/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.4911236]

Was Playstation a godsend or a horseman of gaming apocalypse?
It's unarguable that there is no library as big and various as Playstation one, but did it kill gaming? Or it's the opposite, it enriched gaming?

[Anonymous No.4911246]

>demo discs
>cd roms cheap to produce passed along savings to the consumer with low prices
>700mb storage
>link cables for lan parting command and conquer games
>cd player built in


It was a godsend

[Anonymous No.4911248]

If you think about it, is the corruption of sony by western companies that made gaming go to shit
Just look at the PS4 and you will see that everything wrong is thanks to westerners
In a few words sony did nothing wrong other than give developers a platform to release their shit

[Anonymous No.4911375]

>>4911236
god damn look at those texture-mapped polygons

anything is possible

[Anonymous No.4911392]

It was the beginning of the end.

There was shovelware on previous consoles but the cheap CD media made it even cheaper to print out shovelware.

It did got a lot of non gamers to pick up a system for the CD player and playing sports shit sims.

The CD media also made developers lazy as fuck. While other devs were squeezing out every bit of a cartridge most PS devs used it as an excuse to fill discs with audio and movies. I feel like a lot of devs thought that it's OK if their game has poor game play as long as there's a lot of stuff for customers to watch.

[Anonymous No.4911408]

>>4911236
>horseman of gaming apocalypse
Yes. Letting the leash off third parties was a mistake we're currently paying for. Also, PLEASE tell me this demo was leaked.

[Anonymous No.4913584]

>>4911236
ricky plz

[Anonymous No.4913587]

>>4911392
pretty much this, getting rid of cartridges was a mistake and allowed companies to produce more shovelware garbage than ever before

[Anonymous No.4913595]

>>4913587
cringe

[Anonymous No.4913597]

>>4913595
not an argument

[Anonymous No.4913636]

>>4913595
actually not a bad game after u get past the ring levels

i've played many worse psx games than sm64 tbf

[Anonymous No.4913637]

>>4913636
Such as?

[Anonymous No.4913639]

The PS1 is my favourite console of all time and biggest source of nostalgia for me so I'm admittedly biased, but I feel it was the Original Xbox that killed gaming. Whilst I often find Top Hat Gaming Man too cringe to watch, I think he gives a good explanation here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSmPGhxVu0E

I won't deny that Sony started some bad trends, but I think most were inevitable regardless of if Sony did them first.

[Anonymous No.4913640]

>>4913637

[Anonymous No.4913641]

>>4911248
>Just look at the PS4 and you will see that everything wrong is thanks to westerners
What went wrong and how did westerners cause it?

[Anonymous No.4913650]

if i could go back. do it all again.. get a ps1 not a 64. get a ps2 not game cube. etc.

..I honestly wouldn't lol i love the 64 too much.

[Anonymous No.4913652]

>>4913641
Mediocre programmers, poor game design, and cinematic bullshit are all characteristics of western devs.

[Anonymous No.4913656]

>>4911236
Video games are still around, so no it didn't kill gaming. It enriched gaming and brought 3D to people that didn't have PCs.

Yeah there were a ton of questionable titles on the system, but none of those really matter 23 years later. People still play and talk about the good games that came out on the system.

[Anonymous No.4913659]

>>4913652
What? The west stomped the fuck out of japs in terms of coding.

How many jap game engines are people using now?

[Anonymous No.4913660]

so the psx didn't really damage anything the way that EA, ubisoft, blizzard, or whoever else pervert things. but i really hate the look of early 3d and since the psx was at the forefront, there wasn't much critical dialog about it. there is now, though. people have posted that image comparison...i forget what it's called. but anyway, the psx does 3d real retarded like.

[Anonymous No.4913667]

I view the PS1 as the console that brought "h4rdc0r3 g4merz" into the fold. These were generally brosephs who never played games before, but in they game with their loved of Madden and games with lots of guns & explosions. Their effect on the industry was noticeably transformative in a way I didn't like.

It was this same group that started screaming "FILTHY CASUALSSSSSSSSSSS" when the Wii came around and I couldn't help but smirk smugly at the irony.

[Anonymous No.4913671]

>>4911246
>>demo discs
People don't realize how great these were
I bought three games because of one demo disc alone
>Parappa the Rapper
>Bushido Blade
>Armored Core

[Anonymous No.4913672]

>>4913659
Carmack is one very talented guy, but he alone isn’t able to fix the west's reputation after countless western devs shat up every single platform known to man for 20 years straight. Japan hasn’t produced anywhere near the amount of mediocre shovelware the West has.

[Anonymous No.4913675]

>>4913639
yeah xboxhueg was kind of the chad of gaming systems back then.

[Anonymous No.4913682]

>>4911236
Doom, Half Life, Quake and GTA were the four horsemen of the gaming apocalypse

[Anonymous No.4913686]

>>4913667
i was about to call bullshits, but i asked someone and they said the same thing.

i had a different experience. i bought it because i thought tekken looked cool. but my first instinct was to get an n64. n64 had the gameplay, but i got to play FFtactics, mgs1, xenogears, twisted metal 2, bushido blade, oddworld: abe's exoddus, SotN, et al.

none of those have especially good gameplay, but i'd suicide if those games got wiped from my memory.

[Anonymous No.4913689]

>>4911236
It brought back Atari era "anyone can make anything for the platform" practices (what now gets called "shovelware") and turned consoles into dumbed-down PCs.

It hurt gaming more than it helped.

The PS2 still had a shitload of quality games, and the PS4 is easily the best console of this gen, but overall Sony (and even more so Microsoft) entering into the console business has done immeasurable harm to gaming.

If Sega had become the dominate force in gaming it'd probably have been for the better.

[Anonymous No.4913690]

>>4913671

I miss them

[Anonymous No.4913691]

>>4913682
This doesn't even make sense.

[Anonymous No.4913695]

>>4913691
Doom was the game that initially got the "Video games are Tetris, Minesweeper and Solitaire on my work computer" crowd to start playing and buying games, which probably wasn't the biggest positive.

[Anonymous No.4913705]

>>4913686
It's not a new analysis. Penny Arcade said pretty much the same thing 17 years ago.

https://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2001/06/04/the-sucking-introduction

[Anonymous No.4913719]

Modern video games aren't that bad. I mean, the last generation sucked but the Japanese video game industry has been making a comeback lately and the current generation is actually pretty good. Octopath Traveller puts many of the classic SNES/PS1 JRPGs to shame, for example.

[Anonymous No.4913720]

>>4913595
That one was bad due to executive meddling. Superman wasn't allowed to hurt people using his powers, which kind of made it impossible to do a good game using his power set, you were left with flying through rings in a city of kryptonite gas fog. They spent half the development time removing the good shit to appease the execs.

I recall there was a prototype of it that was actually better than the final game.

[Anonymous No.4913728]

>>4913672
>Japan hasn’t produced anywhere near the amount of mediocre shovelware the West has.

Oh holy shit you are so incredibly wrong. The PSX had thousands and thousands of shovelware released. You know the Sega Saturn, hailed for its great Japanese library? Literally half the library is either mah-jong games or visual novels or low budget crap like that.

It's just that you live in the west, so when you go to a game shop, you see Fifa 97-2017 in the $1 bin, not Omakase! Savers or Planet Joker or Doraemon games.

[Anonymous No.4913740]

>>4911236
Both!

They brought about the age of cd /dvd based media for gaming (no the sega cd, cdi, 3do or saturn didnt...neither did the pc.besides the pc, which had really slow cd drives at the time, they only made people not want to move to cds as a medium.)which made larger more robust games with better graphics and soundtracks, albeit the loading times sucked. The 3rd party development was amazing compared to nintendo and now wii see that nintendo is the shovelware and shitty practices king, by beating the dead horse that is mario, zelda, etc... and literally shoveling thousands of shitty gimicky shit on the nds and wii. Now with the vc titles that you can emulate for free and the shitty 64 emulation, what a piss poor excuse. They are lucky their cult following buys any piece crap collectible amiibo shit or classic edition shit thats literally free except a controller!

On the otherside, sony did bring the end of modern gaming, by creating the AAA platform we have. Where game studios are afraid of deviating from the easy money makers to come up with something new and good. From the ps1 through the ps4, AAA titles have been making debuts and successful franchises on sonys gaming machine. To name a few ips that helped push us to the breaking point that had succesful sony launches (regardless of exclusivity or not). Call of duty would be a huge factor, tony hawk, tomb raider, ff7, mgs, kingdom hearts(sadly), fucking resident evil (though the gc did bring us re4, which was a huge mistske in retrospect), spyro/crash/jak & daxter/ratchet n clank(all of which slowly became horribly shitty spinoffs). Each of the games i listed, was once considered to be great and certain titles, mostly earlier titles of these franchises are still considered great games, but they all have becone disguting hollow shells of their former glory. All thanks to tje playstation, mostly. Thankfully there are still people making waves, sadly bethesda is not one of them.

[Anonymous No.4913762]

XBOX killed gaming
>before XBOX consoles and PC had very distinctive games
>both were great and played to their strengths in different ways
>constant innovation, popular games weren't necessarily devoid of creativity
>XBOX arrives
>Microshit bribes western devs (who provided the backbone of the PC catalogue) to make games for XBOX since Japan doesn't care
>those games get dumbed down and lose their complexity from PC
>but at the same time aren't good arcades and memorable fun experiences like console games were until then
>end result is a mix of the worst aspects of console and pc games
>only SEGA tries to make actual console games but they don't sell a shit
>western journos are on microsoft' pockets and start bashing japanese games slowly
>by the time the 360 releases the damage is done and we only constant decline

[Anonymous No.4913781]

>>4913762
imagine being this delusional

[Anonymous No.4913784]

>>4913705
>that comic was 17 years ago.
Fuck I'm old.

That is however the exact memory I have. You kids just don't know what it was like back when computers and video games in general were just a thing for nerds to be in to.
You can kind of get the feel just playing stuff on GNU/Linux. Especially when its a game where in multiplayer it cordons off the Windows users and keeps them out.

[Anonymous No.4913804]

>>4913689

I was about to call bait, but after reading your post, it seems like a very good thought on this. Sega games always feel like games or gamey. There are some gamey games for all platforms, but they are really outweighted by muh cod, muh cinematics, etc. Honestly PC is the best modern gaming console, but consoles becoming pc-like has really harmed the industry. Games use the same engines, same architecture and end up feeling samey. I'm not saying there's not good games now, there are, but you really have to be careful or you end up with crap.

[Anonymous No.4913818]

>>4913804
Nintendo still manages to make more traditional 'consoles' both in terms of hardware and games. In fact because they're so strong in that aspect it makes it fairly difficult for anyone else to enter that market.

Xbox (and incidentally the PS4) both survive on Microsoft holding back the PC, making it more difficult to use as a casual gaming appliance for people who want that kind of experience.

[Anonymous No.4913826]

>>4913672
Japan produces just as much shovelware as the west; most of it usually doesn't leave Japan though.

[Anonymous No.4913829]

>>4913705
This is so goddamn embarrassing.

[Anonymous No.4913839]

>>4913829
What's embarrassing is comparing those old strips to the new ones. WTF happened?

[Anonymous No.4913857]

>>4911236
> but did it kill gaming

Considering gaming is even bigger now than it was then, how could you think this?

[Anonymous No.4913858]

>>4911392
>It did got a lot of non gamers to pick up a system

This is a bad thing?

[Anonymous No.4913864]

The 5th gen was a strange time. It fixed many of the faults with prior gens but paved the way for a lot of things that would go wrong later.

[Anonymous No.4913874]

This thread
>normie chads took away my comfy nintendo cartridges REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[Anonymous No.4913882]

>>4913857
He almost certainly meant "kill the spirit of gaming," like someone might say a hugely successful new album killed a band because it changed their sound/spirit/mojo/motivation/ambition/whatever.

[Anonymous No.4913906]

>>4913882
Ahh so just typical hipster whining. Makes sense but I think that's equally ridiculous.

[Anonymous No.4913910]

>>4913906
Personally my metric doesn't factor in the audience, only the product. At the end of the day, quality is all that matters.

[Anonymous No.4913914]

>>4913906
>being content with modern gaming
How's having 69IQ and shit taste going for you?

[Anonymous No.4913925]

>>4913914
>>>/v/

[Anonymous No.4913926]

It was good.

Microsoft had a pretty negative impact with how they charged for online and somehow consumers let them get away with it.

Sony was good overall pushing things further and further, creating first party studios to make games that would sell the system and raising the bar on quality.

Also apparently the ps1 had a good dac. Fucking audiophiles tho.

[Anonymous No.4913929]

>>4913926
SEGA started the practice of charging for online play.

[Anonymous No.4913930]

>>4913926

If you ever feel bad about your retro addiction just remember people do shit like this in 2018.

[Anonymous No.4913932]

>>4913929

Wasn't that just for their wacky dialup service?

[Anonymous No.4913945]

>>4913932
Not really relevant, since you also had to pay monthly to play PSO on top of that. Every shitty 90s MMO did it too. The industry was headed that way long before Microsoft entered the race. Companies exist to make money, and they will do so in any way they can; it's the nature of business and no single company can be scapegoated, regardless of how bad /vr/ wants it. Not to mention any discussion beyond that is not retro.

[Anonymous No.4913948]

>>4913671
I bought Einhander because of one.

[Anonymous No.4913949]

>>4913874
>this thread.
>implying it hasn't been like this for the past 20 years.

[Anonymous No.4913958]

>>4913945

Paying Sega for your dialup connectivity vs say AOL is dramatically different.

Pso wasn't the only online game on Dreamcast either.

I 100% tip my hat to Microsoft for pulling that shit off. They literally charged people for something EVERYONE else gave away for free. (With the exception of MMOs which is another topic )

[Anonymous No.4913959]

>>4913948
I bought a bunch of boxes of cereal because of them

[Anonymous No.4914053]

>>4913906
I think its less a microcosm event and more of a macrocosm thats structure is the very nature of life and to put it in a wierd way the "survival of the fittest" in a societies social structure. Videogames just play what could be called a microcosm event (when viewed through the perspective of an individual living in that age) among many similar things that change with the generations. I.e. fashion, music, art, movies, to name a few. Its a generation to generation change that happenes every decade or so. Its been happening in mammals for a very long time.

[Anonymous No.4914060]

>>4914053
The decade thing only pertains to humans aa far as my knowledge goes. Other mammals have different birth rates and lifespans that play a role in their changing of generations.

[Anonymous No.4914069]

>>4913925
>redirecting a pro-retro anon to a board that only talks about shitty new games
I don't think you quite understand how that meme works, lad, you can't just use it on anyone that triggers you.

[Anonymous No.4914074]

The thing I like about the PS1 is that I still discover games I never heard about that were released years ago.

[Anonymous No.4914076]

>>4914074
But are the games you discover any good?

[Anonymous No.4914096]

>>4914076
What defines "good" with retro games in the modern age is merely suggestive, as what people have probably acclaimed what was good back then would possibly be seen as shit now, and vice versa. It goes even beyond that, as what I deem as "good", may not fit what you would call "good".

But to answer your question, a couple of the ones that I had found that I really enjoyed enough to buy physical versions of are Advan Racing, Turnabout, iS: Internal Section, and One

[Anonymous No.4914103]

>>4913910
How I see it, a product that finds an audience that enjpys it is good, even if I am not part of that audience.

>>4913914
The implication being that your preference represents "good" taste and those that don't align are "shit". Hipsterism in a nushell.

>>4914053
Of course there is always change.

[Anonymous No.4914108]

>>4913691
Basically those four games killed off the single most creative and fruitful period of gaming — the era of the scotformer.

[Anonymous No.4914123]

>>4911236
the ps3, 360 and wii generation is what killed gaming.

[Anonymous No.4914127]

From what I gather, Sony was the first console manufacturer to outright buy developers for the sole purpose of keeping their games exclusive.
Hoo boy, could you imagine the shitstorm that would've flown if Nintendo was the one who bought out third party developers instead? They were literally Hitler for enforcing a seemingly US only policy of 2 year exclusivity, imagine if they bought a developer for full exclusivity.

[Anonymous No.4914131]

>>4914108
>>4914123
Lol

[Anonymous No.4914180]

Demo discs were fucking amazing

[Anonymous No.4914229]

The fifth generation sucked for consoles in general.

[Anonymous No.4914258]

>>4914131
I stand by my statement that 7th gen is what killed gaming.
>demonstrated that people will buy $1000 consoles even if it doesnt have games
>demonstrated that billions can be made off of clueless normalfags and old people
>demonstrated (further) that consumers will pay for online almost unconditionally
practically screamed at publishers that they can get away with any spiteful practices

[Anonymous No.4914263]

>>4914127
Surely you meant to post a picture of Psygnosis and not Naughty Dog.

[Anonymous No.4914267]

>>4913639
Thanks for wasting 20min of my time.
Never post this faggot again.

[Anonymous No.4914273]

>>4913640
Low effort meme

[Anonymous No.4914287]

>>4914267
He was right though.
Death of the arcade means the death of games. Games started in arcades.

[Anonymous No.4914308]

>>4913671
>>4911246
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SwQr1Xsg9E
this fucking music man

[Anonymous No.4914398]

>>4911246
>>4913671
I submit to you all the best Demo disc ever released on the PS1. So much awesome content on a single CD-ROM.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fa7WbFcRKdU

[Anonymous No.4914416]

>>4913705
Fucking horseshit. As if those kind of commercials didn't start with the Genesis. Also the Mortal Kombat commercials.

[Anonymous No.4914425]

>>4913728
Does anybody have a list of ps1 titles thats larger than wikipedias?

[Anonymous No.4914469]

>>4913858
The majority of PS owners didn't give a shit about parappa or twisted metal. They just wanted more shitty sports games and Disney games.

[Anonymous No.4914472]

>>4914469
you realize many good games, like the ones you mentioned, probably wouldn't have been created in the first place if psx didn't have a massive install base, right?

[Anonymous No.4914478]

>>4913689
PS4 is actually garbage and the result of the terrible trends the PSX started. "This" gen is over and 9th gen is where we are at.

The only actual "game console" for 8th gen was Wii U and nobody bought that because today's video game player is more interested in marketing and false promises from pre-rendered gameplay.

[Anonymous No.4914484]

>>4914472
PS4 has the massive installbase and none of those games received a sequel.

Wii U had a tiny installbase and for some reason Nintendo didn't stop making games.

Most of those classic Sony games only appeared to compete with Nintendo and Sega and to tell customers that Sony too had IPs.

It's a shame that Sony pretty much stopped funding creative first party games midway in the PS3 timeline in order to absorb bad practices from Microsoft like online fees and movie/music sales.

[Anonymous No.4914489]

>>4913958
Yeah remember when Microsoft had MSN Gaming Zone which was free and only shut down when Xbox Live started getting more customers. One of the biggest "fuck you"s to customers of their games.

[Anonymous No.4914563]

>>4914484
>PS4 has the massive installbase and none of those games received a sequel.
Not the same.Today is a wayyyyyy different business environment than the 90s. Publishers today are so risk averse because it takes Scrooge's gold swimming pool, 12962362621 developer team and three years of crunch to make a game with the high technical ceiling we have now. It's ridiculous. This is why they're pushing "games as service" + open world + cosmetic microtransactions and gave up doing self-contained single player games. Not as profitable, if at all. Better to develop a single "endless" game and extract as much money out of whales as possible.

The PSX having a huge install base made publishers less risk averse coupled with the fact it didn't cost a lot to produce a game back then, even a 3D one.
>Wii U had a tiny installbase and for some reason Nintendo didn't stop making games.
Ok, this is subjective but outside of W101 and Splatoon I don't see any interesting new Nintendo IPs on Wii U. They mostly just recycled the safest shit they always do by default without creating anything interesting because nobody bought the fucking thing. The more shovelware a system has the more hidden gems it will also have. PSX was a perfect example of that. So, ordinarily more normies buying Disney/Madden shit is good since that means business is good and you made a sound investment buying your console. The more Disney,Madden, Nintendogs means more LSD, Vagrant Story, Fatal Frame,etc...Except now. Now, it doesn't fucking matter. A vast majority of the interesting creative games being made today are by indie developers. The mainstream business is completely fucked. It's like if the only movies being made were focus-tested Michael Bay Explosion Pornos.

[Anonymous No.4914587]

>>4914287
>He was right though.

No, the Xbox was a godsend as it made porting PC games to consoles much easier and more straightforward to do. The 360 might be a cancerous piece of shit, but the Xbox was a step in the right direction with its fantastic controller, online play, built in storage, console adaptions of PC franchises (mechassault/mechwarrior), and decent hardware specs. People think that since the 360 was the console of choice for dudebros/chads therefore the original Xbox was as well, when the reality is the PS2 was that generation's dudebro/chad console. The only reason the PS3 didn't carry on the mantra was because it was too expensive for them to justify.

[Anonymous No.4914593]

>>4913682
Replace Half-Life with Madden and you got yourself a deal son.

[Anonymous No.4914613]

>>4914103
>How I see it
He was disagreeing with you dumbass. You said modern gaming must be good because it is popular, and then he replied that popularity is irrelevant. You can't then agree with him and keep your prior stance.

>Hipsterism in a nushell.
No you absolute moron hipsterism is liking obscure things because they are obscure. It has nothing to do with whether its old or new at all.

[Anonymous No.4914623]

>>4913958
XBL cost a yearly fee because it provided dedicated servers rather than relying on peer-to-peer connections like the PS2 did. So the price tag was justified. If you played PC games online back then there would always be ads on for the server you were connecting to asking for a donation to keep the server running. You would then run into issues where some guy who donated money to the server would get mod powers and abuse them. I remember this being a frequent problem in CS 1.6 servers. It wasn't until Halo 2 that microsoft switched XBL's architecture to rely on peer-to-peer connections, and which point is when XBL became a rip off. You can't just make blatant statements like that though without understanding the history.

[Anonymous No.4914627]

>>4913686
>none of those have especially good gameplay
Actually they do. Bushido Blade did something that basically no other fighter did to this day (or at least not that good), not to mention MGS1 and SotN.

I know we're supposed to be elitists and all, but don't downplay your favourites just because they may not be "/vr/ approved".

[Anonymous No.4914634]

>>4914469
>shitting on PS1 Disney games
Nigga I'll fight you.

[Anonymous No.4914661]

>>4914587
I was going to legit respond, but then-
>awesome controller
Okay, nvm.

[Anonymous No.4914669]

>>4913945
>you also had to pay monthly to play PSO on top of that
?
The only thing I had to pay to play PSO was the dial up connection to my ISP

[Anonymous No.4914968]

>>4914593
Madden was nothing new in that generation and they were solid games enjoyed by tons of people.

Being insular and insisting only some games are worth making is what could have killed games. But fortunately the opposite happened.

[Anonymous No.4914987]

>>4914469
While I disagree with that, both of those being very popular games, I also think it's great that the PS also marketed towards people who wanted sports games and people who wanted younger oriented Disney games. Both those gamer's tastes are just as valid as mine, it's purely a good thing that they get catered to as well.

It's variety that brings a large user base and in turn leads to a large and diverse library.

[Anonymous No.4915051]

>>4911236
It was like the second coming of the snes. Dreamcast felt like the third but was killed by a semi on the highway while driving home for spring break.

[Anonymous No.4915067]

>>4915051
More like it was hit by a bus full of partying normie frat chads am I right? Fucking xbox brotards playing their forza and halo and shit. Why couldn't they just play their gay sports and stay the fuck away from video games? I don't give a fuck about those games!

[Anonymous No.4915073]

>all these deleted posts
wtf

[Anonymous No.4915110]

>REEE NORMIES GETTING INTO MY HOBBY RUINED GAMING

Jesus, these opinions are painful to read.
If gaming is such a fucking weak industry that it can't survive normal people being interested in it, maybe it doesn't deserve to survive.

Of course, this is just your delusion that somehow greater availability of videogames is a bad thing. If only we still had region-locked consoles and chink overlords approving the developers making games for them as the only option, gaming would be so much better!
Just when I think I've seen the worst of corporate cock-sucking and defending of closed platforms, this place manages to surprise me again.

[Anonymous No.4915125]

>>4915073
Looks like trannyjanny had his daily spergout and pulled another wipe-all-posts-by-IP.

[Anonymous No.4915146]

>>4914669
PSO had that 'Hunters' License', I remember that bumming me out so much as a kid. They stopped it with the DC version, only to bring it back for the GC and Xbox ports.

[Anonymous No.4915218]

>>4911392
PS1 had no bad games, at least not in Japan.

[Anonymous No.4915314]

>>4914398
There seems to be only 2 good games in it though.

[Anonymous No.4915386]

>>4915218
This is one of the worst games ever created.

[Anonymous No.4915768]

>>4914425
http://psxdatacenter.com/
https://www.notforsaleparadise.com/

Games are still added occasionally to psxdatecenter and that site has been up for quite some time. The PS1 library is infinite.

[Anonymous No.4915925]

>>4914627
well, no.

- FFTactics is buggy and unbalanced. You can also fuck yourself if you save in the wrong place.
- MGS1 is extremely short
- Xenogears has a lot of JRPG problems, and you can fuck yourself if you save at a bad time. One of them is really late in the game.
- Twisted Metal 2 has a screwy difficulty curve and isn't balanced
- SotN is way too easy.

[Anonymous No.4916084]

>>4911392
>but the cheap CD media made it even cheaper to print out shovelware
I guess, but it's not like the NES didn't have lots of shovelware tier garbage, or looking at the Atari 2600, absolutely colossal amounts of garbage.

>and playing sports shit sims
>Fuck sportsball, am I right le fellow gentlemen?
It's not like there weren't Madden games on the Genesis or anything.

>While other devs were squeezing out every bit of a cartridge most PS devs used it as an excuse to fill discs with audio and movies
That was by absolute necessity, your cartridge might have only held 8kb of data, so you had to get REALLY creative if you wanted to make the most of it.
Saturo Iwata, bless his soul, was really good at this kind of thing, and he accomplished some great things with his skill and effort, but eventually this kind of optimization and squeezing for space became less relevant, and he had other talents where he was useful.

With a much larger storage medium, you can offset a lot of that effort and spend that time and money on something else. Making things easier isn't necessarily bad.

>most PS devs used it as an excuse to fill discs with audio and movies. I feel like a lot of devs thought that it's OK if their game has poor game play as long as there's a lot of stuff for customers to watch.
There was some of that, sure, but it's not like those were great devs with talents and prospects for greatness, they would have made shit on a small cartridge too.
Once again, you can see awful low effort shit a plenty with the NES and 2600.

It was all worth it for the devs which actually cared and made the most with the new technology. I'll gladly see a dozen awful and mediocre FMV games made if it meant that Resident Evil got made, you'll always have some mediocre or bad shit, there was NEVER any format or method of publishing which produced 100% gold all the time, and there never will be.

[Anonymous No.4916092]

>>4913587
See the Atari 2600, cartridge based, yet the majority of the games were mediocre or worthless.

[Anonymous No.4916098]

>>4913656
This is what it comes down to.

Who gives a fuck about the shit games and the absolutely mediocre ones? We're here to remember, play and enjoy the ones that stood on their own legs and which had strong merit.

[Anonymous No.4916140]

>>4911236
>Was Playstation a godsend or a horseman of gaming apocalypse?
Neither. It was a natural and inevitable continuation.
>but did it kill gaming?
Are you legally retarded?

[Anonymous No.4916216]

>>4913667
Hi MovieBob.

[Anonymous No.4916220]

>>4913682
>>4913695
>>4914593
>shooters ruined everything reeeee fucking jocks

[Anonymous No.4916496]

>>4914263
Psygnosis, Naughty Dog, and Single Trac were the three devs bought by Sony, and only Naughty Dog survives today; Single Trac underwent numerous restaffing and renaming before finally closing, and Sony recently closed Studio Liverpool, formerly Psygnosis.

[Anonymous No.4916586]

>>4916496
989 Studios? You forgot about Polyphony Digital.

[Anonymous No.4917480]

>>4915386
https://youtu.be/GwzqytYaJeU
What's so bad about it?