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Anonymous Sat Jul 28 05:42:34 2018 No.4937131 [Reply] [Original]

PSIO update - most pre-orders will be shipping mid to late August.

PSIO have also partnered with StoneAgeGamer for the retail release.

Who's hyped?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 05:45:35 2018 No.4937136 >>4937131 MY BODY IS READY

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 05:48:36 2018 No.4937138 Isn't PSX the worst hardware for running PS1 games?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 05:50:15 2018 No.4937140 >>4937138 >PSX you can’t even get the basics right

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>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 06:04:39 2018 No.4937164 >>4937131 Not me. Not anymore. After the PS2 HDD loader now works perfectly. Still going to get one for my 7502 though.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 06:08:33 2018 No.4937169 >>4937164 >After the PS2 HDD loader now works perfectly. ??????????? PS2 can load ps1 iso games now? since when? how is this not news across the internet

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 06:24:28 2018 No.4937195 >>4937164 Since fucking when? I have fmb and a drive adaptor and the only solution for PS1 was software emulation and far from perfect.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 08:19:58 2018 No.4937356 Is the compatibility any better? Was really bad last time I checked up on it and the authors weren't doing much to fix it. >>4937164 You must have downloaded that in your dreams, homeboy. No such thing exists for PS1 games and never will.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 08:24:38 2018 No.4937363 By the time this gadget will be usable I'll be an old man.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 08:30:27 2018 No.4937370 >>4937131 >Who's hyped? >We are currently assembling your PSIO Cartridge. We ask that you please be patient with us whilst we accomplish this task. Your order details are shown below for reference: Me!

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 08:30:44 2018 No.4937371 >>4937131 What are we talking about here?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 08:47:35 2018 No.4937384 >>4937371 Asking this for me too. I've been playing ps1 games on my ps2 for a long time with no other additional hardware or whatever. I'm new to the finer points of retro gaming I guess and wanna learn

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 08:48:00 2018 No.4937385 >>4937356 Never will? It wouldn't surprise me if someone got it working, the scene isn't completely dead.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 08:56:06 2018 No.4937398 My modded PSOne and folder of backups work just fine and are way less expensive

>>	babbage's gramps !RATGzMALLY Sat Jul 28 08:56:12 2018 No.4937401 >>4937384 It's for us dirty pirates and those trying to eliminate the mechanical liabilities of optical disc based consoles Does it still require soldering?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 09:26:13 2018 No.4937434 >>4937356 >Out of all official 2,435 software titles, PSIO is so far 99.8% compatible (as of 15/JUNE/2018) http://ps-io.com/faq/

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 09:29:56 2018 No.4937443 >>4937434 Stop it anon I can only get so erect

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 09:30:15 2018 No.4937446 >>4937164 Are you referring to the no longer in development POPStarter with crap compatibility?

Anonymous Sat Jul 28 09:30:28 2018 No.4937447

>>4937385

Yeah maybe, I just can't see anyone having the patience to see it through this late in the game. In theory all the shit to make it work is there, it just seems like it would take a miracle in programming terms to get the 'PS1 side' of the PS2 to recognize a hard drive of any sort. When the popstarter software emulator was getting updated semi-regularly I thought it might go somewhere but that thing really wasn't up to scratch.

Anonymous Sat Jul 28 10:06:26 2018 No.4937503

>>4937169
>>4937356
It has been able to do so for years, POPS to load from the internal hard drive that is.
Previously it just had problems with some games loading from the hard drive because the storage interface routine was off. Works over OPL too unifying PS1 and PS2 games under a single nice interface.

>>4937195
FAT PS2s use POPS in hardware more, no software emulation. Some Slims do too if you use the older files, but the main point here was using it off the internal drive.

>>4937446
It's community driven. There are newer releases released by random nobodies on forums fixing things. For the longest time the only problem with compatibility was the bad storage interface routines.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 10:10:23 2018 No.4937510 File: 28 KB, 221x355, 1509548191951.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4937503 >POPS

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 10:19:43 2018 No.4937519 >>4937510 That's indeed what the PS2 uses to play PS1 games.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 10:24:06 2018 No.4937530 >>4937131 >need to add a configurable oscillator to properly display out-of-region games yeah... no.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 10:25:17 2018 No.4937535 >>4937401 of course >>4937503 >FAT PS2s use POPS in hardware more, no software emulation. wrong, it's still full-blown emulation. always was, always will be.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 10:30:23 2018 No.4937547 >>4937530 is this just for playing PAL games on NTSC systems, and vice versa? I would assume you wouldn't need anything else to play any Japanese import titles on a US system.

Anonymous Sat Jul 28 10:34:40 2018 No.4937552

>>4937535
>wrong, it's still full-blown emulation.
>always was, always will be.
Except it's not. For example, the I/O processor of the PS2 is used as the CPU for PS1 games. POPS is code that's in the PS2 BIOS and automatically switches the system into PS1 mode when it detects a PS1 game.
You do know that PS2 backwards compatibility was an official thing.

POPS is the official PS1 emulator from Sony, depending on the hardware it's being used on, it varies between native and emulation. For example, even on the PSP, the CPU code gets directly executed on the MIPS CPU. Recently I also found out that the PS1 graphics routines also get natively executed by the PS2s GPU.
POPS Starter on the other hand is a piece of software made by SCEI to initialize POPS.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 10:35:49 2018 No.4937556 >>4937530 >>4937547 This is irrelevant when you use RGB. You can play any region game without having to configure anything as long as you use RGB. That's what's so great about the PlayStation, no hardware side region locking.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 10:53:51 2018 No.4937601 >>4937552 Then why do games run like shit when I use popstarter and run fine if I burn them to a disk?

Anonymous Sat Jul 28 11:01:40 2018 No.4937615

>>4937601
Because POPS Starter had to implement data access routines, that's what 99% of POPS Starter is, software to emulate a CD ROM drive for the native POPS emulator. That's where all the incompatibles came from, like textures not loading or videos not playing. Luckily we have smart people with nothing to do who mod and hack such things. POPS Starter wasn't meant to be used to anything but a single game before it was repurposed.

Anonymous Sat Jul 28 11:02:51 2018 No.4937617

>>4937552

You're talking complete shit anon. Popstarter was created from the emulator inside a Bishi Bashi compilation game, its compatibility is bad purely because it was never intended to do much besides play low-spec, 2D games. The hacks done to it since haven't changed that, you can a few more games but overall compatibility is still godawful.

The only way to initialize the native PS1 support from a homebrew standpoint is through the Popsloader .elf, which you can use to play CD-Rs if you have either a slimline PS2 with blocked sensors or a slide card to open the door on a phat PS2. You CAN'T initialize this to read a hard drive because it works in native PS1 mode, the console can't even detect a hard drive nor a USB input or anything else the PS2 introduced. If you're so keen on insisting it can feel free to prove it.

Anonymous Sat Jul 28 11:18:30 2018 No.4937649

>>4937617
>You're talking complete shit anon. Popstarter was created from the emulator inside a Bishi Bashi compilation game
You can't read. I explained all this already:
>>4937552
>POPS Starter on the other hand is a piece of software made by SCEI to initialize POPS.
>>4937615
>POPS Starter wasn't meant to be used to anything but a single game before it was repurposed.

POPS Starter is:
>>4937615
>that's what 99% of POPS Starter is, software to emulate a CD ROM drive for the native POPS emulator.
That's it, it's a tiny application compared to POPS when you rip POPS from PS2 BIOS. I use POPS Starter with the native PS2 BIOS POPS straight from the BIOS. No 3rd party files required. POPS Starter has no PS1 system emulator in it, just routines for CD ROM.

>>4937617
>The only way to initialize the native PS1 support...
I'm sorry to tell you but as I already mentioned before you wrote all this shit, POPS is the native Sony emulator for PS1, POPS Starter is just a CD-ROM emulator that runs actual native POPS. POPS and POPS Starter are two different things, POPS Starter literary means it starts POPS. Also yes, you lose any active control over the internal HDD or USB when you use it, because the system is indeed in PS1 mode, it can only stream data from them, as the controllers are initialized in PS2 mode and remain initialized. That's the reason you have to use defragmented files to play PS1 games from USB or hard drive, it gets directly fetched, like streaming from a CD.

>If you're so keen on insisting it can feel free to prove it.
POPS Starter requires native POPS to be present, either in BIOS or as separate files. POPS Starter itself has NO emulation files, it uses Sony's own layer for it and depending on the system you run it on, it can run a variety of code natively.

I'm actually a retro computer geek and know a few things about programming and how these things work.

babbage's gramps !RATGzMALLY Sat Jul 28 11:19:19 2018 No.4937652
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>>4937617
>either a slimline PS2 with blocked sensors or a slide card to open the door on a phat PS2
Or a fliptop PS2 - But I still prefer PC emulation. I do have the girls at Cash America watching out for a 4-usb PS3 for me not that it's especially /vr/ related but it may end up working better for me now that they can be softmodded again. Has that exploit from earlier this year even been patched yet or does Sony not really care anymore?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 11:50:36 2018 No.4937703 >>4937552 That's by no means how it works, where did you get such bullshit from?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 11:56:18 2018 No.4937709 >>4937552 That's exactly the means of how it works, where did you get such brilliance from?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 12:08:16 2018 No.4937732 Would I be able to run NTSC-J from this assuming I have a NTSC-U console?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 12:10:41 2018 No.4937740 >>4937652 the fuck am i looking at? is that a mod or the very first PS2?

Anonymous Sat Jul 28 12:20:13 2018 No.4937759

>>4937649
>I'm actually a retro computer geek and know a few things about programming and how these things work.
Being a fizzbuzz master doesn't mean you "know a few things about programming", especially if you accompany it with so much misinformation about the PS2's backwards compatibility.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 12:22:53 2018 No.4937767 >>4937740 It's a mod. They're quite hard to get a hold of nowadays.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 12:23:23 2018 No.4937769 >>4937649 How did you convince yourself of all this bullshit? Krhacken’s wiki even refers to it as a software emulator and he’s the one that worked on the fucking thing. You are wrong.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 12:29:34 2018 No.4937791 >>4937652 Cursed image

Anonymous Sat Jul 28 12:47:49 2018 No.4937840

>>4937759
I'm smart enough to see how POPS Starter works in injection with POPS and read documentation on how POPS works with the real hardware.
You don't have to take my word for it, you can go ask any development forum that deals with homebrew. The part about PSP compatibility I actually know personally from the PSP homebrew days. There's no need to be mad, you can learn about these things too.

>>4937769
I start to understand now that you people don't have much of an idea about POPS and POPS Starter, you mix them up most of the time.
krHACKen talks about POPS Starter, NOT POPS. POPS Starter is an emulator that implements data access instructions (as I tried to simplify it, a CD-ROM emulator for POPS) and a way to call POPS from software from the PS2, this was explained already and where it came from. POPS is Sony's official PlayStation emulator that depending on the hardware it runs on, emulates more or less, it sits in the PS2 BIOS, MIPS PS1 code and graphics instructions get natively executed on the hardware itself, most of the emulation and emulator are for smaller things and to get things into the right mode to execute properly. POPS itself can in fact run fully a software based emulation, it however does not do it on FAT PS2s and only a varying degree on Slim ones also not for the CPU on the PSP.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 12:48:16 2018 No.4937841 >>4937131 I'm excited for this but too bad I don't have an older model only stuck with a 9001 which I don't believe it supports yet, a well PS1 are still cheap to get by itself.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 12:50:41 2018 No.4937846 >>4937840 >The part about PSP compatibility I actually know personally from the PSP homebrew days. Oh, in that case you know that POPS is a JIT emulator and doesn't execute PS1's code natively no matter where it runs. You know that, right?

Anonymous Sat Jul 28 13:12:24 2018 No.4937904

>>4937846
Are you pulling things out your ass? Sounds like you've heard "JIT" being mentioned around emulators and try to make a argument.

But no. You don't have to take my word for it though.
https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/investigating-the-psps-psone-emulator-article
https://code.google.com/archive/p/pops-gte/wikis/DisasmHints.wiki
https://github.com/uofw/upspd/wiki/CPU
https://www.reddit.com/r/PSP/comments/7cijeg/does_psp_have_input_lag_in_ps1_games/

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 13:17:39 2018 No.4937923 File: 1.12 MB, 480x360, 1523995291884.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >I emulate, but it's the official sony emulator so it's still good even though games run like shit

Anonymous Sat Jul 28 13:24:52 2018 No.4937946

>>4937840
>it sits in the PS2 BIOS
Now that's just bullshit. PS2's bootrom doesn't contain even a single bit of POPS. If you read the POPStarter guide the very first step tells you that it doesn't include it and you have to obtain it yourself.
>Since POPS (the emulator) is copyrighted by SONY, it can not be redistributed with POPStarter. You have to find it. It’s made of 2 files (for HDD mode)...

>MIPS PS1 code and graphics instructions get natively executed on the hardware itself
PS2's backwards compatibility with original PS1 discs is handled via PS1DRV which reboots the PS2's IOP into PS1 mode that underclocks it to PS1 speeds for native code compatibility, while the EE is used to emulate the PS1's GTE. EE emulating the GTE also allows for the smoothing filter that you might enable in the BIOS. GS is only used for its RAMDAC and isn't used to render PS1 games in the slightest. POPS is also not used as it's physically not in the bootrom.
>>4937904
POPS uses dynarec to translate PS1's code to run on PSP, it by no means runs it natively. The only links you posted that support your claims are the first where the author speculates so and the last where a random redittor just says so.
http://wololo.net/2015/09/16/playstation-20th-anniversary-psx-exploits-work/

Don't claim knowledge about shit you have very little idea about.

Anonymous Sat Jul 28 13:25:33 2018 No.4937949

>>4937840

You started this reply chain by stating "the PS2 HDD loader works perfectly" in regards to loading PS1 games and all you've done since is bicker over semantics. Show me one source on the entire internet that backs up your claim that this is a thing that works.

Anonymous Sat Jul 28 13:39:17 2018 No.4937973

>>4937946
>Now that's just bullshit. PS2's bootrom doesn't contain even a single bit of POPS. If you read the POPStarter guide the very first step tells you that it doesn't include it and you have to obtain it yourself.
>You have to find it. It’s made of 2 files (for HDD mode)...
Exactly, as I told you, POPS != POPS Starter. POPS is copyrighted Sony software and not shared. The HDD mode files are just POPS modified to work with the HDD and POPS Starter, it even says that right there. On the PS2 they sit in the BIOS, on the PSP they are in the firmware files.

>PS2's backwards compatibility with original PS1 discs is handled via PS1DRV which reboots the PS2's IOP into PS1 mode that underclocks it to PS1 speeds for native code compatibility, while the EE is used to emulate the PS1's GTE. EE emulating the GTE also allows for the smoothing filter that you might enable in the BIOS. GS is only used for its RAMDAC and isn't used to render PS1 games in the slightest. POPS is also not used as it's physically not in the bootrom.
Exactly (again), POPS literary is the software layer when used natively on the PS2 and utilizing PS1DRV. PS1DRV actually does access GS registers.

>POPS uses dynarec to translate PS1's code to run on PSP, it by no means runs it natively. The only links you posted that support your claims are the first where the author speculates so and the last where a random redittor just says so.
It's instructions being executed natively, 95% of the time there is no dynamic recompilation, just the native PSP CPU. Now you're just confusing these things with PSP emulation, not PS1 on the PSP.

>Don't claim knowledge about shit you have very little idea about.
That's very ironic coming from you. Jesus Christ you people can be stupid.

Anonymous Sat Jul 28 13:59:15 2018 No.4938019

>>4937973
>POPS literary is the software layer when used natively on the PS2 and utilizing PS1DRV.
That's horseshit and you pulled that out of your ass.
>On the PS2 they sit in the BIOS
No they don't. There's not a single byte of POPS in the PS2's bootrom. The POPS was only found in Bishi Bashi Stepchamp 3 (SLBB-00001).
At this point I believe you're doing the "I was just pretending" routine so I'm not even going to bother anymore. Have a nice day.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 14:02:02 2018 No.4938026 >>4938019 >The POPS was only found in Bishi Bashi Stepchamp 3 (SLBB-00001). Not him but that actually was POPS_Starter, not POPS-00001

Anonymous Sat Jul 28 14:10:07 2018 No.4938048

>>4937946
>GS is only used for its RAMDAC and isn't used to render PS1 games in the slightest
BZZZZZZT wrong.

I think you're confusing GTE with the PS1's GPU. GTE does not render or texture the PS1's graphics, it is a vertex processing unit. While is true that the EE emulates GTE (it does this by running a microcoded GTE style program on one of its vector units), EE does not run a software emulated PS1 GPU.

What "emulates" the PS1 GPU is actually GS, because GS is nothing more than an array of enhanced PS1 GPUs. This is obvious to anybody who has read documentation on GS's blending operations - because it shares the same blending quirks as PS1 in places. It is literally register compatible with PS1's GPU and can run the same programs. The way smoothing works, is that if a register flag is enabled on GS, it will bilinear filter any texture that is sent its way.

>Don't claim knowledge about shit you have very little idea about.
Oh the irony

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 14:11:26 2018 No.4938051 >>4938026 >POPStarter is a launcher which lets you play your PS1 games in combination with $ony's PS1 emulator for PS2 (known as "POPS" or "SLBB-00001").

Anonymous Sat Jul 28 14:30:20 2018 No.4938093

>>4938048
>>What "emulates" the PS1 GPU is actually GS, because GS is nothing more than an array of enhanced PS1 GPUs.
>It is literally register compatible with PS1's GPU and can run the same programs.
Sure, that's the reason it works so goddamn well. Anyways, let's look at how does PS1's 240p suite perform on a PS2, shall we? This vid from the bugreports should show it nicely - https://youtu.be/McQ1SFO3aRc..
Holy shit what happened? I thought they could run the same programs, how is it possible? And if we read the author's reply ( https://github.com/filipalac/240pTestSuite-PS1/issues/1#issuecomment-393521124 ) his slim doesn't exhibit this behavior. GS on slim is the same as the GS on fats, just on a smaller node/integrated with EE so it can't be it. Could it be that it's emulation quirk, like he says?

Anonymous Sat Jul 28 14:35:48 2018 No.4938113

>>4938093
I would say that is down to bugs in the GS silicon which got fixed in later revisions. Remember it's not literally the PS1 GPU, Sony grafted shitloads of stuff on top of the original pipeline and then stitched a bunch of them together.

Your comment is about as stupid as saying that the Mega Drive VDP doesn't emulate the Master System VDP because the Master System VDP can emulate SG-1000 games and the Mega Drive's VDP can't within its emulation of the Master System. I mean, shit, in the process of upgrading the Master System VDP into the Mega Drive VDP they just happened to break what was needed to make SG-1000 modes work. It happens dude.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 14:41:58 2018 No.4938139 I've been waiting months for this fucking thing. If it's not in my hands before the end of the year I will choke a bitch, because my cd drive probably has one more year in it at best.

Anonymous Sat Jul 28 14:53:46 2018 No.4938164

>>4938113
>I would say that is down to bugs in the GS silicon which got fixed in later revisions.
How come no document has ever mentioned any GS fixes? The EE revision fixing for example the short loop bug is documented, so it perplexes me why I couldn't find anything regarding the GS.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 14:55:43 2018 No.4938172 >>4938164 Just merging EE and GS into one die would have required a silicon revision to both cores to make it work.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 15:00:58 2018 No.4938193 File: 57 KB, 640x480, kaigai01.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4938172 I know there's tons of shrinks, doesn't mean that they've fixed anything. Again, what was that they've fixed that made it work?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 15:10:01 2018 No.4938215 >>4938193 Beats me, but it doesn't change the fact that PS1 GPU instructions run on GS when you put a PS1 disk into the PS2.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 15:19:09 2018 No.4938234 >>4937556 >muh RGB what about for people who aren't autists?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 15:25:35 2018 No.4938242 File: 363 KB, 1153x925, 1519458871093.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4938234 where do you think we are

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 15:28:05 2018 No.4938246 >>4938234 I reckon it's less autistic than fitting a different colorburst oscillator so you can continue raping your eyes with "Muh composhite" ;-)

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 15:32:32 2018 No.4938259 >>4938234 But every TV I have has SCART and my PS1 already came with a official RGB SCART cable (the one with the flimsy plastic A/V connector on the PS side) 20 years ago >>4938246 This guy has a point

Anonymous Sat Jul 28 15:53:32 2018 No.4938315

>>4938215
I still can't find any information supporting your claim. Quite the contrary actually.
>Yep, PS2 is able to emulate PS1 software through a combination of hw (IOP) & sw (PS1 graphics emulation = PS1DRV)... The latter (PS1DRV) reads graphic params and initializes graphics emulator, rebooting IOP into PS1 mode. Despite of IOP take over control of PS2, the graphics is emulated using a special Sub-CPU Interface - SIF- DMA channel from the IOP to PS1DRV on the EE-side
>It looks like the EE is emulating the Playstation 2 GPU via the SIF2 channel (DMA channel 2 on the IOP-side), and deals with something known as the "PGIF" (Nobody seems to know what that is, and it is not documented anywhere but mentioned only in the EE kernel itself).
>Only the GPU of the PlayStation was always emulated in software within every revision of the PlayStation 2, by the EE. It's done over something that Sony seems to call the "PGIF".

Mind liking me to your sources?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 15:55:44 2018 No.4938323 >>4938315 You want to be linked to some sweaty neckbeard's ass? Ew anon.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 15:56:30 2018 No.4938326 >>4938315 Citation?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 15:57:03 2018 No.4938327 File: 86 KB, 500x500, 1532713219356.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4937131 I'm ok OP I have pic related.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 15:57:33 2018 No.4938329 >>4938323 If the sweaty neckbeard's ass has a PS1DRV documentation or source code tattooed on it why not?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 15:57:47 2018 No.4938330 >>4938327 Do a reball with lead solder.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 16:01:02 2018 No.4938336 >>4938329 I think you didn't get the joke. The source being his ass. Like pulled out of his ass. I actually think his statement is true though, but I'll also wait for a source.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 16:03:40 2018 No.4938340 >>4938326 1st quote - doctorxyz 2nd and 3rd quote - SP193 If that's what you're asking. >>4938336 I did get it. Humor online is hard.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 16:04:37 2018 No.4938341 What I like right now is that I already know the facts to this argument but don't really feel like dropping myself into the conversation, specially between retarded buttblasters on a reddit knitting forum.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 16:06:50 2018 No.4938348 >>4938330 My fat ps3 has had no problems since I softmodded it and kept the fan running at a higher speed. But thanks anyways anon.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 16:08:36 2018 No.4938354 >>4938348 If you have a later generation FAT and do a reball, you can have it run very silently and last forever.

Anonymous Sat Jul 28 16:47:35 2018 No.4938421
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>>4938315
The "PGIF" just sounds like the GIF. It's what connects EE to GS. So if the emulation is done over GIF, it basically means that the overseer program PS1DRV is using GS for its 'emulation' of the PS1 GPU.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 16:52:46 2018 No.4938436 File: 352 KB, 602x601, gif.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4938421 It does, but they're 2 different things.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 16:59:09 2018 No.4938448 >>4938436 If I had a guess what PGIF was, it's probably a special interface for IOP to directly connect to GIF (and thus GS) with as little arbitration in the middle as possible.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 17:17:44 2018 No.4938476 >>4938448 That's retarded. Why would you go through EE (and VU1) if the IOP can access GS directly over system bus? IOP->VU1 goes over VIF1, not PGIF so that's not it.

Anonymous Sat Jul 28 17:38:54 2018 No.4938515

>>4938476
>Why would you go through EE (and VU1) if the IOP can access GS directly over system bus?
The system bus is through EE though. Anyway, the whole point of a direct interface is so IOP doesn't have to go through VU1 (which means it doesn't have to go through VIF1). Pretty sure everything along the system bus has to go through GIF to get to GS.

Either that or PGIF actually has its own pins that go directly to GS. It could stand for Processor Graphical Interface, Processor meaning IOP.

In any case, the reason I'm standing by this theory is because the alternative (EE does PS1 GPU rendering in software) is completely idiotic. Why would Sony design GS with all of the detrimental fucked up PS1 quirks unless it was going to be used for BC? Using the hardware in this way is also consummate with the way they used the PS2's audio chip, which is basically two "enhanced" PS1 audio chips duct taped together. Why would they limit enhancements only to texture filtering if the rasterization was in software? The whole power of the EE could easily handle the entire rasterizing the whole PS1 library at 640x480. Why did they even include the MIPS IOP in the first place if they were just gonna do software rendering?

The idea that GS isn't majorly used for PS1 backwards compatibility borders on the insane.

Anonymous Sat Jul 28 17:43:41 2018 No.4938527

This thread is a massive heap of mumbo jumbo.

Do you claim: You can download PSX ISO's, load them onto your HDD, and play them WITHOUT emulation?

If so, provide a video as source. Literally everything to do with PS2 has a video guide and exhibition.

If NOT:
Fuck you and your massive campaign of disinfo

Anonymous Sat Jul 28 18:11:25 2018 No.4938576

>>4938515
>Why would they limit enhancements only to texture filtering if the rasterization was in software?
At launch they said that even though the PS2 could do that, the only enhancements would be the texture smoothening and fast disc reading to maintain perfect compatibility. I might find the exact quote later.
>Why did they even include the MIPS IOP in the first place if they were just gonna do software rendering?
That's what they were trying to achieve with POPS later on, however the compatibility suffered.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 18:58:54 2018 No.4938665 >>4938515 PGIF is SIF. Its naming is dependent on whether it's being used in PS1 mode where it serves the purpose of GIF, or PS2 mode where it's a general purpose SubCPU interface. Nothing more.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 19:01:33 2018 No.4938669 I have a junk ps2, can I really play ps1 games from the HDD?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 19:27:57 2018 No.4938728 >>4938669 seconding this... i have a slim PS2 with FMcBoot, no modchip. I can run games from a USB flashdrive at he moment and would like to know if i can do the same with PS1 games. I would like that better than loading Isos on my modded PS3.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 28 19:32:00 2018 No.4938738 >>4938728 Is that usb thing a good option?. I dont think I even have the cables for the console

babbage's gramps !RATGzMALLY Sat Jul 28 19:54:35 2018 No.4938789

>>4937767
Don't blame me. I tried to inform everyone here when a batch of them were discovered in France a couple years ago and caught a 1 day ban for shilling. Got mine tho

You can still find a PS2 with one installed pop up now and then on eBay for decent prices if you watch closely, kind of like how a lot of anons got their Gamecube progressive scan cables.

Anonymous Sat Jul 28 20:08:50 2018 No.4938819

>>4938728
>>4938669
>>4938527

I'm certain the one dude that stated this was only interested in starting an argument and finding an excuse to brag about how much of a "retro computer geek" he was before getting dogpiled and ran out for stating complete bullshit repeatedly.

Aside from the shitty popstarter homebrew anons have brought up, you can't do it. At all. That's just the reality of it right now.

Anonymous Sun Jul 29 01:14:23 2018 No.4939403

>>4938576
>the only enhancements would be the texture smoothening and fast disc reading to maintain perfect compatibility
Except that quote only makes sense if rasterisation was on GS. Rendering at a high resolution in software would not affect compatibility at all.

>>4938665
Well that’s exactly my point then. It’s SIF when it’s a mere I/O interface in PS2 mode, but a connection to GS one way or another when in PS1 mode. No software rasterisation happens between the IOP, PGIF and GS.

Anonymous Sun Jul 29 01:21:17 2018 No.4939420

>>4938738
no, they run slow as fuck because it's usb 1.0. i've heard running an ethernet cable to an SMB share works better.

>>4937740
common way to load burned games back when lik-sang was still a thing. free mcboot is a better option nowadays.

my interest level in the PSIO depends on pricing, if they're cheap enough i'll pick one up but i've already got a chipped ps1.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 29 01:25:17 2018 No.4939434 >>4939420 this is the thing I use https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0Pzp5Q3Ov4

Anonymous Sun Jul 29 01:43:37 2018 No.4939464

I've been running my PS1 CD backups by using the swap trick on a Slim PS2 with the elf file that stops the disc so you can make the swap. Is this a retarded way to play SP1 games? I have like 100 Burned CDs....please tell me I didn't fuck up. the only 2 games that didn't work were pepsiman (no music in 1st level), & the PS Magazine issue with the Jade cocoon demo crashed on me, but I always thought those were bad rips or that the PS2 just can't play those 2 titles properly.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 29 03:40:24 2018 No.4939605 >needs to modify your ps to make this shit work

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 29 04:06:14 2018 No.4939623 >>4939605 >needs to buy overpriced games on the artificially inflated retro games market in order to play said games on real hardware

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 29 04:13:23 2018 No.4939627 >>4938738 Best option FAT with internal HDD, second is ethernet, third is USB.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 29 04:17:21 2018 No.4939630 >>4938819 But we have been talking this whole time.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 29 04:34:07 2018 No.4939643 >>4939420 >no, they run slow as fuck because it's usb 1.0 It's USB 1.1 and with the newest drivers it works more or less fine, even FMVs play smoothly without stuttering.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 29 04:57:36 2018 No.4939667 I see there are some SATA chinese adapters for HDD anyone has experience with them?, the original was IDE only

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 29 05:01:54 2018 No.4939671 >>4937131 I load my PS1 games onto my PSP Go connected to a PS3 controller and my CRT via component.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 29 05:15:33 2018 No.4939696 i hope they make wipeout work since the demo version works

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 29 05:27:46 2018 No.4939712 >>4937131 Is PSIO even a native solution? One would say yes obviously, but last I saw Wipeout XL didn't work properly which is mindblowing to me how non-emulation still has issues on a per-game basis. I don't want to buy this thing and get robbed.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 29 05:32:16 2018 No.4939719 >>4939643 Source for driver? This is new to me.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 29 05:40:29 2018 No.4939731 >>4939719 https://github.com/ifcaro/Open-PS2-Loader/releases/download/0.9.3/OpenPS2Loader_0.9.3_Betas.zip

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 29 05:46:30 2018 No.4939738 >>4939643 >even FMVs play smoothly without stuttering. Proof?

Anonymous Sun Jul 29 05:47:50 2018 No.4939741

>>4939667
They work fine, it's just a SATA to PATA bridge inside a clone HDD adapter. Slightly prettier than a home hack job would look.
Might as well use a original one though if you're going to use a SSD as it will fit nicely with the adapter, plus you'll also have ethernet, even if you'll never use it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 29 05:59:38 2018 No.4939768 The PS3 sucks for PS1 because it can't do 240p

Anonymous Sun Jul 29 11:36:14 2018 No.4940328

>>4937556
>This is irrelevant when you use RGB.
no, it's not, the frequency is still off.
>>4937552
>You do know that PS2 backwards compatibility was an official thing.
yes, and POPS runs as PS2-program. The console is never reset into PS1-mode, ergo software-emulation.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 29 15:25:03 2018 No.4940894 >>4939731 Just tried this with a few games, FMV's are still stuttering. The changelog mentions USB improvements but I can't see them.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 29 15:26:40 2018 No.4940898 >>4940328 >no, it's not, the frequency is still off. What are you talking about brainlet, colour over RGB is different from over composite.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 29 15:38:17 2018 No.4940923 >>4940898 You really shouldn't reply to that guy anymore, he's just getting things wrong for attention.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 29 15:48:47 2018 No.4940941 >>4940923 He is correct with the POPS stuff.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 29 15:52:51 2018 No.4940950 >>4940941 Fuck off already, this is not a thread about that.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 29 15:54:46 2018 No.4940953 >>4940328 >ergo software-emulation. I'm sure it's not that simple, since both share the same architecture of processors, it might be more like virtualization.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 29 18:16:48 2018 No.4941242 >>4938789 I appreciated it, I bought one from the ebay seller in France a few years ago on your reco. I've only used it for doing the disc swap trick to play original Japanese PS1 games so far

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 29 19:34:27 2018 No.4941424 >>4939667 >SATA would a 7400 RPM sata drive really help SP1 games load off a hard drive?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 30 13:24:50 2018 No.4942418 >>4941424 It's for PS2, SATA adapters make more sense as SATA drives are more widely available and more reliable. The biggest bottleneck is seek time though, that's true.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 30 14:02:38 2018 No.4942485 >Who's hyped? ME. I'm also kind of nervous because I've never soldered before though.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 30 14:22:21 2018 No.4942537 >this fucking shitshow of a thread can someone just fucking tell me if theres any alternatives to this? No i dont want gay ass emulation

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 30 15:20:59 2018 No.4942664 >>4942537 modchip your ps1 and burn some cd's

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 30 16:02:27 2018 No.4942736 >>4940898 >What are you talking about brainlet read and learn a thing or two: https://nfggames.com/forum2/index.php?topic=5744.msg39689#msg39689

Anonymous Mon Jul 30 16:18:44 2018 No.4942762
File: 2.84 MB, 5312x2988, psx laser sled change.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

Been using a modded game shark for years with burned media. Never a single issue. Lasers are $20-30 and need replaced once.

If this psio actually works well would the PSX actually become more valuable as a hipster centerpiece?....other then being a meme cd player

PSX are dirt cheap on the internet. Would there ever be a rise in price? is now a good time to start collecting? Id like to rip off some nostalgia nerds in the next 5 years.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 30 18:10:43 2018 No.4943000 >>4937503 nice bait but you're way off. POPS is shit with FAT or SLIM through FMB

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 30 18:16:50 2018 No.4943015 >>4942537 What >>4942664 said, alternatively you can hack a gameshark to load cd's too. That's literally it though, this whole thread was one idiot baiting everyone with false info over and over.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 31 01:37:40 2018 No.4943910 >>4937164 i have a 2tb sata drive hooked up to my slim and i have no room for ps1 ganes

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 31 01:56:00 2018 No.4943940 >>4943910 Sara drive on a ps2 slim? How?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 31 02:00:56 2018 No.4943946 >>4937138 It's basically a PS2 so why would it be?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 31 02:01:38 2018 No.4943949 File: 52 KB, 800x681, sata ide adopter.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4943940

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 31 02:02:12 2018 No.4943950 >>4937519 No it's indeed what isn't.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 31 10:21:23 2018 No.4944670 >>4943940 on a first-version slim (scph70000) you can solder an IDE-cable to the solder-pads of the removed drive-connector and then use >>4943949 . too bad that model has other serious issues.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 31 11:42:29 2018 No.4944875 >>4944670 You don't have to solder anything, just pop in the connector or buy a ready made SATA PS2 HDD adapter (beware, cheap ones have no ethernet)

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 31 11:47:04 2018 No.4944890 >people still think POPS is full software emulation It's both and it's neither, it's like using virtualization software on a PC instead of DOSBox (with native being running it directly on the host/hardware).

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 31 12:43:21 2018 No.4945021 >>4944875 >(beware, cheap ones have no ethernet) No network adapter other than genuine Sony ones have ethernet.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 31 17:01:09 2018 No.4945594 >>4945021 >No network adapter other than genuine Sony ones have ethernet. There are ones that use the normal Sony PCB but with a proper cut out metal shield and built in SATA adapter. Those are more expensive.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 1 00:05:18 2018 No.4946450 >>4937131 THANK ME LATTER! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKNL9PZM11o&t=463s

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 1 00:36:06 2018 No.4946481 >>4939623 What? My modded original psx still works. You can still download and burn games for free.

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 1 08:27:44 2018 No.4946992 >>4944875 >just pop in the connector >slim pick 1

>>	Anonymous Wed Aug 1 08:38:18 2018 No.4947003 >>4946450 This is old news, retro PC faggots have been doing this for years. But good you posted this, it is a good idea.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 2 11:01:51 2018 No.4949480 >>4946481 I'm with you on this one. Why the fuck would anyone spend $150 on this shit? There's a free loader with the gameshark, you don't even need to mod your ps1 to play burned games.

Anonymous Thu Aug 2 11:51:21 2018 No.4949578

>>4949480
Is it easier to get one of these than the correct gameshark? I remember trying in vain to get the right Action Replay back when you could flash them as a full on dev tool. You had to have 1 specific revision and surprise surprise it was long discontinued by the time the mod got popular.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 2 12:08:17 2018 No.4949604 >>4949578 You can get an MM3 chip for $8

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 2 19:20:06 2018 No.4950380 >>4949578 You can flash the unirom homebrew to just about any gameshark now I think, they're not hard to get a hold of.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 2 21:09:52 2018 No.4950549 >>4949604 8 bucks? I got mine for 3 with free shipping

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 3 07:01:58 2018 No.4951245 File: 3.50 MB, 2448x3264, IMG_20180803_120030851.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4949578 >>4950380 This. Mine's on pic related 50p piece of shit.

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