/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.4877096]

Is RE3 worth going back and beating? I gave up as a kid when I met Carlos or some short time after.

[Anonymous No.4877102]

You barely played the game then. As for worth, if you enjoy the classic games, it will be worthwhile since it's slightly updated from 2 with emergency dodging. Otherwise, don't bother.

[Anonymous No.4877224]

Yes, 3 is good but unfortunately a little short. The best part about it is the fact that you get to explore Raccoon City (to an extent, ps1 games not being very big and whatnot). 2 was good but disappointing because you are on the streets of RC for like 10 minutes but in 3 you are running around the city having fun. Take down Nemesis outside and inside the police station and get the Eagle in the first 20 minutes and run around crackin kids with it in speed runs. It's fun. Obviously you wont be speedrunning it your first few times but rest assured that it is fun. Save your type C gun powder for freeze rounds.

[Anonymous No.4877230]

>>4877224
When I was younger and getting into RE I was fascinated by Raccoon City and remember seeing pictures of it in magazines and thinking about the mean streets lol. Something about running around that city really appealed to me.

[Anonymous No.4877592]

>>4877096

It was always my favorite

[NESfag No.4877686]

Yes, it's a great game. Tons of replay value.

[Anonymous No.4877870]

>>4877686
It has the most replay value of the trilogy yet it is the weakest entry imo

[Anonymous No.4878079]

>>4877686
That is the room where you get Nemesis stuck on the bookshelf and take him down with the pistol to get the second set of eagle parts.

[Anonymous No.4878135]

What do you guys think about the PC version? It's doable with the keyboard? I should have an original copy of the game somewhere in the basement, at the times only my brothers played it because i was too scared.

[NESfag No.4878164]

>>4878135
Best version of the game but get a pad or an adaptor.

Lot's of people like to play RE games with a keyboard for some reason though

[Anonymous No.4878246]

>>4878164
Tank controls are very smooth on keyboard

[Anonymous No.4878386]

God Tier:
RE3

High Tier:
Code - Veronica

Mid Tier:
RE1

Low Tier:
RE0

Shit Tier:
RE2

[Anonymous No.4878396]

>>4878386

What the fuck with this shit list.

[Anonymous No.4878401]

>>4878135

Speedrunner anon here, the MediaKite one is the best for speedruns, but it's in Chinese. I'm sure there's a patch though.

[Anonymous No.4878428]

>>4878401
Thanks but no thanks, lol. I don't wanna play in chinese, it's good alone if i remember anything from the plot, so... I wan't to enjoy it, this time. My question was if it was doable, but that was already answered. Again though, thank you! Speedrunner, huh? You do it on stream? Because maybe i know you...

[Anonymous No.4878434]

>>4877224
>>4877230
I was excited for that too but honestly it ended up being a bit of a letdown. The streets of the city in RE3 mostly amount to narrow alleys and a couple of main streets. I was hoping for full on Silent Hill type stuff.

[Anonymous No.4878443]

>>4878428

No, I'm a scrub next to AGDQ/Twitch people, I'm just an amateur speedrunner.

There's also the regular American PC Port of RE3 which is also good, lets you skip doors like the Chinese one, and has the best presentation, you can make the game look quite pretty.

I would also recommend the PC port of 1. 2 unfortunately sucks on PC.

[Anonymous No.4878460]

>>4878443
Understood. Thank you for clearing that out and for adding even more info!

[Anonymous No.4878581]

Why is Jill dressed like a whore in this gamew?

[Anonymous No.4878584]

>>4878581
Why else?

https://archiveofourown org/works/7794544
https://archiveofourown org/works/7794475

[Anonymous No.4878589]

>>4878584
Based Japan

[Anonymous No.4878593]

>>4877096
Genuinely my favourite game in the series. I like the randomization that enables so much replay and the gunpowder system is my favourite weapon mechanic in the series - not only do you choose what ammo your item finds become, but you actually "level up" your mixing every 3/4 times you create the same ammo type. Now you make more of it. It creates a decision between mixing gunpowder AAA once for more bullets now vs mixing gunpowder A 3 times to level up the tool and make more bullets with your AAAs later.

For pistol and shotgun, after a certain amount of mixing you can even start making Enhanced ammo for the weapon that only works on the basic guns, giving players the option to keep using them for their power even when a faster, superior pistol/shotgun becomes available from Nemesis kills.

[Anonymous No.4878620]

>>4878581
You clearly didn't see her Slut Outfit on Deadly Silence you could touch her goodies too and watch how she reacted

[Anonymous No.4878812]

Reddit Tier:
>>4878386

[Anonymous No.4878887]

One > Two > Three > Four > Five > SixSeven > EightNineTen > Eleven > Tweeeelve.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZshZp-cxKg

[Anonymous No.4878898]

>>4878620
Wait what?! I just got a new 2DS XL. If true, I'm buying Deadly Silence.

[Anonymous No.4878902]

>>4878593
The gunpowder mechanic would have been so much better if freeze rounds weren't objectively better than everything else in the game in 99% of situations. It's not like materials are sparse either, you end up with way more than you feasibly need by the end of the game, even fighting Nemesis every time.

Choosing how to spend gunpowder should have been a choice you really deliberated over.

[Anonymous No.4878907]

>>4878902
Yeah, agreed. Hard mode is pretty much a breeze once you figure this out.

[Anonymous No.4878915]

>>4878902
Yeah I guess I'm used to basically using oddball weapon runs since freeze grenades are boring after the first playthrough.

[Anonymous No.4878918]

>>4878898
You read right. Enjoy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agNVd83CRtM

[Anonymous No.4878920]

>>4878915
I'm enough of a tragic minmaxer that I honestly never thought to try doing this. Huh. I should.

[Anonymous No.4878967]

>>4878918
This might be the best thing Capcom has ever done.

[Anonymous No.4879049]

>>4878967
Definitely agree.

[Anonymous No.4879621]

G U N P O W D E R

[Anonymous No.4879775]

>>4878620
>>4878898
>>4878918
>>4878967
You can touch Chris, too.

[Anonymous No.4879817]

>>4878581
She was going out on a date with me but tragedy struck

[Anonymous No.4879828]

>>4877096
>Woke up this morning
>Saw this pic
>Located the artist responsible, looking at other works of theirs
>Masturbated furiously
Thanks OP

[Anonymous No.4879837]

>>4878079
>not using the knife

[NESfag No.4880260]

>>4878079
What shelf is that? I always get him the hard way in the corridor where he bursts through the window.

[NESfag No.4880335]

>when you decide to fight Nemesis in the restaurant
>and the glitch of the PC versions showing small herbs from other rooms tell you the red herbs spawned in an-accessible alley

Fuck

[Anonymous No.4880569]

>>4877870
i think you meant to say STRONGEST entry

2 is good but it doesn't do the puzzles/atmos or the action as great as 1 or 3

[Anonymous No.4880581]

>>4880335
I didn't know this? Where did ya find this out?

[NESfag No.4880608]

>>4880581
it also happens in RE2, but only 1-2 rooms in each game are concerned and only on PC.

[Anonymous No.4880617]

>>4880335
>>4880608
I wonder if you can move the camera in Dolphin to find those on the GC versions.

[Anonymous No.4880783]

>>4880335
>>4880608
the PC version follows the Rule of id
>welp, heres the boss, so take this shit and goodbye, or Good Luck if you survive.

[Anonymous No.4881014]

>>4879775
W-what about Rebecca?

[Anonymous No.4881020]

>>4877096
so what are the meaty, throbbing, veiny shoulder things for anyway?

[Anonymous No.4881025]

>>4877096
Man, this game was getting ragged on in the gaming press back in the game but it was fucking stellar. I really loved busting the heads of those hunters with muh magnum. Good fun.

[Anonymous No.4881027]

>>4881014
she spends her time doing porn for wantan works

[Anonymous No.4881157]

I like RE2 more for personal taste reasons but RE3 has much better puzzles, and the slightly randomised solutions and item placement also helps with replay value.

[NESfag No.4882271]

>>4880617
I don't know what you mean by this, but these are located downstairs, and it seems to be the only reason why they're showing so small and why only a few rooms are concerned.

[NESfag No.4882375]

>>4878443
Well good job, here is my attempt just now.
I used PC Sourcenext version in US Hard mode.

I used to perform much better, been a while since I did this so I waste a lot of time picking up un-needed supplies and since I was playing in Jap I made the wrong choice at the cable car and used the brakes, hence wasting time as well.

I'll try again some other time, this time in English.

[Anonymous No.4882387]

>>4882375

I did pick up a lot of herbs as well, but did not use sprays, and also skipped the shotgun. Almost choked on the Nemesis acid fight too. If you want to shave a couple of minutes, Mediakite version is worth it. Since pretty much all my choices are the first option, it's hard to mess them up.

[NESfag No.4882391]

>>4882387
>Mediakite

How is that version any faster than the other PC versions?

[Anonymous No.4882395]

>>4882391

As far as I know, the Chinese language is the absolutely fastest. There's less words overall.

[NESfag No.4882563]

>>4882375
>>4882375
Second attempt, this time using English version. 11 mins saved already, picked up less supplies but still too many, I'd need to optimize on that and pick up only what's needed

>>4882395
I see, I might check it out.
What route do you follow?
I do

>enter police station without picking up any card and input the code directly
>gas station
>power station -> electrify grate
>pharmacy
>jump out the window of the cable car
>use the cord on Nemesis
>Jump off the bridge

and at the end: Negotiate with Nicholai and Ingore and Evacuate to save time, but in normal play I wreck their asses.

For weapons:
>a bit of handgun until I get the shotgun
>shotgun for the few zombies which are harder to dodge throughout the game
>Gas grenades on Nemesis at the clock tower fight
>Acid grenades and Magnum on the worm fight
>Gas grenades and Magnum on the Nemesis fight in waste procession room
>Magnum on final fight while I try to lure him into the trajectory of the missile

[Anonymous No.4882581]

>>4882563

>emergency exit on power station
>push nemesis off balcony on clock tower
>push nemesis off the bridge
>nikolai dies

>no shotgun
>fire grenades on clock tower fight
>only acid grenades on worm
>knife the acid valves
>use whatever i have left on last fight

[NESfag No.4882620]

>>4882581
>>push nemesis off the bridge

Why? I always thought this took more time.

[Anonymous No.4882630]

>>4882620
It's been so many years that I've only done that, I can't really remember why. I remember it was for a reason though, not sure if it manipulates other cutscenes or enemy spawns.

[Anonymous No.4882702]

>>4882563
just curious how many times did you play this to get a time so short?

[NESfag No.4882717]

New attempts, tried to optimize supply pick ups but I could do even better. Wasted a few mins on stupid things as well.

>>4882630
afaik all non-Nemesis encounters are semi random. Same for the semi-random item pick ups, they're just that, random, and actions have no effect on them.

Pushing Nemesis off the bridge means that you have to go down the elevator all the way to the water test water; and then go all the way back up; whereas if you jump off you're already down there.

The main difference though is the way Nicholai shows up, so maybe there is a time save there.

Also, do you jump off the cable car or use the brakes? I think jumping off is faster, same principle, and it's rewarded by a pack of gas grenades.
However I'm started to think that using the brakes may lead to an easier Nemesis fight.

>>4882702
Pic related is my 3rd attempt as of recently, hadn't played the game in quite some times.. however, I played this game a LOT, probably a hundred times or more. I used to do "fast runs" as well which would usually end up below 1h30 but I never really tried to optimize it

[Anonymous No.4882728]

>>4882717
> probably a hundred times or more
I see, yeah Iv never gotten past a part where theres a puzzle involving gems. is it better than RE2?

[NESfag No.4882737]

>>4882728
That puzzle is more than half way through the game. Just try to solve it logically until you get the right combination:
>grey, brown, yellow
>grey, yellow; brown
>yellow, grey, brown
>yellow, brown, grey
>brown, yellow, grey
>brown, grey, yellow

and yes I think it's much better than RE3. It's my favourite RE.

[Anonymous No.4882785]

>>4882717

They're not. At least the route I follow the encounters are very consistent. What is random, however, is either he will or not follow you through door transitions.

Yes, I do jump off the cable car.

[Anonymous No.4882792]

>>4882717
>>4882785

Nevermind, you were talking about regular mobs. Yes, they are pretty much random.

Getting bad spawns like hunters on the way to the water puzzle is a bad time and can cost you a lot of time. It happened to me on this run.

[Anonymous No.4882895]

>>4878812
Nah, reddit would kiss the ass of the worst classic RE in the series (RE2).

[Anonymous No.4882912]

>>4882717
>afaik all non-Nemesis encounters are semi random

On top of that, enemy HP is determined randomly each time you enter a room. If you do damage to an enemy, leave the room, then come back, their HP will be refilled and randomized once again.

I didn't mess around with it long enough in RE3 to get exact HP ranges, but I found that in RE1, zombie HP ranges from 19 to 99, and Cerberus HP ranges from 59 to about 122 (but they take more damage from most weapons). Zombies in RE1 take 8 damage from the knife, 12 from the handgun, while the Cerberus takes 30 damage from the knife, 27 from the handgun.

[Anonymous No.4883062]

>>4878918
>>4879775
These made my day

[Anonymous No.4883237]

>>4878386
*SNAP*

[NESfag No.4884429]

New attempt, new personal record. Still using the English PC version on Hard. Got some shit luck on puzzles and I know I can optimize supplies pick up even more, I'm starting to think I should not care for the magnum and use gas grenades only, as it's proven to be incredibly fast against all mandatory bosses.
I do like to have the magnum at hand if I get unlucky Hunter spawns though... lot's of RNG at play for a perfect run.

[NESfag No.4884698]

>>4878443
Finally got you beat on this attempt using the Sourcenext version, which seems to be a bit faster than the US one.
I optimized supplies pick up really well here but I think I could go below 1h if I optimize even better and with luck on puzzles and encounters... not sure i'll try though.

With my current tactic there really isn't more than 4-5 mins to save max though I think

[Anonymous No.4884713]

>>4884698

Good job. You seem to have some turbo autism though, lol. I played RE3 maybe twice this year. I didn't really optimize anything other than the key item route, there's plenty of menuing screw ups and puzzle screw ups, namely the music box one due to the chinese language. I'm focused on a lot of other games, including other RE games.

[Anonymous No.4884736]

Is Dreamcast still the best way of playing RE2 and RE3 on console?

[Anonymous No.4884740]

>>4884736

For RE3, yes. For RE2 I would argue that GC is better, it's all on one disk and it's the only one that allows you to skip cutscenes.

[Anonymous No.4884751]

>>4884740
At least each of the 4 campaigns can be finished without disc swapping. Hate having to do that shit in the middle of a run.

[NESfag No.4884779]

>>4884740
The GC version doesn't have the Nightmare difficulty which the DC version has though, and it's an amazing mode.

For regular plays I'd argue that skipping cutscenes is nice; though iirc, the PC version is still faster, you can't skip cutscenes but you can skip doors.

>>4884713
>You seem to have some turbo autism

Yeah, I guess. I used to do fast runs of RE1-2-3, no saves ,as a teen so it all came back to me quickly.

That's a good time on Leon B. I don't think I ever went below 1h30 but I never really tried to optimize it fully either.

[Anonymous No.4885925]

Is it true using herbs affects your ranking?

[Anonymous No.4886007]

>>4885925
They do not. First Aid Sprays do in some games, though.

[Anonymous No.4886024]

>>4885925

It's still up in the air, at least on RE3. RE3 counts how many % of your hp you have healed. So herbs should count, but not as much as first aid sprays.

[Anonymous No.4886036]

>>4886024
You sure about that? I've never heard of herbs affecting the ranking, ever.

[Anonymous No.4886045]

>>4886036

You'd need to heal a shit ton, but I'm not sure about it, hence why I said so. On RE2 herbs do not affect, but I think RE3 counts the amount of hp healed, not how many items were used.

[Anonymous No.4886061]

>>4886045
Well, I can't test it out until next weekend, if need be.

Jill has 200 HP in RE3. A green herb heals 50 HP, two heals 100, and three heals 200, as does a green and a red. First aid spray is also 200.

0 to 20 HP is danger, 21 to 40 is orange caution, 41 to 100 is yellow caution, 101 to 200 is fine. I'm pretty sure HP and herbs work the same way in RE2, though the JP version of RE2 reduces the damage you take once your HP is 120 or less. This feature was removed from the US release.

RE1 is different, because Chris and Jill both have different HP values, and their HP is further modified by what mode you're playing on. The JP and US versions have the same HP values, as far as I've tested, but you take 20% more damage from enemies in the US. On Arrange mode, Jill has 70 HP, and a single green herb healed her for 23 HP, while two combined healed for 46. So, it looks like it's 33% recovery for each.

RE1 HP values, for the curious:

Normal mode:
Jill: 96 HP
Chris: 140 HP

Beginner mode:
Jill: 150 HP
Chris: 180 HP

Arrange mode:
Jill: 70 HP
Chris: 100 HP

[Anonymous No.4886194]

>>4882271
Why do the character models in RE3 look so much sharper compared to earlier games? It's all the same hardware.

>>4881157
Really not looking forward to seeing his transformations in REMAKE2.

[Anonymous No.4886228]

>>4886194
That's screenshot is definitely not running on original hardware but just like any series, they make improvements to the game engine as they go along.

[NESfag No.4886628]

>>4886194
These screenshots are from the PC versions

[Anonymous No.4886774]

>>4886061
Would you happen to have monster damage values? Like a zombie vomit does 30 damage, etc. For any re game

[NESfag No.4886817]

Getting closer to that fateful sub 1h...

What pisses me off is that this was a near perfect run except for the final boss, as it took FOUR railgun shots (instead of two) to kill him because I couldn't lure him into the trajectory well enough... had that gone well i'd probably be sub 1h, oh well

[Anonymous No.4886952]

So what is the best way to play this game if I never have before? Emulate the GC version?

[NESfag No.4887004]

>>4886952
Why emulate the GC version when you can play the PC version?

[Anonymous No.4887020]

>>4887004
Wasn’t sure if there were availability issues, I’m a pirate brainlet so sometimes getting my hands on old games can be touchy

[NESfag No.4887023]

>>4887020
Should be fine.

Right click to get the options. If you see weird lines on the backgrounds, turn off texture compatibility.

PC version lets you skip doors as well as cutscenes.

[Anonymous No.4887078]

>>4886774
I have a few. I kinda ran out of time to mess around with testing stuff like that, but I hope to get back to it eventually.

RE1 (JP)
Zombie: 10 (bite), 6 (leg bite), 5 (vomit)
Cerberus: 12 (bite)

Keep in mind that the damage you take in the US RE1 is 20% higher, at least as far as the early game enemies go. I didn't get to test anything from later on in the game.

RE2
Zombie: 30/20 (bite), 7/5 (leg bite or vomit)
Brad Zombie: 45/? (bite)
Licker: 100/80 (jumping slash), 22/15 (swipe), 37/? (tongue)

Speaking of Brad, he has 250 HP, which is why he takes so long to go down. The second damage values are for when your HP is 120 or less in Biohazard 2, because you basically get a defense boost after that point.

RE3 (JP)
Zombie: 20 (bite), 5 (leg bite or vomit)
Cerberus: 12 (bite)

Each zombie bite does 30 damage in the US RE3. I didn't have time to test much else from the American version.

Nemesis has 600 HP on easy mode, and 800 HP on hard mode. He falls down when his HP is reduced to half. Excess damage past half HP is wasted. For instance, if you use a rocket launcher (405 damage) on Nemesis on easy mode, he'll take 300 damage, then fall down. The rest of the damage won't go through.

I also have some weapon damage values, but I mostly only tested early game stuff.


RE1
vs Zombie
Handgun: 12 (50 with the silver M92F critical hit)
Knife: 8
Shotgun: 43 to 53 (range dependent)

vs Cerberus
Handgun: 27 (60 with critical hit)
Knife: 30

In RE1, the damage you deal is dependent on what mode you're playing on, as well as which character you're using. On normal mode, Jill's handgun does 12 damage to zombies, but if you're playing as Chris, you're only doing 9 per shot, despite the fact that it's the exact same gun. Initial testing showed that the damage you deal in Arrange mode is the same, while Jill was doing 18 damage with the handgun in Beginner mode. The knife did 14 damage in Beginner.

[Anonymous No.4887097]

>>4887078
In RE2, I only got to test a handful of weapons on zombies. Starting with RE2, handgun damage is variable depending on how far away you are from the target. The closer you are, the more damage it does.

vs Zombie
Handgun: 14/15/16 (distance)
Knife: 3
SMG: 4

Despite the fact that Leon and Claire's handguns have different magazine capacities, they deal the same amount of damage per shot. Also, you read it right; the knife does a whopping 3 damage per hit.


I didn't do extensive testing in the US version of RE3, so I don't know if weapon damage is the same in that version or not. It should be, but you never know.

vs Zombie
Handgun: 13/14/16 (distance)
Knife: 10
Shotgun: 50/70/90 (distance)
Magnum: 600 (!)
Assault Rifle: 8 (per shot, auto or manual)

The shotgun and magnum are programmed to auto-kill zombies with headshots, regardless of how much HP they have. I tested this by setting a normal zombie's HP to around 3000, which is also how I got the damage for magnum body shots. Magnum body shots will always kill a zombie, and decapitate it, but they're actually different from close-range headshots with the magnum in the programming, since the body shots deal (excessive) damage, rather than the auto-kill effect of the headshot.

[Anonymous No.4887104]

>>4887097
As mentioned before, Nemesis has 600 HP on easy mode, 800 HP on hard mode. He basically has two pools of HP, because you can't damage him past half HP until after he starts to fall down. Here's what the various weapons do to him.

Knife: 10
Handgun(Normal): 15/17/19 (distance)
Handgun(Enhanced): 25/27/29 (distance)
Merc Handgun: 15/17/19 (distance)
Eagle 6.0: 15/17/19 (distance) 65 (critical hit)
Shotgun(Normal): 30/35/45 (distance)
Shotgun(Enhanced): 45/50/60 (distance)
Western Custom: 30/35/45 (distance)
Magnum: 65
Assault Rifle: 8
Grenade Launcher: 55
Flame Grenade: 70 (direct hit) 1 (flames)
Acid Grenade: 65
Freeze Grenade: 85 (direct hit) 1 (ice)
Mine Launcher: 5 (direct hit) 30 (explosion)
Mine L.(Homing): 40 (direct hit) 30 (explosion)
Gatling Gun: 16
Rocket Launcher: 405

Because he's such a durable target, I went through the trouble of using the entire arsenal against him. It's much easier to get damage values against Nemesis, since he can take some hits.

[NESfag No.4887380]

finally made it sub 1h (still PC Sourcenext version played on US Hard), phew, that was close.
I should try to record a run now, but I hav eto admit I got lucky on puzzles AND enemy spawns there for the most part.

>>4887104
>>4887097
>>4887078
Where did you use to get the precise values? Hex editor for PC or PS1 versions?

Also I could swear RE1 had many more difficulty differences not only depending on version but also on region, but maybe I was had by the semi-randomness of enemy HP. Which region/versions have you checked?

[Anonymous No.4887395]

>>4887380
>Only have an old 32-bit Vista laptop for gaming atm
>Your posts make me want to play RE3 so torrent the PC version
>Mainly playing it because I never played Mercenaries back in the day
>Beat the game with a mountain of saves and heals because laptop keyboard for controls
>Apparently the only torrent I found for the game is the one release that doesn't have mercenaries at all

Dario levels of suffering.

[Anonymous No.4887396]

>>4887380
I used Cheat Engine to find, track, and modify values while they were running in ePSXe. Most of my testing was done on the Japanese versions, because I wanted to start with the originals, then find out what was changed in the US versions later on. I did some comparisons between values in Biohazard and Biohazard Director's Cut, and didn't find differences between the base game. Not sure if Director's Cut Dual Shock changes anything, because I don't even have that version.

[NESfag No.4887594]

>>4887395
Are you sure? It's not accessed through the main game menu but it has its own executable in the PC version.
Either way googling for another version which has it isn't hard, you don't even need a torrent.

[Anonymous No.4887620]

>>4887594
Yeah, I have the Xplosive release, which never had it. Thankfully I found an abandonware site with both RE 2 and 3 earlier and now I'm just waiting for them to finish downloading on my snail connection. I never tried the extra mode for 2 either despite beating it dozens of times over the years, so I'm going to try that for the first time as well.

[Anonymous No.4887626]

>>4887620
Aaaaaand just as I post this, the RE 2 download fails and refuses to retry. Swell.

[Anonymous No.4887875]

I need some help in the first Nemesis fight. I can dodge his attacks pretty consistently, but sometimes i still get hit even if i dodged his attack. Any advice? Also is it even worth it to kill him the first time? From what i ready the first 2 times he drops parts for a handgun which doesnt seem worth it, in re 1&2 the handgun pretty much becomes worthless in mid game

[Anonymous No.4887889]

>>4887875
The Eagle 6.0 is a really good handgun, though. It fires faster than the standard handgun, and has a chance (something like 15 to 20%) of getting a critical hit, which basically does magnum damage.

[Anonymous No.4887901]

>>4887889
Ah i didnt know that, figured it wouldnt be worth it. So for the first nemesis fight, should i use the pistol on him? I have 3 gunpowder a, think that should be enough for him

[NESfag No.4887953]

>>4887875
The first fight is the hardest.

You want to use the basic handgun, and make some ammo for it using gunpowder first.

Stay at mid distance, never too close, never too far.
Fire 2-3 shots, run away to mid distance on the other side, repeat.
Always dodge on his right arm, the arm he doesn't attacck with.

have the few herbs you have at this point ready, and good luck

[NESfag No.4889280]

>>4887875
>Also is it even worth it to kill him the first time? From what i ready the first 2 times he drops parts for a handgun which doesnt seem worth it,

Btw, drops aren't linked to encounters. What I mean is drop 1 isn't linked to the first encounter, but you get it when you knock out Nemesis the first time, meaning that if you miss en encounter, it will delay what you get and you won't be able to get everything.

There are 2 encounters which don't count: in the train, and when you play as Carlos.
Also, depending on what decisions you make, you can get two free drops, but he'll still get up after those two. Those two still count as the same encounter, no need to knock him out again.

[NESfag No.4889294]

>>4887396
Did you take note of where those values are located? Are they located at the same address in all versions you tested?
I'd like to check more versions of more regions to see if I was wrong about my theory

[Anonymous No.4889413]

>>4889280
So are you saying those 2 encounters you mentioned are skippable, and it wont affect the drops in any way?

[NESfag No.4889431]

>>4889413
Yeah, the one in the train doesn't count because it gets stopped by a cutscene either way.
The one with Carlos doesn't count because you're playing as Carlos. You will meet Nemesis as Jill right afterwards though, and that counts.

[Anonymous No.4889438]

>>4889431
i see, makes sense. well im gonna just play and figure things out myself. thanks anon

[Anonymous No.4889531]

>>4881014
and rebecca, too
though she reacts the same way jill does

[Anonymous No.4889539]

>>4882895
just because it's the worst of the og 3 doesn't mean it's bad
for instance, SH2 is the worst of the og 3 silent hills but it's not a bad game

[Anonymous No.4889657]

>>4878386
oh i get it we're playing bizarro /vr

[NESfag No.4889745]

Anybody if anything can be done about PC Sourcenext version freezing during door transitions? It's super rare but when it does happen it's a pain in the ass.

>>4889539
>thinks RE2 and SH2 are the worsts of their respective trilogies

Are you me?

[Anonymous No.4889758]

>>4889539
>>4889745
RE3 is my least favorite of the original trilogy just because it doesn't feel as 'substantial' to me as RE2. It's good but it's pretty short and feels like more of a companion piece that wraps up the Raccoon City story arc.

[Anonymous No.4890127]

>>4877096
There's a contingent jill_cuffs_carlos_in_the_dining room_xxx.gif
you're missing that

[Anonymous No.4890198]

>>4889294
The values are at different locations for each version.

[Anonymous No.4890270]

>>4889657
RE2 being shit on is a thing that I'm beginning to see a lot more often
coincidentally, around the time I started saying RE2 is, more or less, the same as RE1 with an added B scenario that mixes things up and adds stuff

kinda like countdown vampires
>>4889745
I just have good taste and a contrarian lean
but to be fair over the years I have justified my contrarian views with legitimate points

[Anonymous No.4890302]

>>4889539
If your SH ranking isn't SH4 > SH2 > SH3 > SH1, you're a moron.

[Anonymous No.4890310]

>>4890302
it's clearly 1 > 3 > 4 > 2 > 4

[Anonymous No.4890443]

>>4890302
repeating those levels all over again and babysitting that girl was unforgivable. Other than that it was an interesting experience, especially the first-person apartment sequences.

[Anonymous No.4890462]

>>4890443
The Room is legit the only SH that actually spooked me.

[Anonymous No.4891590]

>>4880260
In the party room which is the first room from the main entrance, need to run in there very fast and be as close to the book shelf as possible while not being close enough for him to do his running punch.

He does unstuck himself periodically so if you use a knife you need to be ready to move again. If he is running while stuck he will also free himself much faster but will go in circles a bit giving you a chance to get out of the way of his running punch.

[Anonymous No.4891625]

>>4887901
for the first nemesis fight he will actually follow you outside of the police station, right outside in the area with a bunch of cars, you can trap him on a wall near the door that needs the lockpick to open, you need around 60 handgun bullets but with this you can knife him a bit as well

[Anonymous No.4891940]

>>4889745
Never happened to me. However I did yet again, on another pc, experience corrupt saves. I alternated slots on hard mode and it was all fine and then on my 7th or 8th save (pre-sewers control room) I just cheesed it until the very end and died to a plant or something, and that save didn't appear at all.

Very frustrating. Also for those who consider the PC version, you dont have to play to unlock the hard mode, you can just edit it in in the regedit.

[NESfag No.4892080]

>>4891940
>trying to beat my speedrun record
>reset twice because doing terribly at the start
>finally doing better than ever
>game freezes at the RPD staircase

pic related

[Anonymous No.4892305]

>>4890270
>RE2 being shit on is a thing that I'm beginning to see a lot more often

You're right and I smell eceleb parroting.

[Anonymous No.4892310]

>>4892305
I highly doubt an eceleb out there doesn't follow the status quo of RE2 being one of their favorite REs

I think people are starting to realize they were wrong for praising a game that's really not THAT great

[Anonymous No.4892317]

>>4892310
I mean I agree the original mansion is a better setting, but RE2's various areas are still far better than what we got in Nemesis imo. Frankly I think Capcom got kind of lazy with stuff like a newspaper building and an amazingly small zoo.

[Anonymous No.4892326]

>>4892317
Oops, my bad. I was conflating RE3's park with the zoo from Outbreak. Regardless, my main complaint with Nemesis is that the environments never really open up much despite much of it being outdoors on the streets of the city.

[Anonymous No.4892410]

It's the game everybody forgets brought Resident Evil to it's action game era.

it's an okay game honestly, exploring Raccoon City is probably the best part of it, and that doesn't even last long.

[Anonymous No.4892453]

>>4892410
>re3
>brought it to its action era
huh?

[Anonymous No.4892462]

>>4878164
I am currently emulating RE2 on Dolphin on my laptop and I usually don't have a gamepad with me.
Movement is top notch with keyboard. You can get used to the buttons having to be on the right hand and then it's perfectly playable.

[Anonymous No.4892478]

>>4892462
Yeah tank controls work just fine on a keyboard. It's not like RE games generally require very precise movement except when you're trying to weave through a group of zombies or something.

[Anonymous No.4893976]

>>4891625
ended up having to do this. im the anon that was asking for help for the first nemesis fight a few posts above. felt kinda cheap doing it like this but i got fed up after like 20+ tries. the most frustrating part was that sometimes he does a 2 hit combo, a left grab/swing followed by a right hook that will hit you if you were running past him after the first attack. i can dodge him consistenly but the 2nd attack would almost always hit even if dodged.

[NESfag No.4894327]

>>4893976
>>4887953
Here is how I do it, in video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FeYpLm65VeE

Not perfect but it shows there is room for error

2nd fight is also hard but at least you have magnum or grenade launcher if you're lucky.

[Anonymous No.4894393]

>>4894327
which would be better to get between the magnum and the grenade launcher?

[Anonymous No.4894404]

>>4894393
probably the grenade launcher as freeze rounds are very easy to make and kill him very quickly and he doesn't immediately run at you if you shoot him with a grenade unlike the magnum

[Anonymous No.4894407]

>>4894327
>>4894393
also forgot to say thanks for that video. i see that you didnt even go for dodges at all. i guess part of my problem was that i tried to overextend and get 2 shots every time, and the run away/dodge. i was getting hit much more than you did as a result.

[NESfag No.4894446]

>>4894393
Freeze rounds for the grenade launcher is OP against Nemesis.

[Anonymous No.4895758]

>>4877096
yeah, played it a lot back in the day, should have never named it RE3 though, it's clearly a spin-off. RE3 is Code Veronica

[Anonymous No.4896002]

>>4889280
>>4889294
>Love classic RE
>see this
This is where it started to go wrong.

[Anonymous No.4896012]

>>4896002
you do realize the shotgun in RE2 did the same thing, and the upgraded shotgun literally cut zombies in half

right?

[Anonymous No.4896159]

>>4896012
So even 2 had a bad seed in it.

[Anonymous No.4896165]

>>4896159
Magnum and shotgun blew off heads in RE1, too, as did the silver M92F. Not sure what your deal is.

[Anonymous No.4896197]

>>4896159
it was always pretty action-oriented
dino crisis 2 was basically the ultimate evolution of RE

[Anonymous No.4896202]

>>4896159
>>4896165
BTFO

[Anonymous No.4896361]

>>4878164
>Lot's of people like to play RE games with a keyboard for some reason though
Lol that's retarded, nobody actually does that righ---

>>4878246

[NESfag No.4896676]

>>4895758
>CV is real RE3

I'm impressed the thread lasted this long before the meme showing up... anyway, here we go again:

The first time CV was EVER mentionned was at a TGS in October 1998 with a 20 secs video, and 1 month before with 3 screenshots given to the press.
It was already called Biohazard: Code Veronica, as you can see in the piC.

September-October 1998 is a YEAR before RE3 was released.

Finally, Capcom had a contract with Sony to have 3 numbered RE title with them. Therefore, even if CV was released after 3, the only way they're getting away with developping it for Dreamcast is if it's not a main title. It was never RE3 and it was a spin off.

The confusing development of RE3 probably didn't help. At first, there were talks of a RE3 for PS2 (not, this had nothing to do with CV as stated above), and people even inside the dev team didn't agree of what RE3 should have been (a spin off, Mikami even wanting it to be an add-on for RE2, idea which lasted about 3 days because he, as a producer, got turned down).


Finally I think the confusion also comes from the fact that both titles were being developped at the same time, and from the press. You know how the press talks about "Duke Nukem 4!" and "Silent Hill 5!" even though those titles were never an official thing? Try that with 2 games of the same series being worked on at the same time.

[Anonymous No.4896718]

>>4896676
Neither game is a "spinoff". They're both direct sequels to RE2 but IIRC Sony and Capcom had some sort of exclusivity deal at the time where only the PlayStation would receive numbered entries.

[Anonymous No.4896723]

>>4896361
Yeah I prefer tank controls on arcade stick

[Anonymous No.4896759]

>>4894327
>Wasting 2 minutes for a upgraded version of the handgun.
Im not even sure if its worth it or not

[NESfag No.4896767]

>>4896759
It's not about that, it's about the challenge and getting every drop. Besides, whether you kill him here or later, you're still getting the gun as first 2 drops.

Anyway I don't touch Nemesis when speedrunning. Here is my new record, still in US Hard, but I'm still not satisfied, I know I can do better, though the more I play, the higher I put the stakes... not sure I'll ever be satisfied

[Ice Manon No.4896907]

>>4879828
Who is the artist anyway?

[NESfag No.4898749]

[Anonymous No.4898895]

>>4892453
You know, run around and kill everything, pick up so much ammo, create ammo, not really need to worry about survival, like what also happened later in 4, 5, 6, Operation Raccoon City, Umbrella Corps, pretty much 7.

There will probably never be another Resident Evil game that has the same survival horror style that 1, 2, and CV had. 7 almost had it, but sadly it just couldn't hit it right because it just has so many pickups that it doesn't feel like you even need to try to survive, unless you're playing on Madhouse. It had a really nice theme though, I liked the mix of running around an RE1 style map and having patrolling enemies like Nemesis from RE3.

[NESfag No.4898952]

>>4898895
RE3 is still survival horror, unlike RE4 and the other games you mentionned

Survival horror is action-adventure with a horror theme and survival gameplay mechanics

Adventure mechanics in RE3: figuring out what to do, where to go, solving puzzles; making choices which impact the story

Survival mechanics: limited inventory, management of supplies, dodging and fleeing is as much encouraged if not more as fighting is, Nemesis chasing you everywhere

Horror: death everywhere, gore, scares, lonelessness and apocalyptic feeling, tension that makes you on your toes all the time and fighting impossible odds with Nemesis and the fact that the entire situation seems hopeless

Action: twice based controls used to flee and fight

But what makes RE3 so great is that it manages to be a great action game at the same time; but it's still survival horror because of all these elements, which is the difference with a game like Dino Crisis 2 which lacks the horror element and is almost purely action as the adventure elements are dubbed down to the bare minimum.

RE4 also lacks the survival, adventure, and horror elements which are all dubbed down as well. In b4 "inventory and supplies management also applies", well yes, but not to the same extent at all.
For instance RE4 encourages fighting first and foremost. Also the game is literally designed so you can't run out of supplies: not only enemies drops supplies, which by design is anti-survival horror, but on top of that those drops are programmed so that the fewer handgun ammo and healing items you have, the more likely they are to be dropped.

[NESfag No.4898959]

>>4898952
> twice based controls

I mean twitch based controls; which is the main pillar defining the action genre in video games

[Anonymous No.4899364]

>>4898895
>2
>literally start in areas packed to the gills full of zombies the average player won't know how to dodge
>one of the first rooms you go into introduces the licker
>another of the first rooms you go into throws ~5 zombies at you
>decide to go to the other door in that room, ~5 more zombies
>ammo literally everywhere
>shotgun in the second area you are able to go into

buddy RE2 was a fucking hollywood movie

[Anonymous No.4899376]

>>4899364
Been saying this for years. There were maybe two big scares in the entire game. RE2 was very much like a big summer blockbuster.

[Anonymous No.4899405]

>>4898952
RE4 pretty quickly throws you into trial by fire situations though. You’re welcome to disagree but I have a hard time believing anyone wasn’t on the edge of their seat, fighting for survival during that first village battle in 2005.

[NESfag No.4899493]

>>4899405
>You’re welcome to disagree but I have a hard time believing anyone wasn’t on the edge of their seat, fighting for survival during that first village battle in 2005.

as far as video game genre defining goes, survival is about gameplay mechanics, not feelings or difficulty. Otherwise, Doom would be a survival horror on Nightmare difficulty but not on easy, which makes no sense.

RE4 has drops programmed so you're never likely to run out, it has shops, it's all about the shooting whereas enemy placement and behaviour in RE1/2/3 encourages dodging, etc etc those are the mechanics which make the difference for genre defining


>>4887078
Any idea about Resident Evil Deadly Silence? I just played the western release and it seemed to me to have easier difficulty.

[Anonymous No.4899505]

>>4899493
Fair enough but imo only the first RE really qualifies as actual “survival horror”. The series went in a decidedly more action oriented direction starting with RE2. Resources were nowhere near as limited and individual zombies were no longer a threat like in the first game.

[NESfag No.4899526]

btw here is my latest RE3 speedrun record, I got fucked as Carlos and could have done better against the 2 Nemesis fights but other than that I'm satisfied with it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCI7RR2WtR4

>>4899505
In RE1 there is enough gun ammo to kill every enemy (not counting infinitely respawning ones). It also has a fuckton of healing items, + using sprays has no impact on rank and bonus items earned.

What makes it survival horror is the way you get that ammo, the way it's hidden and you have to look for it, the way you have to manage it, the way the game encourages dodging and fleeing with its enemy placement and even with its bosses, etc

[Anonymous No.4899537]

>>4899526
Meh. I fail to see all that much of a difference between enemies dropping ammo vs finding it laying on the ground of a mansion library for no apparent reason.

[Anonymous No.4899569]

>>4899493
RE1 enemies are really weak compared to RE2 enemies, and the knife is a viable weapon.

[Anonymous No.4900404]

Am I understand this correctly?

RE2 port for PC bad but RE3 port for PC good?

also how is the PC version of Dino Crisis and 2?

[Anonymous No.4900482]

>>4900404
There are two RE2 PC ports, and the first one is bad.

[Anonymous No.4900484]

>>4899493
>Any idea about Resident Evil Deadly Silence?

Nope, never played it.

[Anonymous No.4900496]

>>4900482
you mean the Japan-exclusive, Windows XP-compatible PC-DVD re-release one is good?

[NESfag No.4901245]

>>4900404
What's wrong with the original PC version? Other than compatibility issues with modern hardware, it's pretty amazing

>>4878401
Any idea where to download the Mediakite version? Can't find it myself and I can't submit my run because I'm using Sourcenext, which is pretty dumb

[Anonymous No.4901317]

Anyone else been emulating RE2? Pulled out a old ass monitor I got back at goodwill a few years back for $10 bucks and have been emulating it via Dolphin. Been working like a dream.

[Anonymous No.4901910]

>>4901317
ive been playing re1-3 on my psp through official PS1 classics. I hear the emulation of Ps1 games on psp are supposed to be real good, and a well known re speedrunner vouches for them.

[Anonymous No.4902424]

>>4900496
Yes, it is. That's the one I have.

[Anonymous No.4902489]

>>4896002
m8 you could blow their heads off like this with the shotgun in the very first game.

[Anonymous No.4903030]

>>4882563
>not pictured: number of savestates

[Anonymous No.4903208]

>>4884713
Amador

[Anonymous No.4903247]

>>4899505
My god, finished RE1(arrange) 3 days ago and I can garantee it I had more spare ammo than my playthrough of RE3 . Only thing is that chris inventory is an ass. People should stop memeing about RE1. RE3 is the prodigy of the generation.

[Anonymous No.4903757]

>>4903247
To each his own. I always found RE3's environments to be pretty bland. The original mansion will always be the creepiest setting.

[Anonymous No.4904281]

>>4896723
You absolute madman

[Anonymous No.4904816]

Is it just me or does the shotgun you get from nemesis kinda suck? It's of course quicker than the normal one but it is absolutely shit for headshots. It was a bit of a let down after getting the eagle

[Anonymous No.4905478]

>>4898749
>Okay Tier

[Anonymous No.4905489]

>>4905478
The tube top and skirt is just so generic. Jill's iconic RE1 outfit will always be the best.

[Anonymous No.4905983]

>>4877096
Yea it's good, but fighting nemesis is disappointing and not worth it.
>>4877230
Same man, the city was real comfy and seeing an ad for umbrella sex lube cracked me up.

[Anonymous No.4905986]

>>4878164
>>4878246
Keyboard is best for tank controls.

[NESfag No.4905990]

>>4904816
It has wider spread, but shorter distance; higher firing rate and a shorter down time after shooting.

You need to be closer for headshots because of the shorter distance, but it has many other advantages. I love it personally.

[Anonymous No.4906507]

>>4905990
I have tried shooting it extremely close and it still aims too high for headshots

[Anonymous No.4908453]

>>4877230
I read about what happened to Hyrule Town in OoT as a kid, somehow never saw pictures, so for the entirety of playing the child section for the first time, I had these vivid images of the destroyed town playing out. For some reason I imagined a scene where Link was running over a small bridge inside the town.

[Anonymous No.4910131]

>>4881020
get out please

[Anonymous No.4910512]

No save run ruined.

[NESfag No.4910546]

>>4910512
Oh shit, I had no idea it could do that. The canon looked almost ready to fire as well.

[Anonymous No.4911792]

>>4910546
Me neither senpai. I just sat there in silence for a few minutes.

[Anonymous No.4911824]

>>4910512
fucking brutal that la

[Anonymous No.4912438]

Is Birkin aware of what's happening to him? Or is his consciousness completely gone after getting shot up and it's just the G-Virus using his body?

[NESfag No.4912501]

>>4912438
Sherry:
>I just heard my dad calling my name from over there!

[Anonymous No.4912552]

>>4912438
I think traces remain, like he's dreaming and is only half aware of his own mind. Probably each new mutation erodes his mind a little more

[Anonymous No.4912703]

>>4899376
>RE2 was very much like a big summer blockbuster.
is this supposed to be some grand revelation? it's exactly why I love RE2.

I think the people recently "realising" that RE2 isn't as good as they thought have gotten wrapped up in thinking it's something it isn't, and holding it to those standards.

[Anonymous No.4913014]

>>4880335
>>4880608
can someone explain this glitch?

[Anonymous No.4913025]

>>4890302
SH1 is the best one though.

[Anonymous No.4913038]

>>4896723
I prefer tank controls on dancing mat

[Anonymous No.4913049]

>>4912703
Oh I agree. I’m not saying it’s a bad thing at all. I enjoyed all the main RE games including 6 and never minded the action movie direction at all. Hell, RE1 ends with Jill/Chris wasting the Tyrant with a rocket launcher and then escaping in the chopper before the whole place blows. It’s not like it was deep, psychological horror or anything.

[NESfag No.4913062]

>>4913014
Most reasonable answer: the size of items that can be picked up are programmed to vary depending on how far they are from the camera.

In both cases the items are located in rooms below. Perhaps the rooms are loaded together, makes sense in the case of RE3 since you get to jump out of the window without a big loading screen in between.

Just talking out of my ass though.

[Anonymous No.4913220]

>>4913014
>>4913062
There's a normally inaccessible room below the newspaper, with two red herbs. To access it, you have to choose "Jump out of the window" when Nemesis comes.
The glitch here is that herbs are rendered in 3D, and they're rendered according to the distance you are from them. However, some value is overwritten and you can see the herbs below through the wall.

You can do the same with a gameshark. Turn on "walk through walls", and you can see that stuff that's rendered in 3D (doors, herbs, item boxes) show up from a distance, way before you can reach them.

[Anonymous No.4913229]

>>4905986
For Silent Hill perhaps with the way aiming works, but in RE I found them to be cancerous given that you have to move along the y axis at times.

[Anonymous No.4913536]

>>4913229
Huh? How is using a keyboard really that much different from a d-pad?

[NESfag No.4914965]

After replaying REmake and 0 just after having played 1/2/3, I think I finally nailed why I always have so much more fun playing 1/2/3 instead.

It's the controls, or rather the animations. 1/2/3 are tight, responsive, very fast. In REmake and 0, and ESPECIALLY in 0, all the animations have a bazillion frames and last forever, for character moves but also for enemies. The result *looks* smooth, but doesn't play as tight.
Too often it feels like I'm not in command because the game decided to showcase how many frames they could cram into an animation.
You know, when you missed a zombie headshot using the shotgun because the shotgun wasn't all the way up but in between? Fuck that shit.
Oh, and how long am I going to have to tap those buttons because the "enemy grabs me" animation lasts forever, it's not like it adds any tension, it's just boring.

A good example of technical advancement deteriorating gameplay. RE1/2/3 will always play better.

and 0 has it even worse with Rebecca and how they decided to give her insane recoil time between shots, especially with the handgun and the magnum. Useless bitch, because of their shit I have to play as some made up fag who's never seen again. They should have given her 2 more inventory slots to balance her better, which would have also helped with their stupid item management system.

[Anonymous No.4915729]

>>4878584
he's making another one.

[Anonymous No.4916715]

>>4878386
RE2>RE1>RE3>RE0>RECV

[Anonymous No.4916929]

>>4914965
Why don't you like Code Veronica, then? It has the "smoothest" gameplay of all classic REs.