/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.4885054]

Could it have saved the abortion that was the Sega Shiturn?

[Anonymous No.4885287]

>>4885054
No. God I am so fucking sick of dumb Sonic fans going around spouting "SATURN SUCKS" and pretending that a fifth gen Sonic game could ever have

1. Been good to begin with
2. Saved the Saturn

I've said it many times, and I'll say it again: NiGHTS is a better game than every 3D Sonic game combined, and I genuinely, truthfully mean that. As for the Saturn, it was irreversibly doomed in NA on May 11, 1995.

[Anonymous No.4885298]

I'll never get the obsession with this game, is it just because it's classic Sonic? Classic Sonic had bad games too if you look beyond the trilogy.

This game looked like complete dogshit.

[Anonymous No.4885316]

>>4885054
Why was it handed to the STI? Those hacks had 1 (one) good game, shit would have flopped either way.

[Anonymous No.4885341]

>>4885054
No, all footage of the game looks boring and empty. It resembles abandonware today

>>4885316
When you say handed to STI I'm not too sure what you mean. The game was always in under their supervision. Now Yasuhara did do the early stages of planning, game design, and stages. You're asking why it wasn't just handed off to another Japanese dev? Good question.

[Anonymous No.4885392]

Nah
It looked kind of shyt and the Saturn already had one foot in the grave

[Anonymous No.4885397]

>>4885287
Nights is a fucking meme game. Nobody wants to fly through rings or do loop de loops in the sky to gain more points and shit, or play as a flamboyant jester.

[Anonymous No.4885410]

>>4885054
All the Saturn had to do was sell all of its Japan-only games to the US.

[Anonymous No.4885412]

There's more to Sega than fucking Sonic

[Anonymous No.4885419]

>>4885412
Name one other Sega IP that has sold anywhere near Sonic's level.

You can't.

[Anonymous No.4885421]

>>4885412
Yeah but only a fraction of it is worth a damn.

[Anonymous No.4885427]

>>4885419
I don't give a shit about sales, I care about substance, and Sonic has little to none compared to SoR, Phantasy Star and Shenmue

[Anonymous No.4885428]

>>4885412
Try telling Sega that.

[Anonymous No.4885434]

>>4885427
Post them Sonic 2 IL times, big boi.

[Anonymous No.4885445]

>>4885316
What was STI's one good game?

[Anonymous No.4885449]

>>4885445
the ooze

[Anonymous No.4885453]

>>4885449
What about die hard arcade?

[Anonymous No.4885462]

>>4885453
Doesn't really count since that was mostly made by AM1 members, not STI.

[Anonymous No.4885465]

>>4885462
I can accept that answer.

[Anonymous No.4885565]

>>4885287
>NiGHTS
lol, fuck off.

[Anonymous No.4885575]

>>4885054
Not ever. A 32 bit sonic adventure equivalent maybe could have saved it, but never a fisheye lens motion sickness simulator.

[Anonymous No.4885576]

>>4885397
>fly through rings or do loop de loops in the sky to gain more points and shit
^This guy's 100% correct by the way. I thought at first maybe he was exaggerating but this garbage is like an extended version of the N64 Superman game where all you do is fly through rings.
Seriously, go to any random spot in this video and note how it always lands on the faggoty jester flying through rings:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFxH6-g8FGQ

[Anonymous No.4885632]

>>4885397
>>4885565
I bet you guys are shit at the game, just awkwardly floating around not really knowing what to do. This is how you play NiGHTS

[Anonymous No.4885639]

>>4885576
>C rank all 8 rounds in a row
>complaining about NiGHTS
POTTERY

[Anonymous No.4885640]

>>4885632
>This is how you play NiGHTS
Like a faggot, exactly.

[Anonymous No.4885646]

>>4885640
This is the second time you've projected about being a fag anon, wanna talk about it?

[Anonymous No.4885649]

>>4885632
Wrong. I A-ranked every level and still think it's a bad game. Would've rather got a Ristar 2 at Saturn's launch, much better mascot character than the autistic hedgehog and homo jester.

[Anonymous No.4885650]

>>4885649
>A-ranked every level
kek no you didn't

[Anonymous No.4885656]

>>4885341
That's not what abandonware means. Abandonware is software that the copyright holder no longer exists for or enforces--it is abandoned by its IP holder and thus is free to download without consequences. If Xtreme were abandonware we would be able to play it.

[Anonymous No.4885658]

>>4885656
The correct term is vaporware

[Anonymous No.4885663]

>>4885650
It's not even hard, you retard. You just loop around the stage collecting more points instead of going directly to the gazebo after blowing up the squid to collect its orb. Getting all emblems in SA2 is where the real challenge is at.

[Anonymous No.4885669]

>>4885663
>SA2
Oh, it makes sense now

[Anonymous No.4885680]

>>4885419
I can name a dozen better though.

[Anonymous No.4885683]

>>4885669
Don't pretend you're any better for preferring SHiTES.

[Anonymous No.4885710]

>>4885646
I mean it in the literal sense, they refused to even give that poor jester a sex designation, he's a hermaphroditic fairy thing who's cursed to eternally fly through an expanded version of the worst mainstream video game of all time (N64 Superman) only otherwise modified by way of it having been vomited all over by the 32X Chaotix color scheme.

[Anonymous No.4885741]

>>4885656
>>4885658
I'm aware of both terms and the differences but abandonware and vaporware are used pretty interchangeably. The distinction between the terms isn't worth correcting anybody on

Game looks like a hot dumpster fire, no contest

[Anonymous No.4885761]

>>4885445
Comix Zone

[Anonymous No.4885779]

>>4885397
>>4885565

Sonic is a fucking meme game. Nobody wants to collect rings or run through loop de loops on the ground and shit, or play as a Mickey Mouse Jester.

Shut up, lol.

[Anonymous No.4885835]

NiGHTS was based and red-pilled.

[Anonymous No.4885901]

>>4885835
>NiGHTS was based and red-pilled.
>based
>red-pilled

Pick one.

[Anonymous No.4885906]

>Shiturn
Angry gen Z detected.
You came to late to the party, you missed out buddy.
Saturn rules.
Great machine, I love owning mine. Playing some Real Bout Special as we speak, loser. Can you play practice mode on the arcade? No you can't lol.

[Anonymous No.4885916]

>>4885779
>Nobody wants to
>Original Sonic sold over 22 million units on Genesis and had over 44 million units in multi-platform sales

[Anonymous No.4885919]

>>4885779
Actually, running fast and bouncing off shit with pinball-esque physics is fun as hell. Sorry your taste is shit so that you'd rather play NiGHTS than Sonic.

[Anonymous No.4885927]

>>4885916
Sales don't determine quality, dumb frogposter

[Anonymous No.4885934]

>>4885927
They determine whether "nobody wants to" play the game, retard.
Don't backpedal.

[Anonymous No.4885951]

>>4885397
Maybe nowdays, but back in 1996 people wanted to play actual video games.

[Anonymous No.4886000]

>>4885951
Right, that's why Saturn was such a successful system, everyone wanted to play NiGHTS.
If by everyone we mean fewer than 500K people.

[Anonymous No.4886008]

>Nobody wanted to play that
>L-less than 5-500k people w-wanted to play hat
Don't backpedal, autist.

[Anonymous No.4886010]

>>4886008
I'm not the one who said nobody wanted to play it.
You are, and/or the other anon you're arguing with might also have said something like that.

[Anonymous No.4886013]

>>4886010
>You are
Proofs?

[Anonymous No.4886015]

>>4886013
Are you the one who wrote this post?:
>>4885779
It doesn't really matter if you aren't because my original reply was to that post making me right.

[Anonymous No.4886019]

>>4886015
Nope. Though in context of that post, yeah, you're right.

[Anonymous No.4886029]

>NiGHTS had 500K sales
No wonder we got to the state of the modern industry, nobody bought video games back when video games were still made

[Anonymous No.4886076]

>>4885906
Yeah, I always found the Saturn sucking meme to be weird among retro gamers. I get it, sales sucked. Doesn't mean the games did. It's pretty much home-MAME paradise. It reads off as those thinking DC only had 3 games before they actually combed through the library themselves.

[Anonymous No.4886085]

>>4886076
DC got way more exclusive arcade games though, mainly because the hardware wan't complex trash.

If I had to choose between one or the other in current year, I'd go with dat memecast, baybee.

[Anonymous No.4886091]

>>4886085
I like both so I'm not going to fight that fight. I'm just saying, even before you add Japanese-only games to the mix, there are plenty of cool arcade-style and original games. Their only sin seems to be them not being big names.

[Anonymous No.4886092]

Why couldn't Sega just keep supporting the system?
I had a Dreamcast magazine where the promised the Dreamcast was not going anywhere.

[Anonymous No.4886094]

>>4885410
This. Sega execs were out of their minds.

[Anonymous No.4886101]

>>4886094
forgot pic

[Anonymous No.4886110]

>>4886092
They didn't want to fool around with the console business anymore at that point, pretty sure that was the reason.

[Anonymous No.4886117]

>>4885656
But we can play xtreme. Some fans recompiled a leaked beta for PC a few years back.

[Anonymous No.4886390]

No, The Saturn sucks for 3d, What they should have done was a more complex and bigger 2d Sonic, Maybe imitate Castelvania (With sotn) and let it have proper game time for the time.

[Anonymous No.4886493]

>>4886390
If Sonic Mania was to come out for the Saturn, it would have been a blockbuster.

[Anonymous No.4886498]

>>4885054
No, it would have tanked it harder because it would have been complete shit. Look up some videos of it, it's fucking laughable.

If they had released the Sonic World part of Sonic Jam as a full game, then MAYBE that could have done something. Even then it probably would have been too late with the Dreamcast around the corner.

[Anonymous No.4886912]

>>4885412
>There's more to Sega than fucking Sonic
Correct, but didn't Sega and the Dreamcast's reputations get seriously damaged after the 32X and Saturn seemed to flop? I'm pretty sure the lack of a mainline Sonic game (not spin-offs like Chaotix & R or remasters/rereleases like 3D Blast & Jam) led many previous fans of Sega to abandon them in favor of the competition, thus damaging the company and its final console's reputation.

[Anonymous No.4887236]

Let me put it this way: in this graph the Sega Saturn was in 3rd in Christmas sales of 1996. However, that still is a lot of sales. If Sega marketed the system more, slashed some prices, and pushed for a 3D Sonic game, then the Saturn would have been saved. We saw a similar strategy with the Dreamcast in holiday 2000, the same could have been done for the Saturn.

[Anonymous No.4887241]

>>4885054
Consoles need 3rd party titles to not die.

[Anonymous No.4887325]

>>4887236
Gift day really makes or breaks it doesn't it? Is that graph ps1+ps2 sales?

[Anonymous No.4887372]

>>4887325
No just PS1.

[Anonymous No.4887375]

>>4885054
It would've made Sonic a Bubsy-tier joke.

[Anonymous No.4887413]

Could it have saved the abortion that was the Sega Shiturn?
http://slimedaughter.com/games/twine/tails/

[Anonymous No.4887538]

>>4887241
Explain why Nintendo hasn't died since the SNES then.

[Anonymous No.4887567]

>>4887538
They put out a metric fuckton of high profile first party titles.

[Anonymous No.4887578]

>>4887538
The Wii and Switch have a crapton of third party titles. Even the N64 had a lot of quality third party titles.

[Anonymous No.4887580]

>>4887578
Not anywhere near NES, SNES, PS1 or PS2.

Also, "crapton"? Nice hyperbole.

[Anonymous No.4888042]

>>4886498
>part.of Sonic Jam
There's some guy recreating one of the earlier versions of Sonic X-Treme from scratch by building his own 3D engine for the Saturn. He's clearly put in a lot of work but it seems like it would be better for fans to try and make a 3D Sonic Saturn game based on the far more graphically impressive Sonic Jam hub world.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=d1qc8F7xflM

[Anonymous No.4888154]

>>4886493
No it wouldn't.
People were getting tired of 2d games and no matter how good they might have been, they were getting panned just for being "old fashioned"

[Anonymous No.4888571]

>>4887538
MORIO
And portables, barely anyone could outfield Nintendo in portables.

[Anonymous No.4888638]

>>4885054
Sonic has always been Sega's worst IP. Sonicfags are the niggers of the Sega community.

[Anonymous No.4888836]

>>4888042
He's started uploading about that again. He's made a ton of progress.
https://youtu.be/A3ClV-6aLdQ

[Anonymous No.4888864]

>>4885445
Sonic 3

[Anonymous No.4888898]

>>4885632
as a fan of nights you disgust me. this webm just shows the exact same segment repeated 5 times. ive never played christmas nights but can say normal nights is not this repetitive

[Anonymous No.4889474]

>>4888836
Yes it's very imoressive. I would like it if there were more Saturn homebrew. It has much untapped potential which can be seen in the Saturn Shenmue footage or the unreleased Saturn version of Virtua Fighter 3

[Anonymous No.4889764]

>>4889474
>unreleased Saturn version of Virtua Fighter 3
>triangles

[Anonymous No.4889778]

>>4889474
>>4889764
But this isn't the Saturn VF3, this is the arcade version.

[Anonymous No.4889779]

>>4889764
Oh good point! But it apparently required the use of an also unreleased accompanying cartridge that provided enhanced performance for the saturn so it could more closely port SEGA arcade model 3 games. Maybe it was a new 3D chip inside that used triangles

[Anonymous No.4889793]

>>4889778
I know, I think it's from an emulator. I just remember that a lot of people think that image is from the unreleased Saturn port of VF3, but the Saturn couldn't do triangles.

>>4889779
This too I think is from an emulator. I don't believe Sega ever got any work done on the 3D accelerator cart.

[Anonymous No.4889816]

>>4885640
All you can do is blurt obscenities like you have tourettes. You must be a summer child. Nights is a great game, its fluid fast and the controls are good. Trying to compare it to superman 64 is the dumbest thing ive heard in a while. Really show you dont know what the fuck youre talking about.

Now, Get the fuck off my lawn, before i tell your mom to make me a sandwich

[Anonymous No.4889819]

>>4885649
>Grade A bullshit from a retard

[Anonymous No.4889830]

>>4885934
It has more to do with adverstising. You absolute jigaboo bitch. Everytjing younsay is wrong and you continue to spout shit off like we dont know what youre doing.

Youre not good enough to be a troll, you arguments are easily seen through as a ploy to get a rise out of somebody, maybe if you were a good troll, but damn. Just damn. You suck as a person and should probably repeatedly hit yourself in the face with a tire iron. It would do you a world of good.

[Anonymous No.4889835]

>>4889793
So do you believe the Saturn version if Shenmue woukd have also required that accelerator cart or do you think it was just clever programming on a stock Saturn? I would really like to see the homebrew scene push the Saturn to what it could have done if given a few more years of life originally.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=foZUcPQAMvg

[Anonymous No.4889843]

>>4888898
I dunno what that was about. I was playing it the other day.. not like that, and its funny how nobody mentions the FULL FUCKING 3D WORLD WHEN YOU BECOME A KID AND HAVE TO FIND YOUR WAY BACK !

[Anonymous No.4889872]

>>4889830
My argument there is objectively right in a very straightforward way.
Try looking at the context of what it was in response to:
>>4885779
>Sonic is a fucking meme game. Nobody wants to collect rings or run through loop de loops on the ground and shit
Now here's the initial response:
>>4885916
>Original Sonic sold over 22 million units on Genesis and had over 44 million units in multi-platform sales
And here's the part where someone else (not sure if it was you or not) mistakenly brought up quality when that had nothing to do with the original claim:
>>4885927
>Sales don't determine quality
Hence the response:
>>4885934
>They determine whether "nobody wants to" play the game
Try doing a better job reading next time.

[Anonymous No.4889884]

>>4889872
You didnt even rebutt my response. How stuck up your own ass are you?? Fucking idiot.

[Anonymous No.4889887]

>>4889884
Wrong, I did. Try again.

[Anonymous No.4889901]

>>4885287

Completely agree. Nights is the Sonic formula in 3d and it works perfectly.

[Anonymous No.4889907]

>>4889887
Where? I said it was more about advertising, then you started vagilating like a pussyliath. You said nothing that had to do with my point, but keep on kidding yourself baby girl.

[Anonymous No.4889912]

>>4885649

You sound like a buttmad third grader.

[Anonymous No.4889947]

>>4889907
>Where?
Here:
>I said it was more about advertising
If you go back and read the original context of posts, I never once claimed anything about *why* lots of people wanted to play Sonic, which is the topic you're trying to switch to by bringing up advertising.
The only thing I did was respond to the claim nobody wanted to play it by pointing out that's ridiculous given Sonic is one of the best selling games of all times.
That, by definition, means lots of people wanted to play it.
Whether they wanted to play it because they were brainwashed by advertising or because it was actually a high quality game is completely irrelevant to what my post was about.
Try to do a better job reading next time.

[Anonymous No.4889964]

>>4889947
Deflecting my point is not a good way to win an argument.

The guy you were arguing with stated that nights is better. Then, you started babbling about less than 500k people have played it, thats why nights sucks (to paraphrase). Then i said, "that has more to do with advertising." Then you started vagilating profusely.

[Anonymous No.4889971]

>>4885287
>NiGHTS is a better game than every Sonic game combined
Fixed

[Anonymous No.4889972]

>>4889947
The term "hidden gem" is around because lots of great games didnt get proper advertising. So your brainwashed from adverts over good games is a null point. You shouldnt argue with people if you dont understand deductive reasoning.

[Anonymous No.4889975]

Wasn't there also a 3D Sonic game in the works fir 32X that got canned? Oh yeah here it is. Kinda looks more fun than most versions of X-Treme on the Saturn https://youtube.com/watch?v=u7IRF7xG6M4

[Anonymous No.4889980]

>>4889975
reminds me of Super Monkey Ball Jr on the GBA

[Anonymous No.4890045]

>>4889964
>The guy you were arguing with stated that nights is better.
That wasn't me. I think that's where you got confused here.
I never once made an argument about quality. That's what I keep trying to tell you.
Go back and read the nice string of context posts I outlined for you, they explain everything.
>>4889972
>The term "hidden gem" is around because lots of great games didnt get proper advertising.
Holy fuck you're dense.
I
never
said
anything
about
quality
.
That's not what my posts were about. I saw someone making a stupid claim about "nobody wanting" to play Sonic and responded with the absolutely correct point that a very large number of people definitely did want to play it.
Whether they did because of advertising or because it was actually a high quality game has nothing to do with what I was saying.
If you want to know whether people wanted to play a game you look at how many people played the game.
This is a very simple concept.

[Anonymous No.4890070]

>>4890045
I did. That was partially my argument. I never said you were the one that said it
In context, in your green text i said the guy you were arguing with.

My whole point is, nights was never as advertised as much as sonic. People didnt know about it as much. This was after sonic became a household name. If nights had a larger advertisement scheme it could have been huge. Thats it. My point had nothing to do with anything else that you were spouting. You should feel stupid.

[Anonymous No.4890080]

>>4890070
What do you mean Nights had a huge advertising push. Remember they threw PS1s out a window and said "fly plaything, fly"

[Anonymous No.4890083]

>>4889975
Looks a lot like Bug.

[Anonymous No.4890094]

>>4890070
>My point had nothing to do with anything else that you were spouting.
Except you responded to my post to make your "point."
If you weren't talking about what I posted you should have responded to the post you did mean to respond to.

[Anonymous No.4890106]

>>4890070
More specifically, you wrote:
>>4889830
>It has more to do with adverstising.
>Everytjing younsay is wrong
In response to my post which made no claims at all about WHY Sonic sold so well.
I wasn't "wrong," Sonic did sell really well. That means lots of people did want to play it.

[Anonymous No.4890113]

>>4890094
>>4890106
Get a load of these guys

[Anonymous No.4890125]

>>4890070
>This was after sonic became a household name.
Sega is fucking retarded, Theys should have milked the shit out of sonic when it was popular but instead they made some literally who IPs, How do you expect previous fans to buy the next console without the basic shit?
Imagine if Nintendo released a new console without any of it's big IPs, ItIt would fail miserably!

[Anonymous No.4890128]

>>4890113
>I was only pretending to be retarded
OK

[Anonymous No.4890158]

>>4890125
>none of its goid IPs
Saturn has a Shinobi X

[Anonymous No.4890181]

>>4885316
>Those hacks had 1 (one) good game

No, STI made at least 4 good games from the top of my head.

I think what you mean is that they wrote the 1 (one) Sonic game that was actually good (Sonic 2).

and no, Sonic Xtreme wouldn't have helped the Saturn, since all Sonic games except Sonic 2 sucked dick, and since Sega themselves did not want to sell the Saturn (confirmed by Hideki Sato).

[Anonymous No.4890186]

>>4889835
It was just clever programming. What makes it look good is that it does things like vertex animation. And note that any part of that video that has more than 1 character model runs at 10 frames per sec.

[Anonymous No.4890190]

>>4889975
That was a proof of concept 3d render they threw together in an Amiga. Not an actual game.

Also, Chaotix started out on the Megadrive, was moved to the Saturn to be Sonic 4, but it was severally behind schedule so they removed Sonic & Tails and put it on the 32x as a side game.

[Anonymous No.4890196]

>>4890125
>Theys should have milked the shit out of sonic when it was popular but instead they made some literally who IPs,

Megadrive had a bunch of literally who IPs too, even after they made Sonic. Saturn was just following suit. The lack of Sonic was because Yuji Naka gave the finger and went on to work on Nights and Burning Rangers.

[Anonymous No.4890202]

>>4885927
this has to be the most autistic post i have ever seen

[Anonymous No.4890219]

>>4890158
They would have win much more money with a new Sonic game.
>>4890196
Damn, What was his problem? Couldn't he see a Sonic game would have been much more profit for Sega? Or Sonic wasn't that big on Japan?
>>4890202
He is right Sales don't determine quality BUT sales are much more important than quality if we are talking about what a company should have done

[Anonymous No.4890226]

>>4890202
Its true though. Lots of people bought the switch, but it seems they are all cracking now. Great sales, poor quality.

[Anonymous No.4890352]

>>4890158
Yea... and it was the worst Shinobi game until the 3D one on PS2.

[Anonymous No.4890412]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPYPmXETH00

Is there a word for nostalgia you would have felt in an alternate universe that you now feel?

[Anonymous No.4891117]

>>4890125
>Imagine if Nintendo released a new console without any of it's big IPs, ItIt would fail miserably!
Most of them did even with the big IPs, and the WIi was only successful because of it's gimmick. Switch is probably the first success Ninty's had since the SNES that wasn't a meme.

[Anonymous No.4891120]

>>4890412

[Anonymous No.4891139]

>>4891117
I'm talking Saturn level failure

[Anonymous No.4891140]

>>4891139
So the Gamecube and the Wii U?