This guy. The living example of how the mighty fall. Do you know more people (/vr/ related of course) that used to make totally awesome games just to disappear and never make anything worthy again?

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Anonymous Fri Apr 19 20:05:15 2013 No.495138 [Reply] [Original]

This guy.

The living example of how the mighty fall.

Do you know more people (/vr/ related of course) that used to make totally awesome games just to disappear and never make anything worthy again?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 20:06:15 2013 No.495142 What is he doing these days, anyways?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 20:07:15 2013 No.495147 john carmack

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 20:09:15 2013 No.495164 Alexey Pajitnov made Tetris. After that he only made puzzle games that didn't even sell when they reminded people that the creator of Tetris made them.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 20:09:15 2013 No.495165 >>495162 *big parts of

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 20:09:45 2013 No.495162 >>495142 http://lootdrop.com/ It's truly sad isn't it? The guy who co-created ID software and made big parts Doom,Quake and Wolf3D now makes phone and facebook minigames.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 20:10:15 2013 No.495172 >>495162 Did Romero even contribute anything worthwhile to those games? I understood that Carmack did the bulk of the programming and real work.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 20:10:45 2013 No.495169 File: 270 KB, 768x1024, romero-wife.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>495138 Can you believe who he married?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 20:11:15 2013 No.495173 >>495164 >>495147 This.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 20:11:46 2013 No.495178 >>495172 >Did Romero even contribute anything worthwhile to those games? My jimmies!

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 20:12:45 2013 No.495183 >>495169 Is what? His 3rd wife?

Anonymous Fri Apr 19 20:12:45 2013 No.495186

>>495164
Although to be fair, part of his shit was that he was literally in Soviet Russia when he made the game. He's done okay since then. Obviously not the billionaire he deserves to be, but he's not homeless or anything.

>>495138
Daikatana. Is it as bad as the rep? Thing was, he was an egotistical jerk and ended up not delivering on that game.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 20:14:15 2013 No.495192 >>495169 Am I supposed to be impressed or mortified? She looks okay for a middle-aged woman.

Anonymous Fri Apr 19 20:15:45 2013 No.495195

>>495186
>Although to be fair, part of his shit was that he was literally in Soviet Russia when he made the game. He's done okay since then. Obviously not the billionaire he deserves to be, but he's not homeless or anything.
same shit luck as the creator of the ak-47 as far as i know

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 20:15:45 2013 No.495201 >>495172 John Carmack brought tacos to Robin Williams and Trent Reznor. Learn your fucking history.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 20:16:45 2013 No.495204 >>495192 >She looks okay for a middle-aged woman. Are you fucking kidding me? You must have such low standards, I bet you get laid all the time.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 20:17:15 2013 No.495209 File: 19 KB, 220x330, Eric Chahi.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>495138 This guy. This fucking guy!

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 20:17:46 2013 No.495213 >>495192 That "woman" looks like a guy who got himself a sex change and breast implants

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 20:18:15 2013 No.495219 >>495209 I was about to post him.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 20:18:45 2013 No.495215 >>495195 Similar horrible life for Leon Theremin, the creator of the Theremin electromagnetic instrument. Toured around the world for a bit with Clara Rockmore, then went back to Soviet Russia for 50 odd years, forced to work for the KGB.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 20:18:45 2013 No.495217 >>495209 Best example.

Anonymous Fri Apr 19 20:20:15 2013 No.495229 [DELETED]

>>495169
>>495204
>>495213
I mean, maybe she has a nice personality or sucks a mean cock or something. When you get into your 40s, not every woman looks like Sasha Gray or whatever.

I understand that I should have expected 0/10 would not bang. I'm just saying, people out there in the world get together who are not fucking supermodels or whatever.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 20:20:45 2013 No.495228 Inafune But he's admitted on several occasions he hates his work so it makes sense

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 20:22:15 2013 No.495231 >>495228 >But he's admitted on several occasions he hates his work so it makes sense Really? Tell me more.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 20:22:45 2013 No.495234 >>495209 >>495217 >>495219 Jesus, have you guys played From Dust? It was a legit good game with some interesting ideas. He's constantly giving talks and advice to the younger generation, he doesn't have an ego like Carmack. He's a good guy.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 20:22:45 2013 No.495235 File: 10 KB, 137x130, mfw3.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>495229 >using sasha gray as the standard of beauty

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 20:23:16 2013 No.495240 File: 17 KB, 270x405, Will_Wright1_400x600_270x405.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 20:24:15 2013 No.495249 This thread is depressing. >>495243 Fuck off molyneux,no one really gives a shit about your stupid cube.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 20:24:45 2013 No.495243 File: 74 KB, 463x372, Peter Molyneux.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] "Hey guys. Remember the time I made a ton of promises there was no way I could ever deliver on and made everyone sour and disappointed?"

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 20:26:45 2013 No.495254 >>495243 I really enjoyed B&W. But yeah,molyneux lives from the hype.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 20:27:45 2013 No.495263 >>495138 he became mexican

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 20:30:45 2013 No.495281 >>495240 I feel sorry for him. He might be a millionaire, sure, but I always get the sense seeing him in post Spore interviews that EA dickery and internal politics that all but ruined his dream project has made him a hollow shell of a man.

Anonymous Fri Apr 19 20:33:15 2013 No.495302

>>495249
Everything he worked on at Bullfrog was gold.
Black&White wasn't that bad and Fable wouldn't have been viewed as such a disappointment had it featured at least half of what he hinted at.
Here's hoping 22Cans will get him back on track, but I'm not holding my breath.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 20:37:15 2013 No.495319 >>495302 Fable is okay. I was lucky in that I played the game without hearing any of the hype. Now that I've heard the hype, I mean it certainly doesn't live up to the hype, but it's still OK.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 20:37:45 2013 No.495321 every company owned under ea

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 20:37:45 2013 No.495326 >>495243 Yes. I remember every single one, and I hate you for it. >>495240 That goes for you on Spore too. >>495235 Except that she's legit beautiful if you've ever seen her outside of a porn film

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 20:39:15 2013 No.495346 >>495302 Sometimes I remember bullfrog and I feel sad.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 20:46:45 2013 No.495376 >>495229 >When you get into your 40s, not every woman looks like Sasha Gray or whatever That's why you date 20 yos ;)

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 20:49:15 2013 No.495389 File: 3 KB, 110x61, logo.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Not one person in particular, but this publisher sure fell hard.

Anonymous Fri Apr 19 20:49:15 2013 No.495393 [DELETED]

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>>495326
Yeah, Sasha isn't ugly by any means and even given her ill advised, though somewhat understandable given her desire to change careers pretension of being an intellectual, she doesn't come off as a bad person. Hell, thanks to documentaries on the subject such as twilight of the porn stars, you clearly get the sense that all walks of life partake in the industry and just assuming that these are all dumb and rotten people by default is kind of bigoted.
Sage for being off topic.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 20:49:15 2013 No.495394 >>495376 >;)

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 20:53:15 2013 No.495419 >>495169 That's a man baby

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 20:54:15 2013 No.495423 File: 6 KB, 203x152, 1362292309388.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] This nigga. Although I doubt the "never make anything worthy again" part - it just won't be veejya.

Anonymous Fri Apr 19 20:54:16 2013 No.495424
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>>495376
30 yos insecure about their age are the best.
Sexually experienced, eager to please, if you can keep from committing to one you have a powerful fuck buddy willing to try and do kinky things not even you have dreamed of.

>>495389
But the key people behind it are at least trying their best to make up for it. Pic related.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 20:57:15 2013 No.495441 >>495393 https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=dead+porn+stars&oq=dead+porn+stars&gs_l=youtube.3...478177.481749.0.481915.19.17.2.0.0.0.219.1386.11j4j1.16.0...0.0...1ac.1.xefCc98lF7M >Dumb and rotten? >No, just broken.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 20:58:45 2013 No.495447 >>495389 >tfw their latest "big seller" is an iphone game about cats

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 21:00:45 2013 No.495457 File: 59 KB, 480x320, final-fantasy-creator-releases-ios-game_eetos_0.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] The guy behind FFIX and VI is making iOS shovelware now.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 21:00:45 2013 No.495459 >>495441 >>495393 Stop it. No one cares about your shitty taste in women. We are in a board about retro games. Go and talk in >>>/s/

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 21:02:15 2013 No.495474 >>495459 /s/ is for sexy, beautiful women only

Anonymous Fri Apr 19 21:06:15 2013 No.495495 [DELETED]

>>495441
You know, the fields with the highest suicide rate is Dentistry, Physicians and Marine engineers.
I also remember reading about a study recently that concluded that women in porn are on average healthier and happier than women in most other fields. It's just that the sob stories are played up in the media because these are people with semi-public lives and the fact that the industry used to be more darker and taboo.
And the human trafficking shit isn't even the same field, it just gets equated with porn by feminists with an agenda against the industry. That horrible shit goes on behind closed doors and isn't generally recorded and sold publicly.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 21:09:45 2013 No.495507 >>495495 >>495474 >>495441 >>495393 >Ruining a perfectly good thread with your stupid bullshit. We are really like /v/

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 21:10:45 2013 No.495512 >>495507 where's slayer when you need him?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 21:11:45 2013 No.495514 >>495507 We saged to indicate we were off topic and not trying to raise the bump counter. I have contributed more post on topic than off. That you draw so much attention to us is kind of making things worse. But I'll stop now.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 21:13:45 2013 No.495525 >>495514 This is not the place to talk about those topics. It doesn't matter if you sage your posts or not. Back in topic. I'm pretty sure that the true brain of ID was carmack,I don't know why everyone worships romero.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 21:13:46 2013 No.495521 >>495514 Using sage does not make it suddenly okay to make off-topic posts.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 21:16:45 2013 No.495530 >>495457 The entire company behind those games is making shovelware now.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 21:22:15 2013 No.495557 >>494286 Daikatana. Never Forget.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 21:25:45 2013 No.495569 >>495557 Oh jesus, that advertisement. The hubris is unbelievable. So...>>495186 >Daikatana. Is it as bad as the rep? ???

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 21:30:15 2013 No.495587 >>495569 I think that he somewhat changed. I don't know if its the age or the fact that he is not some kind of superstar now,but in recent interviews he seems more humble and cool.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 21:39:46 2013 No.495638 >>495424 You don't want to fuck 30 yo women since what they're trying to do in 90% of cases are getting a baby out ofyou

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 21:47:45 2013 No.495690 File: 13 KB, 360x283, 1366306645518.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Does anybody have that image comparing Romero's old girlfriend and his now wifey tranny?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 21:48:45 2013 No.495701 bump 4 more failure. Damn man,Romero was my hero when I was younger. Until >>495557

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 21:50:15 2013 No.495713 >>495638 underage b& detected

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 21:50:15 2013 No.495714 >>495569 >>495569 >So...>>495186 >>Daikatana. Is it as bad as the rep? >??? Anyone even played the damn thing?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 21:51:15 2013 No.495725 >>495713 enjoy your child support payments, faggot

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 21:55:45 2013 No.495748 >>495714 Yes. Stupid sidekicks with unexistant AI,bad scenarios. Frustrating as fuck. Try it for yourself. For PC:http://dk.toastednet.org/FPS_Legends/dk.html Don't even try to play it in N64.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 21:56:45 2013 No.495753 >>495748 Wasn't it released on N64 first? Hahaha.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 21:58:46 2013 No.495767 >>495753 No,the pc version was first. The N64 version was even more horrible than the PC version.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 22:02:15 2013 No.495794 >>495753 No, it was released slightly after

Anonymous Fri Apr 19 22:04:45 2013 No.495805

>>495714
I tried it once.

Kept crashing on a single screen that loaded the second part of the first level.
Turns out that it actually needed to be patched. Odd thing is that the N64 version starts off in a completely different spot compared to the PC version, something I haven't seen since DOOM II/64. Also of note is that it's available on GOG now for $10.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 22:08:15 2013 No.495832 File: 635 KB, 725x725, 1364160004574.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Just imagine what it would be like if they settled their differences and got back together

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 22:10:46 2013 No.495846 >>495832 Don't say that anon. You will make me cry of nostalgia ;_;

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 22:12:15 2013 No.495856 >>495832 Romero must be washed up by now. Carmack still makes some good technology though.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 22:12:46 2013 No.495861 >>495195 >same shit luck as the creator of the AK-47 So a decorated Russian lieutenant general and a successful entrepreneur?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 22:14:45 2013 No.495874 >>495856 Yeah but he does shit with that programming genius id Tech 5 might look good but RAGE was almost as bad as Daikatana

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 22:17:16 2013 No.495889 >>495164 He also made Hexic Yeah nobody paid for Hexic but hell, it was addicting as fuck

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 22:22:16 2013 No.495912 Gariot. Spector. Bitmap Bros.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 22:29:45 2013 No.495948 >>495912 >Bitmap Bros oh shit, all my feels. All dem beautiful Amiga/PC games.

Anonymous Fri Apr 19 22:42:15 2013 No.496030

>>495874
What he and ID needs to do is to get their heads out of the Quake II/Doom 3 era and start doing more wondrous, less brown 'n bloom things with that technology.
Carmack was/is a giant Mario Bros. fan. Why not make a next gen ID tech platformer? Hell, might even invent a new deathmatch multiplayer experience while at it.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 22:43:15 2013 No.496038 >>495874 Almost as bad? Rage was worse than Daikatana. Far worse.

Anonymous Fri Apr 19 22:44:45 2013 No.496046

>>496038
>>495874

Rage was not that bad.

The ambientation was excellent IMO and the enemies were well designed,also the events with buggies were fun.

The story sucked dick yeah,but it wasn't that bad.

I played it in X360.I heard that the PC version was shit.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 22:46:46 2013 No.496064 >>496046 >the story sucked dick, but it wasn't that bad. Wait, what?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 22:48:45 2013 No.496072 >>496064 The game wasn't that bad,the story was horrible. Even when I admit that I had far higher expectatives. Maybe that is the problem with all the people who thinks that rage sucks.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 22:49:45 2013 No.496078 >>496030 I think a platformer from id would be far-fetched in this day and age. Optimizing engines for first person shooters seems like Carmack's strength.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 22:49:45 2013 No.496079 >>496072 Oh, okay. I thought you were just talking about the story with that line.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 22:54:45 2013 No.496112 File: 73 KB, 402x302, 1309702673051.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] #rare and #collectible interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQMtVbz_JuE

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>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 23:00:15 2013 No.496130 File: 8 KB, 259x194, Fred Ford and Paul Reiche III.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I still worship these two faggots.

Anonymous Fri Apr 19 23:01:46 2013 No.496132

>>495162
they may not be the panicle of gaming, but facebook games are popular these days and a lot of times (although they most of the time have annoying systems that bug to pay for things and add more friends) are pretty similar to old school games. Also, for a facebook game, that ghost recon spinoff game they made looks pretty impressive to be honest.

Anonymous Fri Apr 19 23:01:46 2013 No.496134
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>>496118
Nigga I just went full nostalgia.

I don't understand why people like the ones ITT stops making games.

If they have both talent and money...why they don't make new games or sequels of their already famous franchises.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 23:02:15 2013 No.496136 >>495172 Romero made the best levels in quake 2, all of episode 2. he was a level designer on doom 2 and made most of the levels in doom (which unarguably has the better levels of the two id doom games)

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 23:04:45 2013 No.496139 Dude Imagine an Id style platforming shooter. Like, Contra as told by Id. Huge burly guys, lots of guns and bullets, and explosions.

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>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 23:06:45 2013 No.496150 I went on Romero's website once, he admits the N64 verison of Daikatana is bad but still defends the PC version.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 23:07:45 2013 No.496153 >>495178 >>495201 neither of those posts answer his question at all, why don't you just post facts (if you have them) rather than being like "ooo my jimmies they are rustled", just getting mad never helps anyone

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 23:07:45 2013 No.496154 >>496140 btw What happened with adrian carmack? >>496150 Then he must be truly retarded. I always liked Carmack (John) more.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 23:08:45 2013 No.496161 >>496153 see >>496136 Also he practically invented the "deathmatch" mode.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 23:09:45 2013 No.496163 >>495164 didn't he make pipe dreams as well? I remember that being moderately popular

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 23:11:46 2013 No.496170 File: 2 KB, 85x120, Andrew Greenberg.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>495138 Nobody knows who this is.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 23:12:46 2013 No.496174 >>496161 I forgot to put the autoupdate thing on... (why hasn't this been changed so that you can set it by default yet?) so I didn't see his post

Anonymous Fri Apr 19 23:12:46 2013 No.496175
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>>496136
>>496153

He also basically made all of Knee Deep in the Dead and recruited both Carmacks and Hall to id, also general programming and design for everything id made until he left them.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 23:13:15 2013 No.496178 >>496175 >>496175 >He also basically made all of Knee Deep in the Dead Fuck I'm retarded, he designed all of original Doom Bottom line, he was kind of a big deal

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 23:15:45 2013 No.496186 >>496134 probably because the entire gaming industry culture has changed dramatically since their day

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 23:18:16 2013 No.496197 >>496178 Actually you're right, Romero did Episode 1. The rest of Doom after Episode 1 was a spattering of Tom and Sandy, with the occasional Romero.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 23:18:16 2013 No.496198 >>496170 Who is he?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 23:18:46 2013 No.496195 >>496186 And what? That's something called innovation. Carmack made great games like doom 3 and 3D realms made Prey (fuck DNF). That's not a good excuse

Anonymous Fri Apr 19 23:19:16 2013 No.496203

>>496078
>Optimizing engines for first person shooters seems like Carmack's strength.

It's certainly his comfort zone but judging by ID's recent efforts I'd say it's high time they step out of it and attempt something else.
Doesn't have to be a platformer, just something they haven't done before.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 23:21:45 2013 No.496214 >>496170 Andrew Greenberg, one of the co-creators of Wizardry. Now he's ... a lawyer :/ That franchise fell into a legal-shitstorm-quagmire and eventually got bought by some Japanese company in the aftermath.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 23:22:15 2013 No.496216 >>496170 >Disney will never use the Avengers money to make System Shock 3... Where's that future Kstarter for not-DeusEx?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 23:22:45 2013 No.496217 File: 402 KB, 800x800, Warren-Spector.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] You know it's true Also, i would say Molyneux, but now that i think about it, he never made a good game, he is just a faggot with a gigantic ego.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 23:23:15 2013 No.496220 >>495169 She's a 4/10 in looks. But a 10/10 in game design skills. I'd have married her, too.

Anonymous Fri Apr 19 23:24:45 2013 No.496230

>>496175
Well, Carmack programmed significantly more than Romero, when you consider he pioneered the big draw to Commander Keen, Wolfenstein, Doom, Quake, and Rage.
(for Keen, it was "adaptive tile refresh," or redrawing only tiles that have changed since the last time the screen drawn.
For Wolf, it was popularizing raycasting.
For Doom, it was improved raycasting using techniques like blockmapping and binary search partition trees.
For Quake, it was surface caching (an essential part of full polygonal 3D), improved binary search partition trees, fast enough netcode to be playable online (previous ones could only really be played over LAN), heavy modding support...
And for RAGE, it was huuuuuge extensive showcasing of what was possible with OpenGL (Developers recently have been starting to use DirectX strictly. Windows 8 is an example.)

He's still working at it too. Go Google for "sparse voxel octrees". (Funny thing: Notch himself said that SVO wouldn't take off. Now go Google it.)

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 23:25:15 2013 No.496231 >>495240 Spore wasn't his fault, it was mostly EA ruining the project.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 23:26:45 2013 No.496245 >>496154 He left id after Doom 3 and now he makes art i guess.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 23:28:15 2013 No.496256 >>496230 Actually... Michael Abrash is to thank for most of the concepts that John Carmack put into practice. He was pretty much Carmack's mentor

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 23:30:45 2013 No.496267 >>496256 Thank god he is working now at Valve, Source 2 is in good hands now.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 23:31:15 2013 No.496274 >>496195 you comment doesn't even make any sense, what exactly does Doom 3 or Prey have to do with the modern mindset of the gaming industry?

Anonymous Fri Apr 19 23:32:45 2013 No.496275
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>>496267

Source's problems had nothing to do with graphics...

Play Spy in TF2 and you'll see what I mean.

>see Heavy standing still eating a sandvich
>go up to him, looking directly as his back
>M1
>no backstab

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 23:33:15 2013 No.496279 >>496267 Oh man, I can't wait to see Source 2.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 23:39:15 2013 No.496312 File: 158 KB, 600x800, brian-reynolds-1276122794.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Another one lost to the mobile gaming black hole.

Anonymous Fri Apr 19 23:40:16 2013 No.496324

>>496274
I was trying to make the point that "old" people like carmack (and all ID) or "old" companies like 3D realms did good games in the past and can make good games now.

I'm sure that people like Romero,Wright Mechner,Pajitnov and even Molyneux can make good games NOW.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 23:43:16 2013 No.496341 >>496324 Pajitnov got lucky with Tetris.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 23:47:15 2013 No.496358 >>496324 Pajitnov is a fucking billionarie at this point, he doesn't need to make games forever.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 23:57:45 2013 No.496405 >>496217 >he never made a good game Black & White 1 Fable The Lost Chapters

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 23:58:45 2013 No.496410 >>496358 Forever? How many games besides tetris and hexic he made?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 00:17:46 2013 No.496525 >>496410 Welltris and some fish tank... thing. The thing is, he still gets a lot of money from Tetris, so he doesn't need to do anything anymore.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 00:20:45 2013 No.496553 >>496217 >Also, i would say Molyneux, but now that i think about it, he never made a good game I would expect this kind of ignorance from /v/

Anonymous Sat Apr 20 00:24:45 2013 No.496585

>>495178
Romero was mostly a level designer and idea guy, he's responsible for most of the maps in that expansion chapter of Doom 1 - "Thy Flesh Consumed" and I believe the first chapter of Quake.

He's responsible for giving Quake 1 a gothic/medieval theme rather than the generic sci-fi metallic corridors they were aiming for, and eventually did create for Quake 2.
I'm not downplaying the guy but he's mostly a designer, not an artist or programmer.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 00:27:45 2013 No.496606 >>496405 I fucking enjoyed B&W. Too bad that Molyneux now have shit ideas like that cube.

>>	PHG !bp4ntybF0M Sat Apr 20 00:28:15 2013 No.496612 I miss Kouji Okada

Anonymous Sat Apr 20 00:30:46 2013 No.496628

>>496585
I wonder if he is sad or something about how his professional life is going.

Watching who used to be your best pal running the company that you co-created making tons of money with doom 3 and just money with rage while you make simple mobile games must be hard.

I know that he doesn't hates ID because every year he writes a little blog entry wishing them happy "birthday",but anyway...

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 00:38:15 2013 No.496687 lord british is just gone. might as well call him lord blackthorn now e-begging for a f2p cash grab project is the last straw

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 01:03:42 2013 No.496841 >>496687 Lord british is not working in anything new?

Anonymous Sat Apr 20 05:10:43 2013 No.498083

>>496197

He also did E4M2 and E4M6. The two best levels of Thy Flesh Consumed and (IMO) the two best levels of Doom.

E1 is arguably the most popular of the Episodes, however. I might not agree (E4 is my fav) but E1 is without a doubt the most even of the episodes.

His Doom 2 credits are pretty good too.

MAP11 Circle of Death / O' of Destruction is a great map.

MAP26 Abandoned Mines is great too.

MAP29 The Living End is epic.

I'd also like to say that yeah, John Romero has fallen and he's fallen far, but Daikatana (his towering failure) was not as bad as everyone made it out to be. BUT the first episode, which was everyone's initial impression of the game, was pretty crap. However E2 and E3 were great. E4 was a step back again, however.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 05:22:12 2013 No.498123 >>495569 >Daikatana. Is it as bad as the rep? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jd33PFFCLII Judge for yourself.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 05:26:13 2013 No.498135 The only game Romero truly spearheaded is Daikatana which is, well, shit. ID software is failing because Carmack is the only worthwhile name there.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 05:32:42 2013 No.498156 >>496154 >What happened with adrian carmack? I think there was some disagreement and he left leave the company. He also took some legal action because he felt he didn't get adequately recompensed for his stock

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 05:33:12 2013 No.498160 >>498083 looking back at these levels, it's safe to say doom is one of the earlier examples of emotionally evocative level design and game play.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 05:42:42 2013 No.498196 >>495138 >>495162 there are plenty of examples. founders of westwood are now making facebook and mobile games respectively.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 05:47:12 2013 No.498217 So mobile games is where good devs go to die. Or to rot, if we assume that being assigned to a mobile division is death.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 05:50:42 2013 No.498239 >>498217 No, that's not fair to say. They go their to sustain themselves. They can't go elsewhere.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 05:51:42 2013 No.498248 >>498217 i think its a good place to make money... But yeah, they dont' reach the same acclaim as the modern day popular shooters such as Halo or CoD.

Anonymous Sat Apr 20 06:10:42 2013 No.498309

>>495714
Honestly, it's mediocre. It's not nearly as bad as its rep (full retard AI companions and the fucking swamp being the biggest flaws), it was a perfectly decent shooter for its time.

It's just that the aggressive marketing combined with the release schedule fuck-ups led to such extreme hype that Romero and Daikatana got utterly shat on when he didn't fully deliver.

Honestly, if he had delivered, the man would be (even more of a) legend by now.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 06:13:12 2013 No.498318 >>495912 If Garriott re-made pre-Trammel UO he could have all of my fucking money.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 08:54:42 2013 No.498678 >>496195 >fuck DNF It's a HL2 clone made in six months by a team of ex 3D Realms employees working in someone's house. Considering all this I would say it's quite decent... Not the Duke we all know and love, but still, it gets too much hate.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 09:28:43 2013 No.498754 Cliffy B Absolutely nothing after 2004.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 10:28:12 2013 No.498885 File: 134 KB, 400x300, fantasyworlddizzytitle.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] The Oliver Twins come immediately to mind.

Anonymous Sat Apr 20 10:32:12 2013 No.498901

>>498309

I actually thought the game was fairly good. The the story is absolutely pants-on-head retarded, but I guess who cares. I feel like if it wasn't for the schedule and marketing blunders it would've been a totally different scenario with Daikatana. Having said that I know most other people who played it still maintain it's just a shit game.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 10:37:42 2013 No.498920 >>495164 >Alexey Pajitnov This guy got royally fucked in the ass. He made Tetris, but since he was in the Soviet Union he didnt own any rights to it, the state did so he didnt make a dime. All those NES and other ports? not a single cent for him.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 10:40:12 2013 No.498930 >>498920 Now every time someone plays tetris in the internet he gets paid. He is billionaire now.

Anonymous Sat Apr 20 10:42:12 2013 No.498934

>>498920
I don't know how it was with games in the Soviet Union, but with novels, you were paid upfront on the understanding that every copy would sell--meaning you were paid a lot. I always assumed it was the same with games, but I guess that's not the case?

Anonymous Sat Apr 20 10:46:42 2013 No.498948

>>498934
The problem is that he made tetris using a computer of the soviet academy of sciences.

I think that is actually kinda fair that the soviet union retained the rights,he was using a computer that was not owned by him in a place where his work was to program other things that games.

I don't want to initiate a political debate,but I think that pajitnov played the "victim" game for a long time when he knew that he was not doing the "correct" thing in his job.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 11:30:12 2013 No.499123 bump

Anonymous Sat Apr 20 11:52:43 2013 No.499214

It is strange how almost all the significant developers of the 80s and 90s have either left the industry, do mobile/social media games or re-live their past glories by re-releasing or rehashing their old games (possibly on mobile platforms). Team17 hasn't done anything in over ten years except remake their old games.

Sure the industry has changed, but there's no magical force preventing all these guys from staying in the game. As far as I know.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 11:55:42 2013 No.499220 >>499214 Along these lines, Lord British has a 'starter up for a new Ultima game.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 11:59:12 2013 No.499237 >>499220 Isn't Richard Garriott a rich guy? Why does he need a 'starter to do anything?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 12:02:12 2013 No.499245 File: 68 KB, 620x799, 160366-240680-156pxRarewareLogoOldjpg-620x.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 12:04:12 2013 No.499257 >>499237 I believe that he's comfortably well off, but not to the extent that he can make a game from the cash he has. I could be wrong, though.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 12:05:42 2013 No.499260 >>499237 He want's money.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 12:07:12 2013 No.499271 >>499245 >you will never get a new Killer Instinct ;_;

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 12:10:42 2013 No.499283 >>499271 >>499245 Microsoft is a bitch isn't it?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 12:13:13 2013 No.499296 >>499245 It's amazing how those guys were the king of 3D gaming and suddenly bam dead Did you know that Timesplitters games ran on the Goldeneye/PD engine? If Rare stayed with Nintendo, Timesplitters would have been a Rare franchise

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 12:14:12 2013 No.499305 >>499296 It'a amazing how ID used to be the fucking GOD of FPS. Now they make things like Rage.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 12:18:12 2013 No.499320 I swear to god Shigeru Miyamoto should've retired ten years ago.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 12:20:42 2013 No.499329 >>499320 Nah. He is still useful to the industry. Unlike...Molyneux.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 12:21:12 2013 No.499336 >>499320 >LM2 is awesome >Pikmin 3 will probably be I want Paper Mario fanboys to leave

Anonymous Sat Apr 20 12:25:43 2013 No.499354

>>496217
I feel kind of sorry for Spector. He had a bunch of great ideas for both Epic Mickey games that got shot down by Disney.

Similarly, they made him port the initially Wii exclusive Epic Mickey 2 to every other platform under the sun, and all those ports were shit, because the game was built around the Wii's controls.

While I do agree he's not as good as he used to be, his last two games, at least, can be attributed to factors beyond the scope of Junction Point.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 12:27:12 2013 No.499373 >>499336 How did you know

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 12:28:42 2013 No.499382 >>496214 >That franchise fell into a legal-shitstorm-quagmire and eventually got bought by some Japanese company in the aftermath. Somewhat explains why he'd want to be a lawyer.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 12:29:12 2013 No.499384 >>498885 The last game I recall seeing them credited for was some above-average (but still pretty bad) Spongebob game for the Wii. That says it all, really.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 12:33:42 2013 No.499396 >>496214 Worth asking - did the Japanese franchise owners actually do anything with Wizardry other than release (Japan only) remakes of the original games on cellphones?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 12:36:12 2013 No.499412 >>499396 See Wizardry Online

Anonymous Sat Apr 20 12:36:42 2013 No.499408

>>496217
dude, the man practically shat gold during his bullfrog years

nothing he's done after has measured up to that period though, i still have no idea what people saw in black & white and i bought that game at launch

and now he seems more interested in "delivering experiences" than making video games

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 12:40:42 2013 No.499427 >>499257 More like, no point in making a game that nobody wants. KStarter is a good way to see if people are still interested.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 12:40:42 2013 No.499428 >>499408 >I still have no idea what people saw in black & white The idea of being a god (with 3D graphics) and decide to be good or bad. Also,the creature.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 12:42:12 2013 No.499434 >>499412 A Pay2Win MMO with permadeath? I envy the sacks of money they no doubt get.

Anonymous Sat Apr 20 13:01:42 2013 No.499531 [DELETED]

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Yoshiki Okamoto
producer of street fighter 2 and other goat capcom fighters

he left the company to form games republic but all of their games flopped. they went from genjito clash of the titans.
http://www.gamefaqs.com/features/company/75341.html

now it's just him and some shovelware games

Anonymous Sat Apr 20 13:03:42 2013 No.499541
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Yoshiki Okamoto
producer of street fighter 2 and other goat capcom fighters

he left the company to form games republic but all of their games flopped. they went from genji to clash of the titans.
http://www.gamefaqs.com/features/company/75341.html

now it's just him and some shovelware games

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 13:31:42 2013 No.499724 File: 16 KB, 210x259, Jazz_Jackrabbit.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Dammit Cliffy, I just want another Jazz Jackrabbit, not a god-awful Gears of War prequel!

Anonymous Sat Apr 20 13:45:42 2013 No.499812

>>495147
I hope you're trolling. Carmack is the technical director of ID. Do you know what a job like technical directory entails? He's not the man responsible for the gameplay, direction, art, etc. he works on the engine tech.

Speaking of which the latest ID tech engine is a beast. It's the entire reason Zenimax bought ID. Should DDOM4 fail they're just going to strip ID down to brass tacks and have them refocus on engine tech development.

tl;dr: John Carmark is not a game designer. He's an engine tech developer.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 13:53:12 2013 No.499867 >>499812 Yeah,but he was involved in the development of Rage too. And the game sucked ass. Besides,how many games use/will use the ID Tech 5 anyway? AFAIK only Rage and a bethesda (to be released) game that I don't remember the name use it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 14:17:12 2013 No.500008 >>495263 He is half-mexican.

Anonymous Sat Apr 20 14:20:12 2013 No.500029
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How about Yuji Naka, the man behind Sonic and NiGHTS?

Just what happened to him? You would think that going independent with Probe would give him more freedom to make more quality games. Now he only makes random DS/iOS games.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 14:20:43 2013 No.500027 >>496136 >Romero made the best levels in quake 2 You mean Doom II, right? Romero left id during Quake's development.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 14:22:42 2013 No.500039 >>499541 I mean, the street fighter games are some of the worst fighters I've ever played, so...

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 14:23:42 2013 No.500042 >>500039 You mean the first SF game right? If you mean all the SF games...then fuck you!

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 14:24:42 2013 No.500053 File: 71 KB, 500x328, yu_suzuki6.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >Ryo will never avenge his father's death. ;-;

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 14:26:42 2013 No.500065 >>499867 Kinda sad how id's new engines are no longer as popular and widely licensed as they once were.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 14:28:12 2013 No.500080 >>499296 Free Radical was already formed by ex-GoldenEye developers well before Microsoft bought Rare. TimeSplitters was a PS2 launch game.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 14:30:12 2013 No.500097 >>499329 >Molyneux. hey now, Molyneux has brought to iOS the greatest floating-cube-tapping simulator ever to exist.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 14:38:42 2013 No.500160 >>499320 He works now as an adviser for most all Nintendo games, like other masters of their crafts.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 14:38:42 2013 No.500162 >>500097 That's one of the many reasons why molyneux is a worthless faget.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 14:39:42 2013 No.500168 >>500042 Unfortunately I do. I dislike their clunky feel.

Anonymous Sat Apr 20 14:42:42 2013 No.500181

>>499867
>>500065
He was involved with RAGE development insofar as he designed the engine it ran on.

Zenimax has stated that the ID tech 5 engine will not be licensed to any third party developers. It will only be licensed to second party developers owned by Zenimax. So to answer your question, any game dev owned by Zenimax that wants to use it. Keep in mind the ID tech 5 engine almost needs some kind of cloud backend to stream out texture data, that way they can keep textures uncompressed, or at least less compressed, which was the major problem with RAGE, even though the texture data was like 25GB (uncompressed they were 1TB)

tl; dr: John Carmark is not a game designer. Only Zenimax companies can use ID tech 5. And you will not see the true potential of ID tech 5 until the next gen consoles launch.

Anonymous Sat Apr 20 14:46:12 2013 No.500217

>>500181
And what?

They will wait 3-4 years more to make truly worthy ID tech 5 games?

You need to admit that ID and carmack are not what they used to be.

Every time ID launched a game it was total madness,everyone was talking about.

Now with rage and ID tech 5,the first was just "good" IMO and the last we don't even know if they are doing games that use it.

Anonymous Sat Apr 20 14:48:42 2013 No.500230

>>496585
Quake 2 was just Carmack's "fuck you" to Romero and Adrian Carmack for not letting him create another sci-fi shooter (Romero put the medieval stuff on Quake and Adrian Carmack put some Lovecraftian elements into the game).

Still, i liked Quake 2, but Quake 1 has such an strange feeling to it, that i like it more.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 14:49:13 2013 No.500236 >>498920 He got the rights back in 1996, now he is a billionarie.

Anonymous Sat Apr 20 14:50:13 2013 No.500238
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Not one person, but I'm sure there are plenty of Silent Hill fans still mourning the loss of Team Silent nearly a decade after Konami broke it up.

Akira Yamaoka stuck around for a while longer but now he's making cheesy J-rock for Suda 51.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 14:50:13 2013 No.500247 >>499320 This. We got crap like Starfox Adventures thanks to him.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 14:51:43 2013 No.500251 >>499724 If they make a new Jazz Jackrabbit it will probably be a simplified and crappy game like NSMB.

Anonymous Sat Apr 20 14:53:12 2013 No.500263

>>500217
I'll grant you that id has gone to shit. Carmack on the other hand is a much better programming now then he has ever been in the past. Problem is he is one man. Video games today take more than three dudes working evenings out of an apartment. His contributions to any given project are much harder to quantify, at least from an end user standpoint.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 14:53:43 2013 No.500259 >>500247 Star Fox Adventures was good, though.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 14:54:12 2013 No.500267 >>500181 The new Shinji Mikami game will use ID Tech 5, and it will be released for next gen consoles, i hope that shows the true potential of the engine.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 14:55:42 2013 No.500272 >>500251 >implying NSMB is any more simplified than NES Mario games If anything they're a tad bit more complex due to the sheer number of (mostly useless thanks to the stage design) moves Mario has.

Anonymous Sat Apr 20 14:55:42 2013 No.500274

Guys.

THe reason all these great developers aren't making amazing games anymore is because most vidya publishers are publicly owned companies who have to answer to their shareholders, whose only motivation is profit. Publishers don't want to take financial risks on innovative or untried games. This is why we have Final Fantasy 13-X and why Cavia was dissolved after making Nier.

Making iOS/shovelware is the only pretty much guaranteed way to make money these days if you're a developer. It's a sad state of affairs.

Anonymous Sat Apr 20 14:56:13 2013 No.500281

>>500259
I think most people are upset over the fact it used to be an original game, but Miyamoto requested Rare put Starfox characters in it instead.

Funny thing is, nobody seemed to care until Intelligent Systems took Miyamoto's advice for Paper Mario Sticker Star.

Anonymous Sat Apr 20 14:56:13 2013 No.500282

>>500267
Havn't heard of that particular game, and haven't really had to time keep up with this stuff, but I hope it does. Granted some of what I see in id tech 5 is extrapolation, ie being able to successfully stream texture data to multiple clients, but if a game could do that id tech 5 would be beautiful.

Anonymous Sat Apr 20 14:59:42 2013 No.500294
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The problem with id today is that 1) all of its legendary designers left over a decade ago, and 2) first-person shooters are no longer the jaw-dropping technical marvel that they once were in the 90s.

All they're left with is their legacy and Carmack's programming skills.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 15:02:42 2013 No.500312 >>500294 This. I believe you've well summarized all the points I was trying to make. Thank you anon.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 15:03:42 2013 No.500326 >>500294 Those guys need each other, specially Carmack and Romero.

Anonymous Sat Apr 20 15:05:42 2013 No.500345

>>500238
>Team Silent
R.I.P.

At least we got Silent Hill 1,2, & 3. All great games.

>Akira Yamaoka stuck around for a while longer
"Hey guys, I got a great idea, let's let the Silent Hill composer produce the 4th game, it'll turn out great."

At least him and Suda are doing semi-interesting stuff. Can't believe I preordered Lollipop Chainshit, though. I am a sucker.

Anonymous Sat Apr 20 15:10:42 2013 No.500384
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>>500274
Also the average game development budget is several orders of magnitude higher than it was 20-30 years ago.

The days of having a small team pour their hearts into a game that pushes the envelope and makes lots of money are long gone. The indie market is saturated with artsy 2D retro titles, but nothing that really looks ahead.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 15:12:42 2013 No.500403 >>500384 >saturated with artsy titles No it isn't. And it's hilarious how you think nothing exists between AAA and indie.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 15:13:42 2013 No.500413 >>500403 You mean those games that pretend to be 8-bit but the resolution and the colors make them look like 16-bit games instead?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 15:14:42 2013 No.500421 >>495249 >Fuck off molyneux,no one really gives a shit about your stupid cube. "Peter Molyneux has said that "what is inside the cube is life-changingly amazing by any definition". Fuck off Molyneux, seriously.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 15:16:12 2013 No.500431 >>500413 Very few games pretend to be 8bit titles. People start throwing those stupid terms around any time they see something pixelated. It's dumb.

Anonymous Sat Apr 20 15:16:13 2013 No.500439

>>500403
it might as well not in this current market. A lot of the companies in between the two are practically killing themselves from within trying to be one or the other.

Indeed, that's exactly how THQ died. They tried to compete with the AAA big-boys (Activision and EA), rather than sticking with the niche they'd found themselves in (making mid-range, low-to-mid budget titles that sold well enough to make a decent profit).

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 15:18:42 2013 No.500445 >>500345 >>500238 Team Silent is kind of a myth though. None of the games have very much staff in common except for Yamaoka.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 15:18:42 2013 No.500449 >>500439 Err, no. THQ died because of U-draw. They were doing fine publishing games.

Anonymous Sat Apr 20 15:20:42 2013 No.500467

>>500449
Because the massive commercial and critical failure that was Homefront wasn't an attempt to compete with the Triple A market that fell flat?

While U-Draw was a factor, quite a big one, in their eventual failure, it's far from the only reason they died.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 15:21:43 2013 No.500480 >>500445 The lead designers and directors remained more or less consistent. After SH2, Konami split the team into two groups to develop SH3 and SH4 concurrently (with most of SH2's lead staff working on the latter).

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 15:22:12 2013 No.500485 >>500467 And what about the rest of the games they published that did fine?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 15:28:12 2013 No.500554 >>500467 The only good thing about homefront was that dramatic introduction (one of the best I've ever seen) Everything else was shit.

Anonymous Sat Apr 20 15:35:13 2013 No.500616

>>500431
What people really are trying to say is that some element of the games art direction or design is reminiscent of 8 bit video games. What's stupid is when people start complaining that the game is doing things that an 8 bit console couldn't do, while running on hardware that is many orders of magnitude more powerful.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 15:35:43 2013 No.500623 >>500053 ;_;

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 15:37:42 2013 No.500645 >>500554 Probabbly why I didn't like it. Played the demo, and I don't remember getting any kind of intro. Just dumped in.

Anonymous Sat Apr 20 15:38:42 2013 No.500657

>>500616

I guess. Taking cues from older titles, be it in graphical design or game design isn't inherently a bad thing.

And yes, that second point is stupid. Graphics are one thing, but does anyone really think that, say, Capcom WANTED slowdown/flickering in the NES mega man games?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 15:48:42 2013 No.500745 >>500657 Yes, or flickering bullets in Contra? There's no much point in arguing that those are design choices.

Anonymous Sat Apr 20 16:50:42 2013 No.501240

>>496132
>and a lot of times (although they most of the time have annoying systems that bug to pay for things and add more friends) are pretty similar to old school games.

Fucking this, if any of you are truly interested in Romero and Carmack, read Masters Of Doom, it chronicles their entire careers up until Doom 3.

Sure, the facebook games aren't very "deep" or stuff, but they're largely similar to old shit he did like Pyramids Of Egypt and stuff like that, small, simplistic games.

I'd still love to see him take on an elaborate project again though.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 16:53:13 2013 No.501269 >>501262 He's a great designer who just doesn't like doing what made him famous.

Anonymous Sat Apr 20 16:53:43 2013 No.501262
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>>496140
Holy shit, poor Tom Hall.
I dare you guys to watch the entirety of his 2 kickstarter pitch videos.

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/lootdrop/an-old-school-rpg-by-brenda-brathwaite-and-tom-hal
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/368238381/worlds-of-wander-plus-secret-spaceship-club-game

I swear I felt like burying myself in the ground halfway. Is there a name for this situation, where you feel so embarrassed for somebody else, and start feeling absolutely terrible?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 16:55:12 2013 No.501287 >>501269 What DID he actually do?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 17:00:42 2013 No.501328 >>501287 Commander Keen was mostly his stuff I think.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 17:01:42 2013 No.501331 File: 10 KB, 320x188, Dopefish.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>501328 Pretty sure he just did the character design for that..

Anonymous Sat Apr 20 17:02:42 2013 No.501339 [SPOILER]

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>>495569
>>495587
>I think that he somewhat changed.

>I don't know if its the age or the fact that he is not some kind of superstar now,but in recent interviews he seems more humble and cool.

Because he learned something from the entire thing. He realizes what he did wrong, that he was acting like a douche.

It must have been a very humbling experience in retrospect. Carmack and Romero aren't even mad at each other anymore, they're adult, they grow up and get over stupid shit like that.

Pic seriously unrelated.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 17:05:12 2013 No.501363 >>495587 This. Strongly urge everyone to watch modern interviews with the guy. He's pretty cool.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 17:06:42 2013 No.501369 >>501240 Where I can find a good copy? I tried to read it in PDF,but so many grammatical errors ruined the experience.

Anonymous Sat Apr 20 17:07:42 2013 No.501378

>>501262
>I swear I felt like burying myself in the ground halfway. Is there a name for this situation, where you feel so embarrassed for somebody else, and start feeling absolutely terrible?
Yeah,its called empathy.

The people in 4chan seems to lack of it through.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 17:08:12 2013 No.501386 >>501378 Don't kid yourself, people here might act mean but they all mostly are good individuals.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 17:08:42 2013 No.501381 File: 60 KB, 500x625, tumblr_m0u6jzGAUH1rpof2eo1_500.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] This fucking guy.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 17:09:12 2013 No.501391 >>501331 He was the director as well. I think he also designed levels with Romero? Can't find the info on google but wikipedia says that Romero only did half the levels in Keen.

Anonymous Sat Apr 20 17:12:42 2013 No.501415

>>500053
A prime example of a person being fucked over by the company he helped build.
One "flop" is all it takes and they dispose of you like yesterday's news, even in a corporate system/country that prides itself in valuing seniority and work ethic more than anything else.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 17:13:42 2013 No.501428 >>499336 LM2 is boring as fuck and repetitive as shit. >>499320 Make that about 15 years ago and I'll agree with you. I will never forgive him for his outright indignation against the people he owes his entire career to.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 17:14:12 2013 No.501431 >>500238 According to the first KiD trailer, he's also arranging classical music into dubstep. Really horrible. I hope Takada returns to Grasshopper after Zwei.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 17:16:42 2013 No.501440 >>501262 >2 casual projects. >Both failed. Oh god,it hurts so much. Why the fuck the industry (and the players) fucks with the most talented people so much?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 17:22:12 2013 No.501481 Frédérick Raynal, guy made Alone in the Dark, LBA 1 & 2, then he bet on the dreamcast...

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 17:29:42 2013 No.501529 File: 13 KB, 174x177, 1330060303705.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>501262 Damn.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 17:30:12 2013 No.501543 >>501381 Considering that EA owns Ultima it's not like he really had a choice.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 17:31:12 2013 No.501550 >>501481 Oh shit man, I loved LBA..

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 17:38:43 2013 No.501614 >>498083 >E4M2 >good Look, I love Doom, I love Romero, I love Carmack, I love id, but I'll NEVER forgive them for E4M2.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 17:40:42 2013 No.501630 >>501369 I bought mine off Amazon, but really, you could probably find it somewhere on TPB if you really can't be arsed to find it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 17:42:43 2013 No.501648 Yoshio Sakimoto How a person can direct Super Metroid and Metroid Other M is beyond anything I can understand.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 17:43:13 2013 No.501661 >>501614 I've never played E4. Why is that level so bad? Captcha:religious hatez

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 17:45:42 2013 No.501673 >>495172 >not knowing Romeros role in Doom Does it hurt to do an ounce of research before posting?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 17:51:42 2013 No.501717 >>501648 Gunpei Yokoi also directed Super Metroid alongside him, so there is that.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 17:53:42 2013 No.501730 >>501661 Because it's very very tedious, very little health, very little ammo, pitfalls full of lava, run-jumps, abuse of Baron's, overall, Episode 4, Map 2, is not fun at all to play.

Anonymous Sat Apr 20 17:56:13 2013 No.501756
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>>499396

Tales of the Forsaken Land for the PlayStation 2 was about all they bothered localizing here.

It was a pretty good game. Seeing all the artwork having been done by Katsuya Terada was an exceptionally pleasant surprise.

The only bullshit mechanic in that game is the Reaper. Fuck that nigger; there's no way to avoid him other than resetting your game and hoping he doesn't spawn the next time you pass one of his areas.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 18:04:42 2013 No.501816 >>496198 That's Werdna, you uncultured swine

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 18:25:12 2013 No.501974 >>499867 Am I the only one that liked Rage? Sure, it was pretty flawed, but it was pretty damn fun too.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 18:32:12 2013 No.502020 >>499396 >Wizardry on phones I have Wizardry: LoLS on my iPhone, the same one they released on PSN (albeit with lower res, etc) and it's really enjoyable to be honest. Touchscreen can be fiddly at times, but not a massive problem in a dungeon crawler.

Anonymous Sat Apr 20 18:32:43 2013 No.502023

>>501974
No.

>Good design of the scenarios
>Good design of enemies
>Good graphics
>Generally ok design of levels
>Good extras (car races,side missions)
>Good weapons (I loved that "mental control pivot"

The story sucked but in general it was a good game IMO.

A solid 8/10 for me.

Not as good as doom and quake but it was good.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 18:38:12 2013 No.502075 >>502023 I'd put it more at a 7/10, because the end "boss" was kind of a let down, and the game felt a bit short, but I'd honestly love to see Id have a second go at Rage.

Anonymous Sat Apr 20 18:41:13 2013 No.502102

>>502075
>>502023
Me again, also, I kind of really digged the weapons, and the different kinds of ammo there was for them.

The auto-loading shotgun with "pop-rocket" shells was probably the weapon I used the most, it's like a tiny, semi-automatic grenade-launcher.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 18:54:12 2013 No.502206 So uh, is nobody gonna mention that brief period when Romero had an underaged Romanian girlfriend?

Anonymous Sat Apr 20 19:03:43 2013 No.502280

>>502102
You can immediately notice how the last levels were made with rush and poor quality.

Also that fucking ending!

If you have read masters of doom you can see that carmack never gave a fuck about a good history in FPS's,but the post-apocalyptic ambientation demanded a good story.

With a good story,better last levels,a good final boss and maybe other things to do with the cars this game could have been fucking epic.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 19:04:13 2013 No.502286 >>502206 You have my attention anon.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 19:05:12 2013 No.502297 >>502206 Continue.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 19:13:42 2013 No.502360 >>502297 >>502286 http://www.quartertothree.com/game-talk/archive/index.php/t-6571.html I take it back, she was 18 when they met. He was 36.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 19:15:43 2013 No.502381 >>495234 I'm with you. I kind of loved From Dust. I wish the gameplay was expanded but the general mechanics are beautiful.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 19:17:43 2013 No.502395 >>502206 Dunno if she was underage, but weren't they married for some years? That was his second wife, before his current one.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 19:19:12 2013 No.502428 >>502381 I tried to play it but it wouldnt load. I was thinking it was gonna be a good game too. i'll try again later on it.

Anonymous Sat Apr 20 19:20:42 2013 No.502437

>>502395

You're confusing Killcreek and Raluca. Raluca, as rumor has it, was a 16 year old Romanian girl Romero courted over the internet for two years before paying her air fare and expenses to become a citizen. Given that we never heard about her again after Romero's single blog post when she arrived I can only assumed the obvious happened.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 19:25:42 2013 No.502482 File: 183 KB, 500x375, johncarmack.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I dunno, I think they make kind of a cute couple. toplel

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 19:26:12 2013 No.502491 File: 79 KB, 320x240, ralucanadjon.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I dunno, I think they make kind of a cute couple. toplel

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 19:27:42 2013 No.502498 >>502437 I know about Killcreek, but Raluca/Rhaluka was definitely married to him. Thinking about it now, I don't actually think Romero ever actually married Killcreek.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 19:33:42 2013 No.502553 >>502498 How long did that last? Rhaluka was surely just in it for the green card?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 19:45:42 2013 No.502630 Just reading trough this thread makes me appreciate how brutal the gaming business can be. Today on top, but tomorrow you're already ignored. Jesus...

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 20:16:42 2013 No.502861 >>502630 Just like life itself anon...just like life...

Anonymous Sat Apr 20 20:25:42 2013 No.502925

>>502280
Yeah, I would really like to see them give Rage one more try, I feel there is the potential for a really good game to be had there.

>>502553
Can't blame her, it's hard as fuck to get a greencard in the US, lord knows I want one.

It's literally easier to migrate there illegally, but that's not how I want to do it.
Oh well, maybe one day, I'll win that greencard lottery.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 20:35:12 2013 No.502984 >>501287 Commander Keen, Rise of the Triad and Anachronox.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 21:56:42 2013 No.503531 >>500029 he created the engine and the reason why sonic goes fast, the true guy who created sonic is Naoto Oshima, very few people know this

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 22:10:42 2013 No.503625 >>495243 Story behind this?

Anonymous Sat Apr 20 22:15:12 2013 No.503658

>>495525
Because Carmack was the brains, but Romero was the spirit. Carmack would've had a nice, functioning game without much substance. Romero would've created a badass game with more bugs than an entomologist's convention (Daikatana anyone?)

Together, they created a work of art. ID was great because they had each other.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 22:17:42 2013 No.503682 >>503658 >Carmack would've had a nice, functioning game without much substance. Rage.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 22:18:12 2013 No.503692 >>503682 I guess so. I was really disappointed by the ending of that game. Thanks for the point of reference!

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 22:22:12 2013 No.503718 The ceo of epic. He was the head programmer on the unreal engines, that made online shooters and the company explode with cash. Now he is nothing but a console fanboy, same as john carmack

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 22:22:42 2013 No.503713 File: 12 KB, 328x375, ken_silverman.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Little known fact: He's actually Sarah Silverman's little brother.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 22:25:42 2013 No.503734 >>496030 He is an xbox fanboy, he has abandoned the pc and nintendo

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 22:26:13 2013 No.503739 >>495234 From Dust was a little sketchy but basically awesome

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 22:26:42 2013 No.503742 >>503713 Ken, i know voxels are cool, but you should have stayed on the industry instead of developing your voxel engine.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 22:27:43 2013 No.503748 >>495243 You never made a good game, fuck off.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 22:29:42 2013 No.503762 File: 13 KB, 300x408, shigeru_miyamoto.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 22:29:42 2013 No.503763 File: 265 KB, 1052x1222, sarah-silverman.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>503713 Once you see the resemblance you can't unsee it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 22:30:12 2013 No.503773 >>496230 I hope openGL picks up some, MS doesn't need anymore control over the game industry

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 22:39:12 2013 No.503836 >>503773 It will never pick up again like in the late 90's, at least no in the upcoming generation, since all consoles are using AMD GPU's, and AMD fucking hates OpenGL.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 22:39:13 2013 No.503829 Romero is actually on the record of saying that the Daikatana advert was something an marketing guy pushed that he just went "whatever" about and wasn't vocally negative enough over. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQMtVbz_JuE#t=6m58s

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 22:39:42 2013 No.503831 >>499867 Aren't both Doom 4 and Quake 5 going to be made with ID Tech 5 or 5.5 or something?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 22:40:42 2013 No.503843 >>500181 fuck bethesda for being console fanboys

Anonymous Sat Apr 20 22:42:12 2013 No.503852

Tom Hall's RPG failed because it was very clear they were making up the horrible pitch as they went along. It was pretty much an example of how not to do it.
Then he went for some casual platformer and it wasn't as widely spread on news sites.

If he'd just kick out a spiritual sequel to Anachronox he'd be rolling in money.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 22:43:42 2013 No.503861 File: 279 KB, 469x345, it's a dragon.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>496585 >Quake 2 >generic aesthetics Are you fucking kidding me?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 22:56:42 2013 No.503965 >>503836 My amd gpu works just fine with OpenGL. Not sure how it compares to nvidia but amd of today is much better.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 22:58:12 2013 No.503980 >>503965 Mine too, opengl works fine with amd, well the 7000 series like the consoles will be using. Plus consoles wont have to work with the drivers from amd just direct to hardware coding so yeah that'll be even better

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 23:00:12 2013 No.504007 >>503980 >>503965 OpenGL works, but the support is very poor, just try to run any hardware accelerated port of Doom or Quake with a mod using a variety of effects, and then compare it with an Nvidia card. AMD just sucks for OpenGL.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 23:02:42 2013 No.504018 >>504007 But I do that on a daily basis, I get >60 fps no matter what. Plus thats the drivers fault, mostly, which consoles wont have to deal with.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 23:04:12 2013 No.504037 File: 1.04 MB, 656x2268, How Romero Fucked Up DnD.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I find it funny that his quest for Daikatana ended in failure for both D&D and in real life.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 23:04:12 2013 No.504038 >>504007 I even use openGL with ut2k4, works great. AMD is getting better. Plus dont indie games use openGL a lot?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 23:05:42 2013 No.504048 >>504037 >that feel when there are no daikatana torrents on tpb that still work

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 23:10:12 2013 No.504074 >>504048 That feel when you can download it here and upload it by yourself. http://dk.toastednet.org/FPS_Legends/dk.html

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 21 00:11:43 2013 No.504501 Rand Miller and all the guys from Cyan. All they do now is rerelease Myst and Riven for iOS. Their last "original" title was MagiQuest online, which didn't go too well. It's a shame.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 21 00:13:42 2013 No.504510 >>504037 ...I want to play D&D with Carmack as the DM.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 21 00:17:12 2013 No.504540 >>495457 >implying that FF games aren't shovelware themselves

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 21 00:21:42 2013 No.504565 >>504037 No, Carmack was the dick, not Romero. He could've easily let them roll back, and change their decision, and restore the game. But no, he had to be an asshole, and stop the whole game. What a fucking ego on that guy.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 21 00:42:42 2013 No.504720 >>504565 >He could've easily let them roll back, and change their decision, and restore the game. That would kill the fun of a tabletop RPG for me. D&D is more fun when every decision has consequences.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 21 00:51:42 2013 No.504791 >>504720 >D&D is more fun when the DM can ruin the whole game and never let you play again.

Anonymous Sun Apr 21 01:02:12 2013 No.504879

>>504791
Well, obviously the game won't be fun if the DM screws you over without warning, but in this case it was clear that Romero was dealing with dangerous, potentially game-breaking forces. That's the sort of thing that can happen if you deal with demons.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 21 02:29:42 2013 No.505369 >>501648 Seriously, how the fuck is it possible to direct Super FUCKING Metroid and then shit out a game that damages the franchise and ruins Samus' character in one fell swoop?

Anonymous Sun Apr 21 02:51:42 2013 No.505439

>>505369
Well it's just like being a director of movies. Ridley Scott has directed Alien and Blade Runner...he has also directed Robin Hood and Prometheus.

Most people as they get old, more famous, and more "comfortable" in their careers tend to get lazier...or simply are more willing to compromise when it comes to making deadlines and decisions.

Sad, but true in very people who work in creative mediums such as Film, Music, and Video Games.

Anonymous Sun Apr 21 03:00:12 2013 No.505458

>>504037
>>Whereas most dungeon masters would create small episodes that lasted for a few hours of play, Carmack's world was persistent; players returned to it every time they regrouped.

Uh what? Ever group I've ever played with has had persistent campaigns. That's why they're fucking called campaigns.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 21 03:04:12 2013 No.505468 >>504037 After reading this, I am certain that John Carmack is literally autistic.

Princess Sevenleaf !AnVbXjgZco Sun Apr 21 03:08:43 2013 No.505476

>>504720
Yeah. D&D is supposed to make you feel like you're really on an adventure, like you're not just playing a game. The part where Carmack apparently asked Jay Wilbur to stop Romero really gives that feel, that they all took the game very seriously.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 21 03:09:42 2013 No.505483 >>503531 To be honestly fair, it was all a team effort. Yuji Naka came up with the fast moving engine, and they needed a character for it. So Naoto Oshima came up with the design that was chosen amongst dozens of other designs.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 21 03:11:42 2013 No.505489 >>501415 Same sort of thing happened with Gunpei Yokoi, the inventor of the Game Boy, at Nintendo. A huge, massive success and after the Virtual Boy he got shafted. At least he left and went on to make the Wonder Swan.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 21 03:34:12 2013 No.505554 >>505468 I remember reading a bit from Masters of Doom that when working on Doom, as a joke some guys rolled in a TV blasting hardcore porn to distract the guys from working, but Carmack could not give a single fuck no matter what anyone did.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 21 03:51:42 2013 No.505603 >>504791 If Romero knew the risks of getting that tome then I say it's Romero's fault. He pretty much just gave it to the Devil.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 21 03:52:12 2013 No.505605 >>504037 Wait, is this what caused them to split?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 21 04:07:12 2013 No.505665 >>498083 >E4M2 >Not a complete clusterfuck You, sir, are entitled to your opinion.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 21 04:10:42 2013 No.505679 >>504037 Is the sword in this story what the game Daikatana is named after?

Anonymous Sun Apr 21 04:11:42 2013 No.505684

>>499214
Came here to post Team 17, and it seems you beat me to it. They were massive in the Amiga days, then seemed intent on doing nothing but rehashing Worms for all eternity. Were Team 17 behind the godawful modern Alien Breed 'reimaginings' or were they farmed out?

On that note: Sensible Software. What happened to those guys/ Last I recall from them is a terrible update of Sensible Soccer on the xbox.

Anonymous Sun Apr 21 04:14:12 2013 No.505695

>>498885
>Oliver Twins
Last I saw of them was asking for some utterly insane amount of money for a Dizzy sequel on a service that rhymes with flickstarter (which apparently gets my post flagged as spam?!) and then throwing their toys out of the pram when almost nobody bought in.

Some things are better left in the past, and in my opinion the Dizzy series is one of them.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 21 04:15:43 2013 No.505701 File: 21 KB, 400x300, Levellord.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] > one of the most famous mappers ever > worked on Douk3D, Blood, Serious Sam, SiN, Quake, Half Life and more >now makes casual games

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 21 04:17:12 2013 No.505703 File: 123 KB, 500x522, Jon Van Caneghem.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Sup guys.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 21 04:18:12 2013 No.505705 File: 14 KB, 320x218, manfred trenz.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>505703 hey bro

Anonymous Sun Apr 21 04:32:43 2013 No.505750
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>>495186
>Daikatana. Is it as bad as the rep?
I'd say no. It was obviously overhyped, failed to deliver in many ways and so on. It's not _good_ but it's hardly the worst game ever.

The soundtrack is pretty darn good.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 21 04:35:13 2013 No.505757 File: 70 KB, 800x600, 52856-sin-windows-screenshot-poor-romero-can-t-catch-a-break-s.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>495138

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 21 04:36:44 2013 No.505759 those 2 doctors at bioware?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 21 04:39:13 2013 No.505768 >>505750 > ... read this or die!

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 21 04:43:13 2013 No.505774 Tom Hall seems to be have been ruined by his stroke.

Anonymous Sun Apr 21 04:53:43 2013 No.505798

>>505489
To be fair, his leaving was also his own choice. He was meant to be 'punished' so to speak for about 6 months before going back to normal position.

I still feel that such a move is incredibly dickish to one of the most important and brilliant senior figures in Nintendo history, but that's Yamauchi for you.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 21 04:59:44 2013 No.505816 >>505554 Indeed. The TV was put right next to his computer desk, turned up all the way, and all he did in response to the increasingly loud moans was to turn toward it, do his trademark 'mmm.' and look away.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 21 05:00:13 2013 No.505818 >>505605 No, but I think the writer used it as a powerful foreshadowing of things to come.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 21 05:00:13 2013 No.505820 It's a shame carmacks sister adrian got pregnant towards the end of dooms devel...

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 21 05:08:43 2013 No.505843 >>503713 You're trolling me....right?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 21 05:17:14 2013 No.505875 >>505843 Yes he is. She's the youngest of four daughters.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 21 05:18:43 2013 No.505884 >Carmack got arrested for stealing computers I learned that it's possible to be a nerd and alpha at the same time.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 21 05:25:43 2013 No.505920 File: 4 KB, 300x322, 1366335390041.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>505816 I can hear it in my head. Fuck I love this man.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 21 07:16:13 2013 No.506294 File: 107 KB, 1680x1050, 2011-08-26_00001.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>505774 Maybe he can voice Simmons again in the next Deus Ex title? They did bring back Bob Page..

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 21 07:27:43 2013 No.506335 >>505684 At least they're doing a HD remake of Superfrog now. So they're rehashing something else for a change. I'm looking forward to it, but they really should make new games.

Anonymous Sun Apr 21 08:02:13 2013 No.506471

>>504720
>>504791
To be fair he could have dealt with it becoming a campaign on it's own with the demon as the BBEG, or if that's not to his style he could (and might have) set the next campaign several hundred/thousand years post-demonic invasion and re-worked the campaign.

That said there's nothing really wrong with his take. Actions have consequences and "resetting" is fucking retarded in P&P.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 21 08:15:13 2013 No.506543 File: 46 KB, 468x600, 468px-American_McGee.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] no American Mcgee? part of the original iD team

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 21 08:21:43 2013 No.506564 >>498885 >>505695 >>499384 such a shame to see them fall from grace. the dizzy games were awesome.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 21 08:25:13 2013 No.506582 >>499214 >>505684 >Team 17 would love to see another decent 2d alien breed game.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 21 08:38:43 2013 No.506621 >>505705 >Turrican oh how i weep.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 21 10:28:14 2013 No.507052 >>501262 Well, in the german language there is. It is called Fremdschämen.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 21 10:58:14 2013 No.507183 >>495234 I never detected THAT much of an ego on Carmack...

Anonymous Sun Apr 21 11:44:14 2013 No.507430

>>495138

He was never mighty.

He was the wrong guy in the right place. He was nothing special, but was randomly surrounded by outstanding visionaries.

When the time arrived for him to part from those amazing guys, he failed misserably to never triumph again. EVER.

Anonymous Sun Apr 21 18:54:44 2013 No.510316

>>501661

Its not. It's one of the most challenging maps in Doom 1. I guess that's why people hate it. Great design, a real classic arcade game vibe.

People here seem to hate it because it's... difficult? When much of the rest of Doom 1 is fairly easy, I don'´t see the problem. The whole of E4 is difficult compared to the rest, that's a good thing in my eyes.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 22 04:52:16 2013 No.513918 >>495172 he made the level editor and was the lead designer

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 22 04:59:17 2013 No.513937 >>500027 after

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 22 05:07:17 2013 No.513958 >>505750 become an UNREAL God.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 22 05:13:47 2013 No.513974 >Team17 hasn't done anything in over ten years except remake their old games No sympathy from me. For a whole new level of shit tierness they took Leisure Suit Larry to they deserve to rot in hell for all eternity.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 22 09:13:18 2013 No.514650 >>495138 > Daikatana.jpg The guy on the OP pic is not Daikatana, it's John Romero. Daikatana is the game he made.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 22 09:33:47 2013 No.514716 >>503625 fable is a good example he promised all kinds of over the top shit and didn't deliver. was still a great game, but people were pissed because he always does that. http://uk.gamespot.com/fable-ii/forum/fable-1-promises-45049150/

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 22 10:01:17 2013 No.514797 >>514650 I already know that faggot. But daikatana is the game who killed his reputation forever-

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 22 10:07:18 2013 No.514818 >>495138 OP, plz

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 22 10:12:47 2013 No.514831 >>514797 >who Games cannot be people, anon. They are inanimate .

Anonymous Mon Apr 22 10:12:47 2013 No.514832

With Daikatana, it wasn't so much the bad game but all the hype surrounding it and John Romero. The gaming industry put him on a pedestal, and when he said he was about to make us his bitch, a lot of gamers were cool with it at the time "because it's John-Fucking-Romero." But then this turd released, and it was too shitty to suck down.

>>	Ridnarhtim Mon Apr 22 14:12:35 2013 No.516071 >>498754 Yeah, this. Involved in so many games I loved back in the days... Be interesting to see what Epic gets up to without him, and what he gets up to without them.

>>	Ridnarhtim Mon Apr 22 14:13:05 2013 No.516076 Even though I've never played Daikatana, I have an uncontrollable rage towards it due to that Thief 2 quotation.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 22 19:26:56 2013 No.518148 test

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 22 22:16:56 2013 No.519364 >>506543 I don't think that he's fallen quite as hard as Romero or Spector. EA sure as hell fucked him over on Madness Returns. Maybe some day he'll get his Alice 3 with no EA.

Anonymous Mon Apr 22 22:31:26 2013 No.519460

Not a guy, and I'm not sure if this counts as a huge fall but Raven Software went from making pretty cool FPS games like Hexen, Heretic, Them SoF games, Jedi Outcast/Academy to now just making DLC stuff for Call of Duty.

>>503831

Supposed to be and I'm sure they'll use that for Doom 4. I recall a very old interview saying they'll scale it down to 30 fps Singleplayer since they're gonna stuff the levels with demons, while Multiplayer will get that damn needed 60fps.

On another note, the last recent news for Doom 4 I also recall Carmack asking the team making the game what was Doom to them, and when it was his turn to answer he told them it's supposed to be about Demons and Shotguns. He still knows where it's at.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 22 23:05:26 2013 No.519773 >>499812 Carmack's kind of a genius. He also dabbles in rocket science and engineering.

Anonymous Mon Apr 22 23:10:27 2013 No.519805
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Paul Cuisset

Creator of Flashback, one of my favorite games of the 16-bit era.

Don't forget Eric Chahi, also from French compnay Delphine Software, who made Another World.

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