/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.4907318]

>b-but morrowind and baldurs gate 2 are the best cRP-
yeah no, bow down

[Anonymous No.4907371]

>>4907318
Make way for the Grand Triumvirate of classic CRPG series
Might & Magic
Ultima
Wizardry

[Anonymous No.4907375]

That's not Fallout

[Anonymous No.4907387]

>>4907375
it certainly isnt

[Anonymous No.4907398]

>>4907371
I can attest to the awesomeness of Wizardry.

[Anonymous No.4907403]

And it only took literally every DnD RPG before 1999 being absolute shit.

Seriously holy fuck, Dark Sun is the only good retro AD&D.

[Anonymous No.4907405]

>>4907398
ive always considered myself a big wizardry fan but have never touched the japanese stuff, big enough that i beat wizardry 4

[Anonymous No.4907438]

>>4907403
Dark Sun and Ravenloft are good. Too many Forgotten Realms games.

[Anonymous No.4907441]

>>4907405
Which ending? Have you forgotten something?

[Anonymous No.4907449]

Is thisthe DUAL ORB 2 of Crpg?

[Anonymous No.4907457]

>>4907318
Too bad it did a shit job of following the setting and rules it was based off. Great game, shitterrible adaptation, which is why it falls behind the FR titles of the day.

[Anonymous No.4907472]

>>4907441
one of the evil endings

[Anonymous No.4907481]

>>4907438
I'll give you Ravenloft, I haven't tried it. I've given every other one from back in the day at least a whirl though, some back when they were relatively new and others more recently, and holy balls most of them are awful.

[Anonymous No.4907489]

>>4907449
i thought everyone hater dualorb 2

[Anonymous No.4907491]

>>4907489
Dual Orb 2 is a meme.

[Anonymous No.4907494]

>>4907491
Explain further.

[Anonymous No.4907508]

>>4907494
It has sniper rifle and monster truck.

[Anonymous No.4907510]

>>4907491
Yes that's what I was asking, If OP was genuine or was trying to make this literally who? Crpg a meme

[Anonymous No.4907512]

>>4907494
Idiots are trying to force it to be /vr/'s Gentoo/Neutral Milk Hotel

[Anonymous No.4907517]

>>4907510
if dark sun is a literally who? crpg you must be new

[Anonymous No.4907682]

>>4907318
i still fire up dark sun at least once a year, its fucking amazing

[Anonymous No.4907691]

>>4907438
>>4907403
Yes. Dark Sun, Ravenloft and Menzoberranzan are good. Al-Qadim is also pretty decent. The Gold Box games blow chunks.

[Anonymous No.4907738]

>>4907318
Dude, right on.
This game was my jam.

[Anonymous No.4907740]

>>4907375
fallout?
more like sellout, amirite?

[Anonymous No.4907856]

>>4907318
>tfw I got bored and started shilling this on /v/ for days and suddenly I see it on /vr/ today

[Anonymous No.4907860]

>>4907691
>Ravenloft and Menzoberranzan are good
>The Gold Box games blow chunks.

[Anonymous No.4907868]

Bell
Book
Candle
Wheel
...and the Skull on Mondain to enter the Stygian abyss all those years ago in 1985.

F'in kids.

[Anonymous No.4907897]

>>4907860
It's true, my smug anime friend.

[Anonymous No.4907914]

Arcanum is the best cRPG though.

[Anonymous No.4907917]

>>4907868
>Candle
Anyone remember the Magic Candle series?

[Anonymous No.4907926]

>>4907691
>Menzoberranzan

Menzo was mediocrity incarnate. It was a bunch of incredibly average dungeon crawling, and the story is almost non-existent. It's like they totally forgot about it until the last minute, and shoe-horned that half-assed plot about that helmet into the last two levels. Look, I'm not expecting some grand epic story out of a dungeon-crawler, but Menzo makes EotB look like the fucking ILIAD.

[Anonymous No.4908079]

I'll never understand the meme that is Gold Box. It's so needlessly convoluted that it was literally unplayable until the companion app existed. Sorry but that old-school first-person perspective only works for dungeon crawlers, trying to make it work for town-based adventures just doesn't work.

Ultima and Wizardry were far better D&D games than most actual D&D games. Dark Sun was good too.

[Anonymous No.4908103]

>>4907917
Could never get into them, but the third one the four and the 40 looks really good.

[Anonymous No.4908196]

>>4907438
>>4907481
>>4907691
>He doesn't like Gold Box games
>He actually thinks they're bad

[Anonymous No.4908212]

>>4908079
>It's so needlessly convoluted that it was literally unplayable until the companion app existed.

Oh. You're just trolling.

It seems so obvious in hindsight....

[Anonymous No.4908308]

>>4908079
dark sun isnt gold box

[Anonymous No.4908371]

>>4907398
Isn't wizardry like a jrpg except with infinite random encounters and nothing else?

[Anonymous No.4908390]

>>4907403
being fair DnD is a pretty shit RPG system.

[Anonymous No.4908394]

>>4908371
>Isn't wizardry like a jrpg except with infinite random encounters and nothing else?
The absolute state of /vr/.

[Anonymous No.4908397]

>>4908371
Since when jrpgs have finite randon encounters?

[Anonymous No.4908403]

>>4908371
>Isn't wizardry like a jrpg
1-3 kind of, except the dungeons are actually designed well. 6-8 no, they are way different.

[Anonymous No.4909268]

Embarassed to say I learned about this game this year. Played it and it was honestly great, probably the first CRPG to have multiple quest solutions, choices impacting the endgame battle and primitive puzzles with items akin to Runescape that were kinda easy but still kinda entertaining.

Honestly a great game, not even mad that I got stuck on the last phase of the final battle because my party was underlevelled + I failed big time for not having a SINGLE fully multiclassed char, my main dmg dealer was not even dual classed.

[Anonymous No.4909353]

>>4908196
>Unironically liking Gold Box when there are plenty of better dungeon crawlers.
Pool of Radiance is okay, and I kinda like Spelljammer, but that's about it. The rest of the Radiance quartet are shit, Savage Frontier's shit, Krynn is shit.

[Anonymous No.4909538]

Isn't Dark Sun that grimdark so edgy setting that starts you at level 3 because the world is basically Australia?

[Anonymous No.4909787]

>>4909538
Yes.

[Anonymous No.4910038]

>>4909538

Yes, and ability scores went all the way to 25 well before endgame levels. It was basically a metal-less Australia full of psychics......and slightly less deadly wildlife.

....Yes, I said "less". Fuck Australia.

[Anonymous No.4910085]

>>4910038
the computer game doesn't catch that feeling though
being able to generate real fucking superheroes by DnD standards at the start makes pretty much all battles easy, except for the final one

that's my only complaint. it's good game design to let the player learn how to defeat new threats as the game progresses, but dark sun doesn't do that (at least how I remember, my only playthrough was around 2010).
You go through the game using the same strategy over and over, and then BOOM! now you have to fight a literal army. It was at that time that I learned the hard way that 1st level Wall of Fog is the most useful spell in the game =)

But, yeah, dark sun was really a fun a experience, and felt surprisingly innovative for its time. Feels like your playing a turn-based BG

[Anonymous No.4910659]

>>4910085
pretty much, they forgot that the world of Dark Sun is supposed to be leagues deadlier than the rest of the D&D settings

>felt surprisingly innovative for its time
It basically was, it set the core for the later 90s crpgs and they all drew from it

[Anonymous No.4910960]

>>4907403
This guy gets it. Dark Sun was the first D&D game that didn't make me violently ill

[Anonymous No.4911852]

>>4907318
This is one of my favorite old school games of all time. Tears of fucking joy right here, bros.

I wish they would make another. Unfortunately the direct sequel was an abortion.

[Anonymous No.4911963]

[Anonymous No.4912004]

>>4911963
nwn 2 is one of the worst games ever made

[Anonymous No.4912029]

>>4911963
>BG2
>NWN games
>RoA
>Shit Box games
>god tier
that's a terrible list

[Anonymous No.4912076]

>>4912029
Not as terrible as your opinion

[Anonymous No.4912135]

>>4911963
>Wake of the Ravager, Stone Prophet, Strahd's Possession are all on the same Mid Tier as things like Dungeon Master, and Fallout 1+2, and Mass Effect

For fuck's sake, you had about a 98% chance of not even being able to play Wake of the Ravager with all the fucking bugs. And I hope you like zillions of button searching for the two Ravenloft games. Strahd's possession had a THIRTEEN button sequence with 0 clues, that you had to press in exactly the right order to progress. And they were fucking tiny, almost impossible to spot. I am convinced that there are a grand total of zero people who played that game to completion without consulting a guide of some sort.

[Anonymous No.4912146]

>>4912135
people beat wizardry 4 without clues or guides

[Anonymous No.4912164]

>>4912146
I've never actually played the Wizardry series. What's so bad about it?

[Anonymous No.4912241]

>>4912164
wizardry 4 is maybe universally considered the hardest RPG ever made. enough people have written about it that i dont need to go into detail but basically every single aspect of the game(saving, leveling up, walking around, battling) has a negative effect on your character, that combined with the most insidious and cruel dungeon and puzzle design possible makes the game inconceivable to beat

[Anonymous No.4912504]

Any game using D&D mechanics can't by definition be good because D&D game mechanics are inherently dog shit. Lots of world building/lore (some also shit, some also interesting and okay). Most D&D games stay away from basically all the good shit in the entire game and stick to the shlup shit and tack on generic powa fantasy writing. That being said, Dark Sun takes place in one of the better campaign settings. So that alone puts it above every faerun game pretty much.

>>4911963
That list is utter dogshit. For fuck sake. You have EYE as not shit. You have Diablo as better than TL2. NWN2 greater than NWN1. KOTOR as decent and not higher than KOTOR2

It's like you forgot to actually play the fucking games. The gameplay, mechanics, bugginess, etc... make those examples basically null and fucking void. You might be whoring down fucking terrible stories and jerking off to how much it favors your fucking furry knight-kin self but no. As games those games are fucking terrible.

Also, Torment is a fucking book not a game.

[Anonymous No.4912697]

>>4911963
>Ultima IX and M&M IX in shit tier.

I'm a bit confused. Look, I want them to eventually create a ninth installment to those games too, but if you're going to go to all the trouble of photoshopping up some fake box covers.....why put them in shit tier?

[Anonymous No.4912710]

>>4912164
All the Wizadry games are superb dungeon crawlers. 1-5 might be /too/ old school for many, and 4 is basically what >>4912241 said.
IMO the best DOS era one is 6 and everyone should play 8 (with the fan fixes)

Someone made an auto mapper for Wiz 6, makes it a bit easier to play then needing a pen and graph paper.
https://www.moddb.com/mods/wizardry-6-automap-mod
Give it a try. Even with a guide they're tough games.

[Anonymous No.4912716]

>>4912697
>Whats a Paladin?

[Anonymous No.4913054]

>>4912716
>Stealing is wrong!

[Anonymous No.4913208]

great game, one of the best features is that you dont need a typical AD&D balanced party, have one elf druid/preserver flanked by three half giant gladiators and make the world your bitch

[Anonymous No.4913225]

>>4913208
>Not multiclassing to hell and back with the level but not XP cap.

Lame. My favorite party has 11 classes in between 4 people; yielding a party with everyone having a fighter class, as well as 2 psionics, 2 preservers, 2 divine casters, and a thief.

[Anonymous No.4913242]

>>4913225
I never had much use for thieves. My half giant gladiator gave no fucks about traps and smashed anything locked.

[Anonymous No.4913490]

>>4913242
I mean, you can win the game without one, but you're definitely playing with a handicap. And part of the problem is that the game has this bizarre method of detecting the capabilities of your party. You won't get prompts for thief abilities unless the thief is either your party leader or you're playing with a collapsed party, which you have to dig out of the options menu.

But they can do things like grab shit from NPCs you are talking to or climb up ledges that you can't ordinarily get through as a shortcut through areas.

[Anonymous No.4913503]

>>4907914

[Anonymous No.4914449]

Lets hail Lands Of Lore a bit. Great CRPG wasnt it ?

[Anonymous No.4914483]

>>4911963
REAL list here, ignore that shitter

[Anonymous No.4914505]

>>4914449
It's a great beginner crpg.

[Anonymous No.4914508]

>>4912135
This.

The button bullshit was unforgivable.

[Anonymous No.4914514]

>>4907318
A game with a setting I like which is utterly fucked up.

[Anonymous No.4914773]

>>4914483
>Again with this Ultima IX and M&M IX shit-tier nonsense.

Look, there's plenty of shitty rpg's out there. You don't have to make up a bunch of fictitious ones to pad out your list.

[Anonymous No.4914921]

>>4914773
They're there to give meaning to the term "shit". As in "what's shittier than the game not existing at all, if not in the shape of an unplayable cashgrabbing fanfic to taunt fans of what could have been"?

[Anonymous No.4915629]

>>4914505
not really.
I'm really not that familiar with first-person dungeon crawlers, but at least MnM3 and MnM4 are way more approachable than LoL 1.
that... fucking... drurakle dungeon
that... fucking... lvl 3 of amazon tower

seriously ! fuck ! that ! shit !
that is just not fun and is objectively bad game design

[Anonymous No.4915648]

>>4914483
JA 1 should be in mid tier
MnM World of Xeen should be in the same tier as Isles of Terra
Betrayal at Krondor should be 1 tier down

other than that a solid list

[Anonymous No.4915849]

>>4907868
Pray to God you don't use that skull!

[Anonymous No.4916013]

I never played the EotB trilogy.

Why is the third one so reviled, and why is the second one considered the best?

[Anonymous No.4916061]

>>4912164
Have you played Pool of Radiance?
Th first Gold box?
That pyramid,the one that would randomly teleport you without you knowing,that is what happens throughout wizardy 4.

[Anonymous No.4916081]

>>4916013
the second one is a solid sequel that improves upon the first game is most ways, better dungeons, better story

the third was developed by a completely different team and they built it in a new engine and tried to modernize it, this resulted in performance issues back in the day. but by and large the major problem is the difficulty. the playable world is very big and filled with powerful enemies that can be nearly invulnerable to certain parties. eventually your party will get worn down just exploring these massive dungeons

[Anonymous No.4916087]

>>4916061
oh god, floor #4 is just out of control, those fucking spinners will spit you out with no indication where you are and its actually possible to get trapped forcing a teleport all the way back to floor #8

i mean fuck

[Anonymous No.4916127]

>>4912504
>hurr durr x is dogshit and everyone that enjoys it is dumb

[Anonymous No.4916132]

>>4910038
What kind of a stupid fuck still thinks jokes about Australian animals are funny or relevant?

[Anonymous No.4916136]

>>4916132
some people

[Anonymous No.4916161]

>>4910085
This game looks legit and I hate 90's CRPGs. How can I play it on linux?

[Anonymous No.4916772]

>>4916161
>How can I play it on linux?
sudo apt-get install dosbox

[Anonymous No.4916805]

>>4916132
Literally everyone in the world except Australians. Mate.

[Anonymous No.4916820]

>>4907318
That isn't Daggerfall.

[Anonymous No.4916947]

>>4907403
Wrong.

[Anonymous No.4916951]

How DO you win the final battle? I guess since I was a dumb kid when I played this I went for pure damage over area effect debuffs I didn't understand, but what's a good strategy?

[Anonymous No.4916952]

>>4916081
It's the easiest game in the series. Past the (fully optional) crypt at the beggining you can kill almost every enemy with a single all-attack. Those few enemies resistant to physical attacks still die to a single cone of cold. You clearly never played through it as do most who shit on it.

[Anonymous No.4916961]

>>4916952
Even the crypt isn't that difficult if you simply equip maces. The undead beasts have massive damage resitance against edged weapons and magic but with blunt weapons they still die in 2-3 hits each.

[Anonymous No.4916969]

>>4916951
you can use one of your wishes to get rid of a entire wave along with another that heals you after the first wave then you use AoE spells to wipe out huge groups of enemies

[Anonymous No.4916970]

>>4916947
This is a really good game, one of my favorite D&D games, but it's not an RPG. I mean, if we're counting non-RPGs then we could count those D&D arcade beat-em ups. There's another D&D grand strategy game called Fantasy Empires, too, that was really bad.

[Anonymous No.4917063]

>>4916951
Easiest way is to use a pair of web spells to make a box around your starting position that the bad guys get stuck on. Give the shimmer leather to your best fighter with El's drinker, and toss around a bunch of ironskin apples to everyone for protection. Pick apart the guys stuck in the web 1 by 1 by 1.

[Anonymous No.4917361]

>>4916081
>powerful enemies that can be nearly invulnerable to certain parties
Please elaborate. I played EoB 3 in late 90s, not finished though.

[Anonymous No.4917404]

>>4911963
Is there a list like this for JRPG?

[Anonymous No.4917409]

>>4917404
everything would be in shit tier

[Anonymous No.4917465]

>>4915648
>Betrayal at Krondor should be 1 tier down
>Krondor should be lower than Diablo
lol

[Anonymous No.4917572]

>>4917404
JRPGs are so well-known and loved that you could find a list anywhere. You don't need some edgelord on 4chan to make a list.

[Anonymous No.4919097]

>>4916970
I had that game as a kid. I liked how it looked. I didn't think it was terrible then, but I figured I was just bad at it.

[Anonymous No.4919117]

>>4916970
>Fantasy Empires
I tried it years ago by mistake. I was looking for another fantasy strategy game, Fantasy Generals. I didn't remember the title, only knew it has the word Fantasy in the title. Browsing HotU in mid 2000, found Fantasy Empires. Tried it, didn't understand anything. And I was an AD&D CRPG fans.

[Anonymous No.4919580]

>>4911963
>>4914483
Nox isnt even an RPG, you cumnugget. It's an action/adventure
You have no influence on your character (or really, pretty much anything) whatsoever - unless you run away from pretty much all combat you are guaranteed to be the exact level developers wanted you to be at points they wanted you to.
And no, inventory and items are not really RPG elements either, or Zelda would've been one.

Nox is a good action game, but even if you consider it an RPG through some ridiculous leaps of logic, it would be shit as an RPG regardless.

When it came out stupid game journos for some reason equated it to Diablo, even though the only thing they have in common is isometric perspective, and then labeled it as RPG because Diablo was considered one.

[Anonymous No.4919703]

>>4907398
Only played 1 (never really got that far) and the one on PS3. Would love to try the others but my willingness to deal with things like warping and enemies that can just decapitate you made me not really care to touch it.

[Anonymous No.4919772]

>>4916772
Okay, so I tried it and I couldn't get past the first fight because it was so shitty. Spell check failed, shitty music and art style. I guess I'll try lands of lore next.

[Anonymous No.4919775]

>>4919772
go back to /v/

[Anonymous No.4919836]

>>4919775
I'm a 35 year old JRPGfag, so no

[Anonymous No.4919847]

>>4919836
>JRPGfag

Try Albion.

[Anonymous No.4920361]

>>4919836
>35 year old JRPGfag

Why are you even on this board?

Aside from early Final Fantasy circle-jerks and the occasional short-lived PC-98 thread, nothing here is relevant to you.

[Anonymous No.4920367]

>>4920361
who do you think starts all those jrpg vs wrpg threads

[Anonymous No.4920463]

>>4920367
also multiple FF threads in Saturday-Sunday.

[Anonymous No.4921265]

>>4920361
I also like other genres retard. Just generally not CRPGs