Sin and Punishment

[Anonymous No.4947483]

This is game is completely fucking nuts, holy shit. Within the first act you transform into an Evangelion for no reason, and during the second act you're flying on top of a hovering piece of debris as you're taking out fighter planes and massive battleships with your piddly handgun. All the stages are practically oozing creativity, every stage and boss is something completely new. The amount of action on screen is crazy, especially for a N64. It's already a feat that it can actually run this game.

Are there more games like this? How does the sequel hold up?

[Anonymous No.4947506]

Panzer Dragoon II is superior.

S&P has:
>auto-aim function (lame)
>no branching level structure
>annoying children with awful VA
>bad game flow (you make too many stops)
>extremely easy (have to unlock Hard mode)
>blocky 3D models and ugly, dull aesthetics

[Anonymous No.4947791]

Panzer Dragoon II is superior.

S&P has:
>auto-aim function (lame)
>no branching level structure
>annoying children with awful VA
>bad game flow (you make too many stops)
>extremely easy (have to unlock Hard mode)
>blocky 3D models and ugly, dull aesthetics

[Anonymous No.4948120]

>>4947791
Damn man, I love Zwei, but you're cynic.
>auto-aim funcion (lame)
Not really, auto-aim is far weaker than the manual shots, meaning you can't really rely on it for most of the game. You're supposed to toggle between manual and auto depending on the strat you need given any needed situation, auto is useful when you need to focus more on dodging, but most of the time you should be using manual, if you want to actually kill timed mini bosses and stuff, otherwise auto shots won't cut it.
And again, I love Zwei, but just to argue against you, since you're so cynic, I'll be cynic and say Zwei's berserk is "lame" since you just press a button and watch everything on screen get killed.
>no branching level structure
This is true, S&P also doesn't have Zwei's dragon evolving mechanic. However, I find S&P's levels more engaging, as OP said, the action on screen is crazy, Zwei has a lot of moments where nothing is really happening.
>annoying children with awful VA
You don't like Airan's voice? You gay son? Anyway: Completely skippable cutscenes. You have no excuse.
>bad game flow (you make too many stops)
I thought in S&P the cabal parts are handled in a way that don't really break the game's flow at all. You never stop shooting and dodging/jumping.
>extremely easy
I mean, these kind of games are based on memorization. I wouldn't call S&P "extremely easy" though, and at least it has a hard mode, even if you have to unlock it.
>blocky 3D models and ugly, dull aesthetics
You're complaining about blocky 3D models on a 5th gen game? Call the press.

[Anonymous No.4948125]

>>4947483
>Hey guys I played a game and I liked it
>>4947791
>WELL LET ME TELL YOU WHY THAT GAME YOU LIKED IS SHIT

[Anonymous No.4948223]

>>4948125
He didn't say it's shit he just said Zwei is better and to check it out.

[Anonymous No.4948224]

>>4948223
read it again

[Anonymous No.4950430]

>>4947483
>>4947791
>>4948120
>>4948125
>>4948223
>>4948224
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9PM_gJrN5E

[Anonymous No.4950437]

>>4950430
Great theme, but since 2-2 is the level I've replayed the most I'm a bit tired of it by now, some other great tracks:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHg0tAlRUzQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CxX8n7NOWU

[Anonymous No.4950489]

>>4947791
>a wild Saturn fanboy appears

your system died even in Japan after 1998 (Alpha 3 was the only post-98 worthwhile game)

you have to tout your "arcade ports" even though Namco boycotted your console and Midway left early on. Very few Saturn arcade ports are noticeably better than the ps1 versions

[Anonymous No.4950495]

>>4950489
The fact he's using Zwei to shitpost a S&P thread doesn't mean he's necessarily a Saturn fanboy.
Attack him because he's a shitposter, not because he posted a (great) Saturn game.

[Anonymous No.4950505]

>>4947483
I asked him why he didn't put seven force in the game once

said they didn't think players would want to fight the same boss over and over

I said it was really misleading to put Green in the game if that was the case

[Anonymous No.4950539]

>>4947483
>Are there more games like this?
like, every treasure game.

[Anonymous No.4950554]

Bangai-O Dreamcast is the only good treasure game.

[Anonymous No.4950563]

Why do Treasure game threads attract so many shitposters?

[Anonymous No.4950573]

>>4947791
apples and oranges. and Zwei is easier than the original PD

[Anonymous No.4950584]

>>4950573
PDZ has none of PD's random/inconsistent enemy formations, but in PD you're expected to take damage without being able to avoid all of it.

PDZ is designed from the outset that you can do a perfect play.

[Anonymous No.4950606]

To address OP's question of whether or not the sequel holds up, since this turned into a Zwei vs. S&P debate I'm going to say yes, it actually goes above and beyond imo. It adds some elements of other rail shooter types including bullet hells. I can't recall much of the plot as I haven't played it in years, and I played it in Japanese since I wasn't ever expecting a western release

There's a lot more variety in the areas and enemies because of the Wii's superior hardware, and a lot more ways to approach the enemies with the addition of a jetpack, more enemies that have sweetspots using the sword as opposed to shooting - encouraging you getting up close and personal with a lot of enemies, and just a more streamlined control method. Using the Wiimote to aim feels awesome and very intuitive. The music in the sequel is much better imo as well. I can't really compare difficulty as I haven't played either game in years, but I nearly made it to the end of 2 on hard mode while only ever being able to make it maybe a quarter way through the original on normal

[Anonymous No.4950685]

>>4950563
>shit company attracts shit people
fitting

[Anonymous No.4950696]

>all this autism over a rail shooter
god i fucking hate weebs

[Anonymous No.4950708]

>>4950563
Treasure made most of their games exclusive to certain consoles, like the Saturn or the N64, which many people didn't own or have a hateboner for.
It's console war faggotry as usual.

[Anonymous No.4950713]

>>4950696
back to your containment general, doomfag

[Anonymous No.4950714]

>>4950685
I didn't mean Treasure as a company, I meant Treasure threads here on /vr/, but good reading comprehension anyway.

[Anonymous No.4950717]

>>4950696
What do you mean? Most of the thread is shitposting about Treasure because, you know, shitposting and (You)s, barely anyone discussed rail shooters.
>weebs
?

[Anonymous No.4950859]

>>4947483
More like crime and punishment, crime and punishment. IN THE HALL.

[Anonymous No.4950868]

>>4950859
Speaking of the game title, I wonder if they got it from this Shiina Ringo song, Tsumi to Batsu (Sin and Punishment)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSXvVmwJxh4

[Anonymous No.4950876]

>>4950868
If you take the meaning of "Sin and Punishment" together it just means "Justice"

And all the greatest videogames are about justice.

[Anonymous No.4950893]

>>4950876

[Anonymous No.4950938]

>>4947791
>S&P has:
>auto-aim function (lame)
>too easy

I dont think you actually played it

[Anonymous No.4950940]

[Anonymous No.4950953]

>>4950940
ohboyherewego

[Anonymous No.4951595]

>>4950437
Happens to be my two other favorite songs from the OST.

[Anonymous No.4951618]

>>4950940
Man, remember when these threads were a thing and they always devolved into autitst complaining about "more than 1 picture"?

[Anonymous No.4952061]

>>4950489
>your system died even in Japan after 1998 (Alpha 3 was the only post-98 worthwhile game)
yeah, because the dreamcast was released by then. retard.

>even though Namco boycotted your console
no shit. sony'd bribed namco for the exclusivity of their arcade ports.

>and Midway left early on.
and nothing of value was lost.

>Very few Saturn arcade ports are noticeably better than the ps1 versions
blatantly false, sonydrone.

[Anonymous No.4953998]

sin and punishment
more like SHIT and EXCREMENT
I WIPE MY AYUSS WITH THIS GAME

[Anonymous No.4954041]

>>4953998
Escuchame una cosa la concha de tu madre te voy a encontrar y te voy a meter la pija hasta la calavera, puta de meirda, te voya a agarrar y te voy a meter la pija tan hasta el fondo del orto que tus intestinos se van a licuar- Saludos.

[Anonymous No.4954121]

<<4954041
kof pls go
and take your shit-tier beanerspeak with you

[Anonymous No.4954493]

>>4954121
Learn to use 4chan first, anglocuck.

[Anonymous No.4954651]

<<4954493
and give you the (you)'s you so preciously desire?
hell no
now get back to work on building that wall, pendejo

[Anonymous No.4954671]

>>4954651
What kind of autist do you have to be to think that I care about (You)s, especially by an anglocuck?

[Anonymous No.4954673]

>>4954493
Really though, nobody speaks spic here. Keep that shit in the ghetto or outside home depot. The only time i wanna hear spanglish is at a taco truck or while you mow my lawn. When people talk about the americas anything below the usa border isnt worth much. Its all canada and usa. You dont want is to build a wall but your country built a wall to keep out guatemalans, who you treat like second class citizens and pay them a fraction of what you would pay a mexicans. You treat the maya like shit and most nexicans give into greed drugs and corruption, thats why people want to leave your shithole country. Your video games suck too, oh wait i dont think ive ever played a game from mexico, because mexico doesnt develop video games.

[Anonymous No.4954678]

>>4954673
Whatever you say, mutt. Enjoy your chicanos selling drugs to your kids on the streets.

[Anonymous No.4954679]

>>4954673
>Your video games suck too, oh wait i dont think ive ever played a game from mexico, because mexico doesnt develop video games.
Not like USA or Canada make good games anyway.

[Anonymous No.4954683]

>>4954671
>thinks everyone that isn't a beaner MUST be an anglo
>thinks everyone that doesn't enjoy jarpigs MUST be Retardo
>thinks everyone that doesn't like nintendo MUST be Australia-kun
Congrats, you win the "most delusional shitposter on 4chan" award.

[Anonymous No.4954686]

>>4954678
Mexicans are mutts, just a bunch of spanish, portuguese, aztec, maya, zapotec, toltec, probably some english, african and german in there somewhere too. So, shut the fuck up imbecile!

[Anonymous No.4954690]

>>4952061
Saturn sucked so hard it needed a mid-gen replacement?

Sad!

[Anonymous No.4954702]

>>4954673
(-: Yo hablo castellano :-)

[Anonymous No.4954706]

>>4954686
t. inbred mayo trash

[Anonymous No.4954709]

>>4954683
>thinks that everyone that speaks spanish MUST be a beaner.

[Anonymous No.4954740]

>>4954709
Oh, so you're just an Argenigger then. By the way, you will NEVER EVER be white and you will NEVER EVER have the Falkland islands.

[Anonymous No.4954742]

>>4954740
I'm not from any of the Americas period.
By the way, if you're a bong: Allah u' Akbhar my brother.

[Anonymous No.4954747]

>>4954740
Reminder you are not white people. You are ***you*** :-)

[Anonymous No.4954761]

>>4954690
Nah, it was fine, still is. Theres a fair amount of good games on the saturn. Should have waited on the dreamcast and made more titles for the saturn. Also, the sega cd and 32x should never have happened and all those games should have been on the saturn. Too bad sega of america is a bunch of dipshits.

[Anonymous No.4954774]

>>4954740
do one for islam, it would be funny because it would be over 1300 years long

[Anonymous No.4954778]

>>4954774
The UK is basically an islamic region by now, so they can just rewrite the UK kill count as their own.

[Anonymous No.4954784]

>>4954778
t. never been outside north america

[Anonymous No.4954796]

>>4954784
I'm a memeber of the Islam living in the UK right now. I know I'm right.

[Anonymous No.4954810]

>>4954796
Did you choose to be muslim or did your dad beat you until you submit

this is a joke, all muslims submit, they can't fathom the situation of someone not submiting, it just doesn't make sense to them not to jack off on a baby

[Anonymous No.4954907]

>>4954690
>mid-gen
PS2 came out just a year and a few months later...

[Anonymous No.4955376]

Thinking of stage 3-2, are there any other sidescrolling games where you can aim along the plane you are moving on and into the background simultaneously? Because other than in S&P where it was only a one-stage ordeal and in maybe Star Successor I can't think of any other game which does this. You even get trees as cover which block the line of fire between you and background enemies.

[Anonymous No.4955765]

>>4955376
The whole game should've been like 3-2 tbf, and take away the aiming reticle. Just call it Contra: Edgy Kids Edition.

[Anonymous No.4957014]

>>4954041
...and the name of that autist? You guessed it

[Anonymous No.4958670]

>>4947483
>Are there more games like this?
As far as I know there isn't another rail shooter that recaptures the feel of the first S&P exactly, but the sequel is great in it's own way and is the premier rail shooter on the Wii.