/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.4801568]

Who decided to add random references to Tolkien lore in Symphony of the Night? Did the Japanese version have some of that?

[Anonymous No.4801572]

The Japanese version did have some Tolkien names, and oddly enough, some of them were changed for the US, and others were added.

[Anonymous No.4801615]

>>4801572
>made up bible quotes in translation
>maria sounds like a whiny kid instead of a classy vampire hunter who got her shit together
>shitty voice acting
>not even properly implemented
>cut content
>"karasuman" (karasu means crow)
The US version (both of them really, either PS or PSP) suck so much in general. For all the mistakes Konami made on the GBA/DS games (Kali > Curly, mangled subject-verb translations especially for Barlowe's description in OoE) at least they have the credit to have tried a sensible translation. In SOTN the translator was too lazy to research the proper spellings for all of that demonology mythos lore so he made shit up outta his ass.

[Anonymous No.4801646]

>>4801615
Which is better though? The original PS1 version or the unlockable version in Dracula X Chronicles?

[Anonymous No.4801679]

>>4801568
Curry Rice isn't "Tolkien lore". It's the real life national dish of his country.

[Anonymous No.4801707]

>>4801646
Take the PS1 version, it went through the poor localization process >>4801615 is talking about, right? Now, picture the localized PS1 version as the new source material, and some other guy who has the same concept of localization as the first translator, is in charge of the PSP re-translation. What you get is basically 2 layers of localization, which I think is a first in any electronic media.

But hey, at least you can put the Japanese audio and you have two other games.

[Anonymous No.4801728]

>>4801615
>maria sounds like a whiny kid
What? Maria sounded like a 30 year old British noblewoman rather than a 16 year old girl.

[Anonymous No.4801753]

>>4801646
Just play the original source material. You're not gonna lose any sleep over a few minutes of VAs, and if you're curious you can move onto DXC to see the new stuff.

[Anonymous No.4801951]

>>4801615
Die moster! You don't belong in this world!

SotN's translation is fine in my books.

[Anonymous No.4801992]

>>4801707
I've never plaued the PSP version, did they change the VA work? Don't tell me they took out WHAT IS A MAN?

[Anonymous No.4802008]

>>4801615
>The US version (both of them really, either PS or PSP)
Nope, the PSP version is far better

[Anonymous No.4802419]

>>4802008
you're gay

[Anonymous No.4802430]

>>4801615
>maria sounds like a whiny kid instead of a classy vampire hunter who got her shit together
She's literally just 17 years old in SotN. And where are you even getting whiny from? She sounds so monotonous.

[Anonymous No.4802435]

>>4801992
The scene plays out differently (and is still wrong), but that line was kept in. I think it was:

"What is a man!? A cesspool of hatred and lies!"

[Anonymous No.4802439]

>>4801992

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4-aFrKoL-I

[Anonymous No.4802441]

>>4802419
This couldn't be further from the truth. Us gays generally prefer the hammy dialogue of the original.

[Anonymous No.4802443]

>>4801646
The PSP version is better, it doesn't matter which dub is better, because the PSP lets you opt for original japanese VA and english subs.
Also, PSP ver has some missing content that was on the japanese version on PS1, but was removed from the international releases.
Also, has Maria boss fight and as a playable character (different moveset from the Saturn version though, PSP Maria plays like Rondo Maria)

[Anonymous No.4802447]

>>4802441
Don't call the dub the original.

[Anonymous No.4802452]

Does the PSP version have Tolkien references?

[Anonymous No.4802454]

>>4802452
All the names are the same. Legion is also still called "Granfalloon" (a reference to a book by Vonnegut Jr)

[Anonymous No.4802459]

>Dracula speaking Japanese

[Anonymous No.4802463]

>>4802459
>Dracula speaking english
>without romanian/hungarian accent
Honestly, if it isn't Lugosi, I don't bother with english-speaking Draculas. I'll take Wakamoto anyday.

[Anonymous No.4803004]

>>4801646
>>4801992
>>4802008
The PSP version is more of a rewrite of an existing PS1 era localization than anything legit referencing the JP text, except for the few extra lines that were added. It even kept most of the mistakes.
In the end, it neither pleases purists (since it still has little to do with the original JP) nor fans of the awful dub because they want campy dialogue in all games to mock for how shitty it is and then it's supposedly "quality localization".

You can check how they translated the cutscene subtitles in Retro!Rondo in the same collection. That translation is fine but the spelling mistakes are atrocious.

Play it for the extra content if you will.

[Anonymous No.4803813]

>>4802463

[Anonymous No.4804469]

>>4802463

[Anonymous No.4804482]

>>4801646
The fan-translated PS1 version.

[Anonymous No.4804484]

>>4801951
I always forget where that sword is, which sucks since the whole summoning minions was cool.

[Anonymous No.4804485]

I'm interested in this

[Anonymous No.4804519]

>>4804484
In the inverted castle, you need to break a wall next to where the Leap Stone relic was in the normal castle. It's below Dracula's throne room (or above in the inverted castle).

[Anonymous No.4804557]

>>4804482
Is it your typical super dry directly translated variety of fan translation or is it actually good?

[Anonymous No.4804559]

>>4804557
It's actually pretty decent, and of the stuff I've compared to the original JP version, it seems to be very accurate, as well.

[Anonymous No.4804867]

>>4804557
It was fine. Norio Wakamoto voicing Dracula is worth it, fun Japanese voice acting.

[Anonymous No.4806364]

>>4802435
They reused the dialogue for the Dracula X Chronicles scene. The quote was "Ha, mankind! A cesspit of hatred and lies! Fight for them then, and die for their sins!"

[Anonymous No.4806931]

This game (and other IGAvania's) would've been a lot better if they removed all the grinding. Basically if the player can't level up or grind for special rare items, then the designer can properly balance the difficulty curve.

[Anonymous No.4806946]

>>4806931
I've never had to grind in any IGAvania except the two Sorrow games, and that was only because I like using axes. Otherwise there are plenty of excellent swords just laying around

[Anonymous No.4806967]

>>4806946
I mean, even in the hardest IGAvania, Order of Ecclesia, you can cheese bosses in seconds by using certain glyph unions or item combinations. It's impossible to have a balanced difficulty when the player has access to so many items, spells and potential level ups.

[Anonymous No.4806969]

>>4806967
Sorry, I misread your post. I thought you were saying that the grinding was necessary. I agree that it does make the games a little too easy if you don't restrict your playstyle.

[Anonymous No.4806985]

>>4801615
How's the XBLA "Symphony of the Night HD" version?

[Anonymous No.4807057]

>>4806967
>Order of Ecclesia
double Nitesco or double Lapiste for the lulz

[Anonymous No.4807067]

The original SotN dub is unironically pretty good, only Richter is really that bad. Alucard and Dracula's overdramatic performances perfectly fit the faux-Shakespeare writing of the original translation.

[Anonymous No.4808381]

>>4801646
patched ps1 version, search undub

[Anonymous No.4808393]

>>4801646
http://www.romhacking.net/translations/1427/

[Anonymous No.4810231]

super castlevania 4 > SOTN

[Anonymous No.4811637]

>>4807067
This and Yuri Lowenthal should have never been allowed near it.

[Anonymous No.4811651]

>>4810231
I disagree but to each their own. I prefer Rondo Of Blood to Super 4.

[Anonymous No.4812473]

>>4801615
>In SOTN the translator was too lazy
You actually think it was because he was lazy, and not because he was being rushed to finish his job up in less than two months?

[Anonymous No.4812841]

>>4802447
>hurrdurr, translations are completely different games
This always makes me think that people assume that ALL Japanese original games have masterful Shakespearean dialogue and voice-acting.

[Anonymous No.4813426]

>>4806985
It's the PS1 version missing the FMV cutscenes. That's it. It looks fine and has some scaling and filter options.

[Anonymous No.4813429]

>>4804484
I always liked Mormegil better, since it's such a broken fucking weapon.

[Anonymous No.4813595]

>>4801568
people have been arbitrarily inserting tolkien references into games since before you were born

[Anonymous No.4814113]

>>4806931

Honestly thought this was going to be some sort of funny deadpool pic.

[Anonymous No.4814358]

>>4813429
Fuck, not Mormegil, I meant Mourneblade

>High base damage
>heals you for 8hp for every successfully landed hit
>any
>on anything
>even striking a candle, or hitting against an indestructible or blocking entity like the giant spinning skulls
>it'll still heal you for 8hp
>meaning you can just keep spamming it and it'll heal you, undoing any damage you might endure, and you can just keep striking until there's an opportunity to strike for real, or there's a weak spot, or whatever, and this will also heal you
>optionally you can just regain all your health by just slapping the spinning skulls for a minute, and you can progress forward, smashing candles and striking down mooks, and be rewarded HP, not being stopped by a lack of supplies

I love how SoTN is full of stupidly overpowered items like Mourneblade, and also Crissaegrim.
Really makes me wish there was a New Game + with a hard mode. Not just for challenge, but also to find yourself against some enemies and bosses where the stupidly powerful stuff makes them last for longer than just a few seconds.

[Anonymous No.4814360]

>>4810231
I love both of them, but they're so different that I find them hard to compare.