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4904852 No.4904852 [Reply] [Original]

Started playing the GBC Oracle of Ages.

Never played them before because people always said they are shit.

They aren't comparable to Link's Awakening, but they seem pretty good so far.

What other LoZ style games have I been missing out on because people said they sucked?

>> No.4904875

Link: The faces of evil and Zelda: Wand of gamelon are worth to check out, Don't follow the memes

>> No.4904896

Zelda 2 isn't bad, just very different from the rest, give it a try.
Minish Cap's biggest weakness is that it's short.

>> No.4904926

>>4904896

Loved Zelda II as a kid. Just played Minish Cap recently, was told it was shit a few years ago too.

Beginning to feel like I've been lied to about these games.

>> No.4904928

>>4904852
I've beaten OoA recently and liked It. Now playing OoS and it's also very good (and easier, since it's combat-focused)

>> No.4905176

Link's Awakening sucks. The constant item swapping is annoying and the plot does nothing to make you care about any of the characters involved except for your generic one-dimensional waifu.

Oracles has far better design, but it's a shame about the cut content.

>> No.4905242

>>4904926
>Beginning to feel like I've been lied to about these games.

Form your own opinion and you'll never be disappointed I hater' s lies. I often find some common "gospel" opinions are very wrong or based on stupidity and falsehoods.

>> No.4905253

>>4904926
TMC is a damn good Zelda game, but it has a ton of backtracking. And getting all the keystone fusions is a pain in the ass.

>> No.4905267

Time for everyone's favorite pasta. Yes! It's the...
OFFICIAL ZELDA POWER RANKINGS

>GOD TIER
Link to the Past, Ocarina of Time, Twilight Princess, Breath of the Wild

>GREAT TIER
Link's Awakening, Majora's Mask, Wind Waker,

>NON-CANONICAL STUPID FUN TIER
Hyrule Warriors

>GOOD TIER
Legend of Zelda, Adventures of Link, Minish Cap, Spirit Tracks, Link Between Worlds

>BORING TIER
Oracle of Ages/Seasons, Four Swords Adventures

>CRAP TIER
Phantom Hourglass, Skyward Sword, Tri-Force Heroes

>> No.4905290

Crystalis is a great Zelda like game, but nobody says it sucks.
Except for the grinding, fuck that shit.

>> No.4905314
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>>4904926
>was told it was shit a few years ago too
You really shouldn't listen to everything people tell you, other than the lack of dungeons I consider Minish Cap to be the best 2D Zelda and one of the best GBA games, alongside Mother 3 and Fire Emblem

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>>4905267
>putting OoT above MM
>putting LA above ALBW

>> No.4905320

>>4905316
>getting salty over what is still at its core a positive review.

>> No.4905326

oracles games are great
all the /vr/ zeldas are great, the first zelda that really sucked was WW.

>> No.4905369

>>4905267
Fuck you

>> No.4905418

>>4905176
Oracles have the same item swap problem and has an even less interesting plot. LA is much better.

>> No.4905475

>>4905267

this is acktually extremely accurate

>> No.4905479

>>4905418
While Oracles still requires you to swap out items, it doesn't do it to the extent of LA, which will make you swap them out multiple times in the span of 30 seconds just to clear a minor obstacle.

>> No.4905483

>>4905479
Actually I take that back, it's more like 10 seconds. I forgot how long 30 seconds actually was.

>> No.4905521

>>4904852
What the fuck, who told you those games were bad?

>> No.4905535

>>4905521
It was probably /vr/

>> No.4905549

>>4904852
the oracle games are pretty GOAT, ignore anyone who says otherwise.

>> No.4905554

>>4905535

This guy gets it.

>> No.4905564

>>4904926
Every mainline Zelda game is good.

>> No.4905641

>>4905521
Was just about to post it. I've seen them ranked lower than LA but never seen any outright hate.

>> No.4905718

>>4905267

This list is retarded.

>> No.4905772

>They aren't comparable to Link's Awakening

you're right, because both are better

>> No.4905838

>>4905267
Pretty much, only I would swap TP and WW.

>> No.4906434

>>4905267
don't ever come back to this website.

>> No.4906437

>>4906434
You can't make me leave.

>> No.4906532

>>4904852
All Zelda 2D games are fun, at least until GBA (didn't play the DS/3DS ones)

>> No.4906535

>>4906532

LoZ1 isn't fun without a guide, even then it's pretty tedious.

>> No.4906542

>>4906532
>implying TMC isn't fun

>> No.4906564

>>4906542
No, I think he's implying TMC IS fun, which is even more preposterous.

>> No.4906570

>>4906532
Phantom Hourglass - What would normally be an average Zelda title is drastically held down by the Ocean Temple - an absolutely miserable experience of a timed dungeon compounded worse by the fact you have to run though it multiple times. It all serves to drag it firmly into "bad" territory.

Spirit Tracks: What sounds terrible on paper, a choo-choo Zelda game, is actually great. It's just great. Not even joking. They had figured out DS touchscreen controls to their full potential by this point. Having Zelda be a more active participant throughout the game is a breath of fresh air, and it has a surprisingly good soundtrack. Recommended.

Link Between Worlds: it's fine. A solid, 5/10 game. For those of you who hate Zelda for being too linear, the fact you can just buy most of the items and (mostly) go in the dungeons in any order might make it appealing to you.

Tri-Force Heroes: I don't even count this as a Zelda game.

>> No.4906583

>>4904852
i prefer oos over link's awakening so i'm assuming you'll like it. ages i'd put beneath both of them

>> No.4906587

>>4905267
what weird taste

also the only people who call oos boring haven't actually played it. it's one of the quickest paced zelda games

>> No.4906590

>>4905326
yeah ww's overblown reputation is really proof how much people care about graphics above everything else, even if they say they don't

>> No.4906592

>>4906570
Spirit Tracks bothers me just on principle that they decided to utterly ruin Wind Waker's ending.

>"Children, please, forget this old land of Hyrule, forge a new futu-"
>"FINE OLD MAN WE'LL MAKE OUR OWN HYRULE, WITH BLACKJACK AND HOOKERS"

Also Tri Force Heroes seems like it should suck, but it's actually a blast. Way more fun than Four Swords ever were.

>> No.4906594

>>4905418
doing stuff with your waifu isn't interesting plot. the oracle games have much more in-depth side characters which matter a lot more in a game about exploration rather than the game just halting your progress as an explorer to sit on a log with the girl the game is forcing you to care about

>> No.4906596

>>4905521
there's one guy usually in these threads that rabidly despises them

>> No.4906598

>>4906592
I'm fine with that. It seemed to me that King Daphnes was the actual villain of the story and made the worst Triforce wish possible, and Ganon was the hero who was just trying to save the world - admittedly so he could rule it, but he was still trying to save it.

>> No.4906630

>>4906570
The ocean temple is a time trial. It's designed to be faster with every new weapon you get. And at the end, you can get a 0 second record with the time pickups.
It's still not a great design choice, but having a little optimism helps.

>> No.4906632

>>4906630
I understand your points, but none of them make it any less miserable.

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>>4906535

>> No.4907562

>>4905267
BOTW is an elder scrolls game. Other than that...
Shit list. But I understand it.

>> No.4907672

>>4907530
Zelda 1 is full of indefensibly cryptic bullshit, man. Don't try to play that.

>> No.4907674

>>4907672
You want cryptic? Play Simon's Quest. LoZ isn't that hard.

>> No.4907678

>>4907674
>this other game is worse so that makes it fine

>> No.4907689

>god tier
link to the past, oracle of seasons, links awakening
>great tier
ocarina of time, zelda 1, link between worlds
>good tier
majora's mask, minish cap, triforce heroes, zelda 2, oracle of ages, breath of the wild
>boring tier
four swords, phantom hourglass, wind waker, twilight princess, skyward sword
>i don't care tier
hyrule warriors, spirit tracks

>> No.4907693

>>4907672
>>4902503

>> No.4907726
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>>4907693
>not cryptic
>literally nothing in either the game or manual tells you to use the bait on the "grumble grumble" guy
>nothing telling you that you need more hearts before you can use the white sword/magical sword
>nothing telling you Spectacle Rock is the entrance to Death Mountain
>defending how the latter two were in the Japanese version but taken out to sell Nintendo Power copies
>calling any of these situations "trial and error"

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4907901

>>4906535

this is a stupid opinion and you should feel bad for having it.

>> No.4907951

>>4905267
Whether peeps like it or not, as much as every moron is so quick to make these "best/worst of de series" lists, the main Zelda titles, even DS, are still vastly superior to the majority of NES titles.

>> No.4908162

The oracle games are great, if you never tried them because you heard that they're shit, try them, because they are good

>> No.4908165

>>4907672
Why dont you try reading the manual.

>> No.4908207 [DELETED] 

>>4908165
The manual only gets you so far, and even then the fact that you have to rely on the manual is bad design.

>> No.4908210

>>4908165
The manual only gets you so far, and even then the fact that you have to rely on the manual is bad design. And as I said before, even with a guide (which the manual counts as) the game is pretty tedious.

>> No.4908295

>>4906570
>>4906630
>>4906632
I really tried to enjoy Phantom Hourglass, and it was a fairly solid experience once you got used to the controls. Heck, the other dungeons were pretty fun as far as I remember. But the ocean temple thing completely ruined it for me. I dropped the game the third or fourth time the game forced me to go there, I just couldn't stand it any more.

I'm not a big fan of stealth mechanics, and the way they shove it down your throat combined with the utterly unnecessary time limit, the invincible enemies and the backtracking, it was just all too much. It felt like an incredibly stressful chore to me that completely ruined the experience, especially knowing that I'd have to go there AGAIN an AGAIN if I wanted to complete the game.

Miserable is spot-on.

On the topic of discussion, the Oracle games are pretty great. Story is a bit lackluster (literally just "THEY TOOK TEH GURL") but there is plenty of content there and it's all pretty polished. If you enjoyed LA, there's no reason not to enjoy the oracle games unless you're a pretentious hipster who will only play LA in monochrome while smelling his own farts.

>> No.4908470

>>4906570
Phantom Hourglass would still be bad even without the Temple of the Ocean King. Boring music, boring story, boring dungeons, ocean is even more empty than TWW's.

>>4906630
The Temple of the Ocean King is a stupid concept. It's bad enough that it's bland and boring, but then they make you trudge through it over and over to advance through the game, and then they time you on top of it. Awful idea. Glad they fixed it with the Tower of Spirits in Spirit Tracks.

>> No.4908492

>>4908470
Linebeck was fun though. The one silver lining of that game.

>> No.4908643

>>4908295
you can kill the knights in the ocean temple with the upgraded sword if you hit them from behind. made the last couple visits a bit less excruciating

>> No.4908663

>>4908210
>the fact that you have to rely on the manual is bad design

>a guide (which the manual counts as)

>> No.4909481

>>4908663
It's two separate but related points:
1. Making a game where you are expected to rely on a manual and/or guide to progress is bad design.
2. Zelda 1 is still tedious to play even with a guide telling you what to do next.

>> No.4909503

>>4906570
>>4908470
Shit taste

>> No.4909557

>>4909481
Are you just saying it'd be more convenient if you could call up the information from the manual in the game instead of having it on paper? Like the sub-screen would have the item list + descriptions from the manual?
I mean, sure, it's convenient to have info in the game itself. But that's not a unique characteristic of Zelda, just the nature of games from the era when digital storage space was more expensive than paper.

>> No.4909601

>>4908295
>>4908643
Not him, but I do like the Ocean Temple once I can kill the Phantoms.

>> No.4909801

>>4909503
Woah you actually like Phantom Hourglass? I'm so baffled I'm not even mad. Please explain this to us.

>> No.4909840

>>4904852
Link's awakening is a meme.

You've been memed to, OP.

>> No.4910036

>>4906570
Aside from great music. Spirit tracks just sucks at everything else. The train sections alone were much worse go through than entirety of the Ocean King temple from PH. Which kills off the experience for most of the game. Having a way to kill the evil/armor trains would be a good start in fixing the issue.
Also the Spirit Tower (or whatever it's called) from Spirit tracks was obviously inspired by the ocean king temple, except from a design standpoint, there's no good reason why the player should keep returning. It's just multiple dungeons located in the same area.

>> No.4910039

>>4909801
It's far from the best, but at least it's better than Spirit Tracks

>> No.4910093

Can you recommend some good zelda hacks?

>> No.4910124

>>4910093
There are no good zelda hacks. Just play Zelda Classic quests if you want to play fan games.

>> No.4910154

>>4905267
Twilight Princess isn't that great though. Probably my least favorite 3D Zelda. Game takes ages to get going, too, the first few hours are basically a very long tutorial where you have to do errands for the townspeople. Wind Waker is far better, and I even prefer Skyward Sword over it.

Also swap MM and OoT.

>> No.4910189

>>4908210
>the fact that you have to rely on the manual is bad design
LM fucking AO, if that's your attitude when playing an adventure game, then don't you ever touch Ultima.

>> No.4910191
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>>4910189

>> No.4910215

>>4910093
The only one I know of is Parallel Tower.

>> No.4910506
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4910506

>>4910189
>tripfag lecturing literally anyone

>> No.4910579

>>4910189
Yeah, how dare I expect a game to convey its information properly instead of just literally telling you things in a supplementary document.

>> No.4910690

>>4907689
Leave this planet now plz

>> No.4911882

>>4910506
Not just any tripfag, a tranny tripfag. The ultimate attention whore. Just ignore it and maybe it'll go away.

>> No.4911886

>>4909503
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8o6un4-0W4c

Just have that on loop for 30 minutes.

>> No.4911887

>>4904926
>Minish Cap was shit
Weird, I remember things being generally positive about it. Only flaw I remember was probably just being a bit on the easier side, but that might only be because I did the whole kinstone thing.

>> No.4911895

>>4911886
Oh god it's all coming back to me. Make it stoooooooop.

>> No.4911932

>>4911887

I thought the Kinstone thing was very enjoyable.

All around, Minish Cap was great.

>> No.4911936

>>4911932
Honestly I think it's the best portable Zelda game after LA, that, and Vaati is an extremely compelling villain.

>> No.4911952
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>>4911936

I like Link's Awakening more than Minish Cap, but realistically, it's probably just because I remember playing it as a kid.
If I was looking at it with new eyes I'd probably have to admit that MC is the superior title.
I mean, this was a pretty awesome game mechanic, a hat that makes you shrink? Who comes up with this shit.

>> No.4911958

>They aren't comparable to Link's Awakening
Of course not. They're way better games.

>> No.4911961

>>4910154
yikes you have shit taste

>> No.4911964

>>4911887
Minish Cap is easily the best of the Flagship Zeldas, and third best handheld Zelda (after LA and ALBW).

>> No.4912090

>>4911964
Aren't handhelds usually not considered flagship entires?

>> No.4912093

>>4912090
Depends on the series in question.

>> No.4912098

>>4912093
The series in question is the Legend of Zelda.

>> No.4912103

>>4912098
I mean, I would consider ALBW, LA and MC flagship entries.

>> No.4912105

>>4912103
k

>> No.4912234

>>4912090
>>4912103
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flagship_(company)

Flagship was the developer that made the Oracle games, Minish Cap, the Four Swords game that came with the GBA port of ALttP (which they also handled).

>> No.4912239

>>4912234
What a clever yet frustrating name for a game company.

>> No.4912804

>>4911932
Yeah, I sure love tracking down NPCs to use those kinstones with. My favorite is the one that can be permanently missed. What an excellent design choice.

>> No.4912812

>>4912234
Well now I just feel trolled.

>> No.4913309

>>4912804

Maybe don't be autistic? You rarely need a kinstone.

>> No.4913465

>>4913309
I think the missable kinstone also means missing out on a piece of heart.

>> No.4913693

>>4905267
Put MM in God Tier, put Link Between World in Great Tier, and then you have the perfect list.

>> No.4913708

>>4910154
TP is shit. wolf parts are dumb. 90% of the weapons aren't used outside the dungeon you get them in. bosses are too easy. puzzles are good and graphics are fine.

>> No.4913730

Love Oracle of Seasons, and would love Ages just as much if it cut the mandatory minigames. I largely think the 2d games contain the best entries in the series, as I wasn't wowed by BotW, and the sidequesting of Majora is not really my thing.

>> No.4913751

>>4910154
wind waker has like all the issues twilight princess does plus half the game is a really boring fetch quest

>> No.4913880

>>4906594

I'll take the kino story in LA over the forced minigames and fetch quests of the oracles, thank you very much

>> No.4913912

>>4913309
>Maybe don't be autistic?

Easier said than done.

>> No.4913981

>>4904852
Seasons is fucking garbage. That rhythm game is fucking stupid.
Ages is kino and a much better game. True final bosses are great

>> No.4913987

>>4913880
oracle of seasons has neither but o...k...

>> No.4914003

>>4913730
To be frank, I felt that BotW was nice, but lacked the magic of the previous Zelda games, mainly the lack of cool secrets and shit

>> No.4914036

>>4913981
you mean the optional subrosia dance thing that's really easy? what a weird thing to consider a flaw

>> No.4914038

>>4904852
Zelda II; Phantom Hourglass

>>4913981
t. Patrician

>> No.4914040

>>4914003
botw is a good game but it's a bad zelda game.

>> No.4914042

there is no non-autistic reason to hate seasons

>> No.4914047

Phantom hourglass and four swords adventure are really great and anybody who places them lower then good tier shouldn't be trusted

>> No.4914054

>>4914047
fsa isn't a zelda game. it functions completely differently. and all the extra peripherals you needed to really play it were obnoxious

>> No.4914059

>>4914036
No that one is easy.
I'm talking about the Gorgon dance.
I got the games backwards

>> No.4914064

>>4914059
that's what it sounded like but you've got a guy agreeing with you anyway lel