/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.4899031]

How did you react to the Dreamcast ending production?

[Anonymous No.4899032]

>>4899031
RIP arcade-style gaming, hello cinematic gayming
Sorry for wrongthink: JRPGs rule!

[Anonymous No.4899034]

I was surprised, then thought about how it could play pirated games out of the box, and then I was kind of bummed but not surprised anymore.

[Anonymous No.4899043]

>>4899031
I remember thinking it sucked. I -just- got over my Saturn dying and now my next console was going to stop producing games.

[Anonymous No.4899050]

>>4899034
I really don’t think piracy was a huge contributor to the Dreamcast’s demise. You’re forgetting how slow consumer level CD burners were back then. On top of that, 56k was still the most common internet speed.

[Anonymous No.4899058]

didn't sega openly admit they were tired of the console business at that point?

[Anonymous No.4899060]

>>4899031
I was surprised too. At the time I felt the Dreamcast had a better lineup than PS2. But I guess the number crunchers at SEGA had a good idea of how many consumers were going to buy the new PlayStation. I don’t have a link to an article or anything, but I seem to recall the DC sold past their projections. Guess Sony had too much momentum.

[Anonymous No.4899065]

You ha to be deaf, dumb, and blind to not see it coming.

1. It was easy to pirate games
2. PS2 destroyed it
3. It was too obscure for normie gamers (e.g. Seaman)

[babbage's gramps !RATGzMALLY No.4899067]

I wasn't surprised. It was a new millennium

[Anonymous No.4899069]

>>4899058
Tired of losing money, maybe. The Saturn was a probably a difficult system to cut costs on and make a profit due to all its various chips. But the Dreamcast has some legs, probably could have dropped steeply in price. Meanwhile the architecture lived on in various arcade hardware.

I dunno, it’s like “what if-ing” a true 16-bit PC Engine, we’ll never know.

[Anonymous No.4899070]

>>4899050
Even if your random joe on the street didn't, almost everyone knew a guy that did. The guy I knew would hand out stapled printouts listing all the games and music he had access to and charged 3 bucks a disc in batches of 8. He also did VCD but most people didn't know that was a thing. This was mid-PS1 era when everyone would get a modchip. I don't know specifically what things were like with the DC though.

[babbage's gramps !RATGzMALLY No.4899071]

But I was still sad my youth was over

[Anonymous No.4899091]

I SPERGED the fuck out, because I was an autistic little kid and wanted Sony to burn for "killing" SEGA.

Of course, now I know that SEGA killed SEGA.

[Anonymous No.4899094]

>>4899050
I'm not forgetting shit. I had ADSL in '98 and access to Pacific Mall.

[Anonymous No.4899095]

>>4899031
I was 9 and didn't have much of a reaction. I asked for a Dreamcast during Christmas 2001 anyway.

[Anonymous No.4899098]

>>4899094
Well you were in the vast, vast minority then.

[Anonymous No.4899108]

Anger, bitterness. Feeling betrayed. Sega should have avoided the usa like the pest. And they should have catered to the rest of the world instead.

[Anonymous No.4899174]

I remember saying "enjoy your dvd player" to a lot of friends

[Anonymous No.4899181]

>>4899031
googoo boo gaga :) *shits diaper*

[Anonymous No.4899195]

I Didn't even notice
>>4899032
More like, Goodbye games I pay 60 for 5 hours and hello games I pay 60 and get 60 hours.

[Anonymous No.4899207]

I had a PS2 by then so I didn't care. The dreamcast was always just a curiosity to me: I read about it in magazines, but nobody owned one and I didn't get to try the games until much later, kinda like with the Saturn only I still have never played a Saturn game.

[Anonymous No.4899253]

K-Mart had a liquidation sale on Dreamcasts. Bought one brand new for $50. Im surprised I was able to snatch one. One of the best purchases I've ever made.

[Anonymous No.4899271]

>>4899098
>one of the most infamous piracy hubs in the world
>centered in an urban population of nearly 5 million people
>in the country that leads technological adoption rate
>a vast, vast minority

When are you hicks going to realize that high-speed internet was common in 97, affordable in 98, and ubiquitous by 99 in areas with decent infrastructure? I bet you don't even live in a metropolis with more than 2 million people in it.
A vast minority, fuck off. Every major urban centre had an equivalent chink mall selling bootleg purses and dragonball VHSes.

[Anonymous No.4899286]

I was sad and >>4899174 but ultimately got a computer and stopped caring about consoles

[Anonymous No.4899476]

>>4899286
>Muh PC Master Race
Have fun being an obese virgin.

Console Master Race > PC Disaster Race

[Anonymous No.4899481]

>>4899271
I don’t care about your third world garbage dump.

[Anonymous No.4899482]

>>4899031
I bought a Game Boy Advance and I avoided the wave of trashy Sony-style cutseneshit until indies became a big thing.

[Anonymous No.4899489]

>>4899031
I was sad about it, but I knew it was beyond my control. I enjoyed the games and I'm glad that I gave the Dreamcast a chance.

[Anonymous No.4899502]

>>4899050
Piracy was a huge factor. Those pirated discs were low quality though and the CD-R ruined my Dreamcast within a month. I had to buy another one, using the same pirated disc. Ruins my Dreamcast again within a month. I buy a new Dreamcast, only using official Dreamcast games and that Dreamcast lasted 18 years straight. I even have it modded so that I could replace the internal battery.

[Anonymous No.4899503]

>>4899476
you both sound like nerds, stop.

[Anonymous No.4899517]

>>4899195
>5 hours of replayable fast-paced fun vs 60 hours of grindy cinematic trash

[Anonymous No.4899518]

>>4899502
I guess I can only speak from my experience in the U.S. I had friends burning PS1 games but not Dreamcast stuff until years later. I’m sure it made some impact but it’s pretty clear Sega would’ve pulled the plug regardless. Dreamcast games were also so dirt cheap when Sega announced they were discontinuing it that it seemed pointless to bother with pirating them.

[Anonymous No.4899521]

Sad to see it go, happy to bump my retail collection to 100+ games because every shop was trying their best to get rid of their products.

[Anonymous No.4899527]

>>4899094
>Pacific Mall
>being Canadian

At least you’re not Australian but still lmao

[Anonymous No.4899561]

>>4899518
Thinking about it now, I wish I could time travel back to 2001 and pick up way more games. I got Skies of Arcadia and Grandia II for $15 each at Sears back in the day.

[Anonymous No.4899634]

>>4899091
Sony stealing all the 3rd-party support objectively killed Sega, though. If it weren't for them, they'd have stayed with Sega. Sega even made a game about how much damage Sony did to them called Segagaga.

[Anonymous No.4899646]

>>4899476
Consoles are a joke now, and all the good (retro) systems can be emulated on PC. There really is no excuse for not being PCMR in current year- you'd have to be either a retard or a shill.

[Anonymous No.4899664]

>>4899517
Still a much better deal if you have fun with boths, if you can't find those 60 hours fun, well shit pal you're stuck paying 60 for 5 hours or less, sucks to be you unless you don't pay at all I guess

[Anonymous No.4899667]

>>4899646
>>/r/eddit

[Anonymous No.4899691]

It was my first Sega system and I felt kind of mad at myself for trusting them. I saved up all summer in 1999 and now no more games. At least it was fun for 2 years and discovering burning games added some value in the mid 2000's. Burned games never seemed to hurt my launch Dreamcast.

>>4899065
>3. It was too obscure for normie gamers (e.g. Seaman)

No normie gamers loved NFL 2k, NBA 2k, and Virtua Tennis. They still figured they'd just wait for PS2 because it had a DVD player.

[Anonymous No.4899778]

>>4899664
>>4899195
>Arcades are only meant to played a single time
And this is why this board should implemennt an age restriction.

[Anonymous No.4899840]

>>4899271

You were a tiny minority and nobody cares about your all-important "urban center", certainly not Sega.

And no, cities in the world didn't have internet worth using for piracy, CD burners still cost $100 ($200 in several countries), and most people didn't know how to burn GD-ROMs.

The idea that piracy even affected the Dreamcast is suburbanite revisionism. There are so many real detrimental factors that had measurable effects on the Dreamcast's performance that if piracy had been relevant then it'd be a system destroying menace on every console ever.

[Anonymous No.4899870]

>>4899031
I never got around to buying one, so I was disappointed. Moved on and got a PS2 but fuck me, I wish I still got one anyway.

[Anonymous No.4899892]

>>4899778
>Any game was meant to be played once
Don't be a retard, You can go full autism on any game and if you just mean branching paths or winning with every character the 5 hours are fine.

[Anonymous No.4899901]

as I remember it it was like 2002/3 when people really started getting broadband in droves and CD burners began becoming ubiquitous

[Anonymous No.4899954]

>>4899901
It was. The guy claiming that high speed internet was ubiquitous in 1999 is straight up lying.

[Anonymous No.4899959]

A bit disappointed but I was one of those idorts that weren't specially loyal to a single company so I didn't mind much.

[Anonymous No.4899985]

>>4899691
I think lack of EA games hurt the sales

[Anonymous No.4900000]

>>4899031
Didn't even know it existed until it was early too late. But I've loved picking up the console after it's run. The library isn't quite what I hoped for, but I think I sorta went into the Dreamcast expecting a second PS1.

[Anonymous No.4900029]

>>4899031
I bought it and I had/have mixed feelings. I live in the slavland, so piracy all over the place (particulary back then). Everyone had psx and kept waiting for ps2. No one to echange games with and etc. Thanks god there were some arcad shop renting games (House of the Dead 2 with gun, fug yea (or 1? I don't remember)
So at first I had to play just two games which I didn't rly love (that much, Sega Rally and some future flying-skateboarding racer with tricks etc.). Later on pirates became avalible. So I killed my laser with that deer-pirate shit. I've kinda earned it I guess.
But there were games that I rly loved and remember even today. Record of Lodoss War, Jet Set/Grind Radio. Soul Calibur, Grandia 2 (for some reason, also save died in the middle of the story (it was unevitable iirc).

6/10, would wait for ps2, pls don't judge me :*

[Retardo !!pTWHjKGx1tx No.4900035]

>>4899195
>>4899664
>>4899892
I want to believe this is bait but unfortunately it's not.

[Anonymous No.4900041]

I was too young to know or care. I didn't care about things like that when I was younger.

[Anonymous No.4900071]

>>4899069
I wonder if the playstation didnt become the unbelievably huge mega hit it was, would either sega or maybe some other company like atari or nec been able to fill the role. I mean the lynx was a failure and turbografx 16 came at a bad time, but maybe a 32 bit release under 1995 could have cemented them in the market. At the time however, sony was THE consumer electronic brand, so a well built machine would dominate on name alone.

[Anonymous No.4900078]

Is this what killed the dreamcast?

[Anonymous No.4900081]

>>4900071
Atari? Never, they destroyed their reputation with ET and the 5200

[Anonymous No.4900085]

>>4900078
Sorry forgot pic

[Anonymous No.4900091]

>>4900081
If the jaguar wasnt complete shit, i think the 7800 and lynx could have built some support to try and hold up a well designed console.

[Anonymous No.4900094]

>>4900085
Sort of. The Dreamcast’s hardware quickly became outdated and the PS2 lineup from 2001 along with the GameCube and Xbox launch titles completely outclassed anything it was capable of. There’s just no way it could have continued to compete in the sixth gen.

[Anonymous No.4900101]

>>4900094
I forgot that the gamecube and og xbox launched. That really was the final nail in the coffin i guess. Was sega in talks with microsoft about importing games over, before they officially ended the dreamcast.

[Anonymous No.4900140]

>>4899031
the console was good but the writing was on the wall for sega for a long time: SEGA IS DOOMED. they couldn't compete with sony's onslaught of poaching software developers with much fairer conditions, royalties, license fees and FAR better development systems. sega shot themselves in the face with their asshattery.

[Anonymous No.4900164]

>>4899954
Yup. I was still using dialup in 2002 to play PSO.

[Anonymous No.4900169]

Ok, here is the million dollar question. Dreamcast come out at the same time, and the same price as a ps2, but also plays dvds. Does it survive .

[Anonymous No.4900183]

>>4900094
This stuff about the hardware being outdated is crap. The PS2 was marginally better, and harder to develop for. Hardware wasn't the dreamcast's problem, outside of the stupid gimmick of the PS2 playing DVDs. In fact, almost nothing was the dreamcast's problem. The only thing I can think of Sega might have made a mistake on was using GD-Roms instead of just DVDs.
The writing was on the wall because of the Saturn. Everything about that time was fucked. The architecture, the launch, the stupidity in deliberately not releasing 2D or RPG games in the west, it was a disaster.

[Anonymous No.4900186]

>>4900183
Are you seriously trying to claim the Dreamcast hardware was even remotely capable of running a game like Metal Gear Solid 2? Come on, man.

[Anonymous No.4900189]

>>4900169
I still think the PS2 would have been more appealing because of the success of the PS1. Dreamcast was following up the Saturn.

[Anonymous No.4900195]

>>4899050
Piracy may or may not be a factor, for example in Poland early 2000 it was. Some (few) people could afford relatively fast internet and cd-burners (although I don't even remember if they were still such crazy expensive in early 2000's). They were selling games for 1/10 of shop price and police didn't give a fuck about it. Add general poverty to this and suddenly piracy became major factor. Sad but true, I'm glad that shit's gone (plus now if I wanna steal something I'll steal it myself w/o paing anyone %) ). .

[Anonymous No.4900202]

>>4900186
Yes. Again, Dreamcast hardware was barely worse than the PS2's. That the PS2 could run something was a good indicator that the Dreamcast could too, even if it might have to sacrifice something minor in the doing.

[Anonymous No.4900205]

>>4899031
Disappointed that the industry had moved away from fun, fast paced, skill involved action games to cuckolding handholding cinematic garbage 4 chad. But not surprised.
>>4899050
Mate you could go on ebay and buy a wallet full (remember CD wallets? They held like 100 discs) of burnt DS games for peanuts even when the DC was in production.

[Anonymous No.4900206]

>>4899892
>B-B-But all games are equally replayable, anon, expending time getting good at an arcade is totally the same thing as replaying rpgs, only autists do that
Thanks for proving my point.

[Anonymous No.4900232]

>>4900202
There is absolutely no chance the Dreamcast hardware could’ve produced graphics that were anywhere close to games that were released in late 2001 and beyond on the sixth gen consoles. What you saw in Shenmue/Shenmue 2 is pretty much the maximum level it was capable of.

[Anonymous No.4900334]

I can't remember if I cried when I heard about the Dreamcast's demise, but something touched me deep inside, the day that Sega died.

[Anonymous No.4900356]

>>4899518
I wish I would have known about that. I would have bought more games when they got cheaper.

[Anonymous No.4900363]

>>4900206
>Doing the first three stages repeatedly is funnier than making actual progress in any other genre
Lmao, No wonder they died, also
>Getting good
Don't you just beat them first try without need of repeating stages to "get good"

[Anonymous No.4900383]

>>4899646
False. PC Master Race are the joke and it shows with how many of them are fat, obese and neckbearded. They get upset when a Console Master Race Chad like me still buy consoles both retro and modern.I got the NES, SNES, N64, Gamecube, Sega Master System, Sega Genesis, Sega Saturn, Sega Dreamcast, PS1, PS2, PS3, PS4, Xbox and Xbox 360. I also got peripherals such as the Playstation VR, Sega 3D glasses, multiple light gun accessories, multiple arcade sticks, multiple racing wheels, PS Move(along with a gun attachment so I can play House Of Dead 3, 4 and Overkill on PS3), Xbox 360 Kinect(got it for free). Then of course I got the SNES & NES Classic Mini, Sega Genesis HD Flashback(the one that resembles a Sega Genesis model 1). I also have a PSP, PS Vita, Original Game Boy. I got a whole library of games, including rarer games that sell expensively on ebay such as Power Stone 2(Dreamcast), Batman Forever The Arcade Game(PS1) and Montezuma's Revenge(Sega Master System). Only poorfags want to emulate these consoles on a PC, instead of experiencing these consoles the way they were meant to be played.

[Anonymous No.4900397]

>>4900383
I was gonna agree with you until you said you bought consoles that are a joke to emulate and fucking accessories, This is too sad to be true, I hate PCMR meme but all that is just a waste, this is a pasta right?

[Anonymous No.4900398]

>>4900383
tl;dr

gonna go back to playing my superior pc games now

[Anonymous No.4900479]

>>4900398
btw. nvm fps or such on consoles, but hackenslashes are great on pad (legacy of kain, record of lodoss war and probably more)

t.third guy, ha!

[Anonymous No.4900486]

>>4900479
Yes because you have to worry about fps on a fucking nes emulator!
Not even the other guy but both options are retarded, the true master race is having a Pc and the big consoles that aren't a bitch to emulate, Diversity I guess

[Anonymous No.4900517]

>>4900486
I agree, there are games that doesn't work or just are not avalible on for whatever reason. I used to keep pc + console for quite a while, but I stopped to do that. I want to start that again.

I've got ps2 without any cable or game, just with 2 pads, 2 memory cards (1 pad and 1 card original only) I'm not sure if it's even working 2bh. But I paid just ~5-6$

[Anonymous No.4900525]

>>4899271
nigga i had broadband in 99 there was no website to download dreamcast roms from

[Anonymous No.4900573]

I cried over this + the cancelation of Castlevania Resurrection

[Anonymous No.4900574]

>>4899031
bummed but I also had a PS2 so I wasn’t too bummed about it.

[Anonymous No.4900627]

>>4899031
Pretty sad. I really loved the Saturn in its time, but it was not meant to be but in hopes the Dreamcast would find some success but the writing was already on the wall before it launched in the US that everyone was waiting on the PS2. I am all too familiar that people have different tastes in games as I do, so acceptance was easier.


>>4899050
>>4899094
Burners and cable modem was available in my area too in those days. I remembered one friend had to purchase a separate dialup account just for PSO when he enjoyed cable, another friend refused to play PSO until he got the broadband adapter for the Dreamcast. Copying Dreamcast games was pretty common in my area of the US too; stores wouldn't accept them for trade-in but they sold their share of "HK-silvers".

[Anonymous No.4900647]

I wad 3 so it really didn't effect me. I'm saddened by it now cause i could have grown up with one.

[Anonymous No.4900674]

>>4899031
I didn't notice or care by this time I was a life long Sony boy

[Anonymous No.4900679]

Sad. It was the end of an era. Not only Sega consoles or games, but arcade games too.

>>4899050
>couldnt burn certain games because they were too big for regular cds
>bigger cds werent easy to find and expensive
>there wasnt a right way to burn cds which lead to faulty copies all the time, 50/50 gamble

You are right. But myths were made are sticking it hard.
In 99 DC's piracy sucked a lot. Only around 2003 or 2004 things started to get better with better quality isos/images and better burning programs.

>>4899065
>ps2 destroyed it
No. There were rumors around 2000 that Sega would leave gaming due to financial issues, which would become true because looking back Sega did fucked up a lot.

[Anonymous No.4900683]

>>4900397
Where do you think we are?

[Anonymous No.4901129]

>>4899058
I don't think they did, but I believe David Rosen didn't care and was actually happy they went third party because he always felt that Sega's games shouldn't be tied down to one platform so that everybody could experience them.

[Anonymous No.4901142]

>>4899031
I was 4, so I was not aware of video games other than pokemon blue

[Anonymous No.4901182]

If the saturn was successful, than the dreamcast would have survived.

[Anonymous No.4901263]

>>4899031
I was happy because I was a poor kid and I knew that the dreamcast ending would mean a big price drop. A friend of mine had one so I already knew there were plenty of games that I wanted. I didn't realize at the time that Sega was pulling out of consoles completely, and when I finally realized that I was fearful that meant no more sonic games.

[Anonymous No.4901269]

Why did Sega suffer such bad losses during the Dreamcast era? Yeah the Saturn bombed but Dreamcast seemed to be profitable, what was the deal

[Anonymous No.4901284]

>>4900071
Playstation was a success because Sony had a billion to invest in it being a success. The only other tech companies with that kind of money to invest in a game console was microsoft.

[Anonymous No.4901298]

>>4901269
It was from the hole in their wallet from both the 32x and the Saturn.

[Anonymous No.4901303]

I was expecting it, after a strong start it was losing steam to the ps2.

[Anonymous No.4901403]

>>4899561
Wait, your Sears sold video games?

Mine only sold furniture and washer/dryer combos before they closed.

[Anonymous No.4901713]

>>4900397
t.Someone who doesn't own a CRT TV to play his retro consoles on.

>>4900398
>Point & click games
>Superior
Imagine being this delusional. LOL Batman Returns on the SNES is definitely more superior than it's PC counterpart. ;)

[Anonymous No.4901714]

>>4901129
I felt that Sega should have been a third party company back then, I really wanted shit like Daytona and Phantasy Star on the N64 and PSX

[Anonymous No.4901759]

>>4901263
Wew
And how do you feel about them sonics now?

[Anonymous No.4901771]

>>4901713
LOOK GUYS I USE THE CORRECT DISPLAY TECHNOLOGY FOR MY OLD GAMES

[Anonymous No.4901775]

>>4899031
I was sad. Though I skipped the Saturn in favor of the PlayStation, I very much grew up with Sega being a major part of my childhood.

[Anonymous No.4901791]

>>4900094
The PS2 had the Dreamcast beat in terms of storage capacity and polygon counts. That's it. It was VERY much behind it in every other thing that mattered though, namely texture memory which is why so many games released on both systems look a helluva lot better on Dreamcast.

[Anonymous No.4901795]

>>4901269
Very bad management in the mid to late 90s on top of a nasty 3dfx lawsuit that led to them not being able to afford DVD technology for the Dreamcast. I'm actually still very pissed off at Stolar for blocking all of those Japanese Saturn games from coming to America.

[Anonymous No.4901848]

>>4901403
Yeah, the one at my local mall had a small electronics section that sold TVs and game consoles.

[Anonymous No.4901852]

>>4901791
Still, there’s still no way in hell the aging Dreamcast hardware could’ve kept up with second year and beyond PS2 releases. It’s just not possible.

[Anonymous No.4901883]

>>4901713
>Ctr meme
No thanks, I like my retro on HQx4 filters to really see the details, enjoy your blurry screen gramps

[Anonymous No.4901895]

>>4899031
I was still playing with my n64
also, my country exploded like it use to do

[Anonymous No.4901902]

>>4901895
Ukraine?

[Anonymous No.4901905]

>>4901902
argentina

[Anonymous No.4901924]

>>4901905
uh, well, it could be worse, see? :^)

[Anonymous No.4902434]

Muy caro men, apenas tenía el Sega Genesys 3 con cinco cartuchos... D:/

[Anonymous No.4902483]

>>4902434
Sorry I don't speak gardener

[Anonymous No.4902501]

>>4902434
Rata reculeá

[Anonymous No.4902528]

>>4902434
English, Manolos

[Anonymous No.4902624]

>>4902434
>Sega Genesys 3
You know, I fucking love bootlegs

[Anonymous No.4902634]

>>4901771
>>4901883
>Not using CRT to play old consoles on
Good luck on trying to use a light gun on a LCD screen, dumbass.

[Anonymous No.4902729]

>>4902634
Haha, A gun? Like those kid's accessories? No thanks, I'll use my much more comfy mouse

[Anonymous No.4902731]

>>4902729
>Preferring a sissy ass mouse to a gun
Libtard cuck detected.

[Anonymous No.4902740]

>>4902729
fuck off Romero

[Anonymous No.4902749]

>>4902731
>Redneck thinks anyone who doesn't play with kid's toys wasting time aiming is a libtard

>>4902740
>Romero
Is that one of your new neighbors?

[Anonymous No.4902753]

>>4902749
>preferring a shitty mouse to a light gun
>not pic related

[Anonymous No.4902772]

>>4902749
>Redneck
SJW Incel detected.

I'll pick a light gun over a mouse any day. Light guns make good for target practice and saves me real ammo.

[Anonymous No.4902773]

>>4902434
I have 4 and one of them was left with me because the rental place closed

[Anonymous No.4902807]

Why did you have to remind me?

[Anonymous No.4902821]

>>4899031
I unironically cried

[Anonymous No.4903079]

>>4899031
bit disappointed
then I kinda wanted to get one because they were cheap as piss

was really surprised that the DC died, didn't know jack about the Saturn and had forgotten about Sega for a bit before I heard about the DC and got to play SA1 at a kiosk

>>4899065
no on all counts

>1. It was easy to pirate games
it didn't kill software sales, and you needed a source of games to pirate (either you did have high speed internet and could burn them yourself (rare), or you had to go to chinatown or something and hit up the guy you'd been going to for burned music and shit (fair bit more common))
as an aside, DC rips from 2001 fucking blew chunks with awful data layouts and you'd spend ages for shit to load while your DC made horrible grinding noises (also, the DC reads CDs at half the speed of GD-ROMs)

>2. PS2 destroyed it
it's got somewhat better hardware, but the PS2's first year wasn't terribly good at all, it didn't have the software and what was there looked the same or worse than what was on DC
the second year was absolutely fucking amazing and pretty much signaled a new era in gaming and is probably what really solidified the gap between post-2000 and pre-2000 games, but the DC was already out of the picture then
The real issue is that Sega didn't have the money to deal with any slump in sales, and a good chunk of people were waiting on PS2's release to make a decision.
Sega's past issues caught up the 'em. Even if the PS2 was probably going to shoot past it, it wouldn't have killed the DC like what happened.

>3. It was too obscure for normie gamers (e.g. Seaman)
DC had a bunch of sports games, Resident Evil, multiplats that looked better on it than other machines, etc
people remember the obscure shit nowadays because there's no fucking reason to play anything else on it these days, but at the time, it had a decent library of things that could appeal to the more casual crowd

>>4901403
Yeah, it wasn't too uncommon. Got to play F-Zero X at a Sears once.

[Anonymous No.4904515]

>>4900101
>>4900094
>Dreamcast discontinues way before Xbox and GC were released and officially announced
>"oh my, that was their critical hit to Sega"
Really, what the fuck are guys even talking about?

>>4900183
Dreamcast was released in 98. In 98 few even cared about the dvd because vhs were way cheaper, easy to have and common to burn tv shows. The DVD was expensive and not worth. And Sony... was Sony, they owned a bunch of media stuff and having their consoles with dvd would be a gamble that could been covered by other finantial means inside that huge world wide company. Sega or Nintendo would have to make a deal with someone to even try to have a dvd player and their gamble would be risky as hell.
It seems weird, but 2 years back then was a huge gap.
>>4900232
It wasnt only Shenmue. Soul Calibur looked amazing. RE CV was released originally for the DC with 2 discs.

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>>4903079
I knew people back then that would burn pc and psx games easily. I asked about the dreamcast games and one of them said "I cant even burn Shenmue because the size is bigger than regular cds and even the 900mb wont work. SoA is another of those".
The other one was a personal friend and just brings me a pile of like 100 burned DC games and says "try them". Of all 100 only 20 worked right and another 3 or 4 games would work sometimes, but the ones that worked the most were fps games that also worked well online. The boot discs wouldnt even want to work... The guy just says me later "see? I give up, it isnt worth, just a waste of money and cds"
This is why piracy was never a problem for the DC because it only got right after being killed. But things are said that the piracy killed the DC for one sole reason, is that there was never need for a damn modchip, just "burn" the game and it will work, which is lie because data was fucked until 2003 or so. SoA was one of those games with self-boot that took years to get to work right.

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>>4904515
>It wasnt only Shenmue. Soul Calibur looked amazing. RE CV was released originally for the DC with 2 discs.

Oh I agree those were all fantastic looking games at the time. My point was that there's just no way the Dreamcast hardware would've been capable of producing character models and environments that were anywhere close to being as detailed as what we saw in major 2001 releases like Final Fantasy X or Metal Gear Solid 2.