/CRT/ - Overkill edition

[Anonymous No.4779543]

Previous Thread: >>4760778
>Try to keep it /vr/-related: Nothing past 5th gen(+ Dreamcast). Slight OT might be okay if related to CRTs (E.G. 16:9 compatible models, flatscreens, etc.) Systems with backwards compatibility are also pretty safe territory, assuming you're focusing on the older games. PC CRTs are also a-ok.
>Produce OC! Get out your real cameras and take beautiful pictures of your CRTs displaying recognizable characters with the kind of beautiful accuracy that brings tears to the eyes of young and old alike! If you take 100 photos, at least one of them will turn out alright! (maybe)
>Try to be as detailed as possible when asking info on a specific model. As always, google is your friend, and we are your friends with benefits. Older archived threads aren't a bad place to look either.
>Share appreciation for others choice of technology and personal philosophy of gaming. As always show courtesy in your discussion and moderate yourselves first.

Discussion of video processing and scaling devices is okay, but try to keep the focus on CRTs and CRT accessories

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[Anonymous No.4779578]

pic of mighty crt incoming

[Anonymous No.4779593]

Never forget.

[Anonymous No.4779720]

thingken about selling my kv-20xbr

[Anonymous No.4779801]

My CRT seems to be hugely affected by color bleed. Anything on the screen that's a bright or solid color will project that color a good bit to the right of the actual on-screen object, and I'm not using composite. Also how can I tell if my television is capable of 480p? I have a KV27S42 Trinitron but my Wii-U seems to only want to output to it in 480i. Could do without the input lag that seems to induce

[Anonymous No.4779830]

>>4779801
It's SD only, no 480p, also has practically no input lag.

Got pics of the bleed?

What kind of cable are you using?

[Anonymous No.4779852]

Reminder PMV are a meme. True purists use RF as the devs intended.

[Anonymous No.4779858]

So I bought a PS2 and a CRT yesterday.
https://www.retrogamingcables.co.uk/sony-playstation-2-rgb-scart-cable-lead-sync-on-luma

Should I get this expensive cable or is it just a meme ?

[Anonymous No.4779864]

>>4779858

IDK about that cable, but the one thefoo on ebay sells is legit. It's the same cable for ps1, and ps2.

[Anonymous No.4779869]

>>4779858
Which CRT?

[Dillweed No.4779871]

>>4779852
Come on, man. Get it out of the toilet. That's not where they go.

[Anonymous No.4779881]

>>4779871
>Get it out of the toilet. That's not where they go.

I know, they go on ebay to make the hipsters pay top dollar. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

[Anonymous No.4779883]

>>4779830
Hard for me to get a good picture given my camera is shit but this pretty much encapsulates everything wrong with my display. The red hearts in particular are just a barely discernible blended mesh of red and the whole of the health bar has a weird shadowy outline along the top, an effect that looks to be called "chroma subsampling" after some searching around and that's present in some other games too. I'm NTSC so I'm using s-video.

[Anonymous No.4779948]

>>4779869
The TV is in my car so I can't give you the details but it's a ~17" Trinitron with a SCART port.

[Anonymous No.4780138]

I have a PVM but decided to use CRT Royale Kurozumi for shits and giggles on my professional 4k monitor to see how it was as I have never used a CRT shader before. I was kind of stunned at how close it looked to the real thing. If someone took a close up photo of both of them, I doubt I would be able to tell the difference Considering shelving the PVM semi permanently now. How long has CRT emulation been this good?

[Anonymous No.4780197]

>>4780138
take pics of each and post

[Anonymous No.4780206]

>>4779578
well? where is it

[Anonymous No.4780213]

>>4779883
CRT is out of focus. It may have been dropped at some point. Focus on a CRT is worst in the corners.

You could -carefully- open the back of your CRT and find a focus control knob and adjust it while the game is running. Do it with one hand in your pocket and a plastic screwdriver.

[Anonymous No.4780219]

>>4780138
>I was kind of stunned at how close it looked to the real thing.
I've been saying this for the last two versions of this thread. The only big downfalls of the LED LCD tv's now are

1. ghosting
2. black levels
3. lag

The scanline effects are right on the money now. In fact edge-to-edge they are better than any real CRT could ever be.

[Anonymous No.4780259]

>>4780213
Damn. I really didn't wanna go poking around inside but I guess I'll need to get up the nerve to do that at some point and find out where the focus knob is. It really is only bothersome in top-left portion of the screen and after playing some more it looked like a color convergence issue, but I guess that's related to focus?

[Anonymous No.4780286]

>>4780219
I don't get the whole black level meme. Black levels on my monitor are pitch black.

Ghosting is definitely real though.

[Anonymous No.4780292]

>>4780286
Unless you can't tell your monitor is on when the room is pitch black, your monitor can't do proper blacks. LCDs are incapable of this, whereas OLEDs are very capable of good black.
Ghosting and motion blur will be an issue on all flatscreens, making scrolling games look choppy and awful. It's a shame, as it's the biggest drawback to flat display technology

[Anonymous No.4780295]

>>4780259
You've got both focus out a bit and convergence error. Getting good corner convergence on flat trinitrons especially is pretty tricky. If convergence is currently good near the centre and the middle of the sides it may need fiddling with magnetic strips

[Anonymous No.4780306]

>>4780295
>Getting good corner convergence on flat trinitrons especially is pretty tricky
It's not a flat, but yeah when I started up a game with white text near the top and the text had a stand-out blue outline on that side it screamed convergence to me, even with what little I know. Now I'm weighing my options in regards to fixing it or leaving it, I'd like the picture to be as good as possible but have no experience when it comes to working inside CRTs and I'm aware they can be instantly lethal if you touch the wrong parts.

[Anonymous No.4780350]

How old are your TVs?

[Anonymous No.4780353]

THE ABSOLUTE MADMAN
https://imgur.com/gallery/8t6Zm1e

[Anonymous No.4780354]

>>4779543
it's coming together

[Anonymous No.4780364]

What does /vr/ think of my JVC?

[Anonymous No.4780371]

>>4779543
holy shit that's comfy. Do you play it like this?

[Anonymous No.4780438]

>>4780306
I wouldn't mess with the convergence rings. It's more dangerous and requires more dicking around than the focus control.

You can always look for another CRT. Where are you located? I have many to give away.

[Anonymous No.4780440]

>>4780353
No madman about it, but I wish I had been the first one to really get into this. It has been on the backburner since a wreck last year. I had one sourced and everything.

[Anonymous No.4780467]

>>4780438
I'm in KY, the western part of the state around Lexington. I doubt you're anywhere near that area but that's fine anyway, there's always someone offloading CRTs around here so I'll probably be able to scoop up a decent one at any time. And I don't mind the one I got for now, I'll mess around with some stuff within reason but it doesn't have any killer defect anyway, just a small quirk here and there that I'll deal with for the time being. It'll be a shame if I can't correct the picture though because I'm told it's a great consumer set

[Anonymous No.4780593]

>>4780467
I live about an hour south of Lexington, so not far away at all.

[Anonymous No.4780663]

Anything wrong with moving a kv310 on its stand all together? I know the stand manual says never to move it with the tv still resting on it but as one man it's way easier to slide the entire thing across the room. Floors aren't getting scratched and I've only heard one odd sound could've just been my floor boards adjusting to the weight.

[Anonymous No.4780673]

>>4780350
1989 here

[Anonymous No.4780689]

>>4780350
oldest I have is 1984 Goldstar piece of shit

[Anonymous No.4780694]

Does anyone know any good resources on capacitor replacement? I haven't done it before and don't want to screw it up.

[Anonymous No.4780702]

>>4780350
Toshiba Blackstripe from somewhere in the mid 70s.

[Anonymous No.4780706]

>>4780350

[Anonymous No.4780712]

>>4780364
Lovely. Model #?

[Anonymous No.4780716]

Anyone know where I could find a power cord for this thing?

[Anonymous No.4780719]

>>4780371
The 8 inchers are 8040s, so I'm limited to my S-Video/Composite consoles, but yeah I try to usually.

[Anonymous No.4780729]

>>4780371
>comfy
What does that even mean in this context?

[Anonymous No.4780736]

>>4780719
>20 inch monitor
Shame, I have 2 8-inch pvmemes but my big monitors are more or less size capped at 14 inches since I have to lug them up 3 flights of stairs to get them into my apartment so I wouldn't be able to replicate this setup.

Maybe I'll try putting them on flanking positions instead to give them more use beyond sitting in travel cases in my closet.

[Anonymous No.4780741]

>>4780712
It’s a TM-H150CG, managed to snag one with the RGB input card, so I’m running an old dell optiplex with a ArcadeVGA to that. Still tinkering around with RetroArch trying to get the settings right. Mupen runs perfectly on it though.

[Anonymous No.4780827]

>>4780736
Yeah, I got a few other monitors stored away. I got a 1344Q on my desk, and my 1340, an Amiga 1080 and Commodore 1740 in my closet. Honestly, the 20 inchers are definitely heavy as hell, but I feel like with some patience you could do it one person. Otherwise with another person it would be pretty manageable.

[Anonymous No.4781037]

virgin cancer ray tube
vs
Chad casual racism tent

[Anonymous No.4781041]

The definitive way to play 16-bit games is with the horizontal gaussian blur caused by composite video.

[Anonymous No.4781054]

>>4781037
>shit forced meme vs another shit forced meme

Yawn

[Anonymous No.4781058]

>>4781041
What is it with these shit forced memes today?

Did school finish early?

[Anonymous No.4781068]

>>4781058
I'm enjoying these curves :-)

You'd never listen to music as a series of individual samples. Why should lines of video be any different?

[Anonymous No.4781125]

>>4779543
sup

[Anonymous No.4781163]

>>4781068
>emulated output
Ya blew it memester ;-)

[Anonymous No.4781249]

>>4780689
>that top loader

Nice

[Anonymous No.4781302]

Anyone have good suggestions on decent stands to use?
I currently can only keep one console plugged in at a time.

My friend swears by amazon wire shelving but I'd like to look at some other options.

For a 20in pvm.

[Anonymous No.4781314]

>>4780354
>those speakers

[Anonymous No.4781460]

What are some common CRT sizes? I have a 14 inch TV because the next step is ~21 inches, which is too big for me. Are the sizes between these two points just very rare?

[Anonymous No.4781464]

>>4781163
For Genesis, CRT doesn't make much of a difference. The transparency trick works on this LCD because it's connected with composite:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6Z81G8hw8w&feature=youtu.be&t=308

[Anonymous No.4781515]

>>4779593
It wasn't as bad as I had thought after seeing the actual image. I thought he forcibly jammed RCA cables into the BNC jacks.

[Anonymous No.4781523]

>>4781460
How is 21" too big? But no, besides a PC crt which are commonly 17" there isn't a standard size between 14" and 20"

[Anonymous No.4781552]

>>4781041
It's not composite video that's causing the blur. It's

>poor encoding
>television with low TV lines
>shoddy electronics

If you use a good composite video source on a high TV line CRT you won't have that blur.

[Anonymous No.4781559]

>>4781302
>I currently can only keep one console plugged in at a time.
as it should be

[Anonymous No.4781563]

>>4781523

21" is what I used to have, but I sold it when I moved to a smaller apartment and couldn't fit it anywhere. I'm starting to miss a bigger screen a little bit.

[Anonymous No.4781564]

how come no one told me about samurai shodown

[Anonymous No.4781587]

>>4781563
I'm sorry but I cannot see how a person can't fit a 21" computer monitor somewhere in an apartment if they really care about playing games.

[Anonymous No.4781598]

Personally, I enjoy smaller CRTs. I have a 27" but wish I could find a cute 14" or so TV. Easier to move around and work on and they give better image quality on 240p games

[Anonymous No.4781685]

>>4780663
thanks for the input guys, helpful as always! Anyway I managed to slide it across my room, Still setting up everything, I think it should all be done by tomorrow Morning.

I'll post a pic when it's all finished up.

[Anonymous No.4781693]

>>4781564
I will say SNK's art style lends itself well to RGB

[Anonymous No.4781873]

>>4779593

Remembered forever.

[Anonymous No.4781902]

Is it normal for your display to have a couple of very thin horizontal black lines running across the screen? They're so small I didn't even notice them until one was set against a very high contrast backdrop, and they blend in quite easily otherwise, so I'm wondering if this is a normal display quirk.

[Anonymous No.4781916]

>>4781902
Would this display be an aperture grille by any chance?

[Anonymous No.4781925]

>>4781916
Yes

[Anonymous No.4781948]

>>4781902
Those are the tension wires of the aperture grille. Completely normal.

[Anonymous No.4782071]

Any Britbongs looking for a Sony Trinitron PC monitor? I'm selling my Trinitron E215, auction ends in about two days.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/232764054544

[Anonymous No.4782096]

>>4782071
You've already got bids on that, but I think it is premature to sell these monitors. People haven't figured out how good they are for retro yet. Even here on CRT you can see the amount of resistance people have had to accepting their capability.

[Anonymous No.4782104]

>>4782096
I know man, I'm just trying to declutter and I honestly don't have the space on my desk to use it. I know down the line I may or may not have more space, but I'd rather let it go to an autist like me who will put it to use. It sucks having to dust it every few weeks thinking about how it isn't seeing any action.

[Anonymous No.4782202]

I'm still on the hunt for a large size high resolution CRT. Higher resolution than 1080p. I know about that monitor that John Carmack used, the Integraph InterView 28hd96. And I know about the Mitsubishi Megaview and NEC X series. I also know about Sony's FW900 and W900 monitors.

The Carmack monitor is basically impossible to find, the Mitsu and NEC monitors don't actually have much high-capability (they just accept the signals and display them as best they can), and the FW900 and W900 are still a bit small for what I am looking for.

So what is left? Several years ago I recall seeing some 36" monitors with HP branding on them that I looked up and they had a fixed frequency of 800x600. Perhaps somewhere down the road they made units with high capabilities?

[Anonymous No.4782341]

>>4780827
I’ll keep it in mind if I find a good one locally, since shipping 20+” monitors is notorious for being a crapshoot, and I now need to figure out what to do with a 14N6U that’s now redundant thanks to pic related.

Barring a good barn find or a PVM-1390/KX-14CP1 turning up, I’ve think I’ve had my fill of the meme and am ready to move onto focusing on getting prettier pictures out of these boxes for a while.

[Anonymous No.4782346]

>>4780206

[Anonymous No.4782456]

Does anybody think they know how I could get my hands on a replacement tray for this tv? I've ordered a replacement emblem but the missing tray is a bigger eyesore that I'd like to fix if I can. Tv is kv-25xbr

[Anonymous No.4782473]

>>4781598
I'd trade either of the 13" Pro monitors I have for a 27" television with component inputs.

[Anonymous No.4782498]

>>4781460
>>4781563
There are some Ikegami professional monitors that are 17". I think some JVC too, but excluding computer monitors I don't think there were any consumer TVs, at least by good brands.

[Anonymous No.4782539]

>>4780694

watch youtube videos. EEVblog has a decent beginner series.

[Anonymous No.4782756]

I don't have any pc crts right now, should I settle for a 85kHz horizontal refresh rate or should I wait for something better, i.e. diamondtron? Actually, typing this out I realized I should just grab the lower tier monitors now while they're around and just keep looking for those top tier guys

[Anonymous No.4782758]

>>4782341
>PVM-1390/KX-14CP1
...and the KV-1311CR ;-)

[Anonymous No.4782852]

>>4782756
I have never seen a Diamondtron in real life and I've seen a lot of PC monitors over the years. You're way more likely to find a Trinitron, NEC Multisync, or a big Viewsonic monitor.

All of those are fairly common, and if you look around you'll find something. Probably one of the Viewsonics, and those are good monitors.

[Anonymous No.4782868]

>>4782852
Lacie Electron Blue monitors use Diamondtron tubes.

They're relatively easy to find in good condition due to their fastidious user base.

[Anonymous No.4782963]

Is there a way to reduce the high pitched sound every CRT make ?

[Anonymous No.4782989]

Thing calmed down in my life a bit so I'm finally able to focus more on my CRT and retro gaming hobby. I'm trying to get the Bandana and Stealth in MGS: Integral so I can get a Big Boss Rank, but Extreme has been kicking my ass with it's health restrictions. I don't know how anyone does this without losing their sanity or resorting to speedrunning exploits.
(KV-32FV300)

[Anonymous No.4782992]

>>4782963
Age. Your hearing will get worse over time so you won't hear high frequences as much.

[Anonymous No.4782995]

>>4782963
Pot the entire chassis in epoxy resin

[Anonymous No.4783043]

>>4780716
hook female pins crimped/soldered to wires the put hot glue on that and wait few seconds. Remove the whole things and you have a cheap custom made connector for that

[Anonymous No.4783053]

>>4781464
Why would I waste my life watching this metrosexual?

He can't even keep his highlights from blowing out ffs.

[Anonymous No.4783124]

>>4782963
Any Never The Same Color tube will make some of that noise. You could get a higher frequency cancer ray tube but they can be more complicated to interface with consoles.

[Anonymous No.4783141]

>>4779543
I have a samsung crt, how can one convert vga to rgb? are there some recommended converters? I am afraid those box wont work because of things I have heard on Youtube

[Kya !kDashing02 No.4783161]

>>4783124
>Any Never The Same Color tube will make some of that noise
As well as any standard PAL set, if not more, since they technically use a (very slightly) lower frequency than the equivalent NTSC set.

>>4783141
VGA is RGB. What CRT do you have, and what source are you trying to use with it.

[Anonymous No.4783168]

>>4779543
>crt
>not using a framemeister in anno 2018

[Anonymous No.4783174]

>>4783168
Doesn't that add a whole frame of lag? It takes most humans about a dozen frames to react and press a button, but an anticipated button press can be timed to within one frame.

[Anon No.4783176]

>>4783168
>le framemeister
Nigga u aint retro

[Anonymous No.4783180]

>>4783176
My better 3/4 won't let me have a CRT, not even in the garage :(

[Anonymous No.4783192]

>>4783176
it’s called a hybrid setup my homosexual african-american friend and you better get used to it because it’s the future. I give your precious little crts five years tops before the tubes burn out

[Anonymous No.4783198]

>>4783192
The phosphors will last into the next century because most of these folks don't actually play their games much.

[Anonymous No.4783206]

>>4783192
>I give your precious little crts five years tops before the tubes burn out
If you leave them on 24/7 in attract mode maybe. There are still loads of CRTs from the mid 90's to early 2000's just floating around for the taking and they all have solid lifespands, CRTs are going nowhere for a while.

[Anonymous No.4783257]

>>4783180
>set up gaming garage and post pic looking for compliments/advice
>your pic is used forever by anons to make cuck jokes

[Anonymous No.4783276]

>>4783257
It's not as sad as it looks.

>Yeah. I already have a modern gaming rig in our bedroom and a somewhat overkill of a home theater. I think im done stealing more space inside. I actually am looking at building her a nice vanity mirror setup because ive snaked my way into using prime real estate in the house.

[Anonymous No.4783291]

>>4783180
The worst part is the drills being shitty yellow instead of glorious Nippon teal.

[Anonymous No.4783621]

>>4783161
I meant av, audio video the one with 3 wires red white yellow, and my pc have vga, I want to convert that to AV or svideo, my tv is samsung aa68

[Anonymous No.4783706]

>>4783621
does it have component? the red, green, blue RCA jacks, also called YPbPr? does it have SCART?

[Anonymous No.4783708]

>>4783180
cuckd

[Anonymous No.4783719]

>>4782341
I'm in the exact same boat. I have 14N6U, and I've been looking everywhere locally for a 20" PVM.

[Anonymous No.4783753]

>>4783706
yes it has red green blue holes but I don't knoe what is scart, it also has s-video slot that looks like old mouse keyboard wire plugs

[Anonymous No.4783813]

>>4783753
Best quality but kinda expensive way would be use a transcoder to component like this http://www.ani-av.com/shop/product_info.php?products_id=220

Cheapest but not great for retro is a VGA to S-video converter/downscaler https://www.ebay.com/itm/PC-Laptop-VGA-to-AV-TV-Monitor-S-video-Signal-Adapter-Converter-VGA2AV-Switch/183224692337?hash=item2aa90aee71:g:lwAAAOSw2iNZX0gX

If you're mostly looking for retro emulation consider picking up a Wii, cheap and easy, supports all the standard video types.

[Anonymous No.4783820]

>>4783813
wii is hard impossible because outside of famiclones nintendo never released any consoles here and amazon and ebay don't ship to my country, only like 1 out of hundred sellers do.
well thanks guys I didn't know about all this transcoders and stuff
now I hope I find these kind of stuff on local shopping sites

[Anonymous No.4783854]

>>4782341
I recently hooked up my wii u to a 50inch lcd, and 32inch lcd by component. The first set of cables i used had intereference on one tv but not the other, the second cables I used had no intereference but just looked generally grainy and not as sharp as what HDMI would look like.

All settings are set correctly, and I've used these cables in the past with no problem. Any idea why component looks kind of a little shaky the wii u?

[Anonymous No.4783863]

>>4783854
Did the cables work fine on your monitors for other consoles? Otherwise it could be that your deinterlacer isn’t that great, or else just doesn’t like how Wii U outputs component signals.

[Anonymous No.4783873]

>>4783863
Yea i've used the cables for my Wii in the past with no problem. i have the video splitting to two tv's by an extron. The fact that one tv had interference and the other didn't is very very strange. but then the second set of cables everything was clear.

[Anonymous No.4783930]

>>4783820
What country?

[Anonymous No.4784274]

Is there a reason I can't adjust my monitor's H-phase while using a Gert VGA 666? I've adjusted it before but when I'm pulling the 15khz RGB, adjusting the H-phase through the on screen menu does nothing. Mitsubishi Megaview if that matters

[Anonymous No.4784283]

>>4784274
Not H-phase, horizontal width, my bad

[Anonymous No.4784487]

Why are scanlines so aesthetic?

[Anonymous No.4784540]

>>4784487
Because games were made with them in mind for decades.

[Anonymous No.4784607]

I've been looking for a PVM for years, anyone have any suggestions on where to find some?

[Anonymous No.4784621]

Enlighten me, /vr/.

How worth is a huge CRT, like a 37 inch, but with very limited connections? Should i even bother?

[Anonymous No.4784629]

>>4784621
Doesn't larger mean worse geometry? I don't like to go larger than 27 because it's annoying having a big thing I can't move on my own.

[Anonymous No.4784641]

Welp, the picture on the RCA 27V530T I got for free from a coworker went totally black this morning. Since then, I've left it off for various periods of time to see if it'd come back up, but it's still totally black, not even lit up, though it still produces sound. Does that mean the power thingamawhatsit is dead? In the month or so that I've owned it, I've heard it make a high pitched whine that lasted until I turned it off, unplugged it, and plugged it back in on two occasions.

[Anonymous No.4784660]

>>4784607
How much are you willing to pay?

If money is no object, go on eBay and buy one, and make sure that your seller double-boxes and pads your monitor properly.

If looking for the best deal, scour medical surplus resellers and areas around a lot of media production companies. It's not an accident that PVMs are dramatically easier to find on Craigslist around LA and NYC.

[Anonymous No.4784808]

>>4779543
I just got a CRT for free from somebody in the neighborhood. I believe its a KV-36XBR400 Trinitron. How good is it as far as CRT's go?

[Anonymous No.4784815]

>>4784808
>Display Format 1080i

Sorry, friend.

[Anonymous No.4784818]

>>4784815
Explain

[Anonymous No.4784823]

>>4784818
If you play any old console it will be 240p or 480i, which will be upscaled by that tv. It introduces lag and strips out the visible scanlines

[Anonymous No.4784829]

Well, I built the fresnel lens projector. As expected: it sucked. The image was bright enough, but it was stretched horribly at the edges.

I have a lead on a CRT projector nearby that has extremely high capabilities. We'll see it can do...

[Anonymous No.4784832]

>>4784823
Are you sure? I hooked up my wii and tried a 240p virtual console game to try it out and it looks fine to me and not jittery while when its at 480i, its notably jittery.

[Anonymous No.4784836]

>>4784832
Do you have access to the 240p test suite? I would try that and see how it handles 480i

[Anonymous No.4784839]

>>4784836
I could probably test it using the Wii actually.

[Anonymous No.4784842]

>>4784808
You are very lucky. That is a rare and extremely good CRT.
>>4784815
Shut the fuck up. I am so fucking tired of you idiots telling people that these top-tier HD CRT televisions are somehow a poor deal or find because you're too retarded to understand you're supposed to send pre-scaled video to them from a PC.

>lag
Nearly undetectable. 2 frames. Unless you are playing competitive fighting games or trying to 1cc a shmup this is not going to matter. It is nowhere near a deal-breaker.

>strips out the visible scanlines
Put them back in with Retroarch shaders. You won't tell the difference sitting on the couch.

But what you will tell the difference in is how awesome the image will be from that 36" Trinitron with the culmination of 70 years of TV tech refinements within it.

[Anonymous No.4784847]

>>4784621
I've owned CRTs of every size from 3" to 37".

If I had the choice between any of them I'd go with the 37" every time. I'd go with a 42" or 45" if I could get my hands on one.
>limited connections
I assume you mean S-video? It's fine. S-video can look great. If you've got the room and ability to move a big CRT like that then go for it.
>>4784629
The geometry thing is exaggerated. It's something people who spend half an hour a night looking at test patterns worry about. The increase in size more than makes up for the loss in geometry and focus at the corners.

[Anonymous No.4784850]

>>4784842
that's a bunch of nonsense
those TVs are meant for post /vr/ games

[Anonymous No.4784856]

>>4784842
whatever, nerd. Why don't you just play on an emulator ouputting in 4k if it's not important

[Anonymous No.4784872]

>>4784842
>Nearly undetectable. 2 frames.
t.casual

[Anonymous No.4784885]

>>4784823
He can use a PC and play emulators on it that way. With a 36" TV set to 720x540p@60hz running 320x240 in a window results in a 16" native resolution image with 378 TV lines of resolution. That would make for a very nice image.

[Anonymous No.4784896]

>>4784850
no refutation, just repeating things someone else (possibly even me) told you in the past
>>4784856
I would if there were 4k CRTs to do it with. There are more benefits to CRTs than scanlines and input lag.

>>4784872
I played fighting games at the tournament level for years. I played countless matches with very, very good players during the whole SFIV run from vanilla through Ultra on a Sony XBR960 and everyone regarded it as an excellent low-lag television. We also used that television for playing emulated ST and KOF.

[Anonymous No.4784906]

>>4784847
I just tested my CRT that I got and it averaged about 1 frame of lag from manual testing.

[Anonymous No.4784907]

>>4784885
This will work if you can stand that amount of letterboxing and pillarboxing at the same time. You can also maybe use the service menu to make it a little bit bigger by increasing the size of the raster.

[Anonymous No.4784910]

>>4784906
Then you're pretty much golden. Do you have a PC with a GPU that can run shaders?

[Anonymous No.4784912]

>>4784910
Sure, but I'm not using it on my PC

[Anonymous No.4784914]

>>4784912
get a really long DVI cable

[Anonymous No.4784930]

Nanao MS-8

[Anonymous No.4784932]

>>4784930
looks good

[Anonymous No.4784936]

>>4784930

[Anonymous No.4784945]

>>4783930
pakistan

[Anonymous No.4784946]

>>4784842
>too retarded to understand you're supposed to send pre-scaled video to them from a PC

What do you mean? I thought that the hd trinitrons automatically brought everything up to 1440 x 1080?

[Anonymous No.4784951]

>>4779543
Why bother with a crt when I can use NTSC filters in retroarch that look indistinguishable from the real thing

[Anonymous No.4784956]

>>4784946
Pre-scaling from your PC has myriad benefits.

>lower input lag
>option to use integer scaling, or custom scaling
>option to use filters and shaders


In addition, the pre-scaled signal from a PC is most likely going to be RGB through DVI or HDMI, while you will have to settle for composite or s-video unless you have gone to the trouble of enabling RGB output on your consoles or live in a country with SCART.

[Anonymous No.4784958]

>>4784951
Ghosting, and rather ironically: phosphor trails.

Shaders can't properly replicate the star trails of Galaga and other games with black backgrounds just yet.

[Anonymous No.4784959]

>>4784956
so prescale to 1080i in the pc and send to the trinitron?

[Anonymous No.4784962]

>>4781685
as promised, here she is.

[Anonymous No.4784965]

>>4784962
with some light

[Anonymous No.4784971]

>>4784959
1080i or 540p, whichever ends up looking best. (assuming the monitor does support real 540p)

[Anonymous No.4784973]

>>4784962
>>4784965
a little ticked off that my near perfect geometry got fucked up after sliding the tv across the room. Uneven floors don't help i'm sure.

Oh well, i'll settle for this i guess. Still pissed though

[Anonymous No.4784975]

>>4784973
It's better than 99% of CRTs out there. Stop looking at patterns and play games.

[Anonymous No.4784984]

>>4784971
>(assuming the monitor does support real 540p)

can you tell me if the sony 40 kvxbr800 does?

[Kya !kDashing02 No.4785023]

>>4784283
Have you tried maxing out the h-width completely to see if it suddenly jumps in size, and then lowering it back down to where you want it? I have that issue with mine on multiples sources; Likely due to very aging caps.

[Anonymous No.4785046]

>CRT dying
>Just missed out on a god-tier looking BeoVision Mx7000
hold me bros

[Anonymous No.4785082]

Does anyone else watch 80s and 90s anime on their crt? Call me crazy but it just looks so much better and must be closer to how the animators intended it look.

[Anonymous No.4785087]

>>4785082
Fuck off to >>>/a/

[Anonymous No.4785102]

>>4785087
Leave me alone bully

[Anonymous No.4785104]

>>4785082
Yes, and lots of older professional wrestling.

[Anonymous No.4785124]

>>4785102
No faggot. That has nothing to do with /vr/

[Anonymous No.4785131]

Does anyone here use CRT Emudriver with a slightly modern AMD GPU?

If so, do you have just a PC to play your shit on a CRT or do you cope with the older drivers included with CRT Emudriver?

[Anonymous No.4785136]

Is there a CRT tier list?

[Anonymous No.4785169]

>>4784641
It could be ded capacitors which are cheap to replace. Learn how to not kill yourself before opening a cancer ray tube, or just find another on craigslist.

Does that comb filter shit add any latency?

[Anonymous No.4785172]

Is worthwhile to start hoarding crts?

[Anonymous No.4785279]

>>4784842

2 frames does seem sluggish when you're not used to it. Not sure how much of it is placebo though.

[Anonymous No.4785317]

>>4785172

If you have room, sure. I have 4 that have component hookups, 1 retro rf only (love that tv), a 20" pvm, 13" bvm, and an 8" pvm. Also have a couple shit tier ones that I use on my test bench.

I'd say if you do go about hoarding them, stick with component tvs as they are most modern, probably less issues due to age and more input options. Also get remotes for them on ebay if they don't have them.

[Anonymous No.4785319]

>>4785082

Yeah, dragon box sets look damn amazing.

[Anonymous No.4785573]

>>4785172
I've started
I've seen prices for professional monitors skyrocket in recent years, and when those dry up PC CRTs and consumer sets are next. I have nothing against a good consumer set but I know that I'll get the most out of my dollar with a PVM or the like because yuppies will pay top dollar for their iconic look

[Anonymous No.4785589]

Help me, /vr/

I might have a chance to pick this, but I have no idea which model it is. The girl said this is 39 inch, though it certainly doesn't look that big. I'm still waiting for her to respond regarding the model.

Google gave me nothing.

[Anonymous No.4785603]

>>4785589
Doesn't it have the model number printed on it

[Anonymous No.4785609]

>>4785603

That's what I asked the slut, waiting for an answer, this is the only other photo for now.

[Anonymous No.4785629]

>>4785023
Whoa! that worked, kind of.. when I set the width to max the screen jumped to full size. Weirdly though, I can only adjust the width in the top 50% of the range ( width value ranges from 0 to 60, image only changes in size between ~30 and 60 ) I'll have to pursue a recap I guess :/

Thanks for the tip!

[Anonymous No.4785630]

>>4785589
>>4785609
Looks like a 2958fs to me.

Hue?

[Anonymous No.4785640]

>>4785630

Yes, I'm hue. And you were right, kek. I only have a single 29' trinitron, and wanted a bigger TV as a spare. I'll try my luck elsewhere.

[Anonymous No.4785693]

>>4785573
Damn this thing looks awesome

[Kya !kDashing02 No.4785736]

>>4785629
Yeah, sounds like it's the same general issue as mine. Raising it all the way seems to force enough voltage into the cap to actually get it to fill and pass through properly, and from there it lets you adjust to some extent.

I'm just putzing around on deciding on what desoldering gun to pick up before jumping in on recapping mine... and attempting to not kill it.

>>4785693

[Anonymous No.4785867]

>>4782539
I'll check that out thanks

[Anonymous No.4786020]

>>4785573
>>4785693
>1.05mm slot mask

[Anonymous No.4786037]

>>4786020
On a 37" monitor you moron. But sure, you pass it up if you ever come across one. More for the rest of us.

[Anonymous No.4786040]

>>4785279
It's probably placebo. Street Fighter V has 6.5 frames of lag. Does it seem sluggish to you?

[Anonymous No.4786042]

>>4785172
Not really. You've got these huge things taking up space in your house for maybe making a few hundred dollars in a decade. Not worth it imo, and also you're taking away CRTs from other people who may be looking for them. Get the CRT you like and be happy with it.

[Anonymous No.4786057]

>>4786042
>>4786042
I don't like CRTs because they cause eye cancer.

[Kya !kDashing02 No.4786183]

>>4786020
If you note, that's for the corner; it averages to a bit under 1mm.

[Anonymous No.4786352]

>>4785082
I do the same on mine. Any recommendations?

[Anonymous No.4786479]

>>4785609
>That's what I asked the slut, w

Idiot poorfag who can't even afford a used tv is judging someone's promiscuity level. Stop wasting our time and just buy it already, I've got important things to do with my BBP.

[Anonymous No.4786481]

>>4785172
once i get a good career job with good pay i plan on renting out a storage unit and picking up any 20inch+ component capable CRT's in my area that are fully functional and free-$20.

[Anonymous No.4786486]

>>4786479
who doesn't call random women sluts

[Anonymous No.4786496]

>>4786486
Someone who respects women you fucking degenerate faggot.

[Anonymous No.4786515]

>>4786496
>respects women
hahahahahhahahahahaha FAGGOT!

[Anonymous No.4786542]

>>4786515
Shhh I was enjoying larping as a white night.

[Anonymous No.4786623]

>>4786496
Holy shit what a gay post.

[Anonymous No.4786631]

>>4786496
>fucking
>faggot
>has the audacity to call others degenerate
Priceless

[Anonymous No.4786690]

>>4786183
We need to come up with a universal number to gauge pixel pitch across various screen sizes. 37" Megaviews are about .7mm, aren't they? So this monitor would be quite a bit fuller looking, and more like an old arcade monitor.

[Anonymous No.4786693]

>>4786690
oh wait, this is the 3730C. I had thought it was an earlier version. Never knew they were under the Diamond label.

[Kya !kDashing02 No.4786706]

>>4786690
I mean, that post and the Klonoa one before it were both shots of the 3730.
As is this.

[Anonymous No.4786716]

>>4785693
It is, but they are hard to find in good condition. Due to their size and weight people are rough with them when removing them for resale.

Pros
>massive screen
>15khz support
>good speakers
>degauss button
>full set of geometry controls including H and V size
>every kind of connection you need
>multi-sync

Cons
>hard to move
>cooling fans are not silent
>not easily tated (but it can be done!)

Legend says a mad man once made a cocktail cab out of the 33" version of one of these things, but I've long since lost the links to the project.

[Anonymous No.4786731]

>>4786716
>Legend says a mad man once made a cocktail cab out of the 33" version of one of these things, but I've long since lost the links to the project.

http://www.angrymods.com/mame/

[Anonymous No.4786738]

>>4786706
This is the one I had
https://www.cnet.com/products/mitsubishi-megaview-37-plus-crt-monitor-37/specs/
With the .85mm pitch it looked very good, but definitely started to get into that PC monitor look.

i've revealed myself, haven't i

[Anonymous No.4786740]

>>4786716
Another thing I've experienced is finding them with the front control panel completely ripped off. Why? Not sure. Either the surplus people were just assholes, or they were in a situation where the previous owner didn't want people to be able to do anything with the front panel.

[Anonymous No.4786767]

>>4786731
Yeah, that's probably my favorite MAME cabinet ever. The only things I would change would be I wouldn't overhand the glass at all, and use far less bezel space. As little as possible. I'd just put darker glass over the monitor.

[Anonymous No.4786825]

>>4786352
Not him, but I can safely say that the Goshogun TV series looked fantastic when output to my TV with component.

I wonder how the Zeta BDs would look coming from a PS3 using the same? I know there would be a difference from the DVDs as the BDs use a new transfer (clearly) but would it look good? That's a video signal that's been mastered for at least 720p.

[Anonymous No.4786851]

>>4785136
Not really but from a somewhat objective point of view, Japanese TV’s are really all you should consider only exception being someone like Bang & Olufsen.
Your top tier is going to be TV production monitors like the Sony BVM. The slightly less professional but nonetheless stunning Sony PVM’s and any other broadcast model from companies such as JVC/Panasonic/Ikegami etc.

Outwith professional grades is all kind of subjective, Sony again has their Triniton line that are great. Again really just stick to Japanese brands and you can’t go wrong.

[Anonymous No.4787240]

>>4786690
>>4786693
>>4786706

the one I posted of samurai shodown is on my 3717c

>>4781564

[Anonymous No.4787296]

Anybody have advice on how to move a 32" trinitron that weighs 160lbs? It needs to go down two flights of stairs and into a car.

[Anonymous No.4787297]

>>4780350
Sony from Nov. 2002.

[Anonymous No.4787305]

>>4785082
yeah I do, Votoms on a big CRT and my top-shelf 70s speakers is the shit

[Anonymous No.4787308]

>>4786851
>Japanese TV’s are really all you should consider
RCA/General Electric made fine CRT televisions. Now that I have done the whole round of professional monitors I find myself longing for an old wooden console TV.

[Anonymous No.4787315]

>>4787296
Don't try to move it by yourself. Get a strong friend with a strong grip. Measure and make sure the trunk will close on it, or if you can get it into the backseat.

[Anonymous No.4787320]

>>4787240
Next CRT thread should be dedicated to thicc CRTs

[Anonymous No.4787324]

>>4787315
definitely not doing it by myself

was thinking of getting a big box for it and trying to move it that way. Wasn't sure if that was advisable though.

I am aware of some big dudes in my apartment building who might be willing to move it in exchange for free beer

[Anonymous No.4787329]

[Anonymous No.4787331]

>>4787329

[Anonymous No.4787362]

>>4787308
There's also the proton brand, which is American made but devilishly difficult to find information about. A beautiful piece of crt craftsmanship

[Anonymous No.4787374]

>>4787362
I feel like there's a bunch of brands that made monitors with RGB inputs that can still be had for cheap just because the PVM name is so synonymous with video monitors. Hell, I see Olympus monitors sell for lower prices than PVMs, and those are often just badge engineered Trinitron models to begin with.

[Anonymous No.4787381]

>>4787374
true, this is a Sears brand monitor that has rgb input, although I think it is digital rgb

[Anonymous No.4787397]

personally I think the whole "production" monitor thing is a nonsense pursuit anyway. I don't really care what my game would look like if I were editing video of it for a TV show in the 90s. I use consumer sets and I'm happy enough with that.

[Anonymous No.4787403]

>>4785736
The Hakko FR300-05/P is a solid choice.

[Anonymous No.4787416]

>nice-looking PVM on ebay
>$500
Why do so many jews own PVMs?

[Anonymous No.4787456]

>>4787416
there's reasons why the different models are valued the way that they are
sorry that you were late to the party, but they're still undervalued if you consider that many people who own them will never sell them

[Anonymous No.4787616]

Real weird question:

Does it take longer to switch between higher resolutions on a CRT? Say, if you have super resolutions, does it take longer to switch between 2560x240/480 than between 1920x240/480? Or is it down to software/drivers?

[Anonymous No.4787673]

Two Lacie electron blues for sale, gonna cop

[Anonymous No.4787726]

>>4787616
It's just software.

[Anonymous No.4787761]

>>4787374
Some Olympus are. OEV 201 model is Matsushita. OEV203 is a PVM-20M2MDU. I've seen the OEV sell at 1/3 to even 1/4 of PVM that size.

[Anonymous No.4787787]

>>4787320
>乇乂ㄒ尺卂 ㄒ卄丨匚匚 edition

[Anonymous No.4787806]

Anyone here using an OSSC to a vga crt pc monitor?

Quality still good? Do you think it is worth it? I have tons of toys and gadgets, but for whatever reason haven't invested in an OSSC but might to mess with.

[Anonymous No.4787809]

Anyone ever heard of a Panasonic Prism? Not finding much info online.

[Anonymous No.4787914]

>>4779543
>dude scanlines lmao

[Anonymous No.4787927]

>>4787914
muh input lag
muh comfy 8" pvm

[Anonymous No.4787941]

>>4787927

[Anonymous No.4787949]

>>4781125
yo

[Anonymous No.4787967]

>>4787616
>>4787726
I have seen it take a second for a giant presentation monitor to switch between its lowest and highest modes. It also makes a very audible hollow clunk when doing so.

[Kya !kDashing02 No.4788007]

>>4786738
I'm pretty sure it used the same tube as the 3730, just with lesser electronics backing it.

>>4787403
The biggest thing holding me back from one of those is the price, otherwise I'd be already working on putting together a cap kit and instructions for the thing.

>>4787967
Yeah, mechanical relays are neat.

[Anonymous No.4788516]

19" monitor, .25mm slot pitch, 96kHz horizontal refresh, how far can I push this past 1600x1200?

[Anonymous No.4788526]

>>4788516
Well, if it's 19" diagonal that's 15.2" wide. Or 386.08mm

386.08 / 0.25 = 1544

So I'd say 2048x1536 is about as far as you will want to go, and you probably won't be able to tell any real difference in that from 1600x1200.

2048x1536@60hz is 95.34khz anyway. I don't think you want to try 50hz or less.

[Anonymous No.4788528]

>>4788516
It's designed for 1280x1024.

You'll get slideshow-style flicker.

[Anonymous No.4788530]

>>4788007
Do you know much about the older Mitsubishi presentation monitors? There is the AM-3501R, and the AM-4201R. But they look quite different, as if they were made in different years even with similar model numbers.

I have also seen a television version of the AM-3501R here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2TTVGdsB0E

The CT-3762QEM. I've always been curious what the pitch on these would be.

[Anonymous No.4788535]

>>4788528
?

If the monitor has a .25mm dot pitch it was designed for 1600x1200. 2048x1536 will work fine.

[Anonymous No.4788583]

>>4788526
>>4788535
thanks my boys, that might be useful if I want to letterbox 1080p content or something

[Anonymous No.4788587]

>>4788535
If a 21" monitor has a 0.25mm dot pitch it was designed for 1600x1200. Anon's 19" example was clearly not.

Here's a 19" with 1600x1200 "native":
https://www.cnet.com/products/viewsonic-g90f-crt-monitor-19/specs/
Notice the 0.21mm dot pitch.

[Anonymous No.4788631]

>>4784973
>a little ticked off that my near perfect geometry got fucked up after sliding the tv across the room
Is that really a thing that happens? even if you move your tv while its off?

[Anonymous No.4788687]

>>4788587
And here's a 19" monitor with a .28mm dot pitch with a recommended resolution of 1600x1200

https://www.cnet.com/products/superscan-elite-20/specs/

So your "clearly not" claim is dubious.

[Anonymous No.4788750]

This is probably going to sound retarded, but I picked up a Sony PVM-1440QM for really cheap a while back.

I've just noticed that on the back, next to the Euro SCART input, there's a dial marked 'V-HOLD,' and a ON/OFF switch for 'SUPER-IMPOSE' (currently set to on).

What exactly do these do? I just got things working and don't want to mess around and fuck anything up.

[Anonymous No.4788760]

How did I do guys? Got it for free but had to spend £10 petrol to get it.

I was expecting a lot worse from a flat screen, although it has the usual curve in the corners, but I’m happy.

The paint is all crumbling though which is a shame. Can anyone recommend what type of paint I could use to cover up the marks?

[Anonymous No.4788815]

>>4788750
V-hold adjusts the vsync detection, fiddle with it if you get a rolling image. Superimpose makes the RGB input appear on top of the composite/s-video image when the blanking pin on the SCART connector is high, used for things like captioning.

[Anonymous No.4788826]

>>4788760
You did excellent. In a few short years these will be hard to come by as the populace learns their true potential. What is the model #?

If you wish, anons on here can provide you with shader files to try on this monitor.

I believe Krylon Fusion is the go-to paint for plastics.

[Anonymous No.4788846]

>>4788826

Thanks for the paint advice.

I believe it’s a kv21lt1u. I also have the 14 inch version which also has a great picture. Something to do with the fe-2 chassis? I don’t know the details but that’s meant to be one of the best for trinitrons I’ve read.

[Anonymous No.4788863]

>>4788846
>television
I was mistaken, I was sure that was PC monitor. In that case you still did good, however the method you'll go about to bringing out its best is different.

[Anonymous No.4788864]

>>4788863
Also that geometry is fantastic for a consumer CRT television, flat or no flat.

[Kya !kDashing02 No.4789003]

>>4788530
I'm pretty sure there are a couple other AM models as well. I really don't know as much as I'd like about them, aside from the fact that the they were made for quite a long while, as they were still making versions of the 4201 at the same times as the (XC) 3730C, and with features that the latter actually lacks.

[Anonymous No.4789113]

>>4789003
I seem to remember seeing some smaller model #s on neo-geo.com's CRT list years ago.

[Anonymous No.4789115]

>>4789113
Found some listings here

http://www.monitorworld.com:80/Monitors/mitsubishi/

I need to do some more research here. Monitorworld was such a good site.

[Anonymous No.4789118]

>>4789115
Proper archive.org link
https://web.archive.org/web/20120715090508/http://www.monitorworld.com:80/Monitors/mitsubishi/

More information on the AM-2752
http://www.manualmanor.50megs.com/Msgcomp.html#no3

[Anonymous No.4789120]

>>4789118
another example

[Anonymous No.4789121]

>>4789120
rear

This sold for $16 at public surplus auction in 2009. Those days may be over.

[Anonymous No.4789132]

Randomly browsing, I was reminded how much I like the look of the XC2930

[Anonymous No.4789140]

Got this for free. Is this decent enough? its a sony fs120

[Anonymous No.4789158]

>>4789140
How big is it? I couldn't find anything about TVL count, but it supports everything up to Component, so that's very good for a free monitor.

[Anonymous No.4789159]

How much can geometry be fucked with in the service menu? Can it be messed with even more with a screw in the back or something?

[Anonymous No.4789183]

>>4789158
its a 20inch which was the perfect size for my place. only bad thing is that the 24inch model has svideo inputs while this one is only 1 component and 2 composite

[Anonymous No.4789186]

>>4789159
You can utterly ruin it. It's easy to fuck up with a service menu to the point you can't fix it back. This is why we always repeat

write everything down before you change anything
>write everything down before you change anything
write everything down before you change anything
>write everything down before you change anything

and then make your changes verrrrryyyy slowly so you can back off if you somehow lose video

[Anonymous No.4789302]

>>4789140
That's basically perfect geometry for a wega, good score. xxfs120s are great sets in general, and frequently recommended. Sucks that the 20fs120 doesn't have s-vid but you can make do, ps1/2 stuff you can play via ps2's component output, same for gcn and wii over wii's component out. HDRetrovision makes snes and gen component cables, and adapters for saturn and neo geo. You can also go the old route which was combining RGB cables for all the systems that support it and an RGB to YPbPr transcoder like a csy-2100 or an sb-2840. An a/v switchbox or matrix switch is highly recommended for all xxfs120s

Anyway congrats you got an ideal tv for retro

[Anonymous No.4789305]

>>4789302
yeah it is a definite upgrade from my 32fv16 which had bad geometry. i was mainly bummed out about no svideo because thats how i use the dreamcast, but apparently the hdretrovision guys have component in the works for the dreamcast. ill take a look at a matrix switcher too, should be convenient.

[Anonymous No.4789423]

>>4787673
Picked these up for $30, and the guy was desperate to clear out his garage and actually coughed up a pvm 1271Q that I got for no extra cost. It seems a little beat up but the picture was actually very nice. One question I have is that when I power up the tv, I can see through the vent on the back that something starts glowing, and I'm just not sure if this is a normal component of the TV or if there is a bad connection causing something to heat up. I'll get picture tomorrow morning

[Anonymous No.4789448]

>>4789423
That's normal. You're probably not used to seeing it because your TVs when you were younger didn't have it visible, but unless it's looking particularly weird don't worry about it.

[Anonymous No.4789449]

>>4789423
>Picked these up for $30, and the guy was desperate to clear out his garage and actually coughed up a pvm 1271Q that I got for no extra cost.
jesus christ

"here just have this awesome and valuable monitor for free!"

[Anonymous No.4789527]

>>4788516
You don't. The grille is setup to look best at a specific res. You going past it hardly will look better.

[Anonymous No.4789662]

>>4788815
Good to know, thanks friend

[Anonymous No.4789882]

>>4789448
Alright, good news
>>4789449
He seemed to be a photographer and didn't know of the modern 'value' the tv holds. Also, I think his wife was making him liquidate.
Here it is, not the best console to test the image quality but it's all I've got at hand. There's dirt underneath the outer piece of glass, but I'm very happy with how bright it is for its age, this is with the picture knob at maybe 10% and brightness at 50%

[Anonymous No.4789913]

do i need a vga to rgb transcoder to output from a pc vga to a pvm/bvm? Im planning to use an older radeon card from the 4000 or 5000 series btw

[Anonymous No.4789939]

>>4789913
Vga is rgb, but it will have separate vsync and hsync which you must recombine with some external device. Most importantly, though, is that your graphics card can do 15kHz video -- unless your tv can do 480p, in which case any video card will do really

[Anonymous No.4789973]

>>4789939
oh so i have to use crt emudriver or some other 15kHz drivers or else i will blow up the monitor?

[Anonymous No.4789976]

>>4789882
>this is with the picture knob at maybe 10% and brightness at 50%

That's way to fucking bright anon, you need to use some SMPTE color bars and adjust the brightness. If you're using RGB, make sure the resistor values are correct.

The picture looks good other than the brightness cranked up so high.

[Anonymous No.4790007]

>>4789976
Ya, I didn't have the 75 ohm switched on

[Anonymous No.4790026]

>>4789882
>>4790007
>another PVM-1271Q owner
Surprised at how much they’ve been proliferating in /crt/ in this thread alone given how it’s a more esoteric model, but welcome to the family of aesthetic pvmemes.

Would anyone happen to know if there’s a solution for replacing the control panel’s dust cover? Would like to try and get some of the original look back on mine but don’t know how easy it is to source a spare/commission a replacement.

[Anonymous No.4790246]

thoughts on a sony trinitron wega kv-30hs420?
does this thing have bad input lag?

[Anonymous No.4790263]

>>4790246
If you want an HD crt look for one with the super fine pitch

[Anonymous No.4790360]

>>4790263
These days it's hard to justify being that picky. I say if you're looking for a Wega and you find a hi-scan one you should take it because you wait any longer you might not find one at all, SFP or not.

[Anonymous No.4790365]

>>4790246
It's a great television good for all kinds of things, retro and current. It has a very small amount of input lag, better than the game mode on most LCD television and better than most desktop LCD monitors (but not "zero lag" gaming LCD monitors).

[Anonymous No.4790372]

>>4789973
>>4789913
If we're still talking about the PVM 1271Q then all you need is a VGA>BNC cable. You can use a RGBS or a RGBHV variant. If you use the RGBHV you'll need to buy a T-connector to combine H and V sync. You don't need anything else.

RGBHV cables are more common and T-connectors are cheap. I would go that way.

[Anonymous No.4790376]

>>4790372
Also, you will want to order a couple of short BNC extension cables. Just a few inches long is fine. The sync port on the 1271Q is pretty far away from the RGB ports and it can end up putting stress on the connector and cable stretching them that far to get them on.

[Anonymous No.4790378]

>>4790365
A CRT that isn't faster than every LCD isn't worth the eye cancer.

[Anonymous No.4790381]

I have to move out and I'm stuck with 10 CRTs in my appartment lol

[Anonymous No.4790414]

>>4790381
Lol indeed.

I've moved 6 times in the past 7 years and at last count I had 27 CRTs totalling close to 1 tonne in weight. Keeps me fit I guess.

[Anonymous No.4790421]

>>4790378
surely that shitpost will convince people of your hot opinions.

Nevermind every other benefit of CRTs.

[Anonymous No.4790424]

>>4787809
Seriously not finding any info on these. I'm about to go pick it up just to catalog it.

[Anonymous No.4790425]

>>4790421
i just use shaders lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBzB0YdHn64

[Anonymous No.4790514]

Okay, fuck it. I'm on the hunt for a Sony KV-40XBR800 or a KD-36XS955. I'm leaning toward the 40" because it is even more fuck-huge and I don't think the SFP will make a whole lot of difference for what I'm doing.

We'll see what potential these things really have in 2018.

[Anonymous No.4790534]

>>4790514
My desktop PC bookshelf speakers have wider woofers lmao

[Anonymous No.4790548]

>>4779858
Meme. Sync on luma isn't any better than YPbPr. Get a component cable

[Anonymous No.4790589]

>>4790534
Good for you.

Decent cabinet design trumps cone girth when it comes to generating bass frequencies though.

[Anonymous No.4790603]

>>4790514
Ooo nice. Whats the huge difference between owning an XBR and a flatscreen. Are the colors just better on an HDCRT?

I like that setup although the cable box on top of speaker kind of ruins the aesthetic. A chromecast or apple tv would do the job just fine

[Anonymous No.4790637]

>>4790548
luma as sync has benefits and should not be more expensive than composite video as sync, as it's just a pin swap

[Anonymous No.4790674]

>>4790603
> A chromecast or apple tv would do the job just fine
That's a very old photo I pulled from google images.

Color on any CRT with RGB Trinitron is excellent. But the contrast is what makes the difference and gives it that rich and dynamic look. Good modern LCD TVs can approach this look too but they must use dynamic contrast to do it and that comes with caveats. And they have worse response times leading to ghosting. However, top tier LCD LED TVS have made strides to reduce this.

Even still, CRTs possess a certain look to the image, a certain X factor that is not reproduced in anything.

[Anonymous No.4790895]

>You will never own a pvmeme

[Anonymous No.4790923]

>>4790895
Why not? Are you somewhere very rural? Or have no expendable income? Here in Minnesota, I can usually find a few in the $75-$300 range.

[Anonymous No.4790931]

>>4790895
Just keep looking, and inform yourself of the just-as-good alternatives like the Mitsubishi monitors discussed in this thread.

[Anonymous No.4790953]

How to dispose of a crt?

[Anonymous No.4790959]

>>4790953
Leave it on your curb and put an ad on craigslist (and delete it when someone takes it) or drive to your municipality's collection site and pay $15 for """recycling""" so it can be left in a pile somewhere for several years before someone figures out what to do with it.

[Anonymous No.4790963]

>>4790923
I'm just not sure where to look and don't want to pay the exorbitant ebay prices for one. I checked the guide but going around to hospitals and tv stations in the hopes of finding one seems unlikely

[Anonymous No.4790980]

>>4790674
yea i can see the contrast thing being a factor. I wasn't sure if HDCRT's still had that amazing contrast. My LCD has pretty damn low response times I'd wager it's on par or better than some HDCRT's. Ghosting isn't too bad either when all the right settings are ticked.

[Anonymous No.4790986]

>>4790963
have you tried putting "pvm" or "broadcast monitor" into craigslist?

[Anonymous No.4791005]

>>4790986
Just did and got no results. Oh well, maybe someday soon I'll just nut up and pay a premium

[Anonymous No.4791008]

>>4791005
It's not worth the eye cancer.

[Anonymous No.4791024]

>>4790980
hdcrt delay is almost nonexistent. LCD tv is 20+ usually. LCD monitor 9-15 usually.

[Anonymous No.4791041]

>>4790895
I said this a while ago too.

I now have 5 PVMs. And 2 computer monitors. Just keep looking!

[Anonymous No.4791074]

>>4790980
The problem is when all the fancy image enhancements are turned on you get more lag. HD CRTs have low-lag while maintaining a great picture.

[Anonymous No.4791080]

>>4790425
looks dull

[Anonymous No.4791109]

>>4791074
*clears throat*

as a world class speedrunner of many games I must say that "low lag" is simply not good enough for my Superior muscle memory and hand-eye coordination

[Anonymous No.4791127]

>>4791080
Your monitor is dull. What color is this dress?

[Anonymous No.4791129]

>>4791024
>>4791074
HD CRTs have a fuckton of post processing and terrible input delay, what are you tards smoking?

[Anonymous No.4791134]

>>4791109
Most people take about 200 milliseconds to react and press a button, but most can also time an *anticipated* button press to within one frame. Any change in latency can throw off a speedrunner's game.

[Anonymous No.4791139]

>>4791127
anybody who saw this as White and Gold is a retard, right?

[Anonymous No.4791143]

>>4791139
They're the kind of people who always have their phone at full brightness and take it out at the cinema to browse Facebook for minutes.

[Anonymous No.4791163]

I just got a Peacock Entrada 19 VGA CRT monitor. The internals are the same as the Belinea 106020: https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/106020
I want to use an active HDMI-VGA adapter to play older PC games (RCT etc) and emulate PS1 on my Win10 laptop. What emulator and software should I use for proper PS1 emulation at 240p and output to the CRT?

[Anonymous No.4791169]

>>4790953

I don't know, I threw 4 of these in the garbage. Unfortunately where I live crts are worthless (also I agree that they are), so after I dropped the whole crt meme because I started emulating like an actually decent human being I was forced to throw my tvs away. I have no regrets and I never will. Two of them were Sony PVMs. Worth exactly nothing where I live.

[Anonymous No.4791170]

>>4791163
>I want to use an active HDMI-VGA adapter
WTF? Find a VGA video card instead. At least until fairy recently they can output VGA through one of the DVIs using an adapter.

Check out >>>/vg/emugen/ and the wikis

[Anonymous No.4791185]

>>4791170
It's a laptop. I'm not getting a desktop. By all accounts the adapter doesn't add any major lag.

[Anonymous No.4791214]

>>4791163
playstation -> scart -> ossc -> tendak -> monitor

emulator fags suck a tail pipe seriously

[Anonymous No.4791217]

>>4791139
>anybody who saw this as White and Gold is a retard, right?
It looks white and gold to me but I can tell the picture is over-exposed.

[Anonymous No.4791247]

>>4790637
Sync on composite video isn't really what we're talking about here (though in the link that anon provided csync is more expensive than sync on luma) but it's easier, cheaper and less SCARTy to get a PS component cable.

[Anonymous No.4791250]

>>4791247
he has a scart tv you dumb fuck

[Anonymous No.4791252]

It'll be dim (and probably blurry?) but could you use a CRT in conjunction with a Fresnel lens and an overhead projector head as a projector? How retard am I?

[Anonymous No.4791260]

>>4791250
why would you ever

[Anonymous No.4791278]

>>4791214
>*disc read error*

[Anonymous No.4791281]

>>4791278
good point. this happened to me once ten years ago so I bought another playstation for 10 bucks on my way home from fucking your mom

[Anonymous No.4791393]

>>4780354

what TV?

[Anonymous No.4791396]

>>4791129
>and terrible input delay
No, they don't. You're just repeating crap other retards have told you. They have very low lag.

[Anonymous No.4791405]

>>4791109
And I am in the 99th percentile for fighting game players and have no issue playing on a screen with 2 frames of lag.

[Anonymous No.4791414]

>>4790514
>KV-40XBR800
I have seen on of these in person and I am not sure you will be prepared for just how goliath of a CRT we are talking about here. That picture does not do it justice. It is a BIG fuckin' tv.

[Anonymous No.4791424]

>>4791405
what's your average modern setup for games like SFV? 5 frames?

[Anonymous No.4791426]

>tfw HOA forbids CRTs

[Anonymous No.4791429]

>>4791414
https://youtu.be/bpy3S8jvBy0

[Anonymous No.4791438]

>>4791426
You can't be serious. They wouldn't even know.

[Anonymous No.4791449]

>>4791424
I would say something around that, yeah. And since SFV has about 6.5 frames of lag it's not going to matter very much.

One thing to keep in mind with this discussion RE: Lag is how you plan on playing your games. I think the assumption with these Wega HDTVs and such is you'll be using emulators on them most, yes? Well those emulators will have lag built into them anyway. So if the emulator lags 2 frames it won't matter much if the TV lags 2 frames as well. They don't add up to 4 frames of lag, it doesn't quite work that way.

If you're sure you're not going to get into playing on real hardware like consoles or JAMMA PCBs then you're probably going to have to make peace with the idea that you're going to be dealing with lag of some kind. Also: some old games and systems lag 1 or 2 frames anyway. And then there's the whole thing about your own reaction times.

And one more thing: a lot of speedrunners and world class players play on the shittiest set ups you've ever seen. You'd laugh at the extent we go to for perfect and then see people doing these miraculous things on shitty old laptops and decade old laggy PS2>USB converters.

[Anonymous No.4791463]

>>4791396
people have done actual tests and found they lag like shit, you fucking moron
https://www.reddit.com/r/SSBM/comments/4ruicp/proof_that_some_crt_tvs_have_lots_of_lag_by/d54ntu0

[Anonymous No.4791465]

>>4791449
>So if the emulator lags 2 frames it won't matter much if the TV lags 2 frames as well. They don't add up to 4 frames of lag, it doesn't quite work that way.
Eh, let me take that part back a bit. It does add up but it's not a linear fashion because the lag may hit at different points in the update process from one another and it could be a frame faster or slower depending. And it matters more than that the monitor is faster than the emulator.

[Anonymous No.4791478]

>>4791463
>Component: 30.75
That's slightly less than two frames of lag, exactly what has been said in this thread, you idiot. That is not "lag like shit".

You can throw the composite test out the window because that's not what these things are designed for.

Now let's see the HDMI test because that's one less step. And that test doesn't specify resolution. It should be done at 1080i or 540/480p. Any other resolution will also add latency.

[Anonymous No.4791483]

>>4791478
>two frames
>not lagging like shit
not everyone is a mouth breather like you, anon
also what the fuck are you talking about hdmi, why would you hook anything up to it but original hardware
low latency and properly displaying older systems are the two reasons you even bother with a damn crt

[Anonymous No.4791503]

>>4791478
also component IS 480p, yet it's still terrible response wise even compared to a monitor using an HDMI converter
that's really fucking bad

[Anonymous No.4791515]

>>4791483
>why would you hook anything up to it but original hardware
You exposed yourself with this question. You're a pleb.
>low latency and properly displaying older systems are the two reasons you even bother with a damn crt
There are other reasons to want to use a CRT. Contrast, viewing angles, response times, color gamuts, and reproductions of esoteric features like phosphor glow and trails. None of which have to do with scanlines or 240p. And 240p isn't the end of /vr/.

If you do want to run 240p games then you can use software shaders in conjunction with the natural characteristics of the CRT to produce an image which is very, very good and looks almost identical to the PVM and BVMs people obsess over. The same thing can be done with PC CRT monitors.

>properly displaying older systems
You tell me what's proper. Composite video? How about RF? That's how I played it as a kid. There is no such thing. The endless search for "accuracy is an illusion". Play the way you want it to look the best.

I don't own a MSX. Or a PC-8801. Or Sharp X68000. Or a have a collection of arcade PCBs. Do you? If you've never ventured into the territory of these system through emulation you are, again, a pleb.

From SRK's lag faq
>https://forums.shoryuken.com/t/the-new-definitive-hdtv-lag-faq/54637
>Acceptable (playable) delay is 9 to 34 milliseconds, or 1/2 of a frame to 2 frames. Note that while gameplay will still be affected by a delay of 2 frames, most people will still have a difficult time noticing the difference immediately.

From the very place along with shmups.org that started this whole craze over finding lagless televisions and monitors.

And this is all assuming everyone is some kind of video gamer who depends on split-second reaction times. That is heavy assumption. There are many kinds of players so to immediately scream from the rooftops a monitor is useless because of 2 frames of lag is shortsighted and wasteful.

[Anonymous No.4791520]

found a toshiba bbe. how did i do?

[Anonymous No.4791523]

>>4791503
You had better be saying the test was done in 480p because if you're implying component video = 480p you're an even more delusional faggot than I thought.

[Anonymous No.4791543]

>>4791520
Well, it's a CRT. That's a start.
what's the model #?

[Anonymous No.4791548]

>>4791515
>quoting the fucking srk wiki
I actually play fighting games anon, and I along with anyone else who does will tell you 2 extra frames of delay feels like fucking shit and is borderline unplayable
the #1 usage of CRTs these days is for playing older games where input delay is a big issue on modern displays, I lugged these fucking things around to tournaments with hundreds of others to play shit on
I've played on superguns hooked up to PVMs too, just to shit on your example
a CRT that has more lag than a modern display is fucking useless, functionally is by far the most important thing for games and especially for ones you'd actually bother dragging out a god damn CRT for in the first place
>>4791523
he's testing 480p from a wii you tard, there'd be no reason to differentiate between the two if he was just doing 480i for both, and that'd also be pointless since the basis for this test is getting near lagless 480p on gaming monitors to begin with

[Anonymous No.4791568]

>>4791548
I play fighting games as well at an extremely high level if we're doing a dick measuring contest and I have no issues playing at the highest level with some manner of lag whether comes from the display, online lag, or built into the game.

>a CRT that has more lag than a modern display is fucking useless, functionally is by far the most important thing for games and especially for ones you'd actually bother dragging out a god damn CRT for in the first place
Another entirely faulty and short sighted plebeian opinion. At this point I'm going to have to assume you're some kind of Smash fag that doesn't really play a large variety of games, or have knowledge of them.

[Anonymous No.4791569]

>>4791543
toshiba bbe

[Anonymous No.4791580]

>>4791568
the last time I was using a CRT I was playing 3rd strike on an arcade cabinet
highest level of play my ass, I can tell you're an SFV faggot who's just used to eating shit, or likely worse a complete poser cause even 16ers were bitching about the terrible input delay in that game
no nigger with self respect would ever not be bothered by unnecessary input delay, much less claim to play at "an extremely high level"
don't reply to me again

[Anonymous No.4791660]

>>4791569
oh lol I thought it you were saying "toshiba baby"
From what I have read about it it is a perfectly good television for a wide variety of things. Make sure you put the S-video to good use.

[Anonymous No.4791667]

>>4791580
>the last time I was using a CRT I was playing 3rd strike on an arcade cabinet
So... you're a casualfag poser who doesn't even belong on this board and whose opinions can be completely ignored? Got it.

[Anonymous No.4791670]

>>4791667
what part of "don't reply to me again" do you not understand?
feel free to post more meaningless buzzwords and extremely vague descriptions in attempt to validate yourself though lmao

[Anonymous No.4791675]

>>4791670
A photo of some cabs. This is supposed to mean something? Although I did take it when you said
>the last time I was using a CRT I was playing 3rd strike on an arcade cabinet
to mean in an arcade years ago. Either way your ownership of CRTs, something everyone in this thread has, is meaningless.

If you don't want me to reply anymore then stop posting.

[Anonymous No.4791681]

>>4791675
you do know that some people or friends own arcade cabs, right ?

[Anonymous No.4791684]

>>4791681
Yes, I have owned them in the past as well. It's irrelevant to the discussion here. The best response you could give would be to the question of "do you own a collection of arcade PCBs" by saying yes. But even in that case you've only got a handful of them, and there are thousands to play.

Look at me, I'm now having to argue the other side of this war for you.

[Anonymous No.4791701]

>>4791675
>in an arcade years ago
try last saturday, faggot
that picture is from the local arcade I go to every month, this one's from a huge tournament last year
I'm not leaning on my ownership of CRTs, I'm leaning on my actual ability to play video games and knowledge to realize how fucking retarded someone would have to be to claim 2 goddamn frames of input lag don't matter, especially when you're talking about a display type coveted by older gaming communities specifically because of the lower input delay
you don't actually play fighting games, you're arguing from the perspective of a hipster faggot for muh picture quality using fucking emulators instead of what CRTs are actually good for
fuck off and quit shitting up the board with your retardation

[Anonymous No.4791705]

>>4791252
You can, but the results will be so bad it won't be worth it. I tried it just this last weekend. I didn't even take photos to share on here because it was so embarrassing. I've seen other people have more luck than I did with more refined set-ups, but I think I'm through with the notion. I'm just going to buy a cheap LCoS projector.

[Anonymous No.4791714]

>>4791701
based

[Anonymous No.4791717]

>>4791701
You're ignoring the majority of points made so far in this thread and restating your own assumptions without evidence that everyone else in this thread must be a worse player than you, so I guess this is actually the end of the road.

[Anonymous No.4791725]

>>4791717
>majority of points
such as?
>assumptions without evidence that everyone else in this thread must be a worse player than you
when the only claim challenging otherwise is your dumb nigger ass trying to damage control with vague statements here
>>4791568
there's no assumptions to be made
no one who knows that they're talking about would EVER claim input delay is ignorable, this is not an argument

[Anonymous No.4791752]

>emulator and lcd is just as good, two frames delay is nothing
two frames is two too many
keep those HD crts for post /vr/ games only

[Anonymous No.4791754]

>>4791701
>>4791717
Holy shit, when will the girls stop fighting?

Can we get back to tubes and stop with the off topic shit? Thanks.

[Anonymous No.4791774]

My color balance never looks just right and it's pissing me off. Gold/yellows are slightly green-tinted but when I adjust the hue it just makes everything else too warm and reddish

[Anonymous No.4791779]

>>4791774
what kind of CRT are you using? model #?

[Anonymous No.4791785]

>>4791779
KV27S66 Trinitron

[Anonymous No.4791802]

>>4791785
Are you using a test pattern to adjust color?

[Anonymous No.4791826]

Do you like my CRT

[Anonymous No.4791837]

>>4791660
it has component so i should use that for my wii right? on a crt do i still lower the sharpness to minimum or keep it default?

[Anonymous No.4791843]

>>4791802
To be quite honest, I'm a little new to CRTs and am not sure what people use to input all those useful test patterns.

[Anonymous No.4791865]

>>4791826
Yes, I remember it. That's a very clean and classy set-up. How are you liking it so far?

[Anonymous No.4791870]

>>4791843
what systems do you have access to?

[Anonymous No.4791916]

this is comfy. but i probably need external speakers and a better controller. any recomendations?

[Anonymous No.4791923]

>>4791569
Toshibbe

[Anonymous No.4791934]

>>4791916
are you on a wii? if so, just get a classic controller. there's also a super nintendo style pad, but availability/price might vary. those both require you to connect to a wii remote (and charge batteries), so you might want to look into raphnet's adapters for the GC controller port instead.

also, just roll with the TV speakers. you aren't missing much

[Anonymous No.4791935]

>>4791916
Unless you go for something pretty big and nice the speakers in your TV are probably going to be as good as the external ones you connect. CRT TVs have good speakers since they face forward and have some size to work with.

[Anonymous No.4791943]

>>4791916
Plug this and the NES Mini controller into your Wiimote. Save the GC controller for GC/Wii games.

[Anonymous No.4791951]

>>4791935
>>4791943
shit. realized my tv has a headphone port and its pretty good.

[Anonymous No.4791962]

>>4791865
It's pretty awesome man. I'm working on getting more systems!

[Anonymous No.4791978]

>>4791870
For now I have a SNES, N64 and Ps2. I've been building up my collection again since all my shit was sold for drug money or otherwise destroyed by family members I've since moved away from.

[Anonymous No.4791982]

Just found out both of the dvi outs on my graphics card are dvi-d, now I've got to pull out an old ass GPU to get this monitor working. I thought for sure if they bothered to put 2 on there, they would at least add a dac to one of them

[Anonymous No.4791990]

>>4791982
dvi to vga adapters are inexpensive and reliable

[Anonymous No.4792002]

>>4791990
Sorry, what I'm saying is that the dvi is digital signal only, whereas to connect to vga you need the analog signal

[Anonymous No.4792040]

>>4791826
>do i like your setup
yes
>would i like connecting consoles to your setup
no

[Anonymous No.4792056]

>>4781068
what filter?

[Anonymous No.4792062]

>>4791978
Do you have a blue ray player? Or a DVD burner? Have you done the memory card exploit for your PS2?

[Anonymous No.4792073]

>>4792062
Well I got a Ps4 if that counts as a blu-ray player. Not sure what memory card exploit you're referring to actually

[Anonymous No.4792080]

my tv has a widescreen mode. Did i fuck up?

[Anonymous No.4792084]

>>4792073
PS4 is all you need. This will get you started down the road
http://www.avsforum.com/forum/139-display-calibration/948496-avs-hd-709-blu-ray-mp4-calibration.html

[Anonymous No.4792103]

>>4779593
Oh no someone tried to get deeper into the hobby without the requisite information! Let us all take a jolly, heavily autistic laugh at the pleb, content in our own elitism.

[Anonymous No.4792207]

>>4785082
does something like this work for laptop hdmi to rca on my crt? been watching gash bell and figured SD content would look better on a crt.

https://www.amazon.ca/gp/aw/d/B06X6HBQDH/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1527059543&sr=8-3&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_FMwebp_QL65&keywords=hdmi+to+composite&dpPl=1&dpID=5182YFfhVcL&ref=plSrch

[Anonymous No.4792246]

>>4792207
this shit gets posted every fucking thread

[Anonymous No.4792362]

>>4790895
Keep looking.
I said the same and now I have 2!
100€ for both.

[Anonymous No.4792495]

>>4791705
What was your set up for it?

[Anonymous No.4792781]

>>4791826
What game?

[Kya !kDashing02 No.4792787]

>>4792080
Not explicitly, what's the model number?

>>4792084
>>4792073
>PS4 is all you need
>HDMI only console on an S-Video at best SD CRT

If they have a flash card for the SNES, they could use a that version of 240p Test Suite to do some adjustments; Otherwise, burning a DVD with test patterns and using it with the PS2 would likely be the simplest route.

>>4792781
Shinobi 3 from the looks of it.

[Anonymous No.4792838]

>>4792787
PS4 doesn't have composite video out?
>look it up
>it doesn't
Well shit. I just assumed it did.

Yes, the next thing I was going to tell them was to burn a DVD.

[Anonymous No.4792847]

>>4792495
I took a fresnel lens out of an overhead projector, then cut a hole in a big cardboard box and taped the lens to the inside of the box. Then I put a 13" CRT monitor inside. I took a video from my computer and used Xmedia Recode to convert it to being upside down and mirrored. Then I put the video on a usb drive and played it back on a blue ray player through composite video (the only input on the monitor).

To get extra screen brightness I set the monitor to the looped video or "open" mode. This blows out the white and lowers color saturation a lot, but I just wanted to get as bright of an image as I could to start.

The whole thing worked, but the image was terribly stretched outside of a circle in the center of the image. It looked like extreme pincushion distortion. By fiddling with the distance from the wall and distance between the lens and CRT I could mitigate this somewhat, but it was never ever what I would call acceptable.

I think maybe my issue was using too large of a lens, and I might should make a piece of cardboard with a smaller hole in it to put in front of the lens. This would be equivalent to "stopping down" the aperture of a camera lens. This ought to make the picture sharper, I am pretty sure about that, but I don't know how much it would help the distortion.

[Anonymous No.4793280]

Looking to replace my CRT. What are some good models that are not PVMs?

[Anonymous No.4793309]

>>4793280
BVMs

[Anonymous No.4793327]

>>4793309
Not BVMs as well

[Anonymous No.4793330]

>>4793327
Toshiba AF ones

[Anonymous No.4793337]

>>4793280
Sony's XBR lines, WEGA Trinitrons, and KV series. Otherwise name brands like Panasonic and JVC are typically safe bets for quality.

[Anonymous No.4793362]

>>4793337
Aren't the WEGA Trinitrons the HD ones?

[Anonymous No.4793435]

>>4793362
Mostly yes, but there are some flat screen SD sets. I have a KV24FS120.

[Anonymous No.4793510]

Am I doomed if I want a good 13"-14" set that can at least do s-video because I'm NTSC? I love the size but don't want to deal with shitty composite dot crawl

[Anonymous No.4793519]

>>4793510
No. One of the more affordable PVM models is the 14N5U, which is 14" and has two S-Video inputs.

[Anonymous No.4793539]

>>4793510
>13"
>s-video
Very easy to find, and the shipping isn't too bad on them so you can even risk ebay.

[Anonymous No.4793552]

>>4791826
thats a comfy looking room anon

[Anonymous No.4793582]

OwO

[Anonymous No.4793587]

>>4793582
lol i had this problem with my sony trinitron

[Anonymous No.4793656]

>>4793582
you got the stuff son
what you need a dimebag?
*snorts sony*
that the good shit my nigga

[Anonymous No.4793675]

>>4793519
>One of the more affordable PVM models is the 14N5U

Don't you get it man? Something being affordable is the EXACT OPPOSITE of why you would want a PVM. The goal here is to distance yourself from the poorfag normies. Do you fucking like this hobby or what? The whole point is to have something only your superior taste can appreciate and afford. Get on my level or go back to /leddit/ with that normie tier shit.

[Anonymous No.4793685]

>>4790895
Meh, I owned two and sold them because I prefer consumer screens. PVMs are convenient, but the picture looks as sharp as lcd, but with scanlines so dark and thick that they look drawn on with a sharpie or something. Its ridiculous. Still have an Ikegami tho.

[Kya !kDashing02 No.4793686]

>>4793362
>>4793435
Any flat models with an FM, FS, FA, or FV in the middle of their model number are SD only. Most flat XBRs with a series number below 300 (ex XBR250) are also SD only, with the exception of the XBR2 and possibly a few others. Anything with an HS, HV, XS, or XBR 400 or above are going to be HD and to be avoided if you're planning on running native 240p sources exclusively.

[Anonymous No.4793713]

Well, I went on a junk run today and came up with a CRT. It's a JVC AV-14F703.
https://www.cnet.com/products/jvc-av-14f703/specs/

It has component inputs. Paid $5 for it. So I guess I did pretty good. Will I be able to adjust the overscan easily on this?

[Anonymous No.4793747]

>>4793713
>component
>slot mask
good
>digital comb filter
maybe not good

[Anonymous No.4793775]

>>4793747
those filters dont do anything unless you use composite.

[Anonymous No.4793786]

>>4793675
>superior taste
>afford
Being poor doesn't mean you have bad taste imbecile

[Anonymous No.4793787]

>>4793786
Why respond to such an obvious troll post?

[Anonymous No.4793792]

>>4793675
Wow dude crawl back to /v/ or wherever you came from with this shitty post

>>4793519
At any rate, the only listing for one of these I can find is still selling it at $450. I guess that is better than $600+ for other PVM models but I'll probably be shelling out either way since I don't think I'll find something like this locally

[Anonymous No.4793809]

>>4793792
There's a bunch of them listed on eBay for less than $200 with shipping included. As someone who's ordered a virtually identical model (14N6U) from there without issue, I'd say it's worth buying one online from a reputable seller.

[Anonymous No.4793815]

>>4793809
I like the overall look of this set too, call me autistic but I'm a little hesitant to throw down on one of those ultra long PVM models despite how good they probably are. Love the compact aesthetic-looking sets, personally

[Anonymous No.4793874]

>>4793815
The 8" models are the really lengthy ones. 14" and up typically have dimensions comparable to consumer CRTs of the same size.

[Anonymous No.4793927]

>>4793874
>yfw watching WWE and they toss these things aside like trash

[Anonymous No.4793935]

>>4793927
they switched to flaties some time ago

[Anonymous No.4794160]

What to do about ghosting? When I move against a black background in a game, there’s always that faint trace and I can’t ignore it.

[Anonymous No.4794162]

>>4794160
Same on my tv, I'm pretty sure it's normal for these displays. I've grown to appreciate it as a quirk though since I have an idea of the technical reason for why it happens.

[Anonymous No.4794172]

>>4794162
Nice to see I’m not the only one. I heard it could be bad shielding on the video cables, since it’ll pick up electrical interference but I’m not sure how true that is. I don’t have any genuine cables for my systems so I can’t really test it. Might have to upgrade to RGB to tell.

[Anonymous No.4794179]

>>4794160
It's the nature of CRTs, nothing can be done about it.

[Anonymous No.4794185]

>>4794160
This is why emulation is the only way to truly experience a game in the developers intended. When are you hardware cucks going to learn?

[Anonymous No.4794204]

>>4794172
then what are you using now? i find darker areas to suffer worst with composite.

[Anonymous No.4794209]

>>4794204
S-video right now, but it’s those off brand cables you find on amazon/ebay for cheap.

>>4794179
Can anyone else confirm if this is true across all CRTs?

[Anonymous No.4794246]

>>4794209
>Can anyone else confirm if this is true across all CRTs?
To varying degrees yes, it depends on the phosphor type used.

P22 phosphors as used in consumer sets and low-end PVMs (N series and perhaps some other older ones) are high-persistence and will ghost the most.

SMPTE and EBU phosphors used in higher-end PVMs and all BVMs are low-persistence and will show the least trailing (but still some).

[Anonymous No.4794247]

>>4794246
I have a PVM and while I don’t have any other crts to compare it to, I feel like the ghosting is pretty high. Is it possible there’s something wrong or that it’s nearing the end of its life?

[Anonymous No.4794250]

>>4794246
Oh and to add to this, the more trailing is visible the less interlacing flicker is noticeable as the previous field will not fade as much before the next is drawn.

So it's a double-edged sword really.

[Anonymous No.4794256]

>>4794247
If the effect is just visible following bright sprites on dark backdrops this is perfectly normal and nothing to worry about.

[Kya !kDashing02 No.4794269]

>>4794246
B22 or bust.

[Anonymous No.4794328]

>>4794256
Not sure if this image tells you anything but here's what the backlit zone test looks like from the 240p test suite. It's basically a white dot and you can move it around on a black background.

[Anonymous No.4794332]

What's the best method to mount a CRT in cocktail cabinet so the screen is facing straight up? So far I have come up with

1. Decase the CRT and hope the chassis is attached to the tube, and then mount it to rails.
2. Angle pieces of wood so the CRT just slots down into it snugly, case and all.

[Anonymous No.4794386]

>>4794328
Looks pretty typical to me.

Consumer set or?

[Anonymous No.4794401]

>>4794269
That's just the JIS designation for EIAs P22 though, right?

[Anonymous No.4794407]

>>4794386
PVM 20L5 through S-video.

[Kya !kDashing02 No.4794434]

>>4794401
Likely, but I've seen some sources claiming they're slightly longer persistence than P22; Dunno whether to believe that or not however.

[Anonymous No.4794449]

A surprising 600 tvl on this pvm-1271Q, pretty impressive considering it's from 1985. Unfortunately, there's this thick touch screen over the actual screen and there's dirt on the inside, and it seems really tough to take it off

[Anonymous No.4794459]

>>4794449
Are you using the VTR input?

[Anonymous No.4794465]

>>4794459
I wish I had something that could output to VTR; no, it's genesis through rgb, you just can't see that label because it's blinded by the light

[Anonymous No.4794470]

>>4794449
>here's this thick touch screen over the actual screen and there's dirt on the inside, and it seems really tough to take it off
???

It's just screwed on. The screws are visible in your photo. I took mine off with my fingers. If yours is tight use a flat-head screwdriver.

That smoked glass is one of the things that makes this monitor sought after. It's like an old arcade cab.

[Anonymous No.4794479]

>>4794470
the smoked glass was actually missing. What I'm talking about is what seems to be a resistive touch screen, which the person I bought it from mentioned as it having. Here you can see the dot grid of the touchscreen when I use the flash

[Anonymous No.4794481]

>>4794479
and here is dirt which is behind the first layer of glass, which I'd like to get rid of

[Anonymous No.4794484]

>>4794481
and this 'ethernet' port is wired to the screen, so I assume this is what you plug into to get the touch capability. Does yours have this?

[Anonymous No.4794503]

Just randomly tried hooking my PlayStation up to my PVM 1271Q with this old multi-system component video cable.

And it frickin' worked. Only problem is I only have two phono>bnc adapters -_-

So now I am stuck on a green screen until I can get to town tomorrow to buy two more.

I had no idea this monitor would accept composite video sync, but there it is. I found it on this thread and decided to try it:
https://assemblergames.com/threads/the-pvm-faq.47216/

>PVM-1271Q

>Size: 13''
>CVBS Inputs: 1
>Svideo: 0
>RGB inputs: 2
>Y/Pb/Pr : No
>C-Sync Supported : Yes
>HV-Sync Supported: No
>CVBS as sync source: Yes
>480p/31kHz support: No

[Anonymous No.4794905]

>>4794503
You don't need to line break after ever sentence. Of course it worked, sync on composite is the most commonly accepted sync. Those cables are shit by the way.

[Anonymous No.4795036]

>>4791129
HDcrts have variable delay. You would know this if you knew anything that others didn't force feed into your small brain. To give you more of a lesson, plenty of consumer sets have up to a frame of delay that are NON hd.

They go as low as a PVM, but can max at 40ms if you for whatever reason are as dumb as a sonic poster and force specific settings over HDMI.

[Anonymous No.4795045]

>>4793927
If you look into it, they never toss actual monitors around after sometime in the mid 90's. They hardly did before, but someone was shocked at an event that was being pre-recorded for a promo. I don't do WWE/WWF, but I saw a documentary on their tech and behind the scenes and they went into it deep about how they had to fake the tvs after that. If you see real PVMs. no one is going through the table.

[Anonymous No.4795049]

>>4793675
The issue is not about price. It is about spending half as much as a 20 inch PVM and getting a 14 incher, while ONLY getting Svideo. What a waste.

[Anonymous No.4795196]

>>4794905
>sync on composite is the most commonly accepted sync
He said composite video sync, not composite sync. CVBS isn't accepted PC monitors, and a lot of video monitors won't take it either.

[Anonymous No.4795204]

>>4795045
Randy Orton fell on one at Wrestlemania 30. It looked nasty.
https://youtu.be/LYS55b2iQ24
You are probably right that it was not a live monitor.

[Anonymous No.4795265]

>>4795204

My GOD IT COULD END HIS CAREER! SOMEONE STOP THIS MADNESS!!!

Damn, that did look painful.

[Anonymous No.4795393]

>>4794465
Didn't realize these actually had BNC RGB inputs. Are there any other 80s PVM models with them? I've typically only seen composite on them.

[Anonymous No.4796107]

So I need to open my big fatass TV to work on it, but in the upper corners on the back it has these plastic stops sticking out of the holes where it seems like screws should be. I've never done this before, what's up with that? Do I pull them out with pliers or something when taking the back of the case off?

[Anonymous No.4796278]

>>4794484
Are you sure that’s a 1271Q? Mine certainly doesn’t have one of those.

[Anonymous No.4796285]

Is there any way to use an apple Studio Display 21 inch CRT without an old apple computer? All monitor controls are "soft" and relayed by USB to the display, so there is no way to control screen size, etc. but it has a plain VGA input.

Have the chance to get one for free, and it is a cool enough cabinet and it's a Trinitron, but not for a doorstop. Didn't find any answers to this online, so I suspect not.

[Anonymous No.4796298]

>>4794484
No, it does not. That is completely unfamiliar to me. And I just checked and I do not have any kind of touch screen either. However, mine is a white unit and it may have a different background than yours. It might have been used in a hospital.

[Anonymous No.4796307]

>>4796285
>? All monitor controls are "soft" and relayed by USB to the display, so there is no way to control screen size, etc
Sounds like there is a way: through the USB. You just have to find a way to do it. You may need to set up a virtual machine.

It's certainly worth saving. a 21" Ultra Fine Pitch (what else could you call it?) Trinitron has a lot of potential. If it were me I would be playing Doom 2016 on that thing in 1600x1200@100hz. I am sure it would look simply amazing doing that.

[Anonymous No.4796371]

How many people have died from getting shocked working on CRTs?

[Anonymous No.4796405]

>>4796371
Not sure but if they died doing it they probably didn't take the time to take proper safety precautions and didn't familiarize themselves with what they shouldn't touch. You can touch the convergence rings, the various adjustment dials, and most of the circuit boards (if you have turned off and safely discharged the CRT) but don't touch even circuit boards if you need to make adjustments while the set is on. Even if discharged try to refrain from touching the circuitry and diodes at the very bottom of the set and if the set is on don't fuck with the anode cap, the anode cable, the flyback transformer, the deflection yoke, or anything else but the convergence rings and dials on the sides away from all the harmful shit. There are some adjustments that people make my re-adjusting and manually moving the deflection yoke around but if that needs to be done for your set it's better to trash it, that kind of risk is not worth it.

[Anonymous No.4796406]

>>4796371
Oh and wear safety goggles, wear a grounding strap, and use insulated/plastic tools when working on the things as much as possible. Keep your free hand in your pocket or behind your back.

[Kya !kDashing02 No.4796472]

>>4796278
It'd be an 3rd party addition. They don't have them by default.

[Anonymous No.4796550]

>>4796285
>>4796307
Virtual machine probably isn't going to work, I doubt Apple made Intel architecture drivers for it, and AFAIK there aren't any PPC emulators that have USB passthrough support.

I'd look for a used PowerBook G4 or iBook white G3 / G4, they're still pretty easy to find reasonably cheap where I am.

[Anonymous No.4796568]

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[Anonymous No.4796692]

>>4796472
>lugging heavy PVMemes around just to use the composite video input
It truly is a meme. And I say this as someone who owns this monitor. It weighs twice as much as most color video monitors.

[Anonymous No.4796702]

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[Anonymous No.4796723]

>>4796692
After buying and moving my new 27" consumer Trinitron into my place I can't imagine any monitor or television smaller than that size being so much of a hassle to move around, but I've never handled PVMs.

[Anonymous No.4796729]

Yume Nikki = 2003

[Anonymous No.4796730]

[Anonymous No.4796738]

Do I set my TV Sharpness to 0?

[Anonymous No.4796762]

[Anonymous No.4796767]

>>4796568
what game?

[Kya !kDashing02 No.4796770]

>>4796692
They're retro indie devs, what are you gonna do.

Not a single CRT out of the 20+, either at those dev's tables or with the console set up for free-play was hooked up with anything better than composite; And that included sets ranging from misc consumer models (mostly FD Sonys) to L2s, JVC Pro Monitors, and even a 29'' Megaview.

I can sort of understand for NES games running on some of the ones in shot, but the Genesis just out of view to the right has no excuse aside from maybe to hide their basic spriting skills.

>>4796738
Bring it up as much as you care without introducing ringing/halo effects.

[Anonymous No.4796780]

Can I post Yume Nikki?

[Anonymous No.4796790]

[Anonymous No.4796818]

>>4796723
a 20" PVM is supposed to be 60+ pounds

[Anonymous No.4797003]

>>4796780
Not Retro

[Anonymous No.4797341]

>>4796472
>>4796692
What even is that pic?
>>4796723
>>4796818
20 inch pvm is about 60 pounds, 20inch bvm is about 80lbs. They're easy as fuck to handle since they have handles. 14inchers are more annoying since they weigh so much but are still tiny and useless(to me)

[Anonymous No.4797816]

>>4795196
>a lot of video monitors won't take it either.
I've yet to find one after 20 different ikegami/sony/jvc/panasonics.

[Anonymous No.4797856]

>>4779543
>muh geometry
>muh service menu
>muh color banding
just get a fucking framemeister or emulate ya dipsters

[Anonymous No.4797945]

>>4791214
lol, buttmad about emulators?

[Anonymous No.4797964]

Does anyone have a crt they could recommend me? I got half the setup (console and flash)

Dont have the room for a big one though.

[Anonymous No.4798005]

>>4797964
what are you looking for in size? what's your price range? Do you want composite or component?

[Anonymous No.4798046]

>>4797856
A Framemeister costs twice as much as what I paid for my PVM, and doesn't deal with resolution changes as well as a CRT. Although I often emulate games for consoles I don't own.

[Anonymous No.4798116]

how much better is component vs composite? I either need a component switch for both my ps2 and wii or I use component for my wii and composite for my ps2. I also have S-Video if I can take advantage of that too

[Anonymous No.4798459]

This is my PVM-1354Q

When powered on, the screen doesn't turn on and nothing happens, other than the orange error light above.
As someone who knows nothing about CRT's, would it be easy to fix/figure out what the issue is, or would it be less effort to just throw it out and buy a new one?

[Anonymous No.4798514]

>>4798005
Same anon on a diff. Phone, which one produces a better image? I suppose less then 19-21 inches, below 175 possible?

[Anonymous No.4798532]

>>4798459
>orange error light
Anon...

[Anonymous No.4798592]

>>4798532
yes?

[Anonymous No.4798772]

>>4798592
Show the back of the PVM and what you have plugged in

[Anonymous No.4798792]

>>4798772
currently nothing other than the power cord.

[Anonymous No.4798867]

>>4783180
you should bring one home along with another woman

[Anonymous No.4798870]

how do you play your NES games?

I play on a big consumer CRT over composite video. But I'm thinking about getting the RGB kit or an AVS, so it can join the rest of my consoles in the 21st century. A lot of money for inaccurate colors and all that!

[Anonymous No.4798897]

>>4798870
currently playing it over composite but I have it modded for RGB (with multiple color palettes installed, depending on the monitor I'd be using), but I do not yet have a PVM or a Framemeister or OSSC.

[Anonymous No.4798907]

>>4798897
I have an ossc, so I could potentially play on a monitor in 480p with fake scanlines. But I'm grappling with the cost of the mod to make your "original" console look just like an emulator does. I love the ossc but it's really only good for 240p content and it will not take anything besides scart or component.

[Kya !kDashing02 No.4798949]

>>4798116
The jump from composite to component is massive, though most of that increase in clarity can also be gained from just making the move to S-Video.

[Anonymous No.4799004]

>>4798907
I don't mind the RGB mod because, while the color palettes end up being just like ones you can find online (even though most palettes have become amazingly accurate by now), the rest of the hardware is still original. You won't come up with any emulation inconsistencies/bugs, etc. It's fine if you feel it's too much of a trade, but I honestly can't tolerate composite much longer. Mario in SMB looks like a slice of bacon.

[Anonymous No.4799005]

>>4798532
what about it?

[Anonymous No.4799082]

>>4798870
my NES composite looks 10x better on my consumer crt than it does on my PVM. not surprising, but it's definitely true
i'm satisfied with it even though I could easily solder the rgb mod myself

[Anonymous No.4799264]

I'm thinking about selling my JVC TM-13U on ebay. Would anyone in this thread be interested in it? It's basically a clone of the Commodore 1702, but it lacks s-video.

[Anonymous No.4799274]

>Rationalizing the defects in your CRT as charming because you're too pussy to fix them

[Anonymous No.4799296]

>>4799274
who are you quoting?

[Anonymous No.4799331]

>>4799296
myself

[Anonymous No.4799412]

This would be fun to have

[Anonymous No.4799531]

>>4798514
just look up trinitron on facebook marketplace/letgo/craigslist/whatever and buy a silver one for 25 bucks. Figure out the high end stuff later.

[Anonymous No.4799568]

>>4798532
what does it signify?

[Anonymous No.4799575]

>>4798459
Sell it to me, I'll be able to repair it.

[Anonymous No.4799769]

>>4798592
>>4799005
>>4799568
It's a tally light, not an error light. It's supposed to signify when the feed to that particular monitor is "live".

My guess is that someone has permanently activated it by fitting a jumper across its pins on the back of the monitor.

[Anonymous No.4800004]

>>4798459
>>4798532

Can you describe what was going on beforehand? Was the image shaking or warping? And then one day it stopped powering up properly and the light comes on? As in, it tries to fire up, you hear the tube power up, and then it drops out pretty much right way and the light comes on? Or did you get it in this condition?

>>4799769
It's primary function is as a tally light, as you suggest, but if you follow the schematics for the 1354, the light is tied into the set in a way that's totally overkill if that's all it does. For example, IIRC, to switch on the light requires a voltage, nothing more. But there are at least two colours of LED behind the plastic rectangle. Might be because you can have it light up in standby vs recording, or to indicate another monitor is recording.

From what i can guess, the tally light is tied into various subsystems, and will come on in the event of the failure of, among other things, the horizontal deflection. I imagine it comes on in other cases too.

However, i can't find any information to support this online. You hear about this problem every so often, someone has one of these PVM's and all of a sudden it stops working and when powered up only the tally light comes on in orange.

>>4799575
Care to diagnose it then?

[Anonymous No.4800041]

I've been looking at getting into shmups and a few of the Playstation ones I've got hold of have options for rotating the display 90 degrees, so you turn your monitor on its side, to play them in their original aspect ratio.

Reckon I'm safe doing this with a Sony PVM? I know they were designed to be workhorses but I'm worried about something inside being strained by sitting in the wrong orientation.

[Anonymous No.4800119]

>>4796285
is there any reason why you cant do what these guys did?

https://youtu.be/8tSpkBDUwho

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKhEpyFfAHs

[Anonymous No.4800337]

>>4800119
It already has RGB input via the VGA connector. His issue is he has no way to adjust screen functions like contrast, brightness, position, and size. It doesn't have buttons to do so, it was all done in Mac OS.

I second the opinion of buying the cheapest POS old Macbook if modern Mac OS X can't interface with the monitor. If the modern operating system will work then I would go the hackintosh route and see if I could get it working with hardware I already owned.

[Anonymous No.4800341]

>>4800041
I've been doing it for years with PVMs and never had a problem.

[Kya !kDashing02 No.4800350]

>>4800041
Just don't do it while it's one, and let it sit for at least a few minutes before powering it back on.

It can be a bit weird to look at in comparison to the sort of tubes you'd see in an actual arcade machine if you're looking at it straight on.