How necessary is a CRTV to you?

[Anonymous No.4806681]

How necessary is it to play classic games on a CRTV rather than a modern 60hz monitor or HD LCD?

Will the TV/Monitor running at 144hz or more matter in any way?


Asking personally. I got a snes and n64, but I don't have my old ass TV anymore. Thinking about hooking it up to a 144hz monitor or just emulating it.

[Anonymous No.4806683]

>>4806681
I think it's necessary for anything pre-5th gen, and still desired for 5th gen itself. However I'm not so much of a snoot that I'll only accept PVMS, Trinitrons, or whatever. Any ol' consumer grade set is just fine.

[Anonymous No.4806687]

I have like 3 CRTs at home, and I didn't pay for any of them, they were given to me by people who don't use them anymore.
Anyway, yes, I always play SD games on SD displays, it just looks better to me. But if I had no choice, eh, I'd still play on modern screens I guess.

[Anonymous No.4806691]

>>4806681
I threw all mine out, I got sick of having to find new ones when they started to have issues. Also I'm moving soon and couldn't be bothered to deal with the inevitable damage they would take in the process. I almost only play Famicom, and I play RF hooked to a tiny Samsung LCD that supports 240p now. The lag is ~2 frames or less, and while the video quality is admittedly poor, it's playable, cheap, and extremely easy to maintain. I'm hoping to buy a RetroUSB AVS soon so I can just play on a nice LCD and call it a day.

tl;dr, I like CRTs a lot, but they're a huge pain in the ass. They're a very, very subjective experience.

[Anonymous No.4806705]

>>4806681
As someone who were grew up playing on CRT TVs, it's a must. Playing on anything else feels like I'm drunk or driving a car with horrible wheel alignment.

[Anonymous No.4806725]

>>4806691
>tl;dr, I like CRTs a lot, but they're a huge pain in the ass
This. I used to use CRTs, but they all started developing problems, so I recently switched to an OSSC and low-latency (~0.5 frames) PC monitor and honestly couldn't be happier. It doesn't feel any different to me, and while the sharp RGB picture doesn't look the same as a CRT, it looks damn good in its own way.

But at the end of the day, it's about the games, not how you play them. Do whatever makes you happy, OP.

[babbage's gramps !RATGzMALLY No.4806757]

>>4806725
This is a pretty reasonable position to have so I don't know what it's doing on /vr/

Good CRTs with good cables will give you a great experience

Low delay HD displays with quality upscalers will give you a great experience

HOWEVER just plugging a retro console into an HDTV's SD inputs will more likely than not give you a pretty shitty experience

[Anonymous No.4806760]

For the real thing,a CRT is a must. If you only emulate, shaders have caught up enough you'd be hard pressed to tell the difference unless you're pushing your nose against the screen and who does that?

[Anonymous No.4806771]

CRT is maximum authentic, but i hook all my shit directly into a panasonic plasma TC-P42G25 because the input lag is extremely low, the built-in scaler is good enough, and i'd rather not have a CRT sitting around. i miss scanlines though.

[Anon No.4806773]

100%

[Anonymous No.4806813]

>>4806725
This. Especially now that OLED is a thing for consumers. CRTs are still great but it's nice to have options.

[Anonymous No.4806817]

>>4806681
In my experience any console up to the end of the 5th gen (including PS2) looks at it's best on a CRT.

LCD displays upscale everything and I just don't think it looks good at all even if it is through an upscaler like the Framemeister.
Especially games that have pre rendered or hand drawn backgrounds.

In addition CRT's don't have input lag and you can play light gun games.

So yes I think there necessary if you want the best experience.

But when emulators eventually have no input lag and they can make all games look just as good as they do on a CRT I don't think it would be necessary anymore unless you want to play light gun games that is.

[Anonymous No.4806860]

>>4806681
>$50
Looks more like a free-tier TV.

[Anonymous No.4806887]

>>4806681

[Anonymous No.4806903]

>>4806887
What am information am I supposed to be gathering from this picture?

[Anonymous No.4806918]

>>4806903
Probably meant to post on /r/PCGamingMasterRace but got lost

[Anonymous No.4806952]

I don't even know what will I do once every CRT dies.

[babbage's gramps !RATGzMALLY No.4806982]

>>4806952
You'll have been dead for a while so you won't need to worry about it

[Anonymous No.4807104]

>>4806860
It looks like a you-get-paid-to-take-it-tier TV. It seems like everyone knows they're good for old games now so people are already starting to gouge for even shitty models. If people stop giving them away or selling them cheap--keeping the gougers in check--prices will get crazy.

[Anonymous No.4807263]

I've never liked LCD but OLED + OSSC is pretty good.

[Anonymous No.4807285]

>>4806681
For some games like fast paced platformers and arcade games, having a CRT is essential.
>>4806725
>low-latency (~0.5 frames) PC monitor
No flat panel monitors exist with that little input lag. Sounds like you're blindly falling for manufacturer specs.
>>4806813
OLED's have their own bucket of problems.

[Anonymous No.4807294]

>>4806681
In some cases absoloutly necessary. In others it doesn't matter unless you're literally autistic. N64 will probably look like shit on any LCD.

[Anonymous No.4807351]

>>4807285
>No flat panel monitors exist with that little input lag. Sounds like you're blindly falling for manufacturer specs.
I split the video signal and directly compared it side-by-side with a CRT using a 240fps camera and the frame counter in the 240p test suite, and saw that the LCD's refresh was about 0.4-0.5 frames behind the CRT's electron beam. Sounds like you're blindly drinking the /crt/ Kool-Aid.

[Anonymous No.4807373]

>>4806887


also when is the CRT thread coming back?

[Anonymous No.4807393]

>>4807285
>No flat panel monitors exist with that little input lag. Sounds like you're blindly falling for manufacturer specs.
http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/dell_u2414h.htm#lag
>The Dell U2414H showed an average total display lag of only 4.0ms during the initial tests. This lag was very low overall, equating to a quarter of a frame. We measured half the average G2G response time as 4.45ms and so we can estimate that the signal processing is basically nothing. There will be some minimal margin for error in this as taking half the G2G response time is a close estimation of the pixel response time element. Regardless, the signal processing lag is incredibly low, much like we'd seen on the P2414H (there estimated at 1.05ms) and P2714H (0.95ms). From a lag point of view this means the screen should be perfectly fine, even for fast FPS gaming.

checks out

[Anonymous No.4807398]

>>4807285
>OLED's have their own bucket of problems

They do but from what I've seen they're highly exaggerated. And besides, so does every option out there. I own a BVM and although I love it for 240p the thing can't even do 480i properly. It's easy to see why people get excited and consider OLED the successor to CRT. The technology is quietly improving and getting cheaper and hopefully we will see some decent monitor options within the next few years.

>having a CRT is essential for fast paced platformers and arcade games

If you have a lag-free upscaler and a good display that's just not true anymore. Look, I love CRT, but that doesn't mean it has to be the only option in every situation.

[Anonymous No.4807406]

>>4807398
what is that webm?

[Anonymous No.4807414]

>>4806681
>Asking personally. I got a snes and n64, but I don't have my old ass TV anymore.
I love my CRT. It takes all the headache and tinkering out of the equation, and is generally cheaper then alternatives....but they do take up some space.

Craigslist has them for free quite often. I also shop at "thrift shops" in the USA, and places like "Salvation Army" will always have a $10-20 CRT for sale. I picked up my 20" samsung TV that has composite, component and Svideo connections for $20 and it was honestly one of the best purchases I have ever made. I can play ANY game system up to the 5th generation without issues. It is an authentic experience exactly as the developer intended in most cases. You can easily find 14"-24" televisions. Larger units and units with Component video or other "High def" hookups are becoming more rare. For the price of $20 you can pick and choose a new one as needed. As I get better ones donate the old one back. I am happy where I am, but would love to have a larger unit with similar capabilities.

Know what you are shopping for before just buying a CRT. Know what hook-ups will work best. Without modifications, Svideo is generally the best USA connection for older SD game systems.

[Anonymous No.4807415]

>>4806681
You shouldn't get a CRT, for obvious reasons, and you shouldn't emulate because that's wrong and too hard

What you should do is invest in a Framemeister, which at $400 is a bargain, so you can experience the real deal on your home theater display :-)

[Anonymous No.4807473]

>>4807406
Close-up of game running through an OSSC to an OLED monitor.

[Anonymous No.4807541]

>>4807285
>8ms. impossibruuu!
Sounds like the last time you checked out TVs was when k-mart was a thing and that's where you checked. 8ms is easily achievable IRL on a decent consumer LCD. With a high end low lag monitor you can expect 3ms. I'm not saying even that is an acceptable amount of lag. Only that you're ignorant and wrong.

[Anonymous No.4807702]

>>4807393
You forgot to add the lag converting analogue to HDMI/Displayport which is all that monitor accepts.

[Anonymous No.4807714]

>>4807702
He said he's using an OSSC which is as close to lagless as you can get.

[Anonymous No.4807735]

>>4806681

Personally, for me it is a must. I mean, if I'm going to track down, pay for, and repair retro consoles when necessary I might as well go the whole way and have a retro crt to play them on.

This isn't emulator bashing so please don't take it this way, but if I don't want to be as authentic as possible, I feel I'm better off emulating the whole shebang.

CRT just looks better to me. I obviously use lcd monitors in my everyday life as well as a plasma tv. I don't have anything against modern displays, they are a technological marvel, just I don't like playing old systems on them.

From a budgetary standpoint, unless you go crazy, it's way cheaper to hook up a retro console to a CRT. If you're not european and want RGB, that's where the money starts to add up. At this point, it's up to the individual how far they want to dive into the rabbit hole.

Hooking up retro consoles to modern display can also cost a lot of money depending on your display's inherent lag and upscaling. Honestly, it gets into that rabbit hole thing again. If you can't deal with lag (it does make some games almost unplayable or at least is detrimental) you have to start getting into upscallers, etc.

Hooking up an emulator to a modern display might not have enough lag to even bother anyone but the hardest of the hardcore.

[Anonymous No.4807745]

>>4806681

CRT is the most important element. Without a crt i wouldnt bother with 16/32 bit gaming. I'd probably stop altogether seeing how shallow recent games are.

[Anonymous No.4807746]

I have never understand why people find so much excuses to not have an old tv for old videogames.
Jesus Christ, in most countries those TVs are in the trash or being sold for less than 20-30 bucks.
>Hurr durr i have no space
You guys REALLY have no space for a 14'' TV? What the fuck, you guys live in a fucking box of matches? How terrible your life must be.

[Anonymous No.4807846]

>buy rgb Trinitron
>it has no option for adjusting horizontal overscan for some reason
Welp

[Anonymous No.4807854]

>>4807846
what model is it?

[Anonymous No.4808508]

>>4807746
Well I am living in a 1 bedroom "studio" apt in ny. Rent is expensive my man. I can't move away since I have a really good job here.

[Anonymous No.4808515]

>>4806681
Is there even a good n64 emulator out there yet?

[Anonymous No.4808524]

A must for my collection of lightgun games.

[Anonymous No.4808906]

>>4806681
I enjoy it a lot, and have lots of fun playing on a PVM. That said, I feel like using filters and shit is pointless. Either accept the fact that you're using an emulator or just get an actual CRT.

[Anonymous No.4809261]

CRT is completely unnecessary for most people.

Most people curious about retro should stick with retroarch.

Casual collectors honestly don't give a shit what they play old games on and it's no use arguing with them.

Enthusiasts should get PVMs.

[Anonymous No.4809338]

>>4806683
>>4806705
This.
>tfw CRTs will never make a comeback

[Anonymous No.4810381]

>>4806681
well, my options to go with my Amiga are to track down an expensive commodore monitor that could break at any time, look for an LCD monitor that looks good eg is white and supports 15khz input, use a TV (is ugly) or use a CRT TV (looks best and is cheapest).

now, finding one however seems to be the real problem. I have seen 2 CRTs available for free locally but they were fucking massive 27"+ behemoths

[Anonymous No.4811150]

>>4806681
>CRT
Necessary.
>native resolution
-not- necessary.

[Anonymous No.4811162]

>>4807745

[Anonymous No.4811175]

>>4809261
>Enthusiasts should get PVMs.
There's a small backlash against the PVMs going on right now, you know. A few people going back to shadow mask sets.

[Anonymous No.4811194]

>>4806681
It's a meme to fuck with youtubers and bandwagoners. Don't worry about it OP.

[Anonymous No.4811219]

>>4811175
Considering how overpriced pro monitors are now, I can't really blame people selling them for exorbitant prices and getting a consumer set instead. And I say this as someone who owns a PVM and prefers it over any alternative.

[Anonymous No.4811676]

>>4811219
Have you ever owned or had experience with RGB on a shadow mask set?

[Anonymous No.4811745]

>>4811175
To be fair i'Arts are pretty nice. Also there was a time where scanlines were considered disgusting and if you had them you were considered a poorfag.

[Anonymous No.4811754]

>>4806681

CRTs don't have a 'refresh rate' fyi

[Anonymous No.4811769]

I have like 4 CRT's.
>8 inch sony trinitron
>13 inch electrohome with built in DVD player
>Panasonic AG500 with a remote
>Toshiba 30 inch TV on an AV cart that's my current go to (also has a new old stock remote)

Once those all die, I'll just play on monitors. I don't really care that much but I do think the colours are more vibrant and warmer on the CRT.

[Anonymous No.4811773]

>>4811754
Are you actually retarded?

[Anonymous No.4811974]

>CRTV
>Cathode Ray Tube Vision

does this bother anyone else or am I just weird?

[Anonymous No.4813373]

>>4806903
It's the ROMmunist guy

[Anonymous No.4814806]

>>4808508
>have "really good job"
>tiny studio apartment
lol okay

[Anonymous No.4814824]

>>4807746
What I don't understand is how people will buy a Framemeister when they could have even purchased a CRT with RGB for less.

[Anonymous No.4815378]

I find it hard to play retro games on anything else. I bought a PVM because I'm a faggot, but for most people just a regular CRT that you can probably get for free will be just fine.

[Anonymous No.4815561]

It's gotta be a CRT, no ifs, ands or buts, unless we're talking a portable (gameboy, homebrew emulators on PSP/3DS/Switch(soon...))
On the other hand, I don't care whether it's a PVM or a Trinitron. The cult-level circlejerk for Trinitrons is too damn high and is driving prices up for both them and the rest of the consumer TVs in a knock-on effect. I can't believe people are falling over themseves for those FD WEGA pieces of shit with permanently awful geometry. Not to shit on Trinis as a whole, the 80s-90s curved ones are consistently high quality.
I've got both shadow masks and Trinitrons, my favorite of them is a 27" Mitsubishi with S-Video. As long as it's a brand that isn't shit (i.e. any Japanese company) slot masks are just as good, at higher sizes and beyond the late 80s or so, they are pretty much neck to neck with Trinis. Any slot mask will still be better than a shitty WEGA.

[Anonymous No.4815589]

Got this hunk o joy for free, barely used from an old couples rv. Its got video out, easy to hook up to a comp for recording while playing.

[Anonymous No.4815620]

>>4815589

[Anonymous No.4815651]

Memes aside do CRTs give off harmful radiation? Cant find a definite source.
One time i got mad and smashed one and my dad yelled at me cus he said it would release Radon.

[Anonymous No.4815680]

>>4815651
>CRTs can emit a small amount of X-ray radiation as a result of the electron beam's bombardment of the shadow mask/aperture grille and phosphors. The amount of radiation escaping the front of the monitor is widely considered not to be harmful. The Food and Drug Administration regulations in 21 C.F.R. 1020.10 are used to strictly limit, for instance, television receivers to 0.5 milliroentgens per hour (mR/h) (0.13 µC/(kg·h) or 36 pA/kg) at a distance of 5 cm (2 in) from any external surface; since 2007, most CRTs have emissions that fall well below this limit.[52]

[Anonymous No.4815760]

>>4806681
I have my brother's CRT to play PS1 and PS2 games. And with Nocturne at least I ran a test in my 1080p monitor, and the difference was night and day.

Really, the only thing against it is that the imagine is misaligned when playing PS2 games. Can be corrected with Free MCBoot, but it's kind of annoying nonetheless.

[Anonymous No.4817485]

>>4815620
looks great, put it to good use and enjoy it

[Anonymous No.4818523]

>>4814806
its ny. Housing market is fucked there.

[Anonymous No.4819015]

>>4806681
It is necessary for me because it is all I can afford. The CRT was a hand-me-down and is my daily diver for display. I still enjoy playing light-gun games and I cannot get those to work on my friends' LCD TVs with my budget/skills.


>>4806725
Some of my old consoles only does composite and S-video only, so they don't work with the OSSC, so I have to rely on the Framemeister. What is a good low-latancy monitor/TV with good colors? Any under $200USD?


>>4807745
There are other elements too. Everyone's so focused on the display, but also I am interested in the sound too. What are some great speakers for 16/32-bg gaming?


>>4808508
I know this feeling, except the only job I can get/have is shit. Rent is super expensive.

>>4811175
>>4811219
Whatever it takes to get the price down, I suppose. I saved up $1000USD over the course of 4 years to try to get a 20" BVM here, but even that is not enough for one.

[Anonymous No.4819081]

>>4819015
Do you know what resolution the super retro advance outputs at by any chance? The game boy player + disc for GC is expensive and I wanna play some tv pokemon.

[Anonymous No.4819376]

>>4819081
The Super Retro Advance adapter uses its own video-out cable if used with a real SNES, as it only uses the actual SNES for power and P1 input. However, on the clone console, it outputs through the clone console's composite out only, not S-video. It stretches the video to the full frame. Also of note, the adapter only plays GBA games, and no GB/GBC games.

I would suggest you get a Gameboy Player for your GameCube. You no longer need to use the boot disc, if you have a SD-card reader, you can use the superior GBI and GBI-LL homebrew software. The GBI-LL will output perfect 240P, has low latency, and can take advantage of the component or HDMI signals out of your Gamecube. Just the bare player alone without the boot disc should run you no more than $20USD, and if you're willing to chance the Japanese junk sections, just $1-$5. That may be the least expensive option for your TV Pokemon craving.

[Anonymous No.4819432]

>>4806681
It is pretty necessary. I couldn't get the NES to work on the new TV, so I got a tube telly to connect the nintendo and sega into.

[Anonymous No.4820216]

Are OSSC worth buying

[Anonymous No.4820893]

Do any of you watch SD content on CRT's. Would you say it looks better?

[Anonymous No.4822680]

>>4820893
way better, even compares well to watching dvds with a good upscaler

[Anonymous No.4822976]

So I got an OSSC and my SNES looks amazing on my TV.

But my N64's video isn't coming through? I got an RGB modded system and the audio is being passed through the OSSC if I plug in a headphone into the audio out, so I'm not sure what's going on.

I am using the same SCART cable for both, if that matters.

[Anonymous No.4823038]

>>4822976
What sync source is your SCART cable using? If csync, did whoever modded your N64 hook up csync?

[Anonymous No.4823046]

>>4823038
From seller:
>It has been modified to output composite SYNC(CSYNC, which is sourced from the luma-SYNC pin)

my SNES cable says it's CSYNC

[Anonymous No.4823060]

>>4823046
I'd open up the SCART head and check what if any components are on the sync line in the cable. Is the N64's csync TTL or attenuated?

[Anonymous No.4823063]

>>4806681
Not in the slightest. I will happily emulate and even play Einhander on my Vita.

Maybe I just enjoy games for their mechanics over their pixels.

[Anonymous No.4823067]

>>4823060
ah heck, I'm not sure I know what to look for on the cable. The seller of the system used this method:
http://retrorgb.com/n64rgb.html

and the cable is from video game perfection.

[Anonymous No.4823083]

>>4823067
That page only talks about the RGB amp, not the sync stripper which is likely where the issue is.

This sort of thing is why I usually recommend sync-on-luma cables unless you have a specific need for csync. Too many potential issues and pitfalls with csync if you don't know what you're doing, and it's just not necessary in most cases.

[Anonymous No.4823096]

>>4806681
I feel like it’s a necessity for me, I love the color and black levels. I prefer my crt to my pvm because it’s less hassle and I can have most of my consoles hooked up and ready to play at any time. I like the pvm with rgb but I honestly can’t tell the difference between rgb and component, I also feel like svideo is close to rgb in some consoles. I like that consumer sets have many different connection types and I can switch between them effortlessly. I like that servicing them is pretty straight forward and I feel like I should say that you really don’t have much to worry about when working on them, the memes about “one hand behind your back” are grossly overstated, the rule is don’t be a careless retard but it isn’t rocket science or dangerous by any means. I’ve never tried to work on any other type of monitor but I think the tinkering aspect is also a reason I like crts. Pvms aren’t worth the money but if you can find a little 14 inch for ~$50.00 id say pick it up just to have and experience. I’m not a purest by any means since I own flash carts and buy some classics on psn but if I find a cart of a game that looks interesting or even games I love I’ll get the original cart as well as have it available on my flash cart/psn. I also prefer some movies as vhs since it just adds to the viewing experience imo, movies like Godzilla or old horror movies and anime just look “better” I know there are remastered of some available but some of the tricks or quirks become much more visible or distracting. Here’s the geo on my main set, it’s off but this set doesn’t offer many options to get it much better.

[Anonymous No.4823561]

>>4806691
pretty much this - i got sick of them even before the nostalgia did set in, when the internal cable went loose or deteriorated in one of our old TVs, used exclusively for vidya, and it then went bat shit - crackling noises, loudest buzzing sound i've ever heard in my life.
Scared me shitless and made me generally not liking to deal with any household electronics having above 480v somewhere in its circuitry.

[Anonymous No.4823563]

>>4807398
>SEGA's Adventures of Batman & Robin
Good man!

[Anonymous No.4824985]

>>4820216
Yes.

[Anonymous No.4825106]

>>4806771
I have the 46 and can mostly agree. Such a good tv. Try playing Megaman on it though.

[Anonymous No.4825142]

>>4820216
If you want to play on a modern display using component and/or VGA it's a pretty good investment.

[Anonymous No.4825272]

>>4823563
It's a fantastic game but I still need to beat it. I've made it to the final level but didn't figure out the robot patterns on Freeze's stage before running out of continues. Mad Hatter has to be one of the coolest 16-bit bosses out there though.