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Are the classic Sonic games the prettiest 2D platformers ever made?

>> No.4830647
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4830647

DKC would like to have a word with you

>> No.4830650
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4830650

Ahem, move aside, plebs.

>> No.4830657

Not retro and I haven’t played it but Owlboy seems to look pretty darn good.

>> No.4830660

have you played every 2d platformer ever made?

>> No.4830667
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>>4830637
They're certainly very pretty

>> No.4830669

>>4830647
That shit is not even 2D, it's 3D pre rendered backgrounds similar to those in PS1 era games like Resident Evil and Final Fantasy

>> No.4830731

>>4830647

Not real 2d pixel art.

>> No.4830808
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4830808

Sonic CD especially had the nicest looking backgrounds.

>> No.4830814

>>4830669
It's 2.5 D

>> No.4831074

>>4830637
>>4830667
>>4830808
I never owned a Sega CD and never thought to look at youtube videos of Sonic CD until now, and as someone who grew up playing the regular Sonic Genesis games (original, 2, 3, Sonic & Knuckles, Spinball, and also Chaotix if you count that as Sonic / Genesis despite being Knuckles / 32X) this is the weirdest looking and sounding Sonic game I'm aware of.

>> No.4831087

>>4830637
>>4830667
>>4830808
>>4831074
More specifically I think I'm hearing death metal guitar speed picking in the sparkly invincibility mode music, and also it keeps on printing text about good and bad futures.

>> No.4831089
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4831089

>>4831074

Sonic CD is the true pleb filter. The three timezones, and how they affect each other, makes it much deeper than the others.

Also dat US soundtrack

>> No.4831096

>>4831089
>soundtrack
This riff right here, what the fuck:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4eTY31JuSdk&t=648
Also the loading music (which I think is for the Sega CD system and not specific to this game) and a lot of the sounds in general sound extremely dated in a good way. It's kind of creepy listening to it since it's both very familiar and also completely alien because I never had this video game system and probably have never heard these songs and most of these sound effects until now.

>> No.4831102

>>4831089
>>4831096
It kind of reminds me of the end stage for the original Ecco the Dolphin, with all that neat mecha-insectoid alien architecture.

>> No.4831138
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>>4830637
>Are the classic Sonic games the prettiest 2D platformers ever made?

The classic sonic games wouldn't even make the top 20.

>> No.4831143
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>>4830637
it might play like absolute trash but it's easily one of the best in terms of art style and music

>> No.4831239

>>4830731
> Game is 2D
> Art is made of pixels

What did you mean by this?

>> No.4831263

>>4830669
No, that isn't an accurate comparison. The SNES had neither the storage nor the power to display large pre-rendered images like FF7. The backgrounds were painstakingly designed in order to fit the seamless 3D CG look but still use traditional tile-based images. Trying to make tiny tiles that all fit together in various ways to create multiple seamless images is far more impressive than just slapping a single full image onto the screen.

>> No.4831275

>>4831263
I've never read specifics, but they supposedly came up with a new compression tech for DKC that allowed them to pack many more assets than usual, though it's still impressive they managed to have as many enemies, animations and level flavas as they had.

>> No.4831289

>>4831239

the assets were made & animated as 3d models on a silicon graphics workstation, pre rendered, then converted to sprites. It doesnt count as 2d pixel art.

>> No.4831315

>>4831289
OK, but OP didn't really ask for pixel art games, just 2D games

>> No.4831324

>>4831289
They still put a lot of work into touching up the 2D sprites to make them look as good as possible with the limited number of available colors. And that's just for the character sprites, the backgrounds are even more impressive than you're giving credit for (see
>>4831263). The DKC games were not a case of simple 2D images captured directly from 3D models like you seem to think.

>> No.4831327

>>4830637
> Are the classic Kirby games the prettiest 2D platformers ever made?

why yes they are.

>> No.4831330

>>4831324
goes to show how very little people here know about how some consoles work, or even how games are developed.

>> No.4831336
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>>4831324
I agree, the skill and ingenuity involved is usually taken for granted. Though I see how people may find what he >>4831289 calls "pixel art" the superior (or at least more fashionable to praise) discipline for creating low resolution visuals, since it was tailor-made for those conditions and eventually developed its own visual language, almost as an actual art medium

Prerendered visuals as a technique was more about the optimization for extremely constricted output resolution of graphics created for potentially ANY resolution. Since these consoles worked with 1-bit transparency assets (each pixel is either transparent or not), converting the anti-aliased contours into usable sprites must have been fucking hell, and even then it still doesn't look perfect -like with those grey pixels around Diddy-

>> No.4831348
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>>4830650
you baiting with trash? You need better bait mate...

>>4830637
no, bad bait

>> No.4831349

>>4831324

so are you honestly saying touching up a sprite that has been lit & shaded for you by a renderer is more impressive than drawing, animating, colouring & shading a 2d sprite from scratch by hand one pixel at a time?

>> No.4831357

>>4831263
>Trying to make tiny tiles that all fit together in various ways to create multiple seamless images is far more impressive than just slapping a single full image onto the screen.

thats how every single 2d game was made from the beginning until the 32 bit era. Its nothing special, simply how it had to be done due to memory restrictions.

>> No.4831358

>>4830647
DKC looked ugly even back then.

>> No.4831364
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4831364

Not sure if its the prettiest, but S3&K is one of the most inexplicably beautiful games I've ever played. To this day, no game makes me as comfy as S3&K.

>> No.4831367
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>>4831358
no man, dkc was absolutely epic back then. You can't believed how hyped I was for it. And the gameplay was actually good! Not just graphics!

>> No.4831368

>>4831367
I remember when it was released and I still have my DKC VHS tape. While it was technically impressive, it looked ugly and played even worse.

>> No.4831371

>>4831349
That was not implied at all.

>> No.4831372

>>4831364
Then why would you post that pic man

>> No.4831375

>>4831357
>until the 32 bit era
Which is what I was comparing it to. Did you not even attempt the follow the conversation?

>> No.4831380
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>>4831372
Because it was the first thing that came up on google that wasn't compressed JPG garbage

>> No.4831429
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4831429

headdy is up there

>> No.4831493

>>4831429
Excellent taste.

>> No.4831521

>>4830637
It's up there for sure. Ecco is also up there as well.

>> No.4831550

>>4831429
That dithering though. Ugh.

>> No.4831559
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>>4831550
Bitch, late-Genesis games are the golden age of console pixel art. I love that textured, gritty look they came up with; it felt so different from the smudgy and soft look of the SNES with its bigger palette complacency

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>>4831559
dude lmao, you're just salty that your parents never bought you the superior console

>> No.4831592

>>4831565
but right looks better?

>> No.4831597

>>4831592
>those 3 shades of brown, mmm, perfection

>> No.4831604

>>4830657
Looks great but very shallow gameplay.

>> No.4831605
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>>4830814
Nope

>> No.4831609 [DELETED] 

>>4830657
>>4831604
The lead artist is probably the best pixel artist working professionally today (except for maybe whatshisface who worked on this >>4831138), but he's also the director so we got a solid and great looking but completely inconsequential game. All "indie" productions should have a strong gameplay high concept as a starting point; lots of hard work and a love for the past aren't really enough

>> No.4831614

>>4831609
Who's this guy you're talking about? What even is a "pixel" artist?

>> No.4831628

>>4831550
If you were playing on composite or rf as the devs intended it would look very good.

>> No.4831637
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>>4831628
Got a picture to prove that? I grew up in the 90's, you could still see dithering on an average TV with these babies hooked up.

>> No.4831641

>>4831637
Shh you're ruining the bait.

>> No.4831649

>>4831289
This guy got utterly BTFO. Damn.

>> No.4831684

>>4831637
Everyone played on rf and a consumer tv gtfo memers.

>> No.4831692

>>4831637
i wish genesis supported s-video without any mods

>> No.4831761
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4831761

I always loved the child-art look of Yoshi's Island

>> No.4831884

>>4831074

Sonic CD is the only classic Sonic game I consistently come back to a play all the way through. Sometimes I just blast through it, other times I try to get all the good futures, and if I'm feeling extra plucky I'll go for all the time time stones too.

Nothing is more exhilarating than trying to time travel and finding a trick section or uninterrupted stretch of level to pull it off.

>> No.4831948

>>4831884
I just wish that the newer port would've allowed you to play time attack in the future/past versions of each zone.

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>>4831952

>> No.4831987

>>4831948

That'd be sweet. Like a Past/Future attack mode where you just play through all the P or F levels.

>> No.4832186
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>>4831074
>>4831087
Sonic CD has the best aesthetic and soundtrack of any Sonic game, as long as you play the Japanese version. Collision chaos is particularly good looking

>> No.4832261

>>4832186

I love that webm so much. Peak Sonic performance.

>> No.4832442

>>4832186
Why do Americans always change soundtracks? Sonic CD, DBZ...

>> No.4832458
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4832458

>>4830637
Astal

>> No.4832465

>>4830647
It's ugly scrubo.

>> No.4832469

>>4830650
God that game looks good.
It's why I prefer it over the Igavanias.
They just don't have nearly as good an artstyle.
To be fair they were on weaker consoles but...
Wait would you really consider it a platformer?

>> No.4832483

>>4832469
>It's why I prefer it over the Igavanias.
Anon...

>> No.4832740

>>4831358
Excellent hipster opinion, you've definitely shown how unique and independent your opinions are

>> No.4832813
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>>4832261
Have one from my favorite zone. God I wish I remembered to record at 60fps

>> No.4832817

>>4832740
I can guarantee you the people calling DKC ugly weren't even alive when it was released

>> No.4832821

>>4832817
Thanks for admitting that nostalgia is entirely what's shaping your opinion

>> No.4832835

>>4831565
>superior console
https://youtu.be/7v4SyWSlnJA

>> No.4832848

>>4830650
what game? pleb here

>> No.4832850

>>4830637
>ever made
That implies including modern games, in which case I'd have to vote for Rayman Legends.

>> No.4832998

>>4830808
whoa, never noticed that was a planet in the bg before. I always thought it was supposed to be something like Sugarloaf Mtn.

>> No.4833005

>>4832835
Feel free to bring up the fact the the Genesis version is homebrew made 20 years later than the SNES version with modern utilities and unrestricted rom size to boot

>> No.4833007

>>4831761
Correct answer.

>> No.4833024
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>>4830650
I know that the SoTN is technically superior and all but i kinda like the look of Dracula X more. I think the environments have more variety and allows the game to be visually interesting where as SoTN was inside the Castlevania and had less environmental variety to work with. Plus SoTN recycles some sprites which isn't that big a deal since the sprites were good to begin with so i feel like it loses some points on that too. Although it did have the best OST for the series.

>> No.4833079
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>>4830808
These have always been my favorite Special Stages.

>> No.4833081

>>4833024
I love love love the art in Dracula X. By far the best art direction. Even the music is better than most
But damn the actual play is not so good.

>> No.4833152

>>4832442
They don't have the rights to the original music. Thank Japanese laws.

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>>4831368
If you mean by
>and played even worse
that it didn't play like super mario world, then what the fuck? Thank god not every game plays the same! Doesn't mean it's bad!

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>> No.4833326

>>4833297
Why is that the prettiest platformers are also the ones to have the shittiest gameplay?

>> No.4833342

Get your ugly castlevania crap out of here. The theme is PRETTY platformers.

>> No.4833521

>>4832821
>muh nostalgia glasses
it may look ugly to you gen z fucks who are spoiled with HD 1080p graphics but it's probably the best looking game on the SNES after Yoshi's Island

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4833532

>>4833521
lmao u mad

>> No.4833546

>>4832442
To make it better

>> No.4833651

>>4830647
Honestly it's the worst shit I played on the SNES back then. Everything looks like smeared shit. Game is fun tho.

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>>4833532
you little shit don't make me get the mods after you

>> No.4833713

>>4831089
>Also dat US soundtrack
is wank compared to eu/jap, fuckign pleb.

>> No.4833715

>>4831143
>it might play like absolute trash
literally wat? is this another vr dad is complete retard trash shit at games so blames them for being bad instead?

>> No.4833719

>>4833521
mate i grew up with snes and you're still wrong and a retard, best looking snes game? i think that's a stretch, castlevania dracula x is much prettier, most of super turrican 2 is aswell, it's fun and has its style and i like it but it's not what i'd call established good looking.

>> No.4833742

>>4832817
I second that

DKC was a super-great super-hyped game back on time.

It's sad it aged poorly. But I like playing it again sometimes.

>> No.4833934

>>4830814
Wrong, it's simply 2D.

>> No.4833989
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4833989

>>4830637
if we're judging by pure aesthetics, rayman > sonic

>> No.4834019

>>4833742
>It's sad it aged poorly
graphics wise sure, but it's one of the best games for the SNES

>> No.4834021

>>4833005
>made 20 years later
The hardware is still the same. If you're gonna argue mastery of the hardware makes a difference, (which I agree with) you'd better be ready to show us those 2018 super 60fps snes raycasting homebrews, pedro. Until then, the facts show the snes has a weaker cpu.
>believes rom size makes any difference at all when making a game like this
lol

>> No.4834048

>>4833989
It doesn't have that crunchy pixel look though. It's just lots of gradients honestly.

>> No.4834834

>>4833713
As if it's pleb to appreciate the crafted US soundtrack instead of the spastic and overly cluttered original soundtrack
The Past tracks are the best because they are generally pared down from the obnoxious Present/Future versions.

Fucking two seconds into Palmtree Panic and the Jap music is grating and it only gets worse.

>> No.4834840

>>4832813
Colission chaos easily has the worst aesthetic of the game

>> No.4835119

>>4831138
Start posting those pretty games or go back to nu-/vr/