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4845024 No.4845024 [Reply] [Original]

>In order to beat this boss you needed to get a super-rare materia to get rid of the time
>In order to get that materia, you needed to go to a specific spot in the game, wait for a specific, randomly spawning monster to appear and know that you had to you a specific ability to turn it into said item

How the fuck where people supposed to be able to figure this shit out back then without the use of a strategy guide? Because that kind of information sure as hell didn't exist back in 1997 internet

>> No.4845027

The time limit is the least of your worries with this big green bastard.

>> No.4845029

>>4845024
Gamefaqs existed back then

>> No.4845031

>>4845024
>without the use of a strategy guide

Well... a lot of us did have the guide, or like EGM2 or something. But there were also forums like Gamewinners or something. I'm not saying the experience of searching for info on games wasn't a bit messier, but it did exist. For AAA games especially.

>> No.4845032

https://web.archive.org/web/19970705203559/http://www.gamefaqs.com:80/vpsx_fj_t.html

>> No.4845034

>>4845027
Yeah, the underwater materia is pointless. You're going to have won or loss within 30 minutes, unless you went into the fight with 99 megalixirs or something.

>> No.4845038

GameFAQs is from 1994. Either way, there were magazines.

>> No.4845045

I remember seeing this nightmarish art of EW where it's "eyes" were human-like but I've never been able to find it again.

>> No.4845047

>>4845034
Which many do with the W-Item materia item dupe trick.

>> No.4845052

>>4845031
I had a guide for the game myself back then. What I am getting at is that the entire process is so esoteric that it feels like it would impossible to figure out if you just played the game; like it was added to the game exclusively to get people to buy guides or magazines

>> No.4845071

underwater materia isn't that useful since the trick with Emerald is to have as little materia equipped as you can

>> No.4845086

>>4845052
I think in this case it may just be a byproduct of Emerald and Ruby being tacked on after the initial release of FF7 JP. They probably just didn't have the time to really make sense of it but wanted these extra monsters in there (which probably were already coded in and just deactivated because they couldn't finish it satisfactorily in time).

>> No.4845094

>>4845045
literally typed in emerald weapon with human eyes, first thing that popped up.

>> No.4845107

>>4845094
No, the one I remember was far more disturbing, maybe I was high when I saw it (or thought I saw it).

>> No.4845108

>>4845024
Lots of time, luck, patience, etc. The vast majority of the game is still straight forward and having this boss doesn't take away from that experience.

>> No.4845140

>>4845024
There was internet back in those days you simp

>> No.4845302

>>4845024
>How the fuck where people supposed to be able to figure this shit out back then without the use of a strategy guide?
That's exactly why they did it like that, so you'd buy the strategy guide.

>> No.4845305

>>4845024
I like soloing him with Yuffie now. Conformer, hero drinks, and her level 3 limit. Got the master materia from him earliest possible point, and Yuffie became super over-leveled.

>> No.4845338

>>4845029
Only 24% of America had internet in 1997, and the vast majority were on the west coast. Internet did exist sure, but was not par for the course then.

>> No.4845342
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4845342

games designed so you have to buy the strategy guide

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4845350

>forget to talk to one npc
>answer one question wrong
>no 100% completion
>no true ending for you

Fuck you square, this game should just be called “strategy guide: the game”. Because without it you’re fucked.

>> No.4845356

>>4845024
he doesn't get emerald weapon down to one hp, feed him an elixir, then kill him again in the same fight without using underwater materia

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kCJLd8-AXE

>> No.4845361

>>4845024
>not just manipulating the system to give you Lucky 7s

Trivially easy to accomplish with the chocobo summon

>> No.4845664

>>4845024
You were not entitled to know it. I guess part of the fun was knowing the game was filled with secrets.

>> No.4845673

>>4845342
>>4845024
>game designed so you have to buy the stragagy guide but you still have to look up the online faq anyway

>> No.4845675
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>>4845673
strategy* sorry im retarded

>> No.4845689

>>4845673
If you need a strategy guide to beat any FF, there's a high probability that you're mentally retarded. And 100%ing anything is autistic so nobody cares.

>> No.4845696

>>4845675
I hated this shit so much. What's the point?

>> No.4845701

>>4845107
Different anon here but the one that comes up in Google is still pretty disgusting tb quite h

>> No.4845761 [DELETED] 

>>4845350
essentially 100% on this game amounts to "pick the youth league, visit every area during every chapter even if it says nothing is going on, talk to every non-generic NPC and do things based on what they say." it was a complete clusterfuck. and the downside is I really enjoyed the combat system, but between how fucking ridiculous the % system was and how cringey the dialogue and main cast were together it ended up basically unplayable. imagine a game closer in tone to X or even VII with a combat/job system like this one. it could have been great. still hurts.

>> No.4845763

>>4845689
for something like ruby/emerald weapon, most kids (i'm talking ~10 which is how old I was when I played the game) would probably be able to succeed without a guide. think about stuff like chocobo breeding. the process of actually learning in game how to breed chocobos amount to getting lucky info from chocobo sage (and what kid would talk to him 100 times) and sheer luck. that means no KoR/Quadra Magic/Mime and makes ruby and emerald pretty fuckin difficult

>> No.4845939

>>4845350
>>4845761
Fuck off. >>>/v/

>> No.4846575

>>4845696
Nothing more than generate website traffic.

For every section with one of those "Go to PlayOnline.com!" stamps, they could have used the space to just tell you the information. It's like those fucking teasers before the news where they'll spend a 30-second commercial slot telling you to watch because of a story that'll get 20 seconds of coverage.

>> No.4846658

>>4845356
That's nothing.
Just kill movers to make 8 copies of [command] counter and mime, then use ungarmax with barret, and when emerald attack, he'll counter with ungarmax 8 times:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfuD3O1Fc2A

You can kill emerald weapon in under 3 minutes.

>> No.4846664

>>4845305
Ungermax makes even shorter work of him.

>> No.4846673

>>4845701
Why are human eyes on non-human things so fucking disturbing? I want him to look like that in the remake just to make him so bloody nightmarish

>> No.4846676
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4846676

More importantly, why did they ripoff Gundam for their designs?

>> No.4846680

>>4846676
There are only so many basic shapes you can make giant murder machi- ah fuck it who knows.

>> No.4846709

>actually bothering with underwater materia
Step up your game

>> No.4846730

>>4845031
man, gamewinners

it shocked me to see that that site finally died not too long ago, I thought they were gonna go into the 20s with that boxy late 90s/early 2000s layout of theirs

>> No.4847047

>>4845338
>and the vast majority were on the west coast.
I call bullshit on this. Telecommunications infrastructure was way more mature on the east coast.

>> No.4847112

>>4845024
>Because that kind of information sure as hell didn't exist back in 1997 internet
Yes it did.

>> No.4847220

>>4845024
>How the fuck where people supposed to be able to figure this shit out back the
you weren't , you had to buy the gaming magazine or wait for your friends to do that, hear it from someone else , etc.

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>>4845024
See I thought the way to beat it was by disarming the pilot with your psychic abilities.

>> No.4847442

>hurr durr only 10% of ppl had internet back tehn

summercucks everyone

>> No.4847485

>>4845675
That Play Online shit pissed me off so much that it was the last time I ever bought a fucking strategy guide for any game.

>> No.4847803

Esoteric shit like this exists specifically to sell strategy guides. The only way to get some mega weapon in Final Fantasy 12 is by not opening some chest at the very beginning of the game and then grinding one specific chest that has a 1/128th chance of having it. If you open the chest at the beginning of the game, it won't spawn the weapon ever.

>> No.4848007

>>4845024
Both weapons keep their HP after running away from them. All you were expected to do was chip away at them then run away to catch your breath then continue the fight.

>> No.4848183

>>4848007
no you idiot this is wrong, that's only ultimate weapon

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4848237

>>4845675
>permanently missable things

Is there a worse feeling in a game?

>> No.4848240

>>cg cutscene depicts godzilla-sized creatures
>>game depicts king kong-sized creatures

not disappointing but still...

>> No.4849197

>>4846676
japs are unoriginal as fuck

>> No.4849316

>>4845024
as a poorfag at the time even I managed to go on the net and find this shit. School had the internet in the library so I just went there.

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>>4846673
>Why are human eyes on non-human things so fucking disturbing?

Uncanny valley.

>> No.4850602

>>4845338
I always just went down to the library and printed codes until our family got dial up.

>> No.4850617

>>4845024
>How the fuck where people supposed to be able to figure this shit out back then without the use of a strategy guide?
They weren't.
>Because that kind of information sure as hell didn't exist back in 1997 internet
Yes, it sure as hell did. Gain some fucking clues, young faggot.

>> No.4850621

>>4845024
KEK never had trouble with this guy, was too busy playing DUAL ORB 2

>> No.4850653

>>4848237
I'm not sure how to feel about it, as a creator I think it's a cool way to change the world, but as a player I always just feel like it's a load of shit that I can't visit this location anymore. I don't even care about the permanently missable items, realistically they shouldn't be something that necessary anyway. I would probably put them in that way on purpose just to fuck with players, kind of like how by the time you are likely to get the sword of kings as a drop, you're pretty much overleveled and don't need it anyway.

>> No.4850687

>>4845356
>>4846658
>not soloing emerald wpn with vincent in under 3 minutes without pushing a button
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOlAGmRevLg
Turns out giant super robots are extremely vulneable to being robbed.

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>>4845024
game came out in US in september '97. Strategy guide came out in August '97. We knew back then. Its called asking mom if you can go look at the video games when she was shopping at k-mart and you go and read the guide for the new game that you saw on a tv commercial and reading up on it.

there was no youtube reviews or let's play or leaked japanese content back then. You had to physically find out yourself or know a kid at school.

>> No.4851318

>>4850835
Internet has been pretty accessible since the 80s, bro.

>> No.4851327

>>4845024
>Because that kind of information sure as hell didn't exist back in 1997 internet

It did actually. 1997 internet is how I found out,I printed out a walkthrough

>> No.4851415

>>4851327
This. I wish it were possible to get a full text dump of gamefaqs.com.

>> No.4851418

>tfw didn't have a desktop PC until around 1998
>tfw didn't hear about gamefaq or bother going to gaming sites until the early 2000's

In retrospect I was not a bright child

>> No.4851425

>>4848237
>ultra omega item of +2 win
yeah missing those made me feel like shit
>a potion
those not so much

>> No.4851439

>Memories of looking up Donkey Kong Country cheat codes on one of those cable based internet browser things you'd hook up to your TV.

Fuck. Does anyone remember that shit? Can't recall the name. It like just a keyboard and was only used to browse websites and was slow as heck even for at-the-time dial up standards.

>> No.4851454

>>4851439
Web Tv

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>>4851454
Oh my goodness anon thank you. I had totally forgotten about this until just now and it's all flooding back

>> No.4851523

>>4851458
Lol np. I had that shit too

>> No.4851545

>>4846676
This has unironically made me like the WEAPONS more, and I'm not even a Gundam fan. I just think it's cool to see designs that are homages to other things.

>> No.4851567

>>4845024
>Because that kind of information sure as hell didn't exist back in 1997 internet
are you sure?

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>>4845024
>that kind of information sure as hell didn't exist back in 1997 internet

>> No.4851662

>>4845024
Never was able to beat it without a guide and specifically the 7777 glitch. But I didn't care enough about super bosses when it came to kill Ruby Weapon. That was boring as shit. Super bosses in general are boring as shit but these at least weren't as boring as the super bosses in FFX.

>> No.4851724

>>4845024
>In order to beat this boss you needed to get a super-rare materia to get rid of the time
Yeah, if you're a fucking faggot

>> No.4851740

>>4851662
>Never was able to beat it without a guide and specifically the 7777 glitch.
It's real easy man. Just get a master gravity materia linked with Quadra magic, give somebody else mime, unequip all other materia and you're laughing

>> No.4851754

>>4851581
I miss that super simple html aesthetic of the internet.

>> No.4851779

>>4851567
I was an ignorant, poor child that didn't even get a computer until 98. I didn't even have web access until around that time

>> No.4851783

>>4845024
>Because that kind of information sure as hell didn't exist back in 1997 internet
Oh yes it did.

>> No.4851847 [DELETED] 

>>4845024
It's called not being fucking retarded. How do you think people figured out strategies that were objectively superior to the ones in the official strategy guide?

It's not like this game is complex. It's a piss easy JRPG for children.

>> No.4851853

>>4845024
It's called not being fucking retarded. How do you think people figured out strategies that were objectively superior to the ones in the official strategy guide? They weren't handed the information by God. They figured it out themselves.

It's not like this game is even complex. It's a piss easy JRPG for children.

>> No.4851857

I remember people figured out like 99% of this stuff before the game even arrived stateside.
You bet your ass the internet was as informative.

>> No.4851874

>>4845673
tfw no stragagy guide

>> No.4851889

>>4851581
>game sells over a million
>23k page views

>> No.4851945

>>4845763
I used "counter attack mania" strategy. IIRC, I had Vincent stacked with 16 "counter attack" materias, so each hit on him resulted in 160000dmg on Weapon.

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>>4846676

>> No.4852130

>>4845024
Bought this when it first came out, put about 80 hours into it. I finished everything inc emerald weapon without any guides or special materia, just a good medium difficulty fight. You kids dont know what a hard game is lol

>> No.4852134

Isn't the Materia only to get rid of the time limit?

Dude, everyone beat this boss without it.

>> No.4852138

>>4851853
this man is truth

>> No.4852143

I never really managed to go after super bosses in this game.

Now I'm doing New Threat and trying to imagine how difficult this would be.

>> No.4852168

>>4846676
Last one MASSIVE legs remind me more of the Devil Gundam rather than the more elegant Qubeley.

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>>4852130
>>4851853
This. Nothing in FF7 is actually hard.

You faggots know that the people on GameFaqs were just ordinary people who played the game like you, right? The only difference is that they were way less lazy and had the mental capacity to solve children's video games.

>> No.4852926

>>4851853
>>4852130
>>4852138
>>4852575

try harder, samefag

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>>4852926
>how could 4 people possibly believe the same thing

>> No.4853570

>>4853132
obviously doctored

>> No.4853831

>>4853570
Sure thing, paranoid schizophrenic anon.

>> No.4853840

>>4845675
This is the only guide book I actually returned to the store because I thought this was so retarded.

>> No.4853860

>>4848237
So just play through the game again and don't miss it next time. It's not like an extra 20 hours is a long time to put into a game.

>> No.4854571

>>4853132
you photoshopped that, cunt

>> No.4854579

>>4845338
I had internet and I lived in the midwest, but my dad was really into computer stuff so we had all sorts of nice things other kids didn't.

>> No.4854707

>>4854571
nope