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4855929 No.4855929 [Reply] [Original]

Let's settle this once and for all.

Is the Legend of Zelda an Action RPG or an Action Adventure?

>> No.4855936

How do you define either before we begin?

>> No.4855948

>>4855936
Action games have action, RPGs have RPGs.

>> No.4855950

>>4855948
Well it certainly is not a rocket propelled grenade or features any that I am aware of.

>> No.4855969

It's Zelda, you fuck.

>> No.4855974

This was a debate? Role-playing games inherently carry adventure game mechanics and vice versa (developing character, exploring environments, encounters, think D&D basically). Why is this its own thread?

>> No.4855994

Leans way more towards adventure. Need X item to get to Y to find Z like, you know, a point n click adventure.

>> No.4856001

>>4855929
Action Adventure. This shouldn't even be a question.

>> No.4856018

>>4855929
Action Adventure
For me personally, RPG implies that there are stats aside from Mana and Health. None of the Zelda games are RPGs honestly.

>> No.4856106

>>4855974
>Why is this its own thread?

Because OP is a little kid doing a research assignment or something. I can't think of another excuse for asking something like it.

>> No.4856109

Zelda 2 has RPG elements.

>> No.4856141
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>>4855929
>Let's settle this once and for all.
>
>Is the Legend of Zelda an Action RPG or an Action Adventure?

>> No.4856158

>>4855929
Most of them I'd call Action Adventure, but I'd settle for calling Adventure of Link an Action RPG. Breath of the Wild I'd put somewhere in between, but that's not /vr/ so whatever.

>> No.4856207

The "Zelda is an RPG" thing came from your mom. Like, literally. People who don't play video games think that a "role-playing game" is any game where you assume the role of a character.

You are playing as Link. Link acts out a role. Therefore, your mom (logically, to be fair) comes to the conclusion that Zelda is a role-playing game.

Now, your mom on her own doesn't really influence gaming culture. But there are actually people who are closer to the inner circle who think this, too. They play video games, but they might not know a lot about different kinds of video games. They may have grown up playing only platform, run-and-gun, and beat-'em-up games. When 5th gen rolled around, Final Fantasy VII put RPGs truly on the map.

Meet "Derek." Derek writes for GameFuckers, second-rate '90s gaming magazine. Derek grew up playing Mario, Contra, and Double Dragon. He's playing Final Fantasy VII now, because he can't ignore RPGs anymore now that this game is everywhere. Derek notices that FFVII has an inventory system, equipment, and stat gains. He notices that Ocarina of Time also has an inventory, equipment, and health/mana increases. Therefore, he erroneously comes to the conclusion that Zelda is a role-playing game, and lists it as such in his article for GameFuckers, negatively influencing children who did not pick the right magazine.

>> No.4856220

>>4856141
action adventure, except for zelda 2.

Unless you're leveling up, I don't consider it an rpg, as I think leveling is one of the identifying features of an rpg, and when leveling is part of another genre, it's then said to have "rpg elements".

I love the fuck out of zelda, but it's not an rpg aside from the little experiment they tried with zelda 2.

>> No.4856235

>>4855929
action adventure because you can't "increase your numbers"

>> No.4856358

>>4856235
This. The prevalence of numbers is what I believe makes an RPG distinct from an Action Adventure. This is why I'd consider Zelda 2 to be one, at least.

>> No.4856703

both. Stop splitting hairs. RPG means a role playing game. In the Zelda games you play the role of Link. RPG games can have you playing any role. It could be a linear role or a more open ended one

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>>4855929

Neither. There's no leveling so it isn't an RPG of any kind.

It's a metroidvania. It disguises this by being isometric, but the gameplay structure is identical.

>> No.4856725

>>4856018
Zelda II is the one most resembling Action RPGs because it's similar to Xanadu.

>> No.4856729

Jeremy Parish considers Zelda and ActRaiser RPGs and I simply can't wrap my head around his thinking.

>> No.4856760

>>4855929
It's closer to an isometric belt scroller than an RPG.

>> No.4856771

>>4856703
Boomer detected

>> No.4856772

>>4855929
Puzzle Adventure (not Action).

You have to be the dumbest cunt on the planet to think Zelda games are Action RPGs.

>> No.4856867

>>4856772
The whole train of thought behind Zelda being an RPG really picked up steam during 5th gen. A very valid argument sonyfags had against the N64 was its utter lack of RPGs. The other side was so desperate to defend against it that a great many started calling Ocarina of Time an RPG. They were wrong, of course, but the thinking has still stuck around to this day in some degree.

>> No.4856878

>>4856207
I do remember gaming magazines from back in the day hyping up Ocarina of Time as Nintendo’s answer to the JRPG crazy on the PlayStation.

>> No.4856882

>>4856878
JRPG craze*

>> No.4856980

>>4855929
It's an action adventure. Don't let the currency (rupees) fool you, RPGs have EXP points and levels.

>> No.4857080

Hydlike

>> No.4857125

>>4856207
This is the best and most well thought out explanation for the problem I have ever seen.

>> No.4857623

>>4856720
>It's a metroidvania. It disguises this by being isometric, but the gameplay structure is identical.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
It's the other way around. Metroid and Igavania games are zelda clones with a different camera.

>> No.4857757

>>4857623
>Symphony of the Night came out after Zelda
just checked Wikipedia and looks like you're correct

>> No.4857761

>>4856772
>puzzle
Fuck off, Aonuma

>> No.4857775

>>4857761
you guys keep shilling this faggot everywhere
give me a break

>> No.4857948

Only Zelda 2 is more RPG over advetnure, game feels more linear compared to others at the time and it's more about getting stronger with magic and not on using items which is why is dated as fuck, if you are pushing it then maybe Majora's Mask has some RPG elements with its focus on sidequest and the masks could be seen as "leveling up", but dungeons and enemies aren't as important and that isn't very RPG at all.

>> No.4858049

>>4855936
fuck you, if we did that, how the fuck would we reach post limit?

>> No.4858085

Action Adventure because it has no character attributes.

>> No.4858127

>>4855929
Off topic but does anyone know where this is gif from?
Reverse searching doesn't turn up the source.

>> No.4858131

>>4858127
Music video to "Disciples of Funk" by Bootsy Collins.

>> No.4858134

>>4858131
Thanks!

>> No.4859181

>>4857623
Metroid and Zelda are basically the same games with a different theme and perspective.

>> No.4859275

>>4856867
To be fair, while Ocarina is obviously not a JRPG, is has a LOT of RPG elements for what 's supposedly an action-adventure game. You do an awful lot of wandering around towns, reading NPC dialog and doing quests for them. Hyrule seems almost like an actual world and not just a game environment. It's certainly far closer to an ARPG than any of the previous titles besides 2.

>> No.4859283

>>4856772
Before Ocarina, the focus was definitely as much on action as puzzles. Puzzles were tastefully integrated into the gameplay. It wasn't until 5th gen that questioning the puzzle-focus of gameplay in Zelda would get you weird looks.

>> No.4859595

>>4859275
>You do an awful lot of wandering around towns, reading NPC dialog and doing quests for them.

That's what an action-ADVENTURE game is.

>> No.4859602

>>4855929
Only 2 is an Action RPG and the rest are all Action Adventures.