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4855112 No.4855112 [Reply] [Original]

i thought the disc rot was just a meme by poorfags but some of my dreamcast and playstation and even gamecube games are starting to show the signs of upcoming rot

i guess its to move to digital anons, enjoyed the ride while it lasted

>> No.4855119

I'll gladly take them off your hands so you don't have any sort of rot making a mess in your house, you massive faggot.

>> No.4855121

>>4855112
why are you storing your games under your sink

>> No.4855130

>>4855119
>>4855121

https://tedium.co/2017/02/02/disc-rot-phenomenon/

it will happen no matter how well you treat your discs, you can slow it down though

also, wtf are gamecube games affected now?

>> No.4855140

I've only come across two games with disc rot and they were both Gamecube games.

>> No.4855147 [DELETED] 

>>4855112
>i guess its to move to digital anons
guess who is behind that post

>> No.4855152

some of the prints of these game were not sealed after the disc was cut.
You can tell if it has rough edges on the outside and inside ring and you can feel "layers".

To stop this, use some polyurethane and a small brush to seal the inner ring. Let this set for 2 days, then put some protective painter's tape over the top and bottom of the disc and brush some on the outer edges.

Remove the tape immediately and hang the disc from the inner ring to dry for 2 more days.

This seal should last 50 years on the outside. Inside one might need to be re-applied depending on frequency of use.

I did the same thing for my laserdiscs, and it works great.

A silicone sealant would work as well.

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4855154

>>4855147

>> No.4855157 [DELETED] 

>>4855154
steam logo is not retro, anon.

>> No.4855168

>>4855112
That isn't disc rot. You probably shouldn't put your discs in a washing machine though.

>> No.4855169

>>4855130
Bollocks.
Rot is either a manufacturing fuckup, or a badge of the consumer's incorrect storage and usage of the disc.

>> No.4855203

>>4855112
>Poor quality of manufacturing combined with improper storage
>Rot
Learn what "rot" means, you fuckhead

>> No.4855207

Also i'll add the only discs i've ever personally seen suffer from disc rot are CD-Rs, including a bunch of Verbatim ones I bought just 2 years ago.

>> No.4855232

>>4855112
Did you break your microwave preparing this horseshit?

>> No.4855256

Those look like they were stored in bad place to me.

Probably left in sunlight.

>> No.4855265

Made me check my collection at least. still nothing.

>> No.4855267

Looks like those discs were stored in a place with large temperature variations.

>> No.4855269

so will cartridge based games outlive discs?

>> No.4855270

>>4855207
you need to vet the ones with azo dye

>> No.4855290
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4855290

>>4855112
My SD card discs have no rot on then OP.

>> No.4855293

>>4855112
Here some advice: Those are games, not fucking plant seeds.

>> No.4855305

>>4855112
I bet you can still play these Faggot OP

>> No.4855345

>>4855112
optical media is digital too you absolute fucking retard

>> No.4855410

I have CDROM games dating all the pack to 93 how the hell do you store you games? Maybe you should stick them in the oven with the Sunday roast from now on.

>> No.4855440

>>4855203
>I left the meat out of the fridge 4 weeks and it wasn't rotten, it had improper storage.
You are dumb.

>> No.4855887

>still have backups I made 15+ years ago
>all my physical DC games still mint
OP is a faggot. I don't even store mine well. Just keep the cover closed, out of sunlight, and away from moisture. IE my fucking closet.

>> No.4855890

>>4855410
This p. much, none of my old school PC games of PS1 have had this problem, and I don't do anything special. In their case, indoors. That's it.

>> No.4855915

>>4855290
They'll go bad faster with regular use than disc rot will

>> No.4855928

>>4855915
Even the sd association website only pegs their life at ten years. Consider that one a high ball like all advertising platforms. Dunno if they factored in storage conditions or just pure use metrics though.

>> No.4855951
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4855951

I just decided to go check my MGS TS copy for disc and found this.

It's been stored in a basement with a dehumidifier in Nebraska for ten years. There's no chance it's been water damaged. All of my other GCN discs are in perfect condition. This copy of MGS was bought on day 1, it looks like the original print run of MGS TS is defective. This kind of rot can happen if there was humidity caught in the manufacturing process.

>> No.4855982

>>4855915
>>4855928

The lifespan of flash media depends entirely on how many sectors the drive in question has and how often those sectors are accessed. This is why a 240 GB SSD will last twice as long as a 120 GB SSD.

>> No.4855990

>>4855130
No it won't. I have discs far older than this that were kept in shit storage because of autism friends. They are still as good as new. Same for CDs from the 80's.

"disc rot" is the forced destruction of a product in hopes people will start to sell off their stuff in a hurry to avoid it.

>> No.4855996

>>4855951
>>4855112
OPfag buys multiple games to destroy them.

More at noon

>> No.4856003

>>4855996

Nope, sometimes disc production gets humid and the discs don't last.

This isn't even disc rot, it's a manufacturing defect. Every copy of The Prestige had the same problem except at a much more extreme level during its first production run. Everyone misidentifies it as disc rot:
https://gizmodo.com/269554/blu-ray-disc-rot

>> No.4856101

>>4855951
Metal Gear Solid Twin Snakes is notable for its poor production standard. Claims of disc rot are very frequent.

Personally, and this is anecdotal evidence, I know 3 people who have had the same problems with their copies of Twin Snakes.

>> No.4856117

>>4855112
I collect for GC, and i can confirm, "snake skin" happens to twin snakes pretty often. Im not sure what the fuck they made the game discs with, but during my time searching for a non fucked up copy, at least 7 of the 12 i found in 2 years had the label cracking. Other games ive owned havent had that issue, and even now, my copy us starting to crack a little.

>> No.4856118

>>4856101
Yeah the one I had had that problem ten years ago
Now I just play the .iso on nintendont

>> No.4856446

>discs are immortal if you follow /vr/'s advice

>> No.4856460

>>4856117
I checked my copy for the hell of it, which hasn't been played since 2009 or so, and it's fine.

>> No.4856463

>>4856117
i remember snake skin happening on my copy of PSOBB for GC, none of my other games though.

>> No.4856470

>>4855112

that's craquelure

>> No.4856668

>>4856446

i think most people here are collectors and saying shit like this will strike a nerve

>> No.4856681

>>4856470
or schwund

>> No.4856778

>>4856101
What a terrible remake it didn't even age well

>> No.4856784

>>4855112
The disc holders aren't flat, this is fucking your game up

>> No.4856791

>>4855990
Disc rot varies depending on the quality of the medium, but it will eventually happen to them all. I also have CDs from the 80s that work perfectly, but I also have stuff from the year 2000 that has rotted already.

>> No.4856803

>>4856117
Yeah I have a copy of TTS that had that. Game still plays fine though.

>> No.4856804

>>4855112

I don't know but somehow millennial retards are the worst. They have that extra bit of stupidity going.

>> No.4856813

>>4855293
You can still bury them in the ground all the same. OP, you know what to do.

>> No.4856815

>>4855982
That's the lifespan of the write sectors or whatever used to store the data, but what about the lifespan of the device itself?

>> No.4856818

>>4855112
only stupid ass white people have disc rot!
that's what you get for being spoiled little bitch

>> No.4856821

>>4855951
>>4856117
>>4856118
It is an aesthetic choice the developers made.

>> No.4856942

>>4856821
it... it's all so clear to me now

>> No.4856945

>>4855112
>disc rot
>time to move to digital
Gee OP, surely you have no ulterior motive here and I take your post at face value! Can you recommend a reseller for me to dump my collection off to for pennies on the dollar to try and avoid this horrible disc rot that's totally a real thing?

>> No.4856967

https://youtu.be/kq5fBhMxf-Y

>> No.4856971

Optical media fucking sucks. Plain and simple. Have fun watching your CD collections ROT away during your life time.

>> No.4856986
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>>4856971
It doesn't matter. Everything - including your emulation machines - will be bricked once the solar EMP hits.

>> No.4857014

>>4856986

cartridges will survive...they will right?

>> No.4857016

>>4856986
Optical discs are immune to EMP, unless it's so intense it physically destroys it, meaning either it is inside a microwave or the apocalypse has started.

>> No.4857032

So what should I do with all my ps1 games? sell them?
I got megaman x4 to x6
final fantasy 7 & 8
resident evil dc
and gran turismo 2

>> No.4857037

>>4857016
The discs are. Their players aren't.

>> No.4857038

>>4857032

i can buy them, you can keep ff 8, i dont want emogarbage

>> No.4857050

>>4857038
whats a good price for each?
thinking I could prob get $40 for each. they dont have a single scratch on them

>> No.4857057

>>4857050
PS1 games are plentiful and buying disc media is dubious. Outside of a fair few games I'd not pay more than 10-15 for most used

>> No.4857065

>>4857057

people pay at least 20-30bucks for an FF 7 in yurop, they charge even more at secondhand gaming stores

>> No.4857070

>>4857014
Sure... so long as you store them in a rubber trunk, or a faraday cage.

>> No.4857071

>>4855112
That's not disc rot anon, that's what happens when you put a CD in the microwave and switch it on (I hold no responsibility for anyone that tries this but the effect is pretty cool).

>> No.4857173

The only retro games I own are Ps1 games, so if they break I can burn a copy.

No problemo, I would worry more about the actual console than the disks.

>> No.4857184

>>4857071
Nah, as others have already pointed out, Twin Snakes in particular has this problem. The discs themselves will play perfectly fine but for some reason the labels degrade like that.

>> No.4857292

>>4855169
You think optical discs are going to survive until the sun goes supernova or something? They arent made of CFCs mate, their dyes break down with time.

>> No.4857297

>>4855290
disk =/= disc
retard

>> No.4857551

this is why im cartridge only within a sealed vacuum guy

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>>4855147
Why anon, whatever do you mean

>> No.4857663

>>4855130
Everything breaks down over time but just like most things if you properly store your dicks the rot will only be a problem long after you're dead.

>> No.4857702

>>4857663

m-my dick will rot..?

anons i dont feel so good

>> No.4857962

>>4855112
My MGS for gamecube also had the paint flake off, but it worked still.

I think whoever produced the discs used shitty paint or something

>> No.4858000

>>4855130
But my hair metal CDs from the 80s are still fine, and those things sat in the hot trunk of my car for a lot of their life. This anon must’ve stored his game in a really bad place or lives in a really humid place.

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>>4855951
That's not "disc rot", the label has just bubbled. I imagine it works perfectly fine.

>> No.4858069

>>4857702
No your dick will never rot because you've never used it

>> No.4858071

>>4855951
>manufacturing process.
Key words here. Just because some discs are made poorly doesn't mean they all are.

>> No.4858116

>>4856003
> gizmodo
> referring to a forum post at AVS Forums
wew. gonna need a better source than two shit-tier websites.

>> No.4858130

>>4858116
How about multiple other people in this thread confirming that the same thing happened to their copies of Twin Snakes?

>> No.4858172

>>4858130
>how about the samefag itt pretending the same thing happened to his discs
FTFYK

>> No.4858178

>>4858130
And the multiple people saying that it's not disc rot, do they not count?

>> No.4858195

>>4858178
Only OP is claiming that. Everyone else is confirming that it’s a known manufacturing defect with that particular game. Only the labels on the discs go bad; you can still play the game with no problems.

>> No.4858201

>>4858195
Meant to say only OP is claiming it’s disc rot. The label print degradation is a known issue with Twin Snakes.

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4858205

I'm in Australia an I've never witnessed any bitrot ever on games or music and they have been stored from 40 degrees c to around 6 degrees c

>> No.4858214

>>4856815

Lifespan of the sectors is always the weakest link.

>>4858061

Actually, I dunno how the Wii disc drive works, but I could see it rubbing the top of the disc slightly because it does contact the top of the disc. That might eventually lead to damage. GCN doesn't touch so it'd be safer.

>> No.4858217

>>4858116

No I don't need a better source than the first result on google. It's something you can google yourself, seriously it's just "blu ray the prestige rot" and can find a thousand identical results. The Prestige did in fact have a manufacturing defect in its first print run caused by excessive humidity.

btw it is LAUGHABLE that someone would clearly be upset by this and try to complain about sources for something that's self explanatory.

>> No.4858412

>>4858217
I don't know what it is, but the prospect of disc rot really rustles the jimmies of some people, where even so much as suggesting it exists makes them think you wear tinfoil hats.

>> No.4858429

>>4858061
This. Label paste degrading is not disc rot.

>> No.4858470

>>4858412
>>4858217
manufacturing defect =/= disc rot. Stop making up idiot conspiracies.

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4858482

>>4858470
disc rot is just a vernacular term for the very defect you're referring to, numbnuts.

>> No.4858498

>>4855130
ikr 6th gen when?!?!?

>> No.4858504

>>4858482
No. More misinformation from autistic people. Just go to sleep and never come back.

The idea is the chemicals the disc is made from de-bond and wear down. Causing the layer of data (not the top image) to be blocked off from the input method. Something that won't happen for another few hundred years even in poor conditions (see ocean plastic for more information)

A poor job placing the layer of data on the plastic and the image on top the data layer is not discrot.

>> No.4858514

>>4858504
I mean I don't know what to tell you man. I agree with you completely as to what's actually happening, and I'm just saying that disc rot is the term the laymen use to describe the phenomenon, and your response to that is NO FUCK YOU IT'S WRONG AHHHHHHH!
Is there any other slang you get mad at? Calling a dollar a buck? Perhaps calling a sandwich a hoagie flusters you too?

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4858539

>>4858205

just doing my job mate

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4858751

i checked mine, it's ok. But i live in the same climate than L.A so it's dry.
but if it's rot, it's not possible to bring some shine with a painting or others?

>> No.4858752

>>4858751

thats PAL version, maybe the european versions arent affected

>> No.4858772

>>4858752
Why ? it's the disc, even if my version is supposed to turn at 50hz...

>> No.4858775

>>4855152
I thought about doing some kind of sealment myself!

Thanks for the tip anon, I'll do that do my discs. I was holding off buying the SEGA CD discs, since they're fragile. I have no excuse now.

>> No.4858780

>>4855112
I have CD-R discs from the early 2000s that were stored in a shitty shed in my parents backyard that still play perfectly.
Fuck off.

>> No.4858784

>>4858772
Manufacturing process, read the thread.

>> No.4858786

>>4855152
Do you have a video guide for that?

>> No.4858789

>>4855112

>hey collectorfags, stop collecting and start giving money to the (((industry))) again

I wonder who's behind this thread.

>> No.4858802

>>4858784
And the process is different for Pal et Ntcs ?

>> No.4858817

>>4858802
Yes. OP’s pic is a thing that seems to primarily happen to the labels for NA copies of Twin Snakes. The game itself is perfect playable, it just looks all peely on top.

>> No.4858852

>>4855207
My launch copy of WoW has disc rot. I guess it was made really really cheap.

Nothing else I own has shown any rot signs. I live in the arid northern prairies, so no worry about humidity.

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4858885

>>4858817
In any case the PAL version is made in Japan. Knowing that the PAL, US and Jap versions were released the same month, I don't see why it would not be made in the same factory.

>> No.4858890

>>4858885
Well the print is completely different so maybe it was an issue with whatever materials they used for the NA disc design? That said, I do think it's kind of neat that the NA discs start to look like old snake skin over time.

>> No.4858894

>>4858890
Can be a Kojima Trick...

>> No.4858905

>>4858780
Why are people so confident that anecdotal evidence disproves somebody else's anecdotal evidence?

>> No.4858941

>>4855130
I have a CD from the mid-90s that is still as fine as first day. And all my other CDs from late 90s/early 00s are also still fine.
Disc rot just occurs when fags don't take care of their stuff.

>> No.4858942

>>4858941
Addendum:
I even have a BURNT CD from ten years ago that has been rotating in my car ever since that still works.

>> No.4859017

>>4858514
Nice equivalency, brainling
You don't see a purpose to distinguish rot as a 'naturally' occurring chemical process from mechanical defects that 1) don't immediately stem from the storage environment and 2) mustn't have an effect on the disc being readable or not?

>> No.4859037

>>4858941
This same old retarded argument again.

Being careless won't cause disc rot, it just helps anticipate it, it's a basic shitty form of fast aging.

ALL media will decay. Disc rot will occur to you, the most you can do is make it take a little longer, but even then not against all forms of "disc rot". Manufacturing defects like sulfur contamination will ruin even sealed copies. There's jack shit you can do.

>> No.4859047

>>4855140
Resident evil 4 and MGS Twin Snakes, by any chance? These are the only two games I've ever seen it happen to, and I'm starting to wondering if it has more to do with the way the white label was made than genuine disc rot itself.

>> No.4859078

>>4859017
It's not MY equivalency. It's that of pretty much everyone except you.

>> No.4859140

>>4858470

Hey idiot, read here:
>>4856003
>This isn't even disc rot, it's a manufacturing defect.

I already said it's not disc rot.

That comment saying retard get all rustled unjustifiably in threads like this is true.

>> No.4859412

>>4859037

/vr/ collectors in denial

>> No.4859979

>>4858789
I would think it just meant you should just physically send your PC discs to Redump.org before we lose them.
Of course, you're free to give money to an industry that thinks buying used games is just as bad as piracy, anyway.

>> No.4860431

Hey I collect GameCube games. The cracked paint only seems to happen to twin snakes disks. It's strange,maybe they used shitty paint.

>> No.4860454

>>4856778
pretty good

>> No.4860507

>>4858000
>really humid place

Many people keep their windows shut 24/7. That might explain the high humidity.

>> No.4860541

>>4858214
>Lifespan of the sectors is always the weakest link.

If you leave it on a shelf for 50 years and only access it read only is that still true?

>> No.4860725

>>4856971
Will vhs tape rot too?

>> No.4860730

>>4860541

Dunno, I don't think there's any real data on flash media that far out.

>> No.4860739

Why does Nintendo always use cheap shit? The snes changes colors and now the cds rot? Whats going to happen to the wii u or the switch?

>> No.4860747

>>4860739
>the snes changes colors
UV damage? It happened to old 8 bit computers and TVs in the beige color too. Don't be so delusional.
>the cds rot
Okay now this is bait. The rest isn't retro. Fuck off.

>> No.4860835

>>4860747

but the cd's do start to rot as shown by many examples in this thread, you cant deny its not happening already

>> No.4860841

You'll get more replies if you don't use the exact same grammar errors as your OP post.

>> No.4861183

>>4860841

>cares about grammar at taiwanese basketweaving forum

>> No.4861184

>>4855112
I love how delusional collector/physical fags force themselves to become just to deny that all physical media will eventually degrade and become useless.

Nothing lasts forever, you morons and no matter how well you take care of your toys, they will eventually break down, that's just the reality of things.

All my backups will die some day, but, I accept it, because I don't worship this shit like a stupid child.


Argue all you want, your media is getting closer to its demise each day.

>> No.4861645

>>4861184

people should stop treating games as investments

>> No.4861675

>>4861645
I invest in having fun experiences.

>> No.4861836

>>4855112
Op you gotta stop microwaving your video games

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>>4855112
>>4855951
>>4856101
Motherfucker knew.

>> No.4864636

>>4861836
Read the thread, dude.

>> No.4864640

>>4862298
damn that's fuckin crazy
bet u kojimas crazy ass made the discs shitty on purpose, as part of his "artistic vision"

>> No.4864645

>>4864640
what shocks me is that people think nintendo produced quality products.
> pro-tip: THEY NEVER HAVE.

>> No.4864653

>>4864645
Nintendo, "Hold my beer while we require engineer our cables to require a DAC chip to convert a signal to analog while no other console requires this shit and we won't use digital anyways".

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>>4860725
It gets moldy.

>> No.4864820

>>4864645
No denying their consoles have incredible durability though. My SNES is yellow and my original Game Boy's screen is scratched to hell but they both still turn on and play games.

>> No.4865336

>>4857032
No, it won't happen in at least two decades.

>> No.4865345

>>4855112
I've had my disc based games for over 2 decades, none of them are showing signs of disc rot. I take good care of my games.

>> No.4865352

>>4864820
well that's because they're made out of nintendium

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>>4864813

LIES I TAKE CARE OF MY VHS THIS DOES NOT EXIST

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>> No.4866681

>>4859017
what the fuck is wrong with you? lol

>> No.4866685

>>4858905
this is always one of the topics that draws out the most retards. like, it's either ALL DISCS GO BAD or NO DISCS GO BAD. it's baffling how these people think, and also how they deny anything ever happens to discs while it obviously does.

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>>4866685

>LOCE NEWSPAPER
>HATE NEWSPAPER

>> No.4866734

>>4866729

*love

fuck

>> No.4866790

My PS1 discs are fine. Although my PS2 likes to scratch my discs for some reason, so I haven't played any for a while.

>> No.4866913

>>4866790
Is your PS2 a slim model, and are the scratches rings? If so it’s because the adhesive that holds the ribbon cable onto the heat sync has worn off and now the ribbon cable is protruding high enough to scratch the Disc. This is a common issue with all PS2 slim models except the final version, because the ribbon was relocated elsewhere.

If not disregard all this. Maybe your laser pot is too high and needs to be readjusted lower.

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4866917

>>4864813
Just keep them properly stored and they’ll be fine.

>> No.4866974

>>4866913
Yeah, I tried adjusting the ribbon before but it was only a temporary solution. I guess I'll have to get a phat PS2 instead.

>> No.4867698

>>4866974
why not just get a replacement cable?
cheap as fuck and easy to replace

>> No.4867705

>>4867698
I'm too paranoid that it'll just happen again. I still have a LOT of PS1 and PS2 games to get through.

Somebody at work said he would give me his old PS2 though, so I'll see how that goes first.

>> No.4867740

>>4862298
props for finding this piece of footage, it is astonishingly specific to this thread

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4867789

Talking about TS
I think is just Poor quality of manufacturing. most of it in the type of painting they used.

in my copy of TS the disc 2 is in perfect condition while the disc1 is like this.
Totally playable with no issues. but it seems to me that the painting of it is what is wrong. not the actual disc.

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