/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.4782680]

Why do a lot of Sonic fans hate Sonic Adventure 2

[Anonymous No.4782686]

Sonic Adventure 2 Battle on the Gamecube was not only my first Sonic game, but also my first video game. I love it.
I think Sonic's first actual bad game was Sonic 2006. Okay, maybe stuff like Sonic Chaos on Game Gear is also pretty bad, but I mean the main big games.

[Anonymous No.4782690]

>>4782680
I thought it was pretty enjoyable but I could see where the frustration comes from. A ton of levels that are not about going fast, grinding your chao garden, the introduction of Mr. Muh Ria, stuff like that.

[Anonymous No.4782716]

>>4782680
I enjoyed it. I know a lot of people get pissy that all stages aren't Sonic/Shadow gotta go fast stages. But if all of them were then the game would be severely shorter. Which I think is why they added the two other game modes: they had to.

The treasure hunting (which I liked) and tank (which I didn't like that much) levels padded it out. They were both different enough and lengthy enough to give the game more hours and get people hyped for the coming sonic/shadow stages, which it severely needed.

Its a cheap way of doing things but personally, I think it worked. Most people seem to like either treasure hunting or the tank stuff. And the sonic/shadow stages were the best 3D stages in the series.

Plus you get to play as Eggman. I mean come the fuck on, that was worth it in and of itself.

Adventure 2 was a tight, well done experience. It was the last good sonic game before it started going shit over and over. People like to point out the "over abundance of furry friends" when that certainly wasnt the issue. Adventure 2 had counterparts which did their job well. Sonic Heroes was the one with way to damned many furry friends and bad level design. After Sonic Heroes we didn't get another good 3D sonic till what? Generations? But Adventure gets the flak that should fall on heroes.

[Anonymous No.4782754]

>>4782716
Rouge is sexy

[Anonymous No.4782769]

>>4782680
they grew up loving the game because it swept them with its aesthetics and chao garden
now that they're older and now see all its many flaws, they feel betrayed
plus its a meme

[Anonymous No.4782774]

>>4782754

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[Anonymous No.4782812]

>>4782690
>>4782716
Sonic and Shadow's gotta go fast bullshit was just as bad. Even if the whole game was just that, SA2 would be a subpar and sloppy glitchy shitfest.
The first one, as broken as it is, actually tried to translate the Sonic level structure to 3D. SA2's speed levels are utterly boring and shallow and that's when they are actually functional

[Anonymous No.4782830]

One-third of the game is the lamest 3D platforming you'll ever see where you collect bullshit and it just feels like trash
One-third of the game has you hold down a button and swivel your joystick a little and then let go of the button. A combo pop-up tells you how much fun you're having every time you do this.
One-third of the game is the reason you're playing it and it's loaded with tons of automatic bits like grinding on rails or sitting through loop-de-loops, or using the jump attack which is somewhat automated, and it's all very robotic.

SA1 wasn't much better.

Give me Utopia already goddammit the 2D Sonic games are too good to not have a worthy 3D adaptation.

[Anonymous No.4782846]

>>4782812
Oh I was not posting that it was a bad change or anything like that. I honestly did enjoy the variety of levels and I had fun with them. I am just saying I do get where other fans are coming from when the series did do a ton of different things that not a lot of people were not all that into.

[Anonymous No.4783364]

>>4782812
Yes but you see

It was fun.

[Anonymous No.4783401]

Welcome to the weekly "validate my opinion on Sonic Adventure games" thread.

[Anonymous No.4783417]

>>4782680
Okay, I'll bite with a serious reply.

This game, like every Sonic game, has the germ of a good idea. When you TALK about Sonic Adventure 2 to someone who hasn't played it, it sounds amazing. Fast-paced, full of action, speed, attitude, good music and nice-ish graphics. What's not to love?

Still, SA2 has a lot of major problems.
- Glitches (too many for a finished game);
- Wacky controls;
- Poor level design;
- HORRIBLE camera;
- Really bad enemy placement;
- Bad arrangement between fast-paced and slow-paced stages;
- Bad story (not that big of a deal for a Sonic game, but it tries too hard to be plot-driven, you can't have bad plot if it's a focus on the game, period);
- The good stages are infested with scripted segments;
- and finally, 2/3 of the game is pure garbage. You HAVE to play as Tails, Knuckles, Rouge and Eggman to finish it, and it's atrocious.

It makes me so confused as to why people think this is one of the best, if not the best, Sonic game, when it clearly isn't. I don't like the heavy criticism the franchise has gone through since, idk, 2006 (and its "revival" with game grumps), but this is NOT a good game. You can have fun with it, sure. The Sonic and Shadow stages aren't bad at all, they have some flaws, mainly the camera and controls and the scripted things, but when you get to REALLY play it and take control of the game, it's great (Metal Harbor would be the best example). But that's less than one third of the ENTIRE GAME.

Probably the best part about this mess isn't even the Sonic and Shadow stages, it's probably the Chao Garden.

Only waste your time on this if:
- You're nostalgic about it and can have fun with it even tho it's bad;
- You want to play the Chao Garden;
- You're a die hard Sonic Fan who just want to try every game.

[Anonymous No.4783429]

>>4783401

Weekly? It's borderline daily. I don't fucking get it.

[Anonymous No.4783449]

>>4782680

Because it's a bad game that isn't fun. Thanks for asking.

[Anonymous No.4783461]

2D Sonic is the only good Sonic

[Anonymous No.4783503]

>>4782680
I don't hate it. It's just Nintendo fanboys pretending to be Sonic fans bashing Sonic Adventure 2.

[Anonymous No.4784254]

>>4782716
Heroes was still good, it's the Shadow game and 2006 that fucked everything.

[Anonymous No.4784263]

>>4783417
Chao Garden is neat but it requires you grind the same animals over and over to raise your Chao, and what can you do with them? Put them into really terrible minigames.

>>4782716
>>4784254
Heroes was trash. Could have been good with 6 more months of development.

[Anonymous No.4784268]

>>4782680
>Sonic fans
Sonic fans are the worst fans of any franchise. Well, except Star Wars fans, but still.

[Anonymous No.4784360]

>>4782680
I'm pretty sure Rouge's cleavage on the title screen of SA2B is what sexually awakened me.

[Anonymous No.4785269]

>>4782830
How is it possible that this fan demo, made completely from scratch by two guys, already looks better and more fun than every professional 3D Sonic game that ever came out?
https://youtu.be/5paaz16Nw20

[Anonymous No.4785271]

>>4782680
Because playing as Tails and Eggman sucks.

[Anonymous No.4785278]

>>4782680
Why Sonic when Miles "Tails" Prower can run just as fast and also fly?

[Anonymous No.4785285]

>>4785278
>Miles "Tails" Prower can run just as fast
[Citation needed]

[Anonymous No.4785293]

>>4785285
every 2D Sonic game in which Tails appears

[Anonymous No.4785315]

>>4785293
I'm feeling shit I shouldn't

[Anonymous No.4785328]

>>4785293
why are his tails coming from his grundle?

[Anonymous No.4785329]

>>4785293

[Anonymous No.4785331]

>>4782680
The gba and ds games of sonic were so much better than this 3d mess. Even on nintendo hardware.

[Anonymous No.4785356]

>>4785328
They're buttplugs.

[Anonymous No.4785368]

>>4783364
only if it was your first game on your first system.
total lack of context is the only way SA2 can be fondly regarded.

[Anonymous No.4785374]

>>4785331
>Even on nintendo hardware.

Worse in every way than the DC original.

and the Advance games took the shallow bastardization of Sonic gameplay from Adventure 2 and applied it to a clunky 2D engine with ugly ass sprites

[Anonymous No.4785874]

>>4782774
‘I want to fuck that bat’ ?

[Anonymous No.4785918]

>>4782680
People don't like their favorite series suddenly changing its formula and becoming something radically different.

[Anonymous No.4785940]

>>4782680
Despite being copied from SA1, each of the gameplay styles got some kind of serious downgrade.

[Anonymous No.4788229]

Those sonic flash games with the comic cast, but not exclusively.

[Anonymous No.4788719]

>>4782680
It got higher ratings as Adventure 1 when it came out, but aged worse over time.

[Anonymous No.4788848]

People hate SA2? I thought everyone was sperging about it being the best sanic game ever (even if it's almost as bad as the 2006 one).

[Anonymous No.4788876]

>>4788848
SA2 is bad but 2006 is downright unplayable. Saying the former is "almost as bad" as the latter makes you look like a moron.

[Anonymous No.4788903]

>>4788876
I don't give a fuck. Both are bad, just different degrees of bad.

[Anonymous No.4789015]

>>4788903
Is this you?

[Anonymous No.4789020]

>>4789015
Nope.

[Anonymous No.4789031]

>>4782686
It's okay, I've repressed the memory of Shadow the Hegehog too.

[Anonymous No.4789761]

>>4782680
i hate it because it was the beginning of the period where sonic was a guest character in his own franchise and where sega shoehorned gimmicky side characters that nobody asked for in every game.

[Anonymous No.4789762]

>>4789031
Not a Sonic game.