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4924106

Shaders Anonymous Mon Jul 23 03:55:13 2018 No.4924106 [Reply] [Original]

I'd like to talk about high-fidelity shaders. What do you recommend for each platform?

For Famicom, there are many options for NTSC video simulation on top of CRT effects. The two that I looked at were GTU-Famicom, which generates a highly saturated image with noticeable cross color artifacts when paused, and the NTSC-NES shader bundled with Retroarch that generates an image that is far more dull, but could be more accurate, and also doesn't show nearly as much evidence of cross component artifacts in frozen frames, which I like. Both require the use of a raw palette. I also added an 8px overscan both horizontally and vertically.

For CRT simulation, I simply added a shader pass and selected CRT-Lottes, since it has a good reputation and curves by default, and CRT-Royale is unusable in combination with other presets without editing shaders directly. This screenshot is from the second configuration that I will be sticking with unless I can find something better. Of course the artifacts stick out in a screenshot, but in motion the image oscillates such that they are barely noticeable, and not at all from a distance, having a smoothing effect on the image and making it look less artificial.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 23 03:59:33 2018 No.4924116 >>4924106 >This obvious, convex CRT effect Stop.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 23 04:32:50 2018 No.4924158 >>4924106 >What do you recommend for each platform? i recommend getting a cheap CRT

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 23 04:56:47 2018 No.4924178 >>4924106 http://emulation.gametechwiki.com/index.php/CRT_Shaders http://emulation.gametechwiki.com/index.php/NTSC_Filters

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 23 05:00:24 2018 No.4924184 >>4924106 Faking that much curve looks like poodoo when there's no real life depth. I usually just simulate composite video distortion for consoles, and LCD filters for handhelds.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 23 05:02:34 2018 No.4924190 >>4924158 Most of what's attributed to CRTs has nothing to do with the tube, and it's not easy to get composite video output from a current PC.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 23 05:06:33 2018 No.4924195 >>4924184 I don't simulate the phosphors/lines because too much brightness is lost and I don't like it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 23 06:48:04 2018 No.4924331 >>4924190 You can get a CRT monitor

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 23 06:53:18 2018 No.4924339 >>4924331 Composite video blur and dot crawl, which I like, have little to do with the tube. VGA tubes don't do it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 23 09:09:35 2018 No.4924515 File: 310 KB, 1008x756, pink rooper crt.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4924106 you're doing it wrong

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 23 09:51:31 2018 No.4924564 >>4924515 >playing Japanese games in English No, you're doing it wrong.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 23 09:53:19 2018 No.4924567 >>4924564 I'm not the one emulating

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Anonymous Mon Jul 23 10:22:51 2018 No.4924602
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How about this one? I used the Composite filter included with Mesen, original hardware palette, and Lotte Halation CRT shader. It is nicer on the colours.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 23 10:24:25 2018 No.4924606 File: 63 KB, 640x480, fuck off and scram.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4924602

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 23 10:35:33 2018 No.4924623 The only problem remaining is dot crawl, for some reason I can't find a combination that displays it visibly in 4K. Any idea?

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Anonymous Mon Jul 23 20:27:33 2018 No.4926014

>>4924106
>What do you recommend for each platform?
I don't recommend per platform, i recommend per display and what you want.
If you have a 4K display then you can use shaders like royale but only if you know how to configure it correctly - otherwise leave it alone as it looks fucking terrible at its default settings.
If you have a 1080p display then i recommend Easymode, but reduce the horizontal sharpness, increase the gamma coz it's far too low at default, and increase the strength of the scanlines ever so slightly.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 23 20:32:36 2018 No.4926026 File: 3.50 MB, 2390x1792, 1515540370292.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] just like remember it

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 23 20:57:11 2018 No.4926076 >>4926026 I had lot of flashing and the graphics were glowing. Also I remember a lens flare too.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 23 21:09:12 2018 No.4926108 >>4924190 use a wii if you have to emulate, or flashcarts.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 23 21:26:48 2018 No.4926148 guys it's cool i'm making a FPGA crt television to emulate on

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 24 04:46:57 2018 No.4926857 >>4926108 For NES and even a bit for SNES Wii composite will still look a lot cleaner since it's giving out RGB-valid colours and doing proper trap filtering on the luma to avoid colour fringing.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 24 04:49:24 2018 No.4926860 File: 612 KB, 1120x1008, 1525587787225.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] 3retro5me

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 24 04:52:46 2018 No.4926862 >>4926860 >being able to see anything at all Too unrealistic.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 24 04:54:22 2018 No.4926863 >>4926860 It's like you've never even seen a CRT before.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 24 04:55:46 2018 No.4926864 >>4924106 Which ones simulate bloom, poor convergence, linearity problems, and audio buzz on bright screens?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 24 05:10:56 2018 No.4926879 >>4926863 Why would a Gameboy game be on a CRT?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 24 05:22:24 2018 No.4926892 File: 250 KB, 1600x1085, retial_display[1].jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4926879

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 24 05:34:22 2018 No.4926902 >>4924106 What emulator do you, or anyone else here, use?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 24 06:12:53 2018 No.4926924 >>4926902 RetroArch, but it's too confusing for braindead retro gamers

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 24 06:20:05 2018 No.4926928 >>4926863 >that contrarian 8th grader who emulates handhelds with CRT shaders for authenticity and only talks about one grandma pop group because he was born in le wrong generation

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 24 06:27:27 2018 No.4926936 >>4926928 >emulates I have a custom AV out mod on my DMG you fucking pleb.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 24 06:29:45 2018 No.4926939 >>4926936 You miss some additional colors and translucency when you don't play on the shitty LCD. Emulation can be more accurate with that.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 24 06:32:10 2018 No.4926941 File: 3.57 MB, 2400x2160, 1529439318697.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 24 07:18:49 2018 No.4926982 Not retro on exclusively this forum, but is there a good way to simulate the dim + glare of a GBA?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 24 07:24:20 2018 No.4926986 >>4926982 buying one for like $20

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 24 07:47:04 2018 No.4927019 >>4926982 y?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 24 07:58:57 2018 No.4927030 File: 22 KB, 612x495, 1516896996489.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4924567 It's preferable to emulate if the alternative is to be a EOP.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 24 08:01:33 2018 No.4927034 clears throat Emulation is illegal. /thread

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 24 08:14:18 2018 No.4927045 >>4927034 fuck off reddit we don't care

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 24 08:20:31 2018 No.4927051 >>4927045 >reddit I wouldn't know about your trendy, modern online communities. I'll have you know that I was a member of SA which pretty much invented 4chan.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 24 08:39:24 2018 No.4927082 >>4927034 It literally isn't. I dump ROMs from my own cartridges.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 24 08:40:44 2018 No.4927084 File: 2.30 MB, 498x410, 1508694605573.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4927082 DMCA circumvention is even more illegal than just pirating the ROMs.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 24 08:42:53 2018 No.4927087 >>4927084 I don't distribute. If no one knows, it didn't happen.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 24 08:44:48 2018 No.4927093 >>4926026 is that crt royale?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 24 08:48:14 2018 No.4927103 >>4927093 crt royale wishes

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 24 08:50:55 2018 No.4927107 >>4927103 >>4927093 It's CRT-Quarter-Pounder >>4927103 CRT-Royale is better than this exaggerated scanline shit. Did you actually have a Trinitron?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 24 08:51:27 2018 No.4927108 >>4927051 and I was a member of Gaia which pretty much invented fuck off

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 24 08:54:20 2018 No.4927118 File: 1.25 MB, 1920x1440, 1531624180906.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4927107 >exaggerated scanline Real CRTs were even more pronounced.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 24 08:55:52 2018 No.4927123 File: 1.51 MB, 3840x2160, 1524476799059.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] The way it was meant to be played.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 24 08:58:27 2018 No.4927131 >>4927118 I wouldn't know. Never played those on anything but a slot mask.

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>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 24 10:13:39 2018 No.4927287 >>4927108 If only you knew how much we used to hate your kind here...

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 24 10:15:18 2018 No.4927293 >>4927084 Cartridges don't have copy protection so it doesn't count as circumvention. Now I would like to ask you to kindly remove your neurotypical ass from this board before you embarrass yourself further.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 24 10:16:48 2018 No.4927298 >>4927293 The fact that you need specialized (and in most places, illegal) hardware to dump the cartridge in the first place is copy protection.

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Anonymous Tue Jul 24 10:20:34 2018 No.4927312

>>4927298
It's not like you need some hardware made by Bung to do it nowadays. A Retrode is hardly something that could be argued is only suitable for illegal purposes in court. They'd go after flash cart makers before they ever wasted their time and money on a court case they would most likely lose like that.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 24 10:21:43 2018 No.4927315 >>4927287 I was aware lol. I remember the GD vs. /b/ days. Never thought I'd end up here

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 24 10:50:43 2018 No.4927382 File: 1.30 MB, 2592x1936, 1527133466280.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >scanlines don't exi--

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 24 10:52:17 2018 No.4927389 >>4927382 Angles and curves look better on shadow masks.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 24 10:54:07 2018 No.4927393 File: 731 KB, 810x730, 1516499218555.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 24 10:56:15 2018 No.4927398 File: 958 KB, 2650x3360, 1524744707727.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4927107 t.kid who never saw a real CRT in his life

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 24 11:00:34 2018 No.4927412 >>4927398 born in 1989, prefer slot masks or PC shadow masks.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 25 04:48:46 2018 No.4929395 >>4926864 don't forget about glare and reflections also I want it to say "input" at the top whenever there's no rom loaded

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 25 06:26:35 2018 No.4929510 >>4929395 emuvr has you senpai