/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.4853631]

Seeing as the old thread had potential, hard RPG bosses thread.

[Anonymous No.4853647]

Round 2 master ball cups in the Stadium games.
Some OP motherfucking monsters and dirty AI.

[Anonymous No.4853649]

>>4853631

[babbage's gramps !RATGzMALLY No.4853652]

What happened?

[Anonymous No.4853656]

>>4853652
OP pic was from Strange Journey

[Anonymous No.4853661]

>>4853631
I got wrecked by him when I was a kid, but as an adult I had no issue whatsoever. I wonder what it is that kids overlook in CC's battle system that makes it tougher.

[babbage's gramps !RATGzMALLY No.4853663]

>>4853656
Oh no! lol I actually recommend Strange Journey to people all the time as the smoothest was to get into core megaten gameplay.

[Anonymous No.4853669]

>>4853661
You remembered that HolyDragSwd hits like a fucking freight train and prepared for it. Most people lose 2 party members in short order the first time they get hit and can't recover.

[Anonymous No.4853676]

>>4853631
motherfucking wiegraf

[Anonymous No.4853679]

>>4853661
kids never use the defend or item commands in rpgs cause they all wanna be goku

[Anonymous No.4853708]

Most recently this guy, The Ridernfrim Breath of Fire IV, has given me trouble. He's technically a postgame boss but still. He regenerates half of his entire hp each turn making him a real bitch to kill.
>>4853656
I can't respect someone unless they fought Finnegan solo.
>>4853663
>I actually recommend Strange Journey to people all the time as the smoothest was to get into core megaten gameplay
Why? Nocturne or IV are way easier to ease people in. SJ is the best SMT game in my opinion but not the best gateway game.

[Anonymous No.4853729]

[Anonymous No.4853740]

>>4853661
>>4853669
>>4853679
Field Effects and Innate Attributes.
Defend is of marginal use in CC, and there is no item command.
You use items as elements.

With a full white field and against a black innate, that attack does 4x damage.
Even defending doesn't help there, and you're forced into the fight with Harle and Lynx, two Black-innate characters.

Your best bet is to never let him get all-white field, and spam dark elements when he casts WhiteField to turn it black so that his attack does 50% damage, then use a consumable healing L1 element to heal.

[Anonymous No.4853770]

It's technically an RPG

[Anonymous No.4854342]

>>4853729

Jesus Shit, Lunar EB SCD

[Anonymous No.4854343]

>>4854342

I didn't mean to quote

[Anonymous No.4854371]

>>4854342
Except you can scum the AI by lowering a character's defense and manipulating the formation in advance, or just grind until you can sandbag everything with tanks and heals

Lunar isn't really a great game for the combat

[Anonymous No.4854378]

>>4854371

Yeah in hindsight you can break any game wide open, tell that to me in 1995 when I was 10

[Anonymous No.4854380]

>>4853729
Great fight, great game

[Anonymous No.4854841]

>>4853708
I found SJ a little dull. It felt too straightforward and all I had do to was collect up the demons in a new area and I was good to go.

[Anonymous No.4854847]

>>4854342
This fight triggered Nick Rox who was writing for Gamefan at the time because he couldn't beat him in the English version and had to go online asking for advice which caused literally everyone to call him a poser. It was good times in the early net.

[Anonymous No.4854852]

>>4854841
you're supposed to do the sidequests and enjoy the star trek part of it

I'd hate to imagine someone who hates star trek but likes SJ for some reason

[Anonymous No.4854857]

>>4854852
Weird. But makes some sense. I never gave a fuck about Star Trek and did a couple side quests but they didn't do a ton for me. Maybe I should have done more... Been slowly picking through Soul Hackers lately and it's not bad but not amazing. RPGs aren't too much my thing anymore anyways though so it's likely more that.

[Anonymous No.4854863]

>>4854852
I don't hate ST, but, I also never got into it either.
I love SJ though.
>>4854857
Speaking of Soul Hackers, it's post-game content on 3DS has probably one of the hardest bosses in the entire Megaten series, if not the hardest one.

[Anonymous No.4854867]

>>4854857
careful bud, you have to put some effort into finding direction and purpose and desire, you need to image train your own enjoyment and anticipation of fun things

otherwise you'll get anhedonia and stop playing new games for 5-10 years like these other weirdos

[Anonymous No.4854871]

>>4854863
>Speaking of Soul Hackers, it's post-game content on 3DS has probably one of the hardest bosses in the entire Megaten series, if not the hardest one.
hard to imagine it being harder than hitoshura without just forcing you to gamble even more or dragging it out with more phases

I wish I had the time and relaxed state of mind to replay DDS and DDS2

maybe on stream now that I think of it

[Anonymous No.4854876]

>>4854863
Ohh well that's something to look forward to.

>>4854867
It's all good, I love playing games and have more than enough I want to get through. My problem is knowing that I'll never get to play everything I want before I die, but that's cool too. I had mostly burnt out on RPGs by the end of the PS1 era, but they're still fun to pick away at late at night and such.

I wanted to like SJ, but something just never quite clicked. That's all good though too.

[Anonymous No.4854889]

>>4854871
Not entirely sure since I never played DDS games, I've heard demi-friend is very hard. But in Soul Hackers you fight a boss gauntlet consisting of Kyouji (from the first Devil Summoner), who already is pretty challenging but doable, then exclusive for the 3DS, since it contains non-/vr/ characters, follows a fight with both Raidous, which is insanely hard (I never got past it), then after you beat them there's the true final boss, who is from one of the Raidou games as well, and I've read it's ridiculously hard.

[Anonymous No.4854901]

>>4853631
Chrono Cross is really easy.....

and then Miguel shows up.

[Anonymous No.4854903]

>>4853708
Nocturne is very difficult and often unfair to newcomers, and IV is best enjoyed with knowledge of the series to recognize references and recurring elements. For instance, the DLC bosses in 4 use a heavily remixed version of 1 and 2's Law themes, and Mastema's appearance is a big deal due to his major role in Strange Journey.

Strange Journey being standalone with a recent 3DS release makes it easy to get a hold of and into, and it's easier to adapt from normal turn-based combat to press turn than the opposite.

[Anonymous No.4855552]

>dodges physical attacks even with 99% hit chances
>can basically oneshot characters in NG
>immediate reprisals against magic

I swear there is no way to beat this guy on NG without cheesing his AI exploit.

[Anonymous No.4855559]

>>4854901
I've yet to see anyone beat this fight the first time they do it. Granted I've only seen 3 other people try but damn if it didn't go down the exact same way.

[Anonymous No.4855587]

>>4855559
The worst part is it's very easy to go into the fight with 2 or more black innates who will get destroyed easily by his multi target attacks

[Anonymous No.4855597]

>>4855587
Aren't you required to bring Lynx and Harle to that fight?

[Anonymous No.4855602]

>>4853647
the AI literally cheats, it used to make me so mad as a kid

[Anonymous No.4855614]

>>4853729
Going in unprepared and winning a clutch victory with just the Final Empress standing left and just enough BP for two more moves has to be one of most satisfying moments I've ever had in an RPG.

God, I hunger for more moments like that. You can't script this shit in a cutscene fight.

[Anonymous No.4855615]

>>4853631

[Anonymous No.4855630]

>>4855597
Harle is not required.

[Anonymous No.4856025]

>>4854901
>>4853631
>>4855559
>>4855587
I got stuck on this guy for three days then had to return the game to Blockbuster.

[Anonymous No.4856105]

>>4853676
Came here to post this. This taught me to keep 2 saves on every game.

[Anonymous No.4856256]

>>4856025
I looked at all the abilities the game gave me and the fact that I was being forced to go through this end game feeling area in a black element body and decided to prepare for the worst case scenario that I could imagine the game would throw at me. I think I was about 14 maybe?

I beat him first try, but this feeling was not a fair trade off for having used a character guide and then having to hear Kid tell me she believed the entire time she was sick that I was trying to save her and she couldn't trust me anymore.

[Anonymous No.4856270]

>>4856256
Really wanted Glenn, huh?

[Anonymous No.4856371]

>>4856270
I honestly didn't spend much time with her and didn't realize how much I'd wish I had until later.

If it wasn't for that accent man

What's even worse that I basically waifu'd Harle which made it twice as horrifying.

it's such a cruel set up, but I think most players would have done anything for her after that

or at least I would have

[Anonymous No.4856376]

>>4856270
Yeah I did want him though, I wanted to hang out with my buddy

He ends up being the strongest party member you can possibly get

but it just isn't worth it

[Anonymous No.4856421]

>>4856376
>not worth it
But Kid's an annoying cunt and Harle, the only good 'main character' tier waifu, gets fucked by the story.

Man, this just reminded me of how shit CC is and how much better CT is.

[Anonymous No.4856562]

>>4856421
Maybe you're the one who's really an annoying cunt anon

[Anonymous No.4856740]

>>4856421
> only good 'main character' tier waifu
>this just reminded me of how shit CC is and how much better CT is.

Chrono Trigger fans...

[Anonymous No.4856753]

>>4855559
All you really have to do is bring Sprigg and not be retarded because she's ludicrously overpowered until the very, very lategame if you use the right forms.

[Anonymous No.4856828]

>>4853729
>Go unprepared
>Get mass charmed in the first turn
>reload.avi
>Remake a party
>The Seven begin popping out
>Abyss Gate!
>Emperor gets sucked in
>Uses Crane Sword on party
>Reload.avi
>Abyss Gate!
>Oh well it's just my Holy Order I guess I'll manag...
>MAELSTROMPSYCHOBINDMOONSHADE
>Reload.avi
>This time for sure!
>Soul Steal on KO'd emperor

[Anonymous No.4856874]

>>4856828
I went blind into Abyss Gate thing, thought it was over, for me. Then the emperor attacked himself with Slice and blocked it with Sword Barrier at the same time. Beat them on the second attempt like that.

[Anonymous No.4857174]

>>4853631
Dunno if this counts, but this dude is gonna start playing BattleChasers

https://www.twitch.tv/el_zekk

[Anonymous No.4857208]

This fucker

[Anonymous No.4857276]

>>4856828
even if you go kinda prepared it's hard as shit

I had a full female/genderless team to avoid getting charmed yet I got rek anyways

also when I fought the hive queen in the android version. holy shit. only way I managed to win was because I somehow got lucky as shit and had two hydra suits sitting on my store room, and that eased out the poison

[Anonymous No.4857708]

>>4857276
The last fight with the queen is basically a crazy DPS run where the best option is to have two casters go crazy with Crimson Flare while everyone else desperately tries to tank and heal up.
The Queen's last form is very strong against physical attacks and just loves to use AoE or straight up dishonest bullshit like stacking Hell Claw with Poison Breath, and you can't cheese her in any way either unless you really take your time sparking the mikiri for most of the stuff she uses, and even so you'll still not be able to deal with some of her stuff like Swarm.
I actually kind of dislike her battle, it was a good decision to make her immune to Quicktime and honestly, they should have made the Seven pull the same counter too, but she's even cheaper than the Seven, at least against them as long as you build up on the first phase with Rocbouquet you're mostly in the green, the Queen's just raping you mercilessly all the time.

[Anonymous No.4857720]

>>4857708
>you can't cheese her in any way either
just stun her man

[Anonymous No.4857737]

>>4857720
>Set up Rapid Stream and Mist cover
>Get walked on with Hell Claw, Poison Breath and whatever else in one turn
>Formation is probably already broken so I can't even stun her to let my other characters heal up
Nah man, I've already tried and that is a bet on odds I don't want to take on, much safer to just tank and wittle her out with Koumei and whoever else spamming Crimson Flare.

[Anonymous No.4858001]

>>4857737
don't use rapid stream, use something that increases defense. You don't need to stun every turn, even stunning some of the time will reduce the damage you take

[Anonymous No.4858208]

>>4857737
I haven't played with bonus content yet so I don't know what that changes, but normally using mist cover on yourself removes the enemy's ability to evade. Therefore in rapid stream formation you can have one character use mist cover (or even the equivalent tech) and one character use feint and any stunnable enemy will be utterly helpless.

Excluding cheese tactics my favorite formation is the herder's defensive formation. I've beaten the meatball with very low hp/skill levels while relying on this formation. Also, note that you can spam light magic to change the battlefield's attunement; abyss gate sets it to darkness and that allows the last boss to regen and also allows the use of different attacks (notably maelstrom).

[Anonymous No.4858302]

Legitimately one of the most tense final bosses I've ever faced.

[Anonymous No.4858858]

>>4854380
what game?

[Anonymous No.4859093]

>>4858302
Seems every DQ game has at least 2 bosses with a brick wall of a difficulty curve. I cam here to post Balzack in DQ4, who always requires a hefty grind before you're ready for him.

[Anonymous No.4859116]

>>4858858
By the file name I would say it's a Front Mission game.

[Anonymous No.4859249]

>>4858001
>don't use rapid stream, use something that increases defense
Already did with both Mu Fence or Holy Wall, it's not worth it unless you have the Mikiri for Hell Claw, at which point you don't really need to stun her to begin with since you've already
The way I do fight her is with Hunter Shift/Desert Fox with the front tanking everything with strong characters like Hannibal while the back spams Crimson Flare, fastest and safest way to kill her off for me, I tried multiple times and only lost once due to a really bad turn.
>>4858208
None of that matters because the Queen has 7 Heroes levels of HP but with a smaller and more dangerous moveset, not to mention it's a two phase battle, so you have to not waste too much time and resources on the first one to actually be able to beat the second one, and the Queen is very fast and much stronger than the Seven, I've seen her hit my super decked emperor for 4 digit damage with her Hell Claw, and then she has Poison Breath, which is used almost every turn and she has forced regen each turn as if that wasn't enough, stunning her just isn't worth it unless you either grind a lot for proficiencies/Hydra Suits and/or grind to get a mikiri for every possible move you can block so you can at least avoid a turn in setting up Sword Barrier, which makes the second phase a lot safer since you have to reapply everything from the first phase.

[Anonymous No.4859596]

>>4859249
I'm sure she's immune to stun, it would be a complete joke if she was not.

Tell me what moves she uses and I'll come up with a strategy.