/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.4808086]

Why does Sonic look derpy in Sonic 3?

[Anonymous No.4808091]

no u

[Anonymous No.4808096]

I prefer the Sonic 1 sprite but he looks fine in 3.

[noko No.4808117]

>>4808086
They wanted to hype/market each Sonic sequel as a progressive step forward from the one(s) before it, and one way of doing that is adding/changing detail to the protagonist sprites. Whether or not that was actually a good idea is debatable looking back today, but at the time it helped differentiate them as being distinctive sequels and not just "more of the same" expansion packs (with the exception of S&K of course).

[Anonymous No.4808159]

>>4808086
The art style as a whole changed a lot, losing the "soft" look of early 16 bit games (straight gradients out of the ass, and little emphasis on constrast contours) with the really textured style of later Genesis games in backgrounds specially.

The character sprites were revamped as well with a slightly more energetic look and lost the somewhat deadpan expressions. Only change I'd say could be objectively for the worse was the hand size and position making the pose less readable.

But yeah, they didn't really anticipate the earlier = better (eventually simplified even more towards different = bad) mindset attached to the "retro" sensibilities that would come years later.

[Anonymous No.4808201]

>>4808096
Same here, sonic 1 is the definite sprite

[Anonymous No.4808208]

>>4808086
Small pupils close together and the two pixel smile.

[Anonymous No.4808209]

>>4808086
I think he looks good in 3. The bigger hands and feet balance him out well.

Spinball looks like he's about to bash yer fookin hed in m8.

[Anonymous No.4808229]

>>4808086
its just the worse eyebrow furl, doesn't look pissed anymore

[Anonymous No.4808230]

>>4808086
Your mom looks derpy in Sonic 3.

[Anonymous No.4808271]

>>4808086
most people complain about the glove size in sonic 3, but the main difference between the others is that they tried to make him look 3d.
i really wish mania made new sprites entirely instead of wanking to sonic 1&2. we'll never have a real new sonic game.

[Anonymous No.4808287]

>>4808271
>complain about the glove size
I didn't realize autism that severe was even possible.

[Anonymous No.4808290]

>>4808086
What is that deformed midget Sonic on the far right and why is it in this comparison? I don't remember Sonic ever looking like that

[Anonymous No.4808306]

I never have understood the 3 hate, his features look so angular in the earlier games, especially the feet, and there's something wrong with his posture. The eyes and stomach are just plain better in terms of detail in 3.

[Anonymous No.4808314]

>>4808290
It's from Sonic Spinball, I think.

[Anonymous No.4808316]

>>4808290
It's from Sonic Spinball.

[Anonymous No.4808375]

>>4808271
What they accomplished with Mania was having more FMV Sonic/Ingame Sonic discrepancies, since the ingame sprite has only one spine backpiece like in Sonic 1/2, while the FMV has the more conventional two backpieces (head and bust) from its redesign dating back to Sonic CD, and then 3.

[Anonymous No.4808385]

>>4808159
>>4808117
This. how else do you justify 2 sequels if nothing changels but the level?
S3 had gradients and a revamped soundtrack compared to 1 and 2.

[Anonymous No.4808571]

>>4808314
>>4808316
Hmm, strange. I remember Sonic looking much more normal in Spinball, but it has been a while since I last played

[Anonymous No.4808578]

>>4808385
>nothing changels

[Anonymous No.4808581]

>>4808571
He takes 3-4 frames to respond in this game.

[Anonymous No.4808584]

>>4808271
Oh shut the fuck up, I for one am happy we even got Mania.

[Anonymous No.4808590]

>>4808584
Mania is a scam >:(

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhyoif20iZI

[Anonymous No.4810234]

so sonic fans have someone they can identify with

[Anonymous No.4810267]

>>4808271
Could not disagree more. For mania they took the best features of all three and combined them into one. Better color depth, cleaner looking design, the rounded design of 3 to make him more 3D and gloves are sized somewhere in between 3/2 but clenched in a tight fist in order to hold all that tude'

Even Knuckles is light years ahead of the original. I approve of almost every decision they made as far as the character design is concerned

[Anonymous No.4810363]

Sonic 3 is vastly inferior to the previous games in almost every aspect, but the aesthetical degradation is really heartbreaking. I'm always genuinely baffled when people call it the best game in the original series.
Right away when you start the game, you notice that the hybrid techno-nature appearance that made Sonic so unique is gone - the landscape just looks like a 16-bit portrayal of a natural place, instead of the artificial trees and robotic landscapes in Sonic 1, 2 and CD. Add to that the music which is okay-ish at best (is there a more boring theme in the entire series than the first zone of Sonic 3?), the inferior levels, and you have a game which is a decent Genesis platformer, but far from the instant classics of 1 and 2.

Of course, once the games started being set on Earth the setting was completely destroyed, but you can already see that they stopped giving a shit in this game.

[Anonymous No.4810372]

>>4810363
>Of course, once the games started being set on Earth

They always were, you nignog.

[Anonymous No.4810396]

Yeah, the first thing that comes to mind when Playing Sonic 1 and 2 is modern city life and contemporary humans.
You're probably baiting, but it's obvious that Sonic actually taking place in our timeline is a shitty retcon introduced in the Adventure games. It's completely incongruous with everything that happens in the classic series and looks ridiculous.

[Anonymous No.4810418]

>>4808086
Yeah he doesn't look as good, but he still looks better than whatever the fuck is on the end

[Anonymous No.4810798]

>>4808590
That video is saying Mania PLUS is a scam, and not even in an entirely negative way.

[Anonymous No.4810873]

>>4810372
I thought 1 - S&K took place on Mobius or whatever?

[Anonymous No.4810895]

>>4808271
Why is he teal now?

[Anonymous No.4810901]

>>4808306
>3 hate

What?
I thought it was almost universally regarded as the best one.

[Anonymous No.4810910]

>>4810895
color blind, or poor color reproduction on your end?

[Anonymous No.4810916]

>>4810901
Lots of people shit on it for the stages dragging on too long, having too many gimmicks, and the music being inferior to 1&2.

[Anonymous No.4810921]

>>4810916
>Michael Jackson
>inferior to a nobody bassist
okay

[Anonymous No.4810950]

>>4810921
The best tracks in 3&K weren't even composed by MJ himself, lad.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPNgC3gBaq4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLaSIz2ye-8

[Anonymous No.4810957]

>>4810950
Flying Battery annoys me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivhg4xgF6a0
Still my favorite beat (remixed).

[Anonymous No.4811625]

>>4808571
>I remember Sonic looking much more normal in Spinball
That's because you're normal and not autistic.
Normal people perceive the general idea with shit like this. You don't have an actual to specification diagram of things you see logged in your memory, you just have semantic notions like "blue with spiky looking things on the back of his head and red shoes running really fast," which is abstract enough that all sorts of different versions of imagery could be presented to you and you'd still recognize them all as the same one character.

[Anonymous No.4811829]

Sonic

[Anonymous No.4811836]

[Anonymous No.4811893]

>>4808086
The sprite from Sonic 3 is actually the best one.

It's disappointing Sonia Mania doesn't use that one instead.

[Anonymous No.4811919]

>>4811893
God Amy is so hot

[Anonymous No.4811968]

>>4808086
All sonics look "derpy", you're royally fucked if you think an anthropomorphic hedgehog looks cool.

[Anonymous No.4811972]

>>4811968
Sonic is cool

btw on this captcha it said click traffic lights but I clicked roads instead im so crazy. I fixed my mistake though.

[Anonymous No.4812150]

>>4810873
Translation error.

[Anonymous No.4812151]

>>4811919
Autism

[Anonymous No.4812272]

>>4810921
>jigaboo music
>good
No

[Anonymous No.4812445]

>>4810267
eggman sticking two fingers up to the sjws with his casual cultural appropriation of the rasta hat

[Anonymous No.4812609]

>>4811919
Almost as hot as Princess Sevenleaf.

[Anonymous No.4812619]

>that sonic spinball sprite

[Anonymous No.4812638]

>>4810895
He's no longer limited to the Mega Drive color palette.

[Anonymous No.4812682]

>>4808271
>>4810895
Calm down, Chris-chan.

[Anonymous No.4812737]

>>4811919

[Anonymous No.4812979]

>>4812638
>Mega Drive
Anyone else grew up as a sheltered American and reacts to use of that name like it's some make believe system that never actually existed?
I know our name came second, but I just can't believe people actually grew up playing a genesis but calling it a "mega drive."

[Anonymous No.4813030]

>>4812979
I've gotten used to it over time. Still not used to Teenage Mutant Hero Turtles, though.

[Anonymous No.4813037]

>>4813030
>Teenage Mutant Hero Turtles
What the fuck? Them being ninjas was the entire point.

[Anonymous No.4813040]

>>4813030
>>4813037
>tfw "bin that knife" /pol/ memes were true
http://mentalfloss.com/article/90945/why-teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-was-hero-turtles-uk
>At the time, the British government was on the offensive against violence in children's television, and ninjas and nunchucks were both in the firing line.

[Anonymous No.4813041]

>>4813037
>heroes in a half shell

[Anonymous No.4813046]

>>4813037
Haha yeah, but it was "too violent" of a word for the UK. So they were forced tyo change Ninja to Hero

https://www.movie-censorship.com/report.php?ID=4688801

>The cartoon series Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, which as the name suggests features four mutated ninja turtles, was first shown in the US in 1987 and became an instant TV-hit. Because of its big success, the British were soon eager to buy the series, but due to a strict “protection of minors” law, the series had to be censored there. For the most part only scenes showing Michelangelo using his nunchucks were edited or removed. Furthermore, dialogues were edited to turn the word ninja into hero. However, sometimes complete scenes are missing due to the use of that infamous word! In addition to that, sound effects were added in fighting scenes to make them sound funnier and less scary.

[Anonymous No.4813049]

>>4813041
So what? They were also New York City residents, time travelers, adoptees, and a million other attributes. The whole point of them was they were ninjas who were also mutant turtles. Lots of characters are heroes, it's their ninjutsu that defined them.

[Anonymous No.4813051]

>>4813046
>nunchucks
Why would they go after the nunchucks of all things?'
Wouldn't they be more concerned about the sword and twin sai that could actually murder people?

[Anonymous No.4813054]

>>4813051
Kids have immediate access to blunt objects. Only adults can buy blades.

[Anonymous No.4813057]

>>4813054
Like a long stick? I imagine kids could get a hold of a long stick better than they could manufacture nunchucks that wouldn't easily break.

I would have guessed the popularity of Bruce Lee movies influenced the censorship. But that's just a shot in the dark, I don't know how well known Bruce Lee was over there.

[Anonymous No.4813061]

>>4813057
staff can't be concealed. nunchaku can be and is easy to make

[Anonymous No.4813086]

>>4813061
It can be disguised as a broom, mop, etc. It can even be made from one. I bet there are brooms and mops at schools in the UK.

Point is, singling out nunchucks appears rather stupid from where I'm sitting. Same thing with the word Ninja.

[Anonymous No.4813115]

>>4812151
>>4812609
>>4812737
You guys are super hot.