but those can get kind of expensive so I want a different option. Luckily in the civilised world we have public libraries, which allow me to experience the masterworks of human writing for a minimal yearly price. I can take them home and read them for 20 days, and I can even extend this by calling the library lady on the phone. That's pretty fucking convenient. I even have access to literally dozens of libraries with the same yearly card in my city.
Now what about digital services for videogames? Well, the best you can hope for is buying a specific platform to get access to a truncated list of classic videogames, which will expire in a few years anyway, or can get pulled by the service at any time. Piracy is nearly always the superior way to experience the classics.

Now you can say for instance that preserving access to old videogames isn't as important as literary works, to which I reply - fuck off and go back to sucking corporate cock. Archives are important for their own sake even if it's a bunch of garbage or inconvenient for private interests.

[Anonymous No.5002473]

>>5002471
I wouldn't wish video games on my worst enemy.

[Anonymous No.5002476]

>>5002467
There was one nursery rhyme video which had a Russian dad give his daughter an injection, went from a happy video to a very scary video with censor box, sad music, and his daughter screaming bloody murder on camera, along with her father yelling at her in russian as he injected her with something unidentifiable. Of course the whole thing was that he was dressed as a doctor and it was a skit about getting a shot, except this was a real injection. Shit was fucked up and was up for quite a while before youtube finally acknowledged those videos and started removing them, the only proof of it's existence now is probably one or two Tim Poole videos talking about the rabbit hole of nursery rhyme videos.

[babbage's gramps !RATGzMALLY No.5002498]

>>5002476
I saw quite a few with the theme of getting a shot. I'm sure that those asians just researched themes that drew strong reactions from kids and then once they produced enough content, their view counts and revenue streams served as their audience research but it seems like a lot of effort to go to when fake injections would get the same reactions. Of course I never really saw much russian produced content either, it seemed like mostly malaysian/vietnamese type stuff. Also, I think youtube used the scandal as justification to demonetize a lot of completely innocent channels just to keep the money. Like one of my kid's very favorite youtubers basically lost one of his channels entirely.

[Anonymous No.5002545]

>>5000769
No one is saying we have a right to play these games retard, but a lot (almost all) retro games are so inconvienient to find and play that piracy is the best way to experience em. Why do you think movie piracy has gone down with the rise of streaming services? It's literally just convenience, retro games are one of the most inconvenient services to obtain. Also why would you actively want to limit who can access media? The point of archiving video games isn't just to pirate but also extend who can play it. I guarantee this board wouldn't exist if not for piracy

[Anonymous No.5002881]

>>4998915
>Everyone needs to calm down and realize that the entire US NES library, zipped is like 100 megs and the whole nointro collection of cartridge consoles is like 30 gigish. There's no way that data will ever be lost at this point in history
Seriously.

[Anonymous No.5002890]

>>5000769
You can go fuck yourself right in the asshole. Arcades are dead.

[Anonymous No.5002925]

>>5002473
his post is good and correct.

[Anonymous No.5002930]

>>5002545
>Why do you think movie piracy has gone down with the rise of streaming services?

true cinephiles still torrent a lot. netflix is unspeakably bad.

[Anonymous No.5003078]

>>5002930
This, and with Netflix removing just about everything that was good, getting cucked by hulu and spending more money on original shit that isn't even good, piracy is going to probably make a comeback when people realize that they can store those media files on something indefinitely, and wouldn't have to deal with something like Netflix who removes shit every other day.

[babbage's gramps !RATGzMALLY No.5003095]

>>5003078
Unlikely. Streaming services are here to stay and the MPAA, RIAA and SIAA have really streamlined their approach to shutting down torrenters who use major ISPs without using VPNs i.e. 98% of normalfags.

[Anonymous No.5003118]

>>5003078
one guy in another forum recently asked for netflix recommendation. i told him to watch "eyes wide shut". then i found out it had just been pulled from its catalogue.

there is a perverse mediocrity to legal services. the good shit gets pulled, the jennifer garner movies stay up forever.

[Anonymous No.5003164]

living in brazil and only reading nerd and hipster forums must have skewed my perspective. i used to think most people pirated and saw piracy as rather normal.

i indeed have seen normies react with horror at the idea of piracy. not here in brazil, but in anglophone internet forums. they see piracy as this strange, scandalous thing.

but normies flock to services like netflix not out of some high moral principle, but because, well, normies flock to popular things. they see netflix as a brand, and they like the brand. they think it's a sexy brand. they like netflix in the same way that they like coldplay and starbucks and GAP sweatshirts.

the whole thing kind of creeps me out. i'm tempted to use the word "dystopian".

streaming media is r-selected; storing libraries in external hard drives is k-selected. normies are instinctively inclined to passive entertainment; nerds are instinctively inclined to hoarding and cataloguing. the system would have us all become passive, helpless, r-selected individuals. curiosity, cultural omnivorousness, resourcefulness are legally punished; passived and undiscerning consumption is praised and rewarded.

[Anonymous No.5003187]

>>5003164
The only reason why see theft as natural is because you live in a corrupt nation, my dude. To you stealing is seen as an opportunity, it's something to be proud of because you live in a dog eat dog world, harm others first before they have a chance to hurt you and basically you know no other reality.

[Anonymous No.5003189]

>>5003164
So you're saying you are a communist.

[Anonymous No.5003210]

>>5003187
you are incredibly ignorant about brazil. i live in a southern capital with a 2 million population. i'm white; more than half of our citizens are white. most people have normal, bureaucratic jobs, are relatively well-to-do, drive new cars, have up-to-date laptops and smartphones, go to the shopping mall.

we're also vastly more good-looking an healthy than americans on average.

and you don't seem to be very good at reading comprehension. i also pointed out that most connoisseurs pirate. whether it be music, movies or games. i know this because i read their forums. and i'm talking about anglophone, mostly american forums.

>To you stealing is seen as an opportunity, it's something to be proud of because you live in a dog eat dog world, harm others first before they have a chance to hurt you and basically you know no other reality.

this is a bunch of pig-ignorant bullshit. favelas are a small part of the cities that happen to contain them. most of brazil is nothing like "city of god", which must be your main source of knowledge about the country.

most hipsters pirate, worldwide, because legal services suck. period. this is as true in brazil as it is in china and in eastern europe.

[Anonymous No.5003220]

>>5003210

[Anonymous No.5003224]

>>5003187
anyway my main point is this: the observable reality is that people with good taste, everywhere in the world, pirate. it's not a matter of selfishness, but of having high standards for oneself. in fact, as i have pointed out elsewhere, and as several authors have pointed out, in the long terms piracy helps sales. it contributes to the thriving of cultural niches.

and jesus christ almighty i'm tired of addressing the "theft" thing. i wish americans realized how ridiculous their puritanism sounds.

[Anonymous No.5003226]

>>5003187
piracy isn't theft
the original is still in tact and owned by the owner

[Anonymous No.5003230]

>>5003220
witty.

[Anonymous No.5003234]

>>5003230
A ti quién te conoce? Cuántas copas tenés?

[Anonymous No.5003235]

>>5003234
we speak portuguese in brazil, you dumb fuck.

[Anonymous No.5003241]

>>5003235
yeah nobody cares about your shitty country that is failing

i really like how the trend is for kids to shoot up soup cubes into their ass

[Anonymous No.5003246]

>>5003210
fuck off with that rant faggot no one cares lmao

[Anonymous No.5003257]

damn, i wish i lived in america. in a suburban mcmansion. i wish i drove an suv spacious enough for my bloated body, fattened on monsanto™ food. i wish i could anesthetize my sad american brain with an anti-depressant patented and manufactured by pfizer™. i wish i watched all my movies on netflix™, listened to all my music on spotify™, got all my games from steam™, and everything else from amazon™. my country looks so good with its endless suburbs and targets and walmarts. i wish i could just drive my fatmobile to denny's everyday, jesus christ that would be so sweet. i wish i could be a civilized, moral, proud american man.

[Anonymous No.5003259]

>>5003220
>>5003234
>>5003241

This reeks of asshurt latino, or just an usual ameriburger reply.

>>5003187
You have no argument whatsoever. What you've just typed could be applied to literally every country in the world. Everything is owned by the same people, I don't need to tell you who they are because I don't wanna get banned yet again. But since he said he's Brazilian, you took the easy road.

Also, this >>5003257

[Anonymous No.5003261]

>>5003259
>This reeks of asshurt latino, or just an usual ameriburger reply.

>you're someone from somewhere

[Anonymous No.5003262]

>>5003259
I like picking on low hanging fruit.

[Anonymous No.5003263]

>>5003241
>i really like how the trend is for kids to shoot up soup cubes into their ass
I really don't understand humanity at times.

[Anonymous No.5003269]

>>5003235
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[Anonymous No.5003280]

>>4998237
>wait until the game reaches 1.0
>send the cease and desist only then because companies can lose their IPs if it's proven in court that they're not protecting them

You dinguses are delusional. I don't want to defend sega since they are retarded, but if you don't see they were actually quite generous waiting for the 1.0 you're being silly. The game was already out, you lost nothing. You can download it right now.

[Anonymous No.5003284]

>>5003262
i like writing about this subject in forums like this because there's often one or two intelligent dudes who will write good replies.

the topic of piracy is a thorny one, very few people in the world have a good handle on it, and some of these people happen to post on /vr/. i have received some great feedback here, which helped expand my ideas on the matter.

you seem like a smart guy. you seem perfectly capable of putting yourself in my shoes. saying i'm a thief because i live in a country of barbarian thieves wasn't very polite, and i wasn't very polite to you in turn, but how about we just drop this.

[Anonymous No.5003286]

>>5003269
yeah man, give me those memes. damn i love memes.

[Anonymous No.5003291]

>>5003286
aw c’mon it’s just banter boyo, i have nothing against huehues

[Anonymous No.5003543]

>>5003078
Even on this board, most are too helpless to torrent a rom.

>>5002930
Stream quality has gotten good enough that I don't bother grabbing a blu-ray rip if it's already on a service I can access.

[Anonymous No.5003561]

>>5003543
They need to stop being leechers and actually look into torrenting stuff

[Mcdipshit No.5003583]

>>5003291
I saw it and it was fucking hilarious

[Anonymous No.5003715]

>>4999112
Sounds like a Yakuza substory

[Anonymous No.5003752]

>>5003210
Does your uncle work for tectoy?

[Anonymous No.5003781]

>>5003259
>Everything is owned by the same people, I don't need to tell you who they are because I don't wanna get banned yet again.
Are they banning us now for naming the capitalist class? For speaking for our rights as workers?
Stay strong, my proletarian brother! We will overthrow them soon enough.

[Anonymous No.5003808]

>>5003781

I'm a capitalist. I just death to all j*ws. They are the variable unbalancing the equation.

[Anonymous No.5003817]

>>5003752
no. but tectoy was cool. maybe if brazilian regulations and taxes were less cumbersome, we would still have something like that around.

[Anonymous No.5003830]

here's a dialogue i just read in an obscure forum whose regulars are some of the smartest and coolest gamers i know:

"I want those games on my hard drive so badly I'd kill for it"

"I'm kind of dreading the moment they'll just start streaming games and stuff and it's not even a matter of a local install anymore. I hate anything that abstracts away from the old directory-file structure and towards "apps" or cloud shit"

"i agree and all clouds must be destroyed."

"i want to have to manually create a "games" star menu dir with handmade shortcuts to all the .exes"

as i said before, these are instincts. every society is divided by castes. nerds are different from normies. they have different inclinations. they enjoy hoarding. they naturally resist streaming. their ancestors were hoarders.

normies will like something because it is popular. nerds will like something for the opposite reason. they will like it because it *isn't* popular. normies think netflix is cool, so much so that things like "netflix and chill" become memes. nerds torrent obscure movies that are not and will never be on netflix.

i'm sure most of /vr/ regulars look like the "neanderthal" or the "melonhead" composites in the picture attached. "genpop" and "cro-magnon" would be the normies.

[Anonymous No.5003831]

here's the picture.

[Anonymous No.5003846]

>>5003830
Maybe you should return there and not come back

[Anonymous No.5003847]

They don't want people looking at a shop, seeing retro games for $10-20, and passing on modern games for $60 in favor of the cheaper titles.

[Anonymous No.5003856]

>>5003846
did i step on your toes with something i said? or is it just that long posts are uncool? i'm making a point here. fuck you.

[Anonymous No.5003860]

>>5003856
Your point is retarded, go back to your smart friends.

[Anonymous No.5003862]

>>5003860
i realize i'm delving into esoteric subject matter. this kind of stuff helps me understand the big picture. i guess i'm a big picture guy. i have been kindly told that i'm "selfish" and "entitled" for preferring piracy to legal services. but no, i just find legal services shitty, as do many other people with good taste.

[Anonymous No.5003868]

>>5003862
I'm sure it's superior taste and not just wanting to get things for free.

[Anonymous No.5003870]

>>5003868
all right then, i guess you're just trolling. aren't you? best regards.

[Anonymous No.5003872]

>>5003870
First day on 4chan? Ain't you a smart cookie.

[Anonymous No.5003875]

>>500387
all right.

i'm not very smart. and i kind of regret bringing amateur phrenology into this.

my point is that smart people tend to do things a certain way. there is a pattern here. and this pattern has implications. the way we are being led to consume media is shitty. it is good to resist this increasing tendency towards streaming services. they're shitty. this is all i'm saying.

being smart is not a moral quality. the only important thing is to be a good person.

[Anonymous No.5004015]

>>5003164
I'm from eastern Europe and I had the same experience, it's really weird how easily people surrender to these corporate-sanctioned ways to get digital media when torrents exist.
Every country should probably go through a few decades of socialism so they learn to hate both the state and private industry with equal vigor, like proper educated human beings.

[Anonymous No.5004021]

>non-finite goods that can be reproduced with zero coat
>calling it theft
Is this sweet american logic?

[Anonymous No.5006037]

>>5003781
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VeWC9V2qH-8

[Anonymous No.5006051]

>>4998473
You are correct and not only for the virtual console, but for how they treated Wii U owners.

[Anonymous No.5006054]

>>4998915
>Everyone needs to calm down and realize that the entire US NES library, zipped is like 100 megs and the whole nointro collection of cartridge consoles is like 30 gigish. There's no way that data will ever be lost at this point in history
Yes, and that is only possible thanks to people that did what kiketendo deemed "illegal and wrong".
If we were to follow THEIR rules there would be no "no-intro" to speak of.

I don't give a fuck about emuparadise or isozone closing because I stopped using them years ago, but going after roms is still shit.

[Anonymous No.5006057]

>>4998071
They are going to make money off it. They are starting a 'netflix for games' service and they are starting off with NES games. That's why they have recently clamped down.

So they aren't acting out of capriciousness.

But I do agree it's a troubling sign. Downloadable ROMs are important for preservation purposes and for modding.

Nintendo may also be hurting themselves more than they help themselves because they have definitely benefited from good will that is generated when people play these old games.

[Anonymous No.5006058]

>>4999021
Copyright law should end with the creator's life.
That's it, even the kids should not bitch and moan and just do something else instead of riding on their parents' coat tails.

I repeat what I always say in these threads, Lovecraft has many works that are not under any copyright but it's not like I can't get enjoyment out of his former books just because someone can now publish Cthulhu fanfiction.

[Anonymous No.5006059]

>>4998071
An important point too is that Copyright is a government created concept and we are talking about 30+ year old games. Surely copyright expiry after 30 years is reasonable.

[Anonymous No.5006069]

So where is the logic in defending corporate interests here? How do I benefit from a company telling me that I'm not allowed to play my games anymore because I broke some contract, or my old game wore out (due to planned obsolescence)?

It's funny how vocal corporate defenders will cite the law being upheld as its own reward, yet they call regulations against anti-consumer practices "communism." Worse yet, they applauded Sony bankrupting Bleem!, for example, because they were "disrespecting copyright".

Now, I don't know about you guys, but I see no benefit in bending over so my rights can be destroyed.

[Anonymous No.5006070]

>>5006057
>Nintendo may also be hurting themselves more than they help themselves because they have definitely benefited from good will that is generated when people play these old games.
Holy shit this so much.
If roms weren't a thing Smash would be a 1/10th of what it is, for example, and people would judge nintendo games on their own merits instead of their history.

[Anonymous No.5006073]

>>5006069
It's unironically young and feeble 16 years old minds corrupted by years of cross-boarding ancap posting+adulescent normies that grew up on Steam cancer and defended paid mods.

I have been on 4chan since 2007 (not an oldfag but still) and I can definitely say that the demographics have changed a shitton, and for the worst.
As I grow older I find myself using other forums for actual discussion and sources, stopped using /v/ time ago when it became "/v/ - twitter with videogames" and only go on /m/, /vr/ and /toy/ because they manage to stay on topic, and I'm sure many other older posters do this too.

/blog

To turn to your other posts, you are correct in saying the country changes the attitude, I am from Italy and I completely agree with you, living in the UK now and I see people fucking paying for BBC garbage they don't even watch or sub-par Netflix that gets throttled to shit because their infrastructures are so basic.

[Anonymous No.5006078]

>>5006073
I hear you loud and clear. In regards to roms, I'm left with two options.

>pay nintendo to rent a rom that they can take away at any time, and which is non-transferrable (see: the 3DS/Wii/Wiiu/switch eshop selections and accounts).

OR

>download a rom of a game I liked from the internet, with no strings attached, and no expiration date. better yet, I can just make a backup copy without Nintendo's leash on it telling me what I can and can't do with it

If they want me to support them, they need to offer a competitive service, otherwise I'm just paying for a downgrade.

[Anonymous No.5006081]

>>5006069
Because if you don't support Nintendo's corporate interests, ((They)) will ruin your country and turn it into a liberal communist caliphate and gaming will suck forever. You're not some kinda fucking essjaydoubleuuu are you anon?

[Anonymous No.5006082]

>>5006069
>So where is the logic
It's emotions, anon.

[Anonymous No.5006114]

>>5006078
I agree completely. It's one thing that I want to buy DKC3, Earthbound or Summer Carnaval Recca 92 on my 3DS and use VC because it's basically plug and play but it's bullshit that if own a physical cartridge of Donkey Kong Country 3 and I want to emulate it on something else instead of playing it on my TV and console for some reason, I shouldn't be allowed to do that because Nintendo('s lawyers) tell(s) me it's illegal according to them. Why should that be a problem when it's perfectly fine to use MP3/FLAC instead of the CD or LP you bought somewhere or watch a movie or TV show on your computer or a tablet if you prefer that instead of using the original DVD or Bluray you bought and use that on an original player and television?

It feels more like legal abuse than defending a trademark or IP if you would ask me.

[Anonymous No.5006417]

>>5006073
>I have been on 4chan since 2007 (not an oldfag but still)

>29+ years old
>not an oldfag
pick 1 (one)

[Anonymous No.5006434]

>>4999669
>just not enough games
This is either a blatant lie or ignorance.

[Anonymous No.5006448]

>>4998289
>But virtual console doesn't exist anymore

It actually does. It is still live for Wii U and 3DS. And soon you'll get Switch Online where you "rent" games.

[Anonymous No.5006469]

I love Nintendo.

[Anonymous No.5006473]

>>5006434
Probably both. There's only been I think 8 Wii U titles ported so far too.

[Anonymous No.5006483]

>>4998290
Streets of Rage 4 just got announced lol

[Anonymous No.5006486]

>>5000769
>play the game you want in the way that the developer intended

half those developers are probably dying in a retirement home, or having a stroke in a cubicle by now

[Anonymous No.5006723]

>>5006114
>It feels more like legal abuse than defending a trademark or IP if you would ask me.

"legal abuse" is a good way to put it.

let's face it, nintendo is a profit-driven toy manufacturer. we shouldn't expect them to care a whole lot about fairness. they take this hardline legal stance because they see it as the most conducive to profits.

[Anonymous No.5006939]

>>5006417
I'm actually 30 but the point is that the old treshold for the oldfag "meme" from 4chan(back when lurk more was still a thing) was usually having been here since the inception, that kind of "walled" culture that only survives in /a/ and /jp/.

sage for /blog.
>>5006448
The Switch online comes with the usual trite NES roms that are not even 1 1000th of what was on Wii U and the old eshop, not to mention the convenience of being able to
>buy shit from eshop
>play
Instead of having to subscribe for roms(that were dumped by other people, nonetheless).

Not that I care because I won't be buying shit on a Switch any time soon but I had a Wii and a pretty good VC library that is basically useless by new Nintendo standards(maybe I wanted to play them in handheld Switch?) because fuck you that's why.
Which brings me to another point, trust.

After what they pulled with the Wii U and the 3DS eshop/account and lack of transfer between platforms like the old PSN, why should I trust Nintendo with my games since they seem so fickle and so prone to fuck with my purchases according to their whims?

I might buy a shitload of eshop games on the Switch and they'll be made useless by their next generation because they decided to change infrastructure AND console architecture another time, think of how screwed Wii U users were.

[Anonymous No.5007194]

>>5006939
I mean you can still play your old purchases on your old consoles. You just seem mad that you're not playing them on the hip new thing right now.

[Anonymous No.5008408]

>>5006939
>purchase
no, license.
>buy
no, rent.

[Anonymous No.5008449]

>>5004021
This, the concept of "property" is inherently based upon and dependent of scarcity.

[Anonymous No.5008468]

>>5007194
Because it's retarded that Nintendo doesn't have an account system where you can keep your games and transfer them. It's literally done so they can make you rebuy them.

[Anonymous No.5010197]

>>5007194
It's because the Switch is portable so it would be a good alternative.
The Wii U I don't care about because Wii VC games (or roms played via retroarch/genplus gx/snes9x) look best on CRT, but the switch would really benefit from a real virtual console, also >>5008468

Not that I *really* care, but it shows how greedy they are, not different from Sony stopping the PSN share thing going to PS4 and putting paid online in.

[Anonymous No.5010301]

>>4998071
Fucking F

[Anonymous No.5010310]

>>4998852
>and it's better to have helpless casuals putting their money into the industry
not anymore it isnt. the industry unironically needs to burn before it can stop being a contemptuous dumpster fire

[Anonymous No.5010779]

>>5008449
>This, the concept of "real word" is inherently based upon and dependent of what the voices in my head say. And it involves something called "zero coat"
Sounds legit

[Anonymous No.5011278]

>>5010301
it's still being developed tho, they're working on V2.0

[Anonymous No.5011316]

>>4991753
>there are people out there still buying nintendo products

Nintendo is an arrogant company that has been riding on nostalgia for the last 30 years, they believe they don't have to compete in their chosen industry and they demonstrate this by selling underpowered, overpriced and gimmicky game consoles with first party games that would have been considered mediocre shit if they were a new original IP in 2018 and not the tail end of a 35 year old franchise.
They literally sell a cardboard controller kit for Nintendo switch that lets you "build your own fun" for the low low price of $80 - and their fans ate that shit up on release.

[Anonymous No.5011329]

>>5011316
your just a fanboy shitposter
nintendo have not, don't, and will never do any wrong

[Anonymous No.5011338]

>>5002471
>Now you can say for instance that preserving access to old videogames isn't as important as literary works, to which I reply - fuck off and go back to sucking corporate cock.

This isn't an argument. Video games =/= the Western cannon.

[Anonymous No.5011342]

>>5011316
>They literally sell a cardboard controller kit for Nintendo switch that lets you "build your own fun" for the low low price of $80 - and their fans ate that shit up on release.

Everyone must remember, this is their AVERAGE consumer. They don't care about people who like old roms or are tech savvy. They do what they do to make money off their AVERAGE consumer. They took down ROMS because it was too easy for AVERAGE consumer to use them instead of buying from them. Nostalgia = cash and they want to try to limit your access to nostalgia unless you are writing a check to them to receive it.

They feel threatened when AVERAGE consumer buys a retropie box on craigslist for $100 when they could be selling AVERAGE consumer goods instead. They are out of touch with how pirates get their stuff, but that's OK. Be smarter than AVERAGE consumer and you will have free roms forever.

[Anonymous No.5011351]

>>5003210
Your argument was based around living in a thrird world impoverished nation, and then your rebuttals is about how you're "upper class", "white", and oh so successful.

>hueland "education"

[Anonymous No.5011354]

>>5003257
All of that still sounds better than the sprawling favela hellhole of Brazil.

If you aren't killing the planet by sawing down our rain forests, you're hosting massive violent riots over a .1 cent increase in bus fare.

Brazil is a failed state filled with failed people and America at its absolute worst is far preferable.

[Anonymous No.5011368]

>>5011354
how the fuck would you know the 20 cents riot if you weren't a bostizilian monkey yourself lmao

[Anonymous No.5011416]

>>4999674
>your imaginary boogeymen

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I wonder who could be behind this post...

[Anonymous No.5011448]

>>5011351
i live in a southern capital. large german, italian and polish communties. population is 80% white. cold climate. good neighbourhoods.

my blood is mostly german and italian. i have a bit of native american in me, too. so there's your chance to call me a nigger and other charitable things of the sort.

in fact my city is often called "a first world city in a third world country", i'm not making this up. favelas are more prominent in cities like são paulo and rio de janeiro. most people who live in favelas are black, and well, i'm not trying to be racist here, but that might be why they're so violent. aren't there black ghettoes in america too, and aren't the violence statistics higher in those ghettoes than they are in white american neighbourhoods? violence, whether in brazil or in america, is mostly a race problem. again: not trying to be racist here. just realistic. it is what it is.

things do tend to be more expensive in brazil, though. even if you're well off you still have to deal with the fact that everything is taxed to all hell, and therefore more costly: real estate, cars, laptops, iphones, books, video games. which is why "piracy" is rampant here (or, in less retarded words, brazilians are not as puritanical about copyright infringement as americans seem to be).

anyway, i take it back, america is cool, being a fucking american fatass is cool and bombing the shit out of the middle east decade after decade is the pinnacle of morality and civilization. god bless the usa.

[Anonymous No.5011459]

>>5011368
20 cents riots were an obvious false flag. the 15 de março protests were organic, though, and i took part in them. the mainstream media did its job of dispelling their effect, though: they reshaped the narrative by omitting all mention of "olavo de carvalho" and "foro de são paulo" and portraying the protests as an "anti-corruption" thing, which they very much were not. i was there, packed streets, millions of people in every brazilian capital, most of them explicitly opposing leftism and leftist parties.

the support for bolsonaro is huge. if they don't rig the elections he will most probably win. brazil is getting woke.

[Anonymous No.5011475]

>>5011338
all art, even lowbrow art, deserves to be preserved. you sound like a lawyer.

and anyway highbrow/lowbrow distinctions are to a great extent arbitrary. of course the ranking goes mozart symphony -> philip roth novel -> christopher nolan movie -> final fantasy 6, but they're all works of the imagination that are worth preserving.

to say that because of their lowbroness these artifacts should disappear, lest some gaming company's copyrights be infringed, well that sounds dickish, doesn't it? the law's grip on intellectual property is so tight that were it not for pirates, most games would be lost to time. it's a bad legal climate.

[Anonymous No.5011494]

>>5011459
Criança do 55chan / b

[Anonymous No.5011498]

>>5011494
Not an argument.

Sage for off-topic

[Anonymous No.5011501]

>>5011494
criança é o cu da sua mãe.

[Anonymous No.5011526]

This is now a white brazilian thread.

[Anonymous No.5011531]

>>5011448
>or, in less retarded words, brazilians are not as puritanical about copyright infringement as americans seem to be

Your government seems to be though. Even more so with all the tariffs on foreign media and goods.

[Anonymous No.5011536]

NOBODY CARES ABOUT YOUR SHITHOLE.

[Anonymous No.5011549]

>>5011531
look up the distinction between de jure laws and de facto laws. also, politicians everywhere in the world don't give a fuck about laws, as you should know, and brazilian politicians are no exception. the government only cares about "copyright infringement" insofar as it means that less taxable goods are being purchased when people pirate. the "concern" of a government over these matters is strictly parasitical. but of course, it is all veiled in moralistic talk.

also, as i have said before, brazil's current copyright laws were implemented under american pressure. america is reshaping the world in its own image.

[Anonymous No.5011550]

>>5011536
you seem to care a lot.

[Anonymous No.5011556]

>>5011550
I care about the board you're shitting up. Someone needs to put you monkeys in their place.

[Anonymous No.5011602]

the mod deleted a bunch of posts here, but to the american guy who was angry at me: sorry if i struck a nerve, dude. maybe someone in your family rides a "fatmobile" and you got offended at what i said, i don't know. i'm sorry. i'm not trying to dehumanize anyone here. people were talking shit about my country so i talked shit about theirs. have a good day.

[Anonymous No.5012442]

Why doesn’t Nintendo make a snes Netflix

[Anonymous No.5012445]

>>5011602
No problem friend it was all banter

[Anonymous No.5012458]

>>5012442
They dont own the rights to all snes games. Virtual console is your best bet.

[Anonymous No.5012904]

>>5011475
>the law's grip on intellectual property is so tight that were it not for pirates, most games would be lost to time. it's a bad legal climate.
This is exactly how I feel about it.

Hell Arcade games without the MAME project(and later emulation projects) would have ALL disappeared sans a couple of Street Fighter 2 cabinets and some Metal Slug, unless you count them existing in a few arcade cabinets in fucking Japan or American metropolis as "accessible".

[Anonymous No.5012931]

Torrented Mario Sunshine last week and got a cease/desist letter. I own the game, but it is scratched and unplayable. Nintendo hasn't re-released Sunshine since the original Gamecube release which was released 16 years ago. Idk why they do that instead of releasing it onto the VC or something.

[Anonymous No.5012936]

>>5011475
>philip roth novel

Found the jew.

[Anonymous No.5012937]

>>5012442
They will, eventually. That's the idea behind Switch Online.

[Anonymous No.5012946]

>>5012937
>>5012442
Vidya streaming is shit, and ironically enough retro games would make the problem worse by virtue of actually requiring good precise inputs.

They would be better off streaming slow ass games from 6th gen.

[Anonymous No.5012948]

>>5012946
The Switch Online won't be video streaming. You'd have to download the games you want to play. However, if you cancel your subscription you won't have access to the games anymore.

[Anonymous No.5013340]

>>5012904
It's funny watching poorfags blow smoke up each others ass while strutting their ignorance. I'm sorry you're so you and hick yo mama never took you to the white mall.

[Anonymous No.5013354]

>>5013340
I'm sorry you have a Gamestop in your bedroom; probably complete with shit toys that nobody cares about.