Why did the Genesis have all the good shmups and Nintendo got all the trash ones?

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Anonymous Mon Jul 9 13:29:39 2018 No.4892680 [Reply] [Original]

Why did the Genesis have all the good shmups and Nintendo got all the trash ones?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 9 13:32:29 2018 No.4892689 >>4892680 >good >shmup Pick one. Play Phantasy Star IV instead

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 9 13:33:14 2018 No.4892691 >>4892689 >playing gayrpgs

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 9 13:33:52 2018 No.4892694 >>4892680 Genesis had arcade-y library in overall.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 9 13:34:30 2018 No.4892696 >>4892694 And thats a good thing.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 9 13:37:30 2018 No.4892706 >>4892689 I dont care about JRPGs.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 9 13:38:08 2018 No.4892708 >>4892680 >Why did the Genesis have all the good shmups >all PC-Engine kicked its ass.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 9 13:38:40 2018 No.4892710 Not gonna lie, Phantasy Star 4 was better than any SNES RPG I played, and I've played at least 20.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 9 13:39:53 2018 No.4892713 Genesis got Scrambled valkyria? Thought it was on SNES.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 9 13:40:20 2018 No.4892714 >>4892710 It's a good game. Not as good as Ys, Dragon Quest 5 or the SNES's real weird shit, but really good.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 9 13:42:20 2018 No.4892716 >>4892710 II is fine too! What are some other good Genesis JRPGs?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 9 13:43:36 2018 No.4892717 >>4892716 4 > 1 > 2 > 3

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 9 13:44:25 2018 No.4892720 >>4892717 why 1>2?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 9 13:46:37 2018 No.4892725 >>4892720 1's better paced, better balanced, and actually tells its minimal story as it unfolds instead of cramming all the feets into VNs.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 9 13:46:43 2018 No.4892726 >>4892680 Blast processing

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 9 13:47:50 2018 No.4892729 What are some of the Genesis best shmups?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 9 13:52:00 2018 No.4892739 >>4892729 Musha Aleste.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 9 13:54:40 2018 No.4892748 >>4892710 New characters came and went before you could even become attached to them. Phantasy Star IV wasn't even as good as Lunar. There were tons of better RPGs on the SNES.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 9 13:58:10 2018 No.4892757 Shmups on SNES seem to run like shit, so I assume it had something to do with processing power. In other words, Genesis had BLAST PROCESSING.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 9 13:58:49 2018 No.4892758 >>4892748 You're thinking of FF4. The only character you lost in PS4 is Alys.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 9 14:05:58 2018 No.4892778 >>4892680 Phalanx and darius twin are good

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 9 14:06:28 2018 No.4892779 >>4892739 Overrated shit.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 9 14:07:23 2018 No.4892782 >>4892680 R-Type III > Thunde Force IV Axelay > Gaiares UN Squadron > Fire Shark Space Megaforce > MUSHA Debate me faggots

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 9 14:08:13 2018 No.4892785 >>4892779 That game was amazing what are you talking about?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 9 14:09:45 2018 No.4892790 >>4892778 >>4892757 This.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 9 14:11:10 2018 No.4892796 >>4892785 It's an OK game, definitely overrated though.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 9 14:15:32 2018 No.4892813 >>4892796 Name some better Genesis shmups, contrarian-kun.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 9 14:16:09 2018 No.4892815 >>4892813 Biohazard Battle

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 9 14:18:42 2018 No.4892830 >>4892725 I prefer a less minimal story >>4892748 PS4 is good, man

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 9 14:20:19 2018 No.4892834 >>4892830 I prefer games with no story or text. Just killing. If I wanted text i'd read a book.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 9 14:24:55 2018 No.4892847 >>4892815 Biohazard battle is pretty fucking awesome. I also like Steel Empire and Gynoug

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 9 14:26:46 2018 No.4892850 >>4892813 not setting the bar too high. Try PC engine or arcade.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 9 14:33:09 2018 No.4892865 >>4892850 Ive never played PC Engine. I'll give it a shot.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 9 14:45:57 2018 No.4892883 >>4892850 >PC engine Boy, I sure love the same Compile-like-shit-pacing vertical shmup copypasted over and over.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 9 14:46:46 2018 No.4892884 >>4892883 Vertical is better than horizontal.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 9 14:49:27 2018 No.4892890 File: 10 KB, 320x224, tf4.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4892884 Wrong again, NECbeard-kun.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 9 14:51:14 2018 No.4892893 >>4892834 Pleb, story games are better

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 9 14:53:36 2018 No.4892897 >>4892893 Just read a book. Theres no point in putting all that text to explain their game, thats what instruction booklets and the back of the box is for.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 9 14:58:41 2018 No.4892907 >>4892897 shmupfags gtfo, a game with a story is more than just a game, keep playing your simple minded stuff This is a Genesis JRPG thread now

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 9 15:05:28 2018 No.4892919 >>4892890 Horizontal is so babby tiered they put it in Kirby Super Star.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 9 15:20:24 2018 No.4892937 Namedropping only as usual, eh?

Anonymous Mon Jul 9 15:20:46 2018 No.4892940

It was all about that Motorola 68000. The Genesis was perfect for handling those late 80's and early '90s arcade ports.

>>4892782
>>>4892680 (OP)
>R-Type III > Thunde Force IV
>Axelay > Gaiares
>UN Squadron > Fire Shark
>Space Megaforce > MUSHA
>Debate me faggots

I love Gradius III on the SNES, but the game was almost unplayable at times with its sub par framerate. I would take Thunder Force III over VI. Though TFIV is still a great game.

Axelay is one of the better shoot 'em ups on the SNES, i'm not sure it would be a better game than Gaiares though. Space Mega Force and UN Squadron are good too. But the Genesis has games that are comparable to them.

>>4892729
>What are some of the Genesis best shmups?

Thunder Force 3
Thunder Force IV (Lightening Force)
Eliminate Down (Japanese release)
M.U.S.H.A.
Gaiares
Wings of Wor
Arrow Flash
Crossfire
Elemental Master
Heavy Unit (Japanese exclusive, this one is kind of like Gradius)
Fire Shark
Truxton
Verytex
Battlemania (Trouble Shooter)
Battlemania 2
Panorama Cotton
Burning Force

> Sega CD shooters:
Android Assault
Lords of Thunder (Better on the PC-Engine CD-ROM, but this one is not bad)
Robo Aleste
Silpheed
Soul Star

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 9 15:25:27 2018 No.4892946 >>4892940 I like UN Squadron more than Axelay myself. I just like the weapons better. I never had a Sega CD myself so im not familiar with how games run on that system.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 10 14:00:06 2018 No.4895184 >>4892708 same hardware

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 10 14:05:46 2018 No.4895197 File: 116 KB, 537x734, gayers.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Gayers was off the hook

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 10 14:09:49 2018 No.4895205 >>4892680 Genesis simply had a better CPU for fast paced arcade games.

Anonymous Tue Jul 10 14:34:40 2018 No.4895257

>>4895184
>same hardware

The PC-Engine isn't like The Genesis/ Mega Drive at all. The system has a custom 8bit MOS 65C02 (The NES uses a MOS 6502) with a 7.16MHz overclock mode. The Genesis/ MD has a 16bit Motorola 68000 that runs at 7.16Mhz with a 32bit address bus. The 68000 blows apart the 65C02 variant in the PC-Engine.

The PC-Engine does have a 16-bit graphics core that can display more on screen colours than the Genesis/ Mega Drive, though it doesn't quite have the scrolling capabilities of the Genesis/ Mega Drive.

The Genesis/ MD is like a low rent 16bit arcade board turned into a game console. It's M6800, Z80, FMsynth chip is a similar configuration to arcade boards like the Neo-Geo, Capcom CPS2, Sega boards and other 16bit arcade boards from the time period. Though the Genesis/ Mega Drive is not as powerful.

Anonymous Tue Jul 10 14:56:26 2018 No.4895303

>>4895257
>The 68000 blows apart the 65C02 variant in the PC-Engine.
Eh not quite, the 65C02 has much better IPC, though the Motorola 68000 makes up for this with its 16-bit/32-bit instruction set and 16-bit memory bus. My point is that while the 68000 is still the fastest, what the PC-Engine and Genesis have is closer in speed to each other than to the SNES.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 10 16:27:45 2018 No.4895485 >>4892919 Gradius, nigga

Anonymous Tue Jul 10 19:10:40 2018 No.4895780

>>4895303
>Eh not quite, the 65C02 has much better IPC, though the Motorola 68000 makes up for this with its 16-bit/32-bit instruction set and 16-bit memory bus. My point is that while the 68000 is still the fastest, what the PC-Engine and Genesis have is closer in speed to each other than to the SNES.

I dunno, looking at games like Strider:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2CQt4mlIrw&

The Genesis games looks much closer to the arcade original here (scan to 2 minutes) . The PCE CD-ROM game lacks additional layers of scrolling, appears to have slow down and is missing even more animation.

Not saying the PCE is bad hardware though. It actually does a good version of Street Fighter II:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjBl-I6fVdo

Though it is missing some layers of scrolling in comparison to the Genesis/ MD game. But it holds its own really well, and in a couple ways looks a little better.

But comparing a game like Aero Blasters, the PCE holds its own really well:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jR0tSW7QQU&t=72s

PCE version has nice colour, though the Genesis game has bigger looking sprites at times.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 10 19:31:46 2018 No.4895809 >>4892680 genesis does what nintendont!

Anonymous Tue Jul 10 19:36:32 2018 No.4895815

>>4892680
SNES had a better shmup library once you include the Japanese exclusives.

>>4892694
Genesis was action games and sports games and little else. SNES actually has more arcade ports even without including the Japanese exclusives. Dozens of fighting games, dozens of beat 'em ups, etc.

Anonymous Tue Jul 10 19:41:35 2018 No.4895826

>>4895780
pc engine's effort of sf2 was pretty damn good. it's a shame the music is meh.
>>4895780
>The Genesis games looks much closer to the arcade original here
it does a bit. captures most of the arcade experience. the megadrive versions of streetfighter 2 i really enjoyed the most.

Anonymous Tue Jul 10 20:19:19 2018 No.4895898

>>4895815
>SNES had a better shmup library once you include the Japanese exclusives.

Even with games like Super Aleste, Parodius, and a few others, the SNES SHMUPS library is pretty underwhelming compared to either the Genesis/ Mega Drive or PC Engine. Suer there are also a few other decent shooters like UN Squadron, R-Type 3, Gradius III (massive slowdown) and a couple others. But the SNES/ Super Famicom SHMUP library pales in comparison to the other 16 bit systems on the market at the time.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 10 21:00:11 2018 No.4895990 >>4892940 https://youtube.com/watch?v=ObJVuRTIIS4

Anonymous Tue Jul 10 21:50:14 2018 No.4896086

>>4892729
I don't have a lot of experience with the genesis library but I think Power Rangers The Movie is a great shmup. Each character gets a special move using their weapon and you also get to pick which giant robot to fight with in the robot sections.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 10 21:59:25 2018 No.4896104 >>4892680 Mega Drive is faster, has smoother scrolling and superior graphics and sound

Anonymous Tue Jul 10 23:01:50 2018 No.4896234

>>4895780
A lot of this will be down to the Genesis VDP instead of the CPU because it supports an extra layer, and more importantly, has quite powerful scrolling capabilities. Also helps that the PC Engine’s Strider port was trash.

Many graphical tricks on PC Engine had to be offloaded onto the CPU what Genesis could do equivalently on VDP.

Anonymous Wed Jul 11 00:20:56 2018 No.4896380

>>4896234
>Many graphical tricks on PC Engine had to be offloaded onto the CPU what Genesis could do equivalently on VDP.

Oh yeah, the Genesis VDP was quite good at scrolling multi-layered backgrounds. I think it only 2 or 3 scrolling layers, but the VPD could do other tricks like changing the speed of a scanline on a layer to create parallax effects. Or make the layers go all wavy.

Here's another comparison. Raiden Trad on the PCE vs the Genesis/ MD:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EUUtrQu1Uk

The PCEngine version looks pretty nice overall and is a good rendition of the original arcade game. But the Genesis game is higher resolution, and I think the levels were made a little longer for this version (I could be wrong?). The Genesis game is closer to the arcade version in many ways. Though it does have washed out looking colours.

Compare the SNEs port of Raiden Trad to the Genesis/ MD:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4z_iyJKeqSE

The SNES port has nicer colours, but the background layer looks like it is running at 20FPS.

Anonymous Wed Jul 11 01:17:55 2018 No.4896469

>>4892729
Most of the best has already been mentioned but ill throw in a few others.

Zero wing is unironically pretty good despite being a meme game
Sol Deace has an awesome ost but is weird because your sprite is huge for a shmup
In Bio Hazard battle you play as an insect. I like shmups where you control something besides a plane or ship, like Phelios and Elemental Master
Oh yeah I guess there's a Raiden on genesis too that's pretty good

Anonymous Wed Jul 11 01:21:17 2018 No.4896476
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>>4896380

There is a decent ROM hack for the Genesis Raiden Trad that alters the colour to look more like the arcade game, it also alteres the sprites and tiles to make the Genesis/ Mega Drive game look closer to the arcade title. It looks good.

https://www.romhacking.net/hacks/3598/

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 11 02:10:37 2018 No.4896553 >>4892782 hard lmao @ r-type iii being better than thunder force iv

Anonymous Wed Jul 11 02:42:55 2018 No.4896597
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>>4896553
>hard lmao @ r-type iii being better than thunder force iv

There is a Thunder Force game for the SNES called Thunder Spirits. Thunder Sprits on the SNES is a port of the Thunder Force AC arcade game that was published by Sega. Thunder Force AC is based on Thunder Force III on the Genesis/ Mega Drive.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfFjOqquYtI

So the SNES Thunder Spirits plays like a streamlined version of the Genesis/ Mega Drive Thunder Force III. Thunder Spirits is one of the better shooters on the SNES, but at the same time it is worse than Thunder Force III in so many respects. Thunder Sprits has way more slowdown, is missing the level select from the Genesis game. Is lower resolution. It does have a good soundtrack, though. But I prefer the Genesis soundtrack over it.

Thunder Spirits is a good SNES shooter, but at the same time, the SNES still struggles to emulate Thunder Force III. Thunder Force IV is a technical showpiece. I doubt the SNES would be capable of a solid port.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 11 03:02:32 2018 No.4896617 >>4892778 Id say mediocre but def playable

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 11 03:07:53 2018 No.4896627 File: 6 KB, 256x224, recca-16.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] the famicom got recca which owned hard

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 11 03:35:04 2018 No.4896658 >>4892680 Why did "shmup" become an acceptable way of referring to shoot 'em up? It's not like shoot 'em up has a lot of letters in it to begin with.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 11 03:40:33 2018 No.4896660 >>4896627 This thing is pretty nuts for a NES demo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfY79-3AdGY All that bank switching and whatnot.

Anonymous Wed Jul 11 03:53:50 2018 No.4896671

>>4896469
>Zero wing is unironically pretty good despite being a meme game

I think it is one of my lesser favorite Toaplan games on the Genesis/ Mega Drive. It has some neat ideas and plays well. But gameplay is a little uninspiredIt's like a B- or C+ to me. But it does have a kick ass soundtrack.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5G71vqqqPQ

Anonymous Wed Jul 11 06:32:35 2018 No.4896760
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>>4892680
PC Engine > Mega Drive > SNES.

Most of the SNES' shmup library is composed of 6/10 games. Genesis has more 8/10+ shmups, but more trash too (things like XDR and Xenon 2).

>>4892729
Thunder Force III / IV, Gaiares, Battle Mania 1 / 2, Lords of Thunder, Musha Aleste / Robo Aleste, Gleylancer, Eliminate Down, Bari-Arm, Gynoug, Bio-Hazard Battle, Darius II, Super Fantasy Zone, Elemental Master, Raiden Trad, Silpheed, Tatsujin, etc.

>>4892782
>R-Type III > Thunde Force IV
No.
>Axelay > Gaiares
No.
>UN Squadron > Fire Shark
Yes.
Space Megaforce > MUSHA
No, Spriggan > Musha > Super > Robo.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 11 09:05:12 2018 No.4896923 >>4896760 >Space Megaforce > MUSHA The sheer level of faggotry even exceeds /vr/'s unsual standard. Well done brosef!

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 11 09:08:10 2018 No.4896926 >> >Space Megaforce > MUSHA The sheer level of faggotry even exceeds /vr/'s unsual standard. Well done brosef!

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 11 09:19:18 2018 No.4896941 >>4892919 they put horizontal shmup in kirby dreamland and super mario land

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 11 09:26:59 2018 No.4896953 >>4896627 >>4896660 Thanks /vr/ for showing me this game, its on the 150 in 1 so obviously its a cult classic i feel special for playing a game no one else has played than /vr/ posters

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 11 10:15:07 2018 No.4897009 >>4896926 It's true though. MUSHA is boring with only 3 special weapons and worse music. Space Megaforce is a much better compile shooter.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 11 12:14:39 2018 No.4897170 >>4896760 >PC Engine > Mega Drive > SNES. What are some of the best shooters for the PCE and I guess PCE CD-ROM as well?

Anonymous Wed Jul 11 12:19:29 2018 No.4897175

>>4892680
Genesis had 68k and SNES had 65816. While the 68k used more clock cycles per instruction than the 65816, it could be clocked significantly higher. It also had multiply instructions. Overall the 68k had more computational power. Of course the SNES had a variety of on-cart coprocessors to make up the difference if needed.

Also, the screen resolution on the genesis is better, which is important for shumps.

Anonymous Wed Jul 11 12:53:55 2018 No.4897241

>>4897170
Gate of Thunder (CD)
Lords of Thunder (CD)
Air Zonk
Magical Chase
Ai Cho Aniki (CD)
Coryoon
Download
Rayxanber II (CD)
Rayxanber III (CD)
Soldier Blade
Super Star Soldier
Final Soldier
Star Parodier (CD)
Gunhead
Nexzr
Sapphire (CD)
Spriggan Aleste (CD)
Star Parodier (CD)
Sylphia (CD)
Tatsujin
1941 Counter Attack (SG)
1943 Kai
Raiden

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 11 13:18:36 2018 No.4897286 >>4897241 Most of those are trash. I feel sorry for NECbeards unironically enjoying them.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 11 14:18:07 2018 No.4897419 >>4897241 where's cotton

Anonymous Wed Jul 11 16:20:29 2018 No.4897613

>>4897419
>where's cotton

Cotton is a solid shooter on the PCE. But to be honest, I think I like Panorama Cotton more on the Mega Drive:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufVi3aL6ol0

Panorama Cotton simulates the look of a sprite scaling on-rails shooter and it does it really well. I think it is a better game than Star Fox on the SNES.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 11 16:53:20 2018 No.4897648 Märchen Adventure Cotton 100% on the Super Famciom is pretty good too. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOwuykejlE8

Anonymous Wed Jul 11 21:35:52 2018 No.4898104

>>4895197
>Gayers was off the hook

Jokes aside, it is an excellent shooter for the console. Renovation made a few good shooters for the Genesis.

Arrow Flash
Whip Rush
Vapor Trail
Elemental Master (this one was made by Technosoft)

I also liked GRANADA, which is an omnidirectional styled shooter where you drive around in a tank.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 11 22:22:20 2018 No.4898194 >>4892680 Coz it had a Motorola x68000 cpu which made porting from arcade games with the same cpu easier. >>4892778 >>4898104 Phalanx and Granada are inferior ports

Anonymous Wed Jul 11 23:11:42 2018 No.4898290

>>4898194
>Granada are inferior ports

Granted it is not as good as the Sharp X68000 original. But it is still a good port in its own right and manages to play just as well as the original. For a 1990 release, it is fine.

Forgotten Worlds is another early Genesis/ Mega Drive shooter that I really liked:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOlJ6_JeCSw

It was limited to a 4megabit cartridge, so it doesn't look anywhere as good as the arcade original. But it still played fine.

PC-Engine CR-ROM port is also good. Has a great CD soundtrack.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 11 23:15:08 2018 No.4898295 >>4892782 Pretty much this.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 12 04:11:00 2018 No.4898705 File: 30 KB, 480x360, hqdefault.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >No mention of Keio Flying Squadron Get it together guys

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 12 09:30:04 2018 No.4899114 >>4892680 Because "genesis" got the good cpu, and super nintendo got the trash one.

Anonymous Thu Jul 12 09:56:24 2018 No.4899158

>>4899114
But the SNES can do transparencies, and pixelate things, and rotate one sprite. Ever think about that? Smart guy! Yeah. That’s what makes a great action game, not having tons of graphic layers or sprites. Oh and the Genesis resolution it too high. The SNES has the same resolution as a Famicom, the way it should be, and then, it’s slightly letterboxed, for speed. So, btfo Sega fags.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 12 11:59:38 2018 No.4899416 >>4892680 Because Genesis Does What Nintendont. CHRIST. We've been over this already.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 12 18:42:07 2018 No.4900239 File: 26 KB, 240x210, images.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4892729 Dont forget about Insector X !! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bvi9wA6Wqc

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 12 18:47:04 2018 No.4900257 File: 2.70 MB, 426x240, 1524881447622 (1).gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4899416 Yeah nintendo makes money and consoles, while sega sucks miyamotos dick to get sonic in a mario game. Fucking pathetic.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jul 12 21:41:10 2018 No.4900660 >>4892680 Because the SNES had a shit processor.

Anonymous Sat Jul 14 00:00:52 2018 No.4903017

>>4897241
Air zonk is good. Violent soldier and that hori where you play as a cute little dragon are pretty decent as well. But man I don't get why people go nuts over the pce shmup library, aside from those 3 games I only really like a handful of arcade ports.

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