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ITT: overrated shit.

>> No.4875201

>>4875180
you sir are a squid fucker

>> No.4875204

>>4875180
That would be dual orb 2. Fuck that game.

>> No.4875292

>>4875180
lol

>> No.4875326

All final fantasy are overrated.

>> No.4875343

>>4875180
JRPGs as a whole

>> No.4875345

>>4875180
is this the grind fest ff game?

>> No.4875353

>>4875180
>>4875326
>>4875343

Yo mamas' overrated.

>> No.4875361

>>4875353
You'll (hopefully) realize the genre isn't as good as you think when you become an adult

>> No.4875369

>>4875180
>>4875326
>>4875343
>>4875361

Master Baiters.

>> No.4875372

>>4875369
I'm serious though

>> No.4875386

>>4875361
I think the same.

>> No.4875390

>>4875386
This, the only JRPG fans are either teens or people nostalgic of JRPGs from their teens

>> No.4875398

Oh boy, another arrogant contrarian trying and failing to tell others that what they like is stupid and wrong.

I just LOOOOVE these threads!

>> No.4875404

>>4875398
>I still like Peppa Pig in my 30's, fucking contrarians telling me what I like is funny
JRPGs are kiddy shit

>> No.4875408

>>4875345
If you have to grind in FF6, you suck at vidyagames.

>> No.4875417

>>4875204
>overrated
Does anyone like Dual Orb 2? I mainly remember it as the game that has one battle song for every fight in the game, final battle included.

>> No.4875429

>>4875417
like FF1

>> No.4875430

>>4875404

You have yet to offer a compelling argument. All you are doing is stating an opinion that goes against popular thought (contrarianism) and hypocritically calling others children.

>> No.4875431

>>4875429
Yep. Except much less acceptable in a 1994 SNES game, where everyone had known for years that an awesome final boss theme was pivotal for setting the mood.

>> No.4875440

>>4875430
Narrative in JRPGs is very childish. Gameplay is very basic and usually there as filler between the narrative (particularly post-8-bit). They are designed so that even very unskilled kids can beat them with the possibility of grinding.
They're also designed to waste the most time, which is only appealing to kids with all the time to waste.

>> No.4875443

>>4875417
I finished that game. First half was not so bad, but the second half was hard as hell. The boss battles are really hard because the bosses can attack more than once in their turn. If it hit someone twice, it's dead. I used savestates in those battles. I didn't want to spend a lot of grinding.

>> No.4875446

>>4875180
ITT: universally praised games that contrarians dislike to seem important.

>> No.4875448

>>4875446
Some people just don't like the game period

>> No.4875484

Call me a treasure hunter or I'll rip your lungs out.

>> No.4875487

>>4875448
Then stop trying to jam your opinions down other people's throats. The problem with contrarians is that their opinions are objectively cosidered wrong by the majority so they lash out at them. It's fine if you don't like something, you're entitled to your opinion, just don't try to force it on others.

>> No.4875491

>>4875487
>Then stop trying to jam your opinions down other people's throats.
That's what you do with the FF spam
>what the majority thinks is objectively the best
Indeed, trash

>> No.4875495

>>4875440
>Ive never played DQ

>> No.4875501

>>4875495
I have

>> No.4875503

>>4875180

Your favorite game is overrated.

>> No.4875513

>>4875440
Wrpgs have either boring, generic purple prose riddled crap stolen from Tolkien, or bland cyberpunk and space marine tripe that's overly written with bland characters and little agency or drama. At least most jrpgs try something different from the usual orcs and elves and the Blade Runner/Starship Troopers stuff by drawing from their sensibilities and culture.

>> No.4875520

>>4875513
I'm not defending WRPGs, I just mention JRPGs because they're the spammed genre here and trigger anons more. Could have easily said RPGs in general, though JRPGs are even more childish.

>> No.4875528

>>4875520
>FFVI
>war crimes
>racism
>human experimentation
>pregnancy
>genocide
>mental illness
>child killing
>an actual apocalypse
>the will to live

Yep, real childish.

>> No.4875529

>>4875528
Each of those themes are handled in a very juvenile and childish way. Stuff for kids also handles that stuff, it's the way it's handled that makes the difference

>> No.4875569

>>4875446
I don't dislike FFVI to be contrarian, I dislike it because its gameplay is absolute fucking garbage. Unlike FF1's bugs screwing the game over, this game actually is responsible for the whole JRPGs = useless status effects thing.

>> No.4875572

>>4875569
This is what these hivemind assholes don't get, they think disagreement only comes from edgy contrarians

>> No.4875573

>>4875180
Doom

>> No.4875575

>>4875372
Doesn't mean it's not bait

>> No.4875576

>>4875361
What I realized as an adult is the the genre is good for kids (10-15ish). Play them as an adult only if you want to see how they work and are interested in designing your own games.

>> No.4875581

>>4875575
That just means people are triggered by legit opinions then
>>4875576
Pretty much. I constantly see new /vr/ posters coming for the JRPGs and they smell of teenager.

>> No.4875593

>>4875404
30 year olds can't "still like" a show which wasn't on until they were college age, but I guess Peppa Pig is your reference for kids TV huh, kid?

>> No.4875596

>>4875593
Now that's desperate, you understood my point perfectly. Change Peppa Pig for any other similar older stuff

>> No.4875609
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4875609

>>4875573
Unironically this. Fuck Doom, i don't like being in a space station or in whatever uninspired scenario not just in some levels/worlds, but in every fucking single entry of the franchise. No thanks, Doom is a gigantic pile of shit in my opinion, i'll gladly play some Heretic or Blood instead.

>> No.4875610

>>4875609
>aestheticsfaggotry

>> No.4875615

>>4875610
Have fun with your repeated and uninspired maps

>> No.4875619

>>4875615
Not the biggest fan of Doom either but your criticism is just very poor
"It all looks the same!"
And it's not even true, Doom has hellish levels and stuff

>> No.4875627

>>4875619
You're right, it alternates between blazoned space stations and bland hellish levels; at least that's my humble opinion. It's not that bad, it's just that something like that doesn't inspire me one bit.

>> No.4875630

>>4875627
Aestheticsfaggotry, then

>> No.4875645

>>4875630
Sure, keep on spitting the same words without giving any argument, perhaps your place is /v/, kiddo.

>> No.4875647

>>4875645
>I don't like a game due to how it looks

>> No.4875658

>>4875647
Do you realize that what you just said is perfectly fine, yes? Not to mention if something like that damages the gameplay, for someone? Please think before typing.

>> No.4875662

>>4875658
I just disagree with aestheticfaggotry

>> No.4875664
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4875664

>>4875627
>trying this hard to poke fun at doom


Haters

>> No.4875668

>>4875662
>omg he doesn't like what i like, i must point out how he's wrong with the very first thing that comes on top of my mind that could scratch his thesis
>>>/v/

>> No.4875672

>>4875668
That's the point of discussion, you echo chamber faggot

>> No.4875673

>>4875664
I simply don't like its repetitiveness, this is just my thought and if someone has to say otherwise regarding a simple opinion over the internet, well i don't know what to say. Grow up, i think? I should've known that perhaps going into /doom/ would've mean that every neckbeard of the globe could poke fun at me but well, that's something i must endure.

>> No.4875674

>>4875672
At least do it with some valid argument, kid.

>> No.4875681

>>4875674
My argument is that criticism of games not for how they play but for how they look is shallow garbage

>> No.4875691

>>4875681
We agree on that, or else we won't be on /vr/. For how it look however, i don't mean solely texture or sprites, but the very level design that, don't misunderstand me, is beautifully done, my only criticism would be that it's redundant. I should point out though that this very thing could be something positive for someone, just like the things i could like on games like Hexen, Heretic, Blood etc. are an absolute turn-down for others. Like i said earlier, it's solely a matter of tastes, so we could go on arguing like children about what i like more and viceversa but you probably know already that it's pretty much useless like every debate on 4chan.

>> No.4875698

>>4875691
My initial thought remains, though. For me it's a shame that games like Doom or Duke Nukem are very far above the other ones i mentioned. /vr/ knows about them, that's true. But if Doom isn't overrated, then it's the other way around, other retro FPS are underrated.

>> No.4875704

>>4875180
Second half is certainly better than the first half. First half feels like a slog to get through. That said, I prefer FF4.

>> No.4875724

>>4875529
The word you're looking for is adolescent (although that makes your rhetorical bait less obnoxious). JRPGs tend to be adolescent: aimed at younger teenagers.

JRPGs are not like Barney or Peppa Pig unless maybe you're talking about stuff for Nintendo handhelds. Pokemon, FF Tactics Advance-- those games seem geared more for gradeschool kids while Final Fantasy is aimed more at early teens who might also be reading Lord of the Rings.

Adolescent JRPGs typically feature a coming-of-age or hero journey story, which is exactly the kind of story most appropriate for boys that age. It doesn't make them bad and it doesn't make them "childish."

>> No.4875727

>>4875572
Complaining about "hivemind assholes" while the supported argument for why a game is bad amounts to the insightful and informative:

>gameplay is absolute fucking garbage
Who is the asshole again?

>> No.4875738
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4875738

Ok-ish tier narrative
Boring as hell gameplay. Coudln`t stand the boring combos and the feeling that the spells are almost useless. Also mech battles are the epitome of shitty fights

>> No.4875746

>>4875727
I said simple (for kids), not garbage
>>4875691
You called Doom overrated shit (in fact, a gigantic pile of shit) just due to how it looks, that's just shallow

>> No.4875752

>>4875738
>Ok-ish tier narrative
>Boring as hell gameplay
Could've just said J/RPG

>> No.4875760

>>4875752
Yeah if you're a retard you can say that in every JRPG thread but it won't be meaningful to anyone. Xenogears gameplay is not that great by JRPG standards.

>> No.4875761

>guaranteed replies

>> No.4875762

>>4875761
JRPGs are the local sacred cow so indeed

>> No.4875770

>>4875752
Not true. I despise Xenogears, but some rpgs have very good gameplays, like Chrono Cross/Trigger and Parasite Eve 2/1

>> No.4875773

>>4875770
Only played Trigger there and have to disagree, boring extremely basic and repetitive stuff

>> No.4875779

>>4875746
Yeah, that's based to my opinions though, i obviously can't retract what i said. Still, i can say that perhaps i was a bit too impulsive on typing certain things regarding a game that liking it or not it has its proud history, by leaving a mark on thousands of people. That's undeniable and i overdid it before. That aside, i still think that its continuous themes are redundant, but perhaps that's just me.

>> No.4875783

>>4875779
No, I don't care, I barely like Doom, but dismissing a game solely on how it looks it's simply horseshit

>> No.4875793

>>4875204

You didn't like the monster trucks and sniper rifles?

>> No.4875795

>>4875793
I hate you guys ruining the board with this overrate garbage yet noone mentions based underrated Final Fantasy, at best they may mention the NES ones! Have you played the PS1? African American, the PS1 got Final Fantasy VII.

>> No.4875805

>>4875783
Then again, it's not about how it looks lol how many times do i have to say that i don't want to go over and over the same looking levels? I don't even like maze-like space stations. It's a matter of tastes.

>> No.4875808

>>4875805
>it's not about how it looks
>i don't want to go over and over the same looking levels
You're even using the same fuckin verb

>> No.4875835

>>4875808
It's about the theme, not the textures. I already said that.

>> No.4875841

>>4875835
Still judging the game on how it looks rather than on how it plays. This is not about fidelity, but shallowly dismissing games by their looks. Aestheticsfaggotry

>> No.4875862

>>4875180
Dragon Quest anything.

>> No.4875867

>>4875841
Do you have alzheimer? I said earlier that it damages even the gameplay, unpopolar opinion or not for me is like that. I got more stuck on those ridiculous large levels that looks the same and not in my entire play time of other games such as Duke, Quake, Blood, Heretic, Hexen and so on.

>> No.4875872

>>4875867
That you can only enjoy a game by how it looks doesn't mean a bad aesthetic impacts game mechanics

>> No.4875873

>>4875343
Unironically this

>> No.4875875

>>4875873
I wasn't ironic there, so yeah, agreed

>> No.4875885

>>4875872
In the case of Doom for me that was the case. Sorry if i don't like the game you're so passionated about, i wish could be the same even for me. I liked a lot my games back in the day, even the dated ones so no, i don't know about you but i myself don't think it's about how it looks rather how it plays.

>> No.4875894

>>4875885
>you're so passionated about
No, not a big fan of Doom, but I have gameplay reasons, not this shallow garbage that sounds like it's coming from a modern gamer teen MUH GRAFIXX AESTHETICS

>> No.4875913

>>4875894
Now i'm sure, you're either a troll, have alzheimer, or just really dumb. Read again my comments and tell me where i said that the graphics matter in a videogame. Or you're just in denial with the fact that there's someone out there that dislikes this game for its level design? (=/= graphics)

>> No.4875916

>>4875180
Thats not FF7

>> No.4875917

>>4875916
Don't worry, both are

>> No.4875918

>>4875440
All your points except difficult can apply to videogames as a whole

>> No.4875919

>>4875180
Anything made by Nintendo

>> No.4875921

>>4875180
Fps games

>> No.4875924

>>4875918
Precisely, you seem to get it

>> No.4875929

>>4875924
so do you dislike videogames or is just trying to be annoying

>> No.4875936

>>4875180
>>4875201
btfo

>> No.4875945

>>4875929
Making fun of JRPGs makes me feel like less of a loser.

>> No.4875946

>>4875929
You're bad at logic

>> No.4875949

>>4875945
Nice projection

>> No.4875952

>>4875773
the combat in Chrono Trigger is sooooo slow.

>> No.4875956

>>4875946
you could just have answered the second option lol

>> No.4875964

>>4875956
>except difficulty
That's a big difference.

Anyway, to diversify this conversation a bit so this doesn't become yet another JRPG circlejerk:
Super Aleste / Space Megaforce. Granted, this is only overrated in the context of people into shmups but not that much into them, so it's not a big group. Still, even if it's not a bad game, it's the most boring console shooter I've played, yet somewhat overpraised. Wouldn't call it shit, not by a long shot, but it's the closest I've got here.

>> No.4875967

>>4875952
>select attack
>see attack's animation which is like 3 seconds
>repeat
if ct's battles are slow to you then you just dislike turn based jrpgs

>> No.4875968

>>4875773
>>4875952
I personally like Trigger's combat, but I admit it is rather simple. To me it also seems incomplete. You have a number of techs that have geometric hitboxes, but no way to position your team. It seems like that was the direction Square was taking, but the idea never panned out, but never really cut out either. Definitely not a shit game though.

>> No.4875970

>>4875968
>You have a number of techs that have geometric hitboxes, but no way to position your team.
This is a big flaw, LIVE A LIVE was better at this, sadly the game is quite inconsistent and not great either.

>> No.4875973

>>4875964
>That's a big difference.
you were calling videogames time wasters in a bad way, thank you for confirming your low iq

>> No.4875983

>>4875973
You misinterpreted my post.
JRPGs like to waste the player's time with pointless fetch quests and countless other ways of cheap padding, as well as forced grinding in older titles. This is not quality game time and not something other genres did.

>> No.4876347

>>4875949
I don't even try to be funny, creative, or insightful. I just shit on JRPGs as a whole with constant no-effort posts.

>> No.4876383

>>4875983
>You misinterpreted my post.
As if your post had any reasonable interpretations.
When you're making your case against "JRPGs" as a genre then using half-assed descriptions of cherry-picked mechanics to illustrate, there is really no intelligent interpretation to be made in the first place.

>>4875964
>to diversify this conversation a bit so this doesn't become yet another JRPG circlejerk
>lets talk about shmups
Grow the fuck up. There's an Everquest thread right now with 5 posters and 11 replies, it will likely be dead by tomorrow. Plenty of games don't get a lot of attention, but none of those fans display this pathetic immaturity or obsession with a single genre.

>> No.4876405

>>4876383
Hey, where did you get that impression?
Okay, another genre, though this is even more of a stretch:
I never liked momentum-based platformers like Mario or Sonic compared to ones with strict jumps like arcade Ghost n Goblins or some Castlevania entries, I like being in control. Mega Man also works in this way though slightly differently. 2-gear platformers (where you either walk or run, think DKC) are somewhat inbetween for me.
Is it just me or arcade platformers were more likely to feature fixed jumps (probably due to GnG inspiration) while console ones were more likely to be momentum based (again, probably due to SMB)?
As for western/PC/cinematic platformers, I like those even less. It's like the worst aspects of momentum and fixed combined.

>> No.4876441

>>4875180
JRPGs by definition are shit. They are conditioned with terrible japanese culture, trends, aesthetic, tropes, and more.

The only good RPGs to come from Japan are those that make you forget they are Japanese games. Like Dark Souls or Vagrant Story.

>> No.4876446

>>4876441
Anime culture isn't Japanese culture

>> No.4877304

>>4875738

Shit game is shit.

>> No.4877338

What happened to MGS being in the OP?