Shining Force

[Anonymous No.4805990]

The highlight of shining force, for me, is the simple straight-forward combat system combined with the all-star cast you recruit. I really love how many of them you can bring into battle with you as well, and how they all have their strengths and weaknesses.

[Anonymous No.4805995]

Also I really want to fuck that centaur

[Anonymous No.4806012]

>>4805995
There's a lot of centaurs. Why are there so many centaurs?
I feel like Shining Force 2 took a step back in some regards. I do enjoy just playing the game, but random battles are pretty annoying. And the open world aspect isn't doing much for me. I have yet to finish the game though

[Anonymous No.4806106]

>>4806012

theres no random battles in force 2, theres some you can replay for experience which can be a little annoying if youre walking around and forget and trigger the battle, but thats it.

[Anonymous No.4806110]

I could never get over the inventory system in those games. There's no storage, so you're limited to the 3? slots each character has. I wanted to keep stat items and stuff till later but was forced to use them.

[Anonymous No.4806229]

>>4806110
There's no reason to hoard stat itemd till later.

[Anonymous No.4806232]

>>4806229
The one that increases movement speed gets wasted if you use it before promoting.

[noko No.4808137]

Just started this game for the first time. I'm dumb at tactical JRPGs so I want to make it easier without cheating. When do you first get to an area where you can grind easy battles, and does it take long to make heroes OP?

>mfw I'm having fun but then a hero dies and I feel compelled to restart the fight

[Anonymous No.4808142]

>>4808137
You use the spell Egress on your main unit, the hero, if you want to grind. There's a set number of battles in the game.

[noko No.4808146]

>>4808142
So if I kill every enemy but one then select "egress," I keep all of the XP and level ups I've gained but all the baddies come back so I can kill them again? And does my HP/MP regen?

[Anonymous No.4808179]

>>4808146
Not all of them, leave at least one alive so you can cast the spell and come back to the battle restarted.

[Anonymous No.4808202]

>>4808137
>>4808146
You can easily beat it without using the Egress spell. Most people who played back in the day never noticed this exploit.

[Anonymous No.4808225]

>>4808137
SHF is easy already as it is, i recommend to just play it organically

[Anonymous No.4808575]

>>4808137
you dudes being op heavily depends on who they are, as some members are simply better than others but the real way to be OP is to hold off promoting to your second class as long as possible

[Anonymous No.4808628]

>>4808575
>the real way to be OP is to hold off promoting to your second class as long as possible
This is the most stupid thing anyone could do in this game.
Promoting your characters at level 20 will cause a massive stats drop, all your characters will die in 1-2 hits, characters that can't wield weapons will become painfuly weak, mages will run out of MP halfway through the battle, it will halt your progress for hours because of how much you will have to grind to catch up with the enemies.
And at the end of the day, there's not even a reason to do that. Are you power playing it? Are you trying to maximize all stats? You won't. You won't ever reach level 99, if you want some extra stats, do yourself a favor and get more post-promotion levels instead.

[noko No.4808821]

>>4808628
I'm confused.

Are you saying I should or shouldn't promote characters as soon as I can?

I don't care about maximizing stuff, I just want the game to be easy so I can blast through the story and move on to another game in my backlog.

[Anonymous No.4808962]

>>4808821
Promoting your characters make your stats drop.
The more levels you have, the more significant are those drops.
Promoting at level 10 make those drops manegeable.
Promoting at level 20 will make you too underpowered to the point of the game you will be.
If you want to be overpowered, instead of grinding for levels before promoting, grind for levels after promoting. That's what I'm saying.

[noko No.4809043]

>>4808962
Can a character be promoted more than once or do characters only get one promotion?

[Anonymous No.4809063]

>>4809043
Nigga, just use a guide already.

[Anonymous No.4809385]

>>4809043
Just one. And he's right, waiting to promote is a meme of the worst kind. It's crippling yourself for most of the game to get (maybe) an unnecessary boost later on when you won't need it. Grinding for post promotion levels would certainly be a lot easier and give similar results, not that you'll really need to do that.

[Anonymous No.4809386]

>>4809043
Just one. And he's right, waiting to promote is a meme of the worst kind. It's crippling yourself for most of the game to get (maybe) an unnecessary advantage much later on when you won't even need it. Grinding for post promotion levels would certainly be a lot easier and give similar results, not that you'll really need to do that.

[Anonymous No.4809387]

>>4809386
>>4809385
Thanks, Captcha. Posting the message twice was truly worth clicking on all those cars.

[Anonymous No.4809393]

I can't get into the first one. The story doesn't immediately grip me like the second. I also can't deal with Shining in the Darkness

[Anonymous No.4809669]

>>4805990
Man, SF1 was my absolute favorite when I was a lad, still fun today too.
Domingo is the best.

[Anonymous No.4809889]

>>4809669
Awesome

[Anonymous No.4811462]

Is the turtle with a helmet a good character?

I appreciate that so far he's only taking 1 damage per hit (I'm assuming he has high armor) but he only has 7 HP and his stupid looking helmet bonk attack doesn't seem to do much damage.

[Anonymous No.4811636]

>>4811462
In an extremely limited fashion he is, assuming you handle magic using enemies he will be a good tank and his low hp will increase the amount of exp a healer gets by healing him.

However Kiwi never really stops requiring you to baby sit him and get rid of magic threats first and there is very few fights that don't have something that can use magic to one shot him.

[Anonymous No.4811708]

>>4811636
But that mofo spits fire after promoting and fucking flys. Maybe not worth the grind in terms of payout, but his final form is satisfying to play

[Anonymous No.4811750]

>>4808202
Pretty sure most people did notice it. I know I did and my friend who borrowed my copy and decided to get all his characters promoted on the first battle and destroyed my save battery in the process noticed it.

[Anonymous No.4811784]

I love Princess Elis!

[Anonymous No.4811935]

>>4811784
She's pretty hot, is she in the first or second game?

[Anonymous No.4812328]

>>4806110
The GBA version had a storage box.

Also, a really cool redone soundtrack.

[Anonymous No.4812329]

>>4808628
Huh, so should I seriously just promote at level 10?

[Anonymous No.4812342]

>>4811935
Second game, though for 90% of the game, she's not even a footnote. Preferred Princess Anri myself...

[Anonymous No.4812423]

>>4812329
I don't know what hes talking about but when you promote in SF1 you lose 15ish percent of your stats which might be relevant but most characters will gain more than 15 percent of something in those extra ten levels. Your magic users also gain more levels towards their learned spells if you hold off. This is particularly noticeable with healers who will very quickly out level the rest of your army if you ever redo a battle to level up your dudes who are lagging behind.

Around the time you should be promoting the enemies actually get easier to take into account your promotion stat drop and one of the enemies you encounter gives a disproportionate amount of exp, enough to level your guys to 20 as soon as you encounter it.

[Anonymous No.4812501]

>>4812328
If there's one thing I prefer about the GBA remake, it's the soundtrack. I got sick of the Mega Drive battle theme very quickly.

[Anonymous No.4812573]

>>4812423
>I don't know what hes talking
Sure you don't you fucking retard, have you ever tried doing it yourself?
Do you realize you won't be at the same point of the game if you wait until level 20 before promoting instead of just promoting at level 10?

[Anonymous No.4812585]

>>4812573
have you ever done it? You level to 20 at the boss fight against Balbazak, the Seabats in the fight give you exp right to level 20

[Anonymous No.4812596]

>>4812585
Then you fall back to my first argument.
You are just giving yourself a shitty time, if you're going to grind, do it after promoting and you won't have to halt your progress for hours.

[Anonymous No.4812598]

I learned how to read paying those games as a kid. SF2 is one of the only games I rate 10/10

[Anonymous No.4812989]

>>4808628
My brother said some characters should promote later. Is he just bullshitting me?

[Anonymous No.4813036]

>>4812989
Not him but if you wait until 20 to promote ANY of your characters they will become stronger than they would have been had you promoted them at 10.

However, it's absolutely not necessary to wait until 20 to promote since the game is not that difficult. It's more something you do if you want to pad the game out and see how powerful your characters could possibly get while also getting a little challenge by not promoting when you should have. I have done it at the Kane fight with almost all characters. Also, the advice to grind post-promotion is a little strange since after a certain point you will start getting close to no XP from encounters so you can't continue grinding.

[Anonymous No.4813075]

>>4813036
>Also, the advice to grind post-promotion is a little strange since after a certain point you will start getting close to no XP from encounters so you can't continue grinding.
Sounds like a good point to just pack up and move on to the rest of the game and just go with the flow, I could do that.

[Anonymous No.4813076]

>>4813036
Will I still get the same spells if promoting early vs. promoting late?

[Anonymous No.4813354]

>>4808821
>I don't care about maximizing stuff, I just want the game to be easy so I can blast through the story and move on to another game in my backlog.

>I wanna skip the fun gameplay in order to read the rudimentary story

jesus you imbecile, just watch a fucking lets play and you dont even have to play for yourself, how about that

[Anonymous No.4813658]

>>4813076
As far as when you learn spells promoted level 1 is considered level 11. So you would learn the same spell at level 13 or level 3 promoted.

[Anonymous No.4813769]

>>4813658
>So you would learn the same spell at level 13 or level 3 promoted.
Why does everyone gets this wrong?
Promoted level 1 is the same level you were before promoting.
If you promote at level 10, you will learn at level 4 a spell that you would otherwise learn at level 13.

[Anonymous No.4813813]

>>4808821
>blast through and move on

That's sad, anon. I understand where you're coming from but I hope you are at least exploring and talking to the NPCs a bit.

[Anonymous No.4814768]

I might to another run of SH2 sometime. I always chose Karna at the mansion but I might pick another just for the sake of change. The trouble is that she is very useful.
I might also bench Peter as soon as possible. He is the safety net afterall.

[Anonymous No.4814804]

How good is 2? Shining Force 1 was my first RPG and it's still among my favorites.

[Anonymous No.4814832]

>>4814804
SF2 is usually ranked best or second best Genesis game, together with Phantasy Star IV.
There's a lot of /vr/ contrarians hating on it though.

[Anonymous No.4815004]

how's shining force III?
I couldn't get an emulator to work and I gave up trying. I'm also not going to buy it because it's expensive and in jap.

[Anonymous No.4815039]

>>4814832
That good, huh? Really should give it a try then, does it have the same ancient tech stuff? Love that shtick. I want to play Holy Ark first though.

[Anonymous No.4815841]

>>4814768
Hard to beat master monk upskirt

[Anonymous No.4816164]

>enter caves
>can't see shit
>narrow passage ways that make it so that only two of my units at a time can attack the enemy at a bottleneck, rest of my party has to wait around in the back

I was not a fan of that cave.

[Anonymous No.4816216]

>>4814804
2 is pretty good. It's bigger but it's not a solid experience from beginning to end the way 1 is. The tone is different as well.

[Anonymous No.4816980]

Lads am I crazy or does Shining Force take place in the same universe as Phantasy Star

[Anonymous No.4817037]

>>4806106
Yeah, that. I was just resetting the game cause I hate overleveling myself through a game.

[Anonymous No.4817038]

>>4814768
>I might also bench Peter as soon as possible. He is the safety net afterall.
I never realized that he's the "OP unit to clear shit". Holy shit.

[Anonymous No.4817078]

>>4817038
Peter is the most reliable character in the whole game.
You won't leave him in the caravan because he's too weak during early levels.
You won't leave him in the caravan because you didn't give him the secret promotion class and now he's shit.
You won't leave him in the caravan because you fucked up the running pimentos and his MOV is too low.
You won't leave him in the caravan because you didn't know about the mythril weapons and suddenly everyone is struggling to keep up.

He's basically your second hero.

[Anonymous No.4817114]

>>4808137

It's fairly easy, do yourself a favor and don't grind until you need to at the circus. The game is much more fun if you can resist the temptation to grind. Seriously, even if all your party dies but you, you can still win the battle and they can be resurrected with gold. There's no permadeath and you lose out on a lot of butthole clenching moments if you grind to godlike proportions. All this said, play how you want, but I think grinding kind of spoils the game.

[Anonymous No.4817118]

>>4808962
>Promoting at level 10 make those drops manegeable.
>Promoting at level 20 will make you too underpowered to the point of the game you will be.

To add, in SF2 you have to be level 20 to promote.

[Anonymous No.4817132]

>>4817118
To add in, in SF2 you don't lose stats when promoting, so it doesn't make a difference.

[Anonymous No.4817138]

>>4816216
I see
Anything like the Chaos Breaker or the sci-fi sea castle?

[Anonymous No.4817154]

>>4817138
The Chaos Breaker is in the game, translated as Force Sword for some reason, and there are a few ancient lost technology here and there, but nothing like the first one.

[Anonymous No.4817241]

>>4811462
>Is the turtle with a helmet a good character?

Yes and no. I'll never have a party without him because without spoiling, his promotion is epic. He's basically invulnerable to physical attacks, but his low hp makes powerful magic users a threat. I usually give him whatever items I can to boost hp, but I forget what item does it.

[Anonymous No.4817250]

>>4817241

Shit, forgot, he can also fly once promoted, making him decently mobile.

[Anonymous No.4817319]

>>4817250
He does not fly, his movement just isn't affected by most land types.
Have you ever noticed how archers move in forests much better than other units? Or how centaurs move much worse in mountains?
Kiwi's movement isn't affected, but he still receives the bonus defense from the land, different from flying units.

[Anonymous No.4817342]

>>4817154
>Force Sword
Sounds lame, but at least it's there. Shame there's so much less stuff like the Laser Eye and such though. Is there at least a robot party member? I used Adam even though he needed some babying to get up to usable levels.

[Anonymous No.4817349]

>>4817342
Yes, there's one robot, and he also fires laser at random.
But his movement is awful, and his ATK is just average. If you really want to use him, check a guide so you won't miss the running ring, because that's the only way to make him usable.

[Anonymous No.4817363]

>>4817349
That's exactly what I expected from it if there was a robot, thanks. Adam was practically 20 squares behind when it came to the huge overworld maps covered in mountain terrain.
Does he at least look as cool as Adam does?

[Anonymous No.4817371]

>>4817363
>Does he at least look as cool as Adam does?
No. Zynk is basically a skeleton wearing some rags.

[Anonymous No.4817378]

>>4817371
Aw that sucks, I love the robot designs in SF.

[Anonymous No.4817973]

A "special deal" for a power ring came up, but it was really expensive (almost all of my gold) so I looked up a guide to see if it was worth buying, only to find out that I would have gotten it free after killing a witch except that I missed it due to a full inventory on the hero who got the last hit.

I bought the Power Ring anyway but I feel like I just threw away almost all of my gold by having a full inventory on one hero at one moment. Feels bad man.

Should I grind to get the gold back or do you guys think I'll be fine? I don't want to miss out on weapon upgrades because I can't afford them, but I don't want to restart the game either.

[Anonymous No.4818096]

>>4817973
Don't worry about it. It's fine.

[Anonymous No.4818295]

>>4817973
gold very quickly becomes a non issue if you egress once although coming out of creeds mansion is possibly the only time you will be in a situation where you are running out

[Anonymous No.4818584]

>>4817241
Cheerful bread, I think.

[Anonymous No.4818587]

>>4817973
I always keep one item slot open with all of my characters just for this.

[Anonymous No.4818630]

thoughts on the birdmen?

[Anonymous No.4818812]

>>4818630
They're pretty cool but their volcano god is an asshole.

[Anonymous No.4818816]

>>4818630
If they learned Blast and Attack they would be GOAT

[Anonymous No.4818917]

>>4818630
Don't use them.
Even if the crazy RNG somehow make them strong in SF, there won't be any decent sword for them at the end of the game.
In SF2 they are invariably weak, but having Luke equiped with the power ring is very useful, specially for the fight against the Kraken.

If you're playing SF CD though, go for it. Claude may as well become your most powerful unit.

[Anonymous No.4818918]

>>4818630
They're alright for smashing a boss enemy on a map like the Laser Eye bridge, but overall I didn't use them much at all.

[Anonymous No.4818939]

Favorite Team go!
>Gort
>Luke
>Zylo
>Tao
>Anri
>Domingo
>Ken
>Mushashi

[Anonymous No.4818997]

>>4818917
they have swords but you either have to not use musashi or do the glitch to get more katana's

[Anonymous No.4819013]

>>4818997
No one in their right mind would drop Musashi in favor of a birdman.

[Anonymous No.4819024]

All you need in 2 is Karna and Frayja. Everyone else is deadweight.

[Anonymous No.4819113]

>>4818939
I used the exact same team except one of them was Diane.

[Anonymous No.4819226]

>>4818812
I meant more as a playable unit but I do them them as a concept and they have a good design.
>>4818917
>>4818918
>>4818816
I was thinking that myself, they can fly and equip swords but they tend to be weak.
I think the times I've used them I had to be careful with them, I would keep them at a distance and when the frontline gets attacked I would have them fly around and attack them from behind. basically trying not to let them hit hit too much.

>>4819024
true, in SF2 their the only healers that can learn aura. I don't like to give up sarah out of some sense of loyalty but there's always the vigor ball for her.

[Anonymous No.4819660]

[Anonymous No.4820401]

>everyone gushing over the megadrive games
>barely anyone mentions the greatest Shining entry of all time, SFIIIp2

as usual, /vr/ has garbage taste

[Anonymous No.4820404]

>>4812329
I remember playing this game at age 10 and doing just that, only to get completely screwed thanks to the stat drop and having Max die all the time, I was always stuck at that circus area. Wish I were a smarter kid.

[Anonymous No.4820407]

>>4820401
Isn't that nip only? Or is there a fantranslation? Tbh I haven't really looked into it.

[Anonymous No.4820428]

>>4820407
Yeah, the JP-only scenarios got fan-translated a while back. Go play them in mednafen if you don't have a real Sega Saturn to play a burnt copy on.

[Anonymous No.4820683]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIS4XraS-kE&list=PLX9R3E_Pz-fbm_YD5Q1nVP2lnLoHOPlCM&index=15
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BN_zH3AXVCU

Zylo, Gort, Luke and to a lesser extend Zuika.
You were fucking awesome and I'm glad I get to be your ally in battles long ago.

[Anonymous No.4820697]

>>4820401
The SFIII trilogy deserves more praise than the rest of the series

[Anonymous No.4820730]

>>4820683
>Zuika
>playing the shitty GBA version

[Anonymous No.4820870]

>>4820730
Kill yourself giggleposter

[Anonymous No.4821574]

bump

[Anonymous No.4821692]

>>4820401
I can't get an emulator to wrok

[Anonymous No.4822007]

Don't mind me, just being the superior *Force game.

[Anonymous No.4823163]

>>4816980
Probably crazy.

What scenario were you thinking of? Shining Force as the future of one of the planets in the Phantasy Star universe?

[Anonymous No.4823856]

Why do they look like children in 2 and CD? Shit's kinda lame.

[Anonymous No.4825347]

.

[Anonymous No.4826130]

>>4812342
The OG Ice Queen.

[Anonymous No.4826134]

>>4815004
SF3 is pretty sweet. They've ironed out most of the emulator issues by now I hear. I've been meaning to go back and finish it, I stopped playing for emulator reasons same as you.

[Anonymous No.4826147]

>>4816980
You're crazy.

There's an official manga that may or may not be canon that has SF taking place on a far future alternate Earth, and another saying it takes place on in a parallel world that is linked to Earth.

It depends on whether you want Dark Dragon to have been defeated by the United States' nuclear arsenal or by a ragtag group of heroes wielding technological and magical weapons alike.

[Anonymous No.4826209]

>>4808137
>>4808142
>>4808146
for what it's worth
i played this on genesis and never knew what the fuck the point of egress is, never thought of this exploit and never grinded once, and beat the game without such xp cheats
difficulty curve was kind of all over the place but at least i didnt have to cheat to beat the game lmao
wanna grind go play something else

[Anonymous No.4826214]

>>4820401
The only reason I bought a Saturn was to play SFIII.
It probably wasn't worth it but I'm really fucking glad I did.

[Anonymous No.4826308]

When does SF1 get challenging? Cleared the first chapter without any deaths at all.

[Anonymous No.4826312]

>>4826308
It's the first chapter, man. You'll be challenged, I'm sure.

[Anonymous No.4826845]

>>4805995
Wrong centaurfu, Anon.

[Anonymous No.4827456]

>>4823856
Its cute.

[Anonymous No.4827882]

>>4823163
Yeah basically. Here's my retarded reasoning.

>dark sol/dark dragon is kind of like dark falz
>both appear every 1000 years to fuck shit up
>medievalish setting with ancient tech kind of like PSIII

[Anonymous No.4828124]

Should I ever use the bird people in the first game?

[Anonymous No.4828412]

>Musashi's initial stats in someone's playthrough
>Musashi's initial stats in my playthrough
This RNG is fucked up.

[Anonymous No.4828417]

>>4828124
I just got the two birb brothers in the first game, using the stronger of the two. Swapped him in place of the dear healer. Was her name Kristi or something? I can't even remember.

Anyways my point is I don't know, I'm curious as well. He seems cool tho.

[Anonymous No.4828425]

>>4811462
Its a joke character,

[Anonymous No.4828432]

>>4828425
You're thinking about Jogurt.

[Anonymous No.4828440]

>>4828432
H yes. The helmet thing caught me off guard.

[Anonymous No.4828854]

>>4823856
'cuz these games were made for children

[Anonymous No.4829248]

>>4828124
birbwarriors are very random, balbaroy is probably the one you want to use.

Stat wise they have good defense and HP but the attack is somewhat low especially without a katana, and with it their damage is consistently about 10 - 15 points lower than your other heavy hitters.

There is only a few maps where having a flying unit is a real advantage and even then you only need one, so its hard to make room for a birb when you could take kokichi or even train up bleu

[Anonymous No.4829348]

>>4829248
>but the attack is somewhat low especially without a katana
This weapon shortage is a pain.
Hey, how about we have 8 lancers in the game, but just one single good spear?

[Anonymous No.4829363]

>>4826308
SF 1 isn't really that challenging unless you make it challenging. That said, it has its moments if you don't grind.

[Anonymous No.4830062]

>>4820730
The GBA version is actually pretty good.

[Anonymous No.4830117]

>>4830062
It ruined Domingo's character, though.

[Anonymous No.4831409]

noko

[Anonymous No.4832401]

>tfw beating the first game without promoting any of my units

[Anonymous No.4833292]

>>4830117
who?

[Anonymous No.4833321]

>>4832401
But why?

[Anonymous No.4833585]

>>4820730
>>4830062
I've never played the GBA version, the art style looks bad to me. There are no outlines and the colours look washed out.

They also changed the perspective of the map. Instead of a top-down view it's slightly at an angle so the character sprites block each other. That's looks like something that would annoy me.

[Anonymous No.4833604]

>>4833585
I assume you're emulating it?
Washed out like most GBA games to compensate for the dark screen.

[Anonymous No.4834810]

Claim your waifu

[Anonymous No.4834821]

>>4834810
fuck you
I guess I'll take Diane

[Anonymous No.4835027]

>>4815004
Masterpiece, my favorite of the three tactical shining games, and I love the others too. Has the most difficult battles of the series, requires decent tactical thinking. Also love the 3Dish silicon aesthetic of SFIII and STHA, not that the Genesis games aren't pretty either.

[Anonymous No.4835790]

>>4834810
Would it be furry to claim Khris? Asking for a friend.

[Anonymous No.4836098]

>>4834810

[Anonymous No.4836361]

>marries princess he barely met instead of hot childhood friend who fought right beside him over many battles

was he actually a sociopath?

[Anonymous No.4836436]

>>4836361
yes
this was the first time I got mad at a video game, fuck him

[Anonymous No.4836446]

>>4836361
princess has coin

[Anonymous No.4836457]

>>4836361
>childhood friend
Now you're just assuming things.

Also stop bumping this goddamn thread, no one has anything to say anymore.
If you want a SF discussion just wait one week and make a new one.

[Anonymous No.4836461]

>>4826147
I remember years and years ago someone back at the Shining Force Central working on both that manga and the Shining In The Darkness one.
Did that ever go anywhere?

[Anonymous No.4836467]

>>4836457
Fuck, you.

[Anonymous No.4836470]

>>4836457
bump, just to be contrarian

[Anonymous No.4836472]

>>4805995
>>4826845
Back to /mlp/ with you two.

Sylvia is the best Shining centaur anyway

[Anonymous No.4836475]

>>4836470
based.

[Anonymous No.4836984]

>>4836472
I disagree.

[Anonymous No.4837712]

>first actual hard fight is the final battle of chapter 6

why does this game take so long to get interesting

also fuck mishaela

[Anonymous No.4838050]

pointless thought but if the shining force sub-series carried on it would've been interesting to change class. The games have different races so it could be interesting to have combinations.

for example you have elves, humans, centaurs, dwarfs, birdmen
and each one could be a knight, mage, priest, archer. etc.

you could play around, try out a centaur priest or birdman archer.

I do remember some of the FE games did this but the downside is that I didn't want to spend extra time re-leveling up a character for a different class.

[Anonymous No.4838513]

>>4838050
A birdman mage would be OP. Goes anywhere and does a good amount of damage to multiple enemies.

[Anonymous No.4839158]

I will always be mad about the wasted character transfer in SF3. You never get to setup a cool mixed team when everyone reunites in the final SF3 scenario. Just one shitty battle with each group on separate maps. Hell, they couldn't even bother having all three MCs in the final battle.

[Anonymous No.4839185]

So I beat the game today, are Musashi and Domingo supposed to carry your team? Cuz all my other dudes besides Guntz and Mae were extremely weak. Was I supposed to grind more or something?

[Anonymous No.4839224]

>>4839185
Musashi and Domingo are two of the most useful units in the game so yeah that's fine. I never used Mae though.

[Anonymous No.4839342]

>>4838513
I imagine the stats/items could be a balancing factor.
you could make a birdman mage for example but birdmen might have a naturally lower MP

[Anonymous No.4840148]

.

[Anonymous No.4840162]

>>4840148
based.

[Anonymous No.4840385]

>>4840162
what did anon post?

[Anonymous No.4840431]

>>4840385
cp

[Anonymous No.4840441]

>>4840431
I just typed shining force porn into google just to see what comes up.

[Anonymous No.4840464]

>>4823856
Different artist. It's Yoshitaka Tamaki in Shining Force and Shining in the Darkness and it's Masayuki Hashimoto in Shining Force 2. Look up FEDA: Emblem of Justice for more sick Shining Force 1-esque character designs.

[Anonymous No.4840465]

>>4839158
Try the bonus disc. You can mix and match your team and go through a series of battles. One of which is a battle against the Kraken from SF2

[Anonymous No.4840475]

I wonder how much it would cost to license the Shining Force franchise. I have a couple hundred thousand dollars saved up and would like to make a remake of 1. Been thinking about it a lot recently, not sure how to go about it.

[Anonymous No.4841050]

So I love to death SF 1 and 2, and also RotDD.

After about 20 years of knowing the series, I'm playing Shining Force CD for the first time. Any tips?

[Anonymous No.4841406]

>>4840464
after getting into SH I decided to give FE a shot. I played FE:Shadow Dragon (The DS remake). It was good but it was grimmer in tone and had gameplay mechanics I wasn't keen on. It was a remake of the first game so I take it had to be basic to stay true.

just looking at this sheet is peaking my interest.

>>4841050
I tried CD myself. I emulated it and when I finished book 1 it wouldn't let me start book 2 until I deleted some part of a save file or something. I wondered if that would still enable me to play books 3 and 4 but it always crashed at the same place so I abandoned that.

[Anonymous No.4841717]

>>4840464
>>4841406
p.s. I just realized it's not a fire emblem game.

[Anonymous No.4841758]

>>4840475
If Sonic Mania is anything to go by, just do it and hope that SEGA buys it

[Anonymous No.4842502]

>>4841050
Yeah, play Final Conflict right after.

[Anonymous No.4843374]

>>4820683
>>4820730
Wait, there's a GBA remake of Shining Force I? Why am I just learning this?

[Anonymous No.4845257]

>>4843374
You were better off without that knowledge. FORGET.

[Anonymous No.4846054]

>>4806110
Excellent post. I'm playing SF for the first time right now and the inventory is garbage. Every item from a chest autoassigns into the MCs slots, and there are rooms where you get like 5 items.

[Anonymous No.4846175]

Bolt 4 is fucking shit, fuck you Alef.
Freeze is such a nice upgrade from Blaze. It has a better range, it hits harder, and it only costs 10 MP, 2 more than Blaze.
Then it comes Bolt. Same range, slightly stronger, 20 MP. 20 fucking magic points.
While Tao and Anri may sometimes run out of MP before the end of the battle, Alef will always run out of MP halfway through the battle.

At least Bolt 1-3 had a ridiculously huge affect to justify the cost. Bolt 4 hits only one enemy. Whoever came up with this did not think straight.

[Anonymous No.4847253]

>>4843374
It gets a bad rap, but its still an enjoyable shinning force game, plus even though the new characters are op you don't have to use them if you don't want to.

[Anonymous No.4848941]

.

[Anonymous No.4849561]

>>4846175
Alef is a pretty bad mage. Worst mage probably. Shame, I think she adds some diversity to the cast, being the only furry and all, but she's not worth leveling at all, or even using over any of your other glorious units

[Anonymous No.4849564]

Also thanks for keeping my thread alive for so long you guys. I'm really happy there's so many people that enjoy Shining force as much as I do.

[Anonymous No.4849567]

>>4840464
Oh my god, this man has done fantastic work. Landstalkers, Alundra, Shining soul... Very good artist.

[Anonymous No.4849684]

>>4836457
Dickhead.

[Anonymous No.4849686]

>>4845257
No bully.

[Anonymous No.4849908]

there's not many other fantasy series' that have centaurs as a race.
obviously done to have another way to have cavalry units.

[Anonymous No.4850392]

>>4849684
Did you got a warning for bumping this thread by posting dots?

[Anonymous No.4851296]

any thoughts on the battle royale romhack

[Anonymous No.4851513]

>>4851296
the WHAT

[Anonymous No.4851524]

>>4849564
It was nice to see a Shining Force thread up

[Anonymous No.4851940]

>>4846175
This statement is true.
Alef is by far the weakest mage in all of Shining forces.

[Anonymous No.4851965]

>>4845257
>hating on RotDD

I like:
-the balance changes
-the new characters
-having the sugoi mizugi for 2 characters, daring dress, and maid outfit for khris
-that Max actually talks
-expanded story
-remixed music, especially headquarters
-card collecting
-the character dialogs at the headquarters
-some semblance of a new game+

What's so wrong about it that everyone keeps complaining about the remake?

[Anonymous No.4852509]

>>4851513
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqHudAlZTms
its a rom hack where you pick your own team and then play a series of battles. It's like a game-mode that could've been in the series.

[Anonymous No.4853003]

>>4852509

[Anonymous No.4853541]

so lots of old players say they got stuck in SF2, not a battle or anything. It's the puzzle that involved using a piece of wood.

[Anonymous No.4853548]

>>4853541
I remember getting stuck in the jail in SF1 and thinking that was the end of the game, I wasn't a bright kid.

[Anonymous No.4853572]

>>4853541
I got stuck at the kraken fight and I remember thinking "am I even supposed to go this way?" and fucking off and finding that sword before realizing that I did indeed have to go that way

[Anonymous No.4853781]

reminder of SF2's chess battle on desktop kingdom.
last time I tried to take out all the enemy units but the king does eventually become aggressive. you can't help but take him out.

[Anonymous No.4854098]

>>4852509
>let me plug my poofter Youtube channel instead of just linking the patch like a decent person would

[Anonymous No.4854492]

>>4854098
not my channel. I just linked the first video I saw as an example. i wouldn't know what to link desu, there's a steam page.

[Anonymous No.4855324]

>>4853541
I was one of them.

[Anonymous No.4855394]

>find out you game over when hero dies
>keep hero in the back, never use him
>everything's going great
>Taros happens
anyone else do this as a kid? the upside was that once I got him leveled, I found out he's actually pretty strong and kept using him for the rest of the game.

[Anonymous No.4855442]

>>4855394
no but I didn't play SH2 as a kid.
I bought the genesis collection for the ps3 because of streets of rage, golden axe, sonic etc. I gave the other games a try and discovered the SH series. speaking of which they've released a very similar collection for current consoles but it doesn't seem to do enough differently to warrant a buy.

[Anonymous No.4855934]

>>4855394
I did the same in SF3 as a kid.
Got stuck in that Synbios+Dantares Vs the World battle for months.

[Anonymous No.4856556]

>>4855394
My hero unit always ends up being the strongest member of my party in this sort of game.

Except Tactics Ogre. The hero is a chump in that game.

[Anonymous No.4856734]

anyone did or heard of or did self imposed conditions to play the these games?
for example:
>solo runs
>six member party
>no promoting
>not using specific units (like Peter)
>or just giving the ouch! difficulty a try

[Anonymous No.4856915]

>>4856734
iirc, the Ouch! difficulty is actually easier than the Super difficulty immediately below it, because Super significantly increases the enemy's stats, but Ouch! just changes their AI behavior.

[Anonymous No.4857442]

>>4856734
I've done weak character play throughs.

[Anonymous No.4858524]

>>4853781
Ah yes. The Chess battle.
That's the only battle that I actually lost.
>>4855394
Should have been using the leader at the start. otherwise you gonna have a rough time beating the game.

[Anonymous No.4858616]

>>4850392
No.

[Anonymous No.4859790]

>>4834810
>Never managed to find her or Anri's swimsuit

[Anonymous No.4859875]

>>4859790
Just look it up...

[Anonymous No.4860614]

>>4859790
Chapter 3
>Tao's Suit
After the Quarry fight, Check the cave walls on the bottom left screen, near entrance
>Anri's Suit
During the Laser Eye Battle, Sitting next to the 3 snipers. The Sniper on the left to be precised

[Anonymous No.4862641]

>>4859875
>>4860614

Every playthrough I keep forgetting.

[Anonymous No.4862907]

Playing Shining Force for the first time. Any tips and tricks?

[Anonymous No.4862998]

>>4862907
do not replace luke or gort
talk to everybody in town if you don't like missing out on stuff, you can permanently miss out on over a 3rd of your dudes otherwise

[Anonymous No.4863005]

>>4862907
please read this
>>4818939

[Anonymous No.4863317]

>>4862907
https://sf2.shiningforcecentral.com/guide/tactics-strategies/

this is a site for SH2 but most of the tips here would be applicable for SH1 as well.
I made an image the tactical ones to post here to highlight some of the tactical elements.

[Anonymous No.4863382]

shouldn't sorcerers be called summoners instead?
was that a mistranslation or were they going for the idea that some magic users call upon higher powers. Which in western RPGs we would connect with the term warlock.

[Anonymous No.4863560]

>>4812573
Dude obviously comes from FE background. It's common thing to wait till lvl 20 so you get enough stat up before premote. Alot of FE fags don't comprehend that Shinning force is a different beast.

[Anonymous No.4864354]

Anyone wanna talk about legend of syro? Interesting fangame.

[Anonymous No.4864858]

>>4834810
KHRIS!

>>4835790
>being this hesitate
You don't deserve her.

[Anonymous No.4864878]

>>4863382
They should, and it's called ソーサラー in the original version which translates to Sorcerer so it's not a mistranslation.

[Anonymous No.4864986]

>>4864878
I put that word in translate out of curiosity, it's pronounced Sōsarā. It's the same word that got imported to the far east.

so no room for misinterpretation, It does mean sorcerer.

>>4864354
forgot about that. It looks like there's only a demo so far. I want to give it a try desu.

[Anonymous No.4865619]

>>4864858
UUUUUUUUUUUUUUh that's my wife. I'm gonna have to murder you if you disrespect me like that again.
>>4864986
It's pretty good control wise. 10x better then any shinning force game to boot and a nice story for just a demo. I look forward to progress but man what I really want is mouse and keyboard controls. SRPG go hand and hand with mouse and keyboard and I can't go back after playing a few with it.

[Anonymous No.4865630]

Here's a screenshot I took in 2006 on the GENS emulator. Slade is too good.

[Anonymous No.4865642]

>>4865630
>Gisarme
nice
it occurs to me that I always try and have bowie land the finishing blow on Zeon because he's the hero and all but it might be more appropriate to let shade do it. He was the one that sets everything in motion.

[Anonymous No.4866960]

bump

[Anonymous No.4867609]

is it me or do centaurs seem more fragile than they should be?

[Anonymous No.4867754]

>>4834810
Karna

[Anonymous No.4868883]

>>4867609
Well, you do have to consider they are like a giant target board compare to literally all other races.

[Anonymous No.4869847]

i swear I remember a rom hack with astral playable but I can't remember where I saw it.

[Anonymous No.4869856]

>>4859790
>tfw found Tao's as a lad but never Anri's
I should replay these now that the info is readily available.

[Anonymous No.4870207]

>>4869847
Chances are that, if it exists, it's on the Shining Force Central.

[Anonymous No.4870241]

>>4870207
I looked on their afterwards.
I got interested in SF2-milestone edition, aversion that allows the player to choose their own party of 12 at the start. It also has harder enemies. I've downloaded it for future play.

[Anonymous No.4870806]

>>4805990
I haven't played this series in years. All I remember is loads of characters and FUCKING YOGURT YOU USELESS FUCK

[Anonymous No.4870838]

wtf this game was my first introduction to a turn-based grid-style battle system and I fucking fell in love with it, but never got to play the whole thing.

Friend was the one who owned the Genesis and he moved away soon after he introduced me to it.

Fuck you, Russel :(

[Anonymous No.4870987]

>>4870838
https://store.steampowered.com/search/?snr=1_4_4__12&term=shining+force
https://store.steampowered.com/app/71160/Shining_Force_II/
Get them both for Steam,

[Anonymous No.4871998]

been looking at the rom hacks and I'm wondering If I could introduce a necromancer as a fan-made class. It would easy to alter the priest/vicar class via the hacks tools.

Give them Heal, Desoul and maybe Blast as an offensive spell
or perhaps give them one of the summons and reinvent it as summoning spirits or zombies etc.

It would be good if this character could turn an undead enemy unit or even spawn one at will but that sounds too advanced for me.

[Anonymous No.4872000]

>>4805995
SAME

also fuck shining force 1 and character who never gained any stats at level up making them useless

[Anonymous No.4872003]

>>4870987
fuck off drm shill.

>>4870838
emulate them

[Anonymous No.4872287]

you see it too don't you? I'm not being a DBZtard.

[Anonymous No.4873258]

>>4870838
I was introduced to it via the Sega Smash pack.

[Anonymous No.4875138]

.

[Anonymous No.4875510]

Is there a way to cast lower level spells aftert hey "improve"? Heal 4 seems to be particularly useless.

[Anonymous No.4875594]

>>4875510
When you pick the spell to use(you get the red outline over it), press left or right to increase or decrease its power.

[Anonymous No.4876684]

I'm on the first level of chapter 2 in 1 and I keep fucking dying every time I get the MC into the Frey at the end with the zombies. They do a lot more damage then I was expecting.

[Anonymous No.4876767]

>>4876684
zombies are weak to fire if that helps.

or maybe take a look at this.
>>4863317

[Anonymous No.4876775]

>>4876767
Yeah but that sands fucks everything up. plus I gotta keep everyone in formation disperse so the fire mages don't cook em alive with fire 2. The best dude to tank that shit is ken with his 24 hp lvl 6 but fuck this desert makes everything worse. I can't move my dudes anywhere and by time I get that elf slut tao over to burn the zombies my MC taking massive damage. It's my fault but god fuck this desert I hope I never play on it again.

[Anonymous No.4877751]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hxRoyGv_ag

You think after 100+ battles, this theme will get on your nerves, but I don't mind it.

[Anonymous No.4877876]

>>4876775
might be too late but I can only think to recommend to keep you units close at all times, moving each one just a square or two. Then perhaps breaking away when one can attack the mages or just taking the hit.

[Anonymous No.4879087]

>>4834810
Mae is bae.

[Anonymous No.4879112]

Muddle, Slow, Desoul, Slow, Dispel

How do you feel about these spells? I tend to avoid using them. My line of thinking is why waste a turn trying a debuff that might not work when you can use that turn to possibly kill a unit. I have heard from other people on forums that say on the higher difficulties they become more useful. I can see that because the hardier enemies make sweeping is less of an option.

Desoul obviously sounds the most useful but like all death spells it's too unreliable to rely on. I remember one playthrough of SH2 I didn't promote Kazin to Sorcerer and I tried using it more often. It became somewhat more effective than I thought. It does help to target multiple enemies of course.

Also I'm not sure on the chances of Desoul working. I can't seem to find an answer.

[Anonymous No.4879976]

bump

[Anonymous No.4879986]

>>4879087
Fuck, you'll never need a letter opener with that fucking chin.

[Anonymous No.4882215]

>>4805990
Is Domingo a flumph?

[Anonymous No.4882674]

>>4882215
I can't be sure but early JRPG's did borrow heavily from western pencil-paper RPGs, so it's not impossible.

[Anonymous No.4883771]

bump
quite a few these posts have bee mine, just seeing If I can keep it going.

[Anonymous No.4883809]

>>4883771
I like Shining anon, I leave the thread open but I just forgot for a while.
>tfw never got Jogurt when I was a kid
Dunno if they left it out of Sega Smash Pack 2. Could never afford the cart for my actual Genesis.
I'm having severe issues with the captcha.

[Anonymous No.4885547]

>>4883809
Speaking of Jogurt, what is he? A hamster or a gopher?

[Anonymous No.4885569]

>>4885547
I believe he's made to look more like a hamster.
He's apparently an alien anyway from what I've heard so idk. Most amusing joke character I've seen in a TRPG.

[Anonymous No.4886457]

>>4836461
The SitD manga was translated completely. It shed some interesting light on the difference between what was planned for SF2 and what actually ended up happening.

The SF1 manga was partially translated, then the translator vanished.

The SF Character/World books were mostly translated as well before the vanishing.

[Anonymous No.4886459]

>>4851965
People hate Mawlock, and a lot of story additions conflicted with what people assumed/thought was going on DESPITE it being truer to the original translations/supplemental material.

It's not bad honestly, just ignore Cardman and Bug. Use Narsha if you want to break the game even harder.

[Anonymous No.4886702]

>>4851965
I liked it too. I also prefer the updated graphics over the original ones.

[Anonymous No.4886763]

Recently I started playing Shining the Holy Ark for the first time. It really is very similar to SitD. I really like it with a couple complaints:
>Comfy OST but the generic dungeon track used in some dungeons does get repetitive at times
>Oddly nice-to-look-at Saturn tier low-poly graphics, very pleasing colour pallette
>Animations are nice, but some of the spells take way too long to finish leading to moments in combat that kinda irritate you
>Writing and story so far seems decent even if it's very samey-fantasy. But I do like my samey-fantasy
>Interesting map design for some of the dungeons, e.g. that underground dungeon/sewer beneath the castle had interesting multi-tiered design like 'half-floors'
I will say that at this point the combat's a bit too simple for my liking. Not a lot of strategising to do. But I guess that'll improve later on when you get more characters and monster variety. The lack of customisation beyond equipment is also very SitD-like, though I was hoping they'd introduce some more and make it a wee bit more complex/flexible. But I guess that's the kind of RPG they were shooting for, so I can't really complain.

All in all I really enjoy it, it's just that there are a couple moments that kinda felt like it dragged on. Like some of the dungeons are a bit too big for what it contains, and like I previously mentioned the long animations combined with the kinda high encounter rate does prolong the time you spend in a single dungeon.

[Anonymous No.4887691]

>>4805990
bump

[Anonymous No.4888778]

[Anonymous No.4888798]

>>4806012
>Why are there so many centaurs?
They are your filler characters. They have good MP, can do melee of short ranged attacks. Most don't excel in any particular way.

>>4814768
This is the way to go after breezing through. Eric and Randolph, while good are nothing that you can't get out of Higgins and Lemon. The Wizard does fine, but you will end up casting Freeze 4 all of the end game.

[Anonymous No.4888840]

>>4879112
I feel the same way. Too unreliable when you can just do damage

[Anonymous No.4889125]

>>4805995
my wife

[Anonymous No.4889134]

I hate how they reused names from game to game. Why are there so many Erics? And for fuck's sake, why did they rename Hanzou to Higins in Shining Force CD?

[Anonymous No.4889198]

>>4836361
>childhood girl gets cuckquenned
ENOUGH

[Anonymous No.4889212]

>>4836361
>>4889198
jaha wanted to kiss the princess but kazin suggested it should be a human.
I don't their society approves of race-mixing.

>>4805995
speaking of which he must be a confident guy to think he can satisfy a centaur.

[Anonymous No.4889213]

>>4852509
fuck you
http://www.mediafire.com/file/m3mdrtwnbr8qyrz/Shining+Force+2+Battle+Royale.bin

[Anonymous No.4889225]

>>4889213
hey, I didn't know that link existed

[Anonymous No.4889591]

With how well fire emblem has done and become over on the west I'm surprised Sega hasn't tried to revitalize the series.

[Anonymous No.4889594]

The turn based tactical side ones, not something like resonance refrain what ever.

[Anonymous No.4889656]

>>4889591
The anime style of JRPGs seems to be working for them.
There could be room for a throwback to the tactical stuff but it doesn't seem popular enough.

I'm not sure if you know about the sonic series but we really were lucky to have something like sonic mania.

[Anonymous No.4889661]

>>4889591
>>4889594
I think for Japanese-centric franchises like Shining, SEGA of Japan's attitude is still 'what the local gamers want'. Both the Shenmue remasters and Sakura Wars revival came about as a result of that poll SEGA did which had no translated version despite being accessible internationally. Good news is Shining Force came really damn high in that poll; it was in the top 10 iirc. So there's a sliver of hope there.

[Anonymous No.4890049]

>>4889591
they can always do some sort of R-type of game like Konami is doing

[Anonymous No.4891612]

>>4889591
About 10 years ago, the people on ShiningForceCentral decided to run this internet campaign to get people to make videos and art about how much they loved the original Shining Force games. Hundreds of people made videos, art, music and letters just gushing over the game, talking about how much it meant to them and how much they loved it. Then they sent this huge package full of all this stuff to Hiroyuki Takahashi, the main guy behind Shining Force.

Unfortunately, it got there on April 1st and he thought it was a prank mocking the series. He vowed never again to make a Shining Force game.

This actually happened.

[Anonymous No.4891619]

>>4891612
Proof!

[Anonymous No.4891626]

>>4891612
lol what
http://nichegamer.com/2017/11/18/camelot-boss-wants-to-make-shining-force-iv/

[Anonymous No.4891827]

>>4891626
Different anon, but oh shit that's hella cool. Gives me hope for SF4. SEGA's been really excellent for the past couple years (localising Yakuza, reviving Sakura Wars, new Valkyria, Sonic Mania, etc.) so I'm absolutely hopeful for a new one. Hopefully we get that old artist back, Kajiyama or something.

[Anonymous No.4892498]

>>4891626
>Camelot
>Shining Force IV
>4!

Oh fuck yeah. Get the original III artist and I'm sold.
Dude improved a lot since the old days. Check out his manga, Curse Blood.

I'm not a fan of Tony Taka. At all.

[Anonymous No.4893049]

>>4889212
You say that, but just look at her HP and DEF.

[Anonymous No.4893256]

>>4889212
>I don't their society approves of race-mixing

>shining force 1
>mae apparently likes max
>max likely knew this and faked his own death to get away from her

[Anonymous No.4893914]

>>4893256
Horse pussy isn't for everyone.

[Anonymous No.4894514]

Shining in the Darkness was fun, simple, and comfy.

[Anonymous No.4896382]

noko

[Anonymous No.4896942]

Played some more of Shining the Holy Ark (I'm >>4886763). Reached the South Shrine, and I must say, I absolutely adore the puzzles in that particular dungeon. So well done. In particular that topsy-turvy floor-ceiling switcheroo bit. Exquisite. Wonderful. Made me think real good and I like that in an RPG. Helps that that place has a lower encounter rate compared to other dungeons, so monsters don't really bother me as much. I'm starting to see why some folks say this is one of the SEGA's better RPG. I'll admit the middle bit with the mountain cave got kinda boring, but it's made up for it with the South Shrine. So good. Looking forward to the rest.

[Anonymous No.4897738]

I wish there were more of this style of TRPG. It's nice to have towns and such.

[Anonymous No.4897762]

>>4897738
Arc the Lad Collection, man.
Severily underrated JRPG series.

[Anonymous No.4897772]

>>4897762
Huh, I vaguely recall seeing an ad for that in a magazine a long time ago. I'll give it a look, didn't even know it was a TRPG. Thanks anon.

[Anonymous No.4898140]

>>4891612
Are you serious? I was part of that, was wondering how come we never got a response.

[Anonymous No.4898654]

>>4898140
Yeah. I wish I could find proof but it's buried somewhere on the Shining Force Central forums and you're not allowed to talk about it. Glad he's thinking about making a new game though.

Pretty sad but also kind of hilarious desu.

[Anonymous No.4898727]

>>4898654
What I heard was slightly different. The SOS campaign angered not the Takahashi brothers of Camelot, but instead it was someone at SEGA, like an executive producer. And another reason he was pissed off was because the insinuation to "Save Our Series" implied the newer games were trash compared to the old ones. Which obviously angered that SEGA fellow since he supervised those new ones. There was this really good and long YouTube video which chronicled the multiple SOS campaigns and their aftermath. Can't find it now, maybe it's been removed. Also don't forget that stupid DMCA takedowns following Shining Ark's release (iirc).

[Anonymous No.4898781]

Continuing on from >>4896942, I've reached the East (i.e. final) Shrine. West Shrine was overall shorter and easier than South, but I enjoyed it regardless. Unfortunately the puzzles weren't as good. Just a simple case of finding Turtle Snacks and helping them navigate in the last bit. Far less satisfying than South's. I did like the buildup to the dungeon boss though; fighting off its tentacles as you cross bridges and piers. I will repeat my earlier conplaint that some battle animations (especially spells) take waaay too long. Should SEGA ever remaster this game those animations need to be sped up or reworked.