/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.4769769]

What CRTs are particularly aesthetically pleasing? I'm looking for a smaller desk TV and I've seen some really nice looking Sony ones. Anything else out there in this sort of style?

[Anonymous No.4769778]

>>4769769
PVM-1271Q. They're hard to find with the control panel cover though, which takes away some of the sleek aesthetic when it's missing.

[babbage's gramps !RATGzMALLY No.4769784]

>>4769769
I have a similar KV-13 I rescued for 99 cents that's sitting in my living room with my Saturn on it right now. It's black though with wood grain housing. Their layout is similar to PVMs and balances nicels with the 14M2U on the other side.

[Anonymous No.4769785]

>>4769769

[Anonymous No.4769819]

>>4769769

[Anonymous No.4769968]

>>4769778
Got a similar model (PVM-1371QM) a 6 month ago for 40€ from an audiovisual technician who used it in his personal video production studios. He had newer PVMs too, but they weren't for sale (he still used them for his studio). There were some really nice stuff piece of video equipment in his studio, and some of them were for sale too.

[Anonymous No.4769972]

>>4769819
That right one looks like the broken televisions in fallout 3 and NV

[Anonymous No.4770179]

>>4769769
>i care more about form than function
You silly person anon.

[Anonymous No.4770530]

A guy I used to be friends with found a really awesome little red CRT at Goodwill that he offered to sell to me for cheap but I never took it because it had to be slapped into working. I’ve had a hard time even finding pictures of it online because I forgot the model number but not taking it while we were still friends is a big regret of mine. Bigger regret than the friendship ending John go fuck yaself!!!!!!!!!!

[Anonymous No.4770576]

>>4769778
I have a white one of these and while it is a good monitor it's too small for serious play.

[Anonymous No.4770587]

>>4770530
This one is pretty baller.

Sorry for the crap image.

[Anonymous No.4770604]

This is the sexiest CRT known to man and you have no idea how much I pine for one

[Anonymous No.4770607]

>>4769769
There are plenty of sexy consumer CRTs that look like that IIRC, you don't need a PVM.

[Anonymous No.4770609]

>>4770607
He didn't post a PVM.

[Anonymous No.4770610]

>>4769769
Get something with either component or S-video.
This way you can at least experience the best that display can produce.

I have this 14-inch Samsung with component. It's great.

[Anonymous No.4770613]

>>4770604
>you have no idea how much I pine for one
Riding a time machine back to 1985 and going in stores that sell sony MSX2 computers.
>>4770610
>silvercase
Those are ugly as a sin.

[Anonymous No.4770635]

>>4770604
They're pretty good but not THAT good.

I prefer my Profeels tbqh.

[Anonymous No.4770645]

pvm 1354q here.
My screen seems too far to the left and I'm trying to adjust H Position. Service menu doesn't help.
What do?

[Anonymous No.4770675]

>>4770607
>PVM with channel buttons

Spotted the domkop

[Anonymous No.4770691]

8" PVMs are my personal favorite for desk CRT, they almost need a stand though as they're kind of stout and long and unless your desk is really large they can be kind of a pain to look at

[Anonymous No.4770707]

>>4770576
Their size are okay, they're as big as some terminal display and computer monitor, but stuff like >>4770691 are definitely too small though.

[Anonymous No.4771596]

>>4770604
How many TVL does it have? Since the aesthetics are gorgeous, and being able to use RGB SCART cables without a breakout is always a plus for owning.

[Anonymous No.4771891]

More important, which CRT TVs run at higher refresh rates than 60hz? I don't mind SCART ony accepting 480p/60, but I can't take the flickering of 60hz CRT. I have a VGA monitor that can do 180hz@800x600 which is fine, but I can only set custom timings on PC, not native Hw

[Anonymous No.4771938]

>>4771891
no retro games run at a higher refresh rates than 60hz. 100hz crt tvs are awful and dont work with lightguns.

[Anonymous No.4771953]

>>4769769
naked with electronics exposed

[Anonymous No.4771962]

>>4771938
I don't really care about light guns, I only care about flickering. Why are they awful?

[Anonymous No.4771970]

>>4771962
HD tvs and 100hz tvs post process and upscale the low res video signal and introduce lag. They are not like multisync pc crts.

[Anonymous No.4771983]

>>4771970
Well that sucks, I guess I'll stick with emulation then, thanks for your input.

[Anonymous No.4772201]

I'm going to be browsing some recycle shops to see if I can find a decent CRT. Are there any brands or particular CRTs I should keep an eye out for? Is there a particular size screen that is best?

[Anonymous No.4772214]

>>4772201
Depends entirely on your living arrangements and the type of model you’re pursuing. For instance, a 20” PVM weighs around 70 pounds thanks to using an aperture grill while monitors of similar size are noticeably lighter.

Get whatever you’d be able to carry into the room you want to put the monitor in. If going alone and up a lot of steps, would suggest not going for a monitor that weighs more than 40-50 pounds regardless of screen size.

[Anonymous No.4772216]

>>4772214
>For instance, a 20” PVM weighs around 70 pounds thanks to using an aperture grill while monitors of similar size are noticeably lighter.
Monitors of similar size without an aperture grill, that is.

[Anonymous No.4772317]

>>4771596
I've never seen a published spec for the tube but it is a Microblack "fine pitch" example so I'd estimate somewhere around 450-500tvl.

The image is quite pleasing overall.

[Anonymous No.4773818]

>>4769784
>wood grain
A man of culture.

[Anonymous No.4774419]

>>4773818
Fablonous

[Anonymous No.4776262]

>>4769972
That was inspired by the Philco Predicta. You can still find one if you want to replace all the capacitors inside something that pre-dates printed boards.

[Anonymous No.4776269]

>>4770610
Especially on the Genesis, graphics were often specifically designed to take advantage of the horizontal blur that occurs with composite or rf video.

[Anonymous No.4776271]

>>4770604
I have owned one and it isn't even in the top 10 CRTs I've owned. They're nice but so are many other CRTs.

[Anonymous No.4776280]

>>4769769

[Anonymous No.4776309]

>>4769769

[Anonymous No.4776525]

>>4769769
>What CRTs are particularly aesthetically pleasing?
Philips Somba. Smol and comfy.

[Anonymous No.4776558]

>>4776280
Vile
>>4776309
Gets a pass for Eddie Murphy but pretty crap otherwise
>>4776525
Totally unremarkable in every way

[Anonymous No.4776608]

>>4769769
/thread

[Anonymous No.4776667]

>>4776608
>bang & olufsen
Absolute perfection, but man the price tag bites.

[Anonymous No.4776792]

>>4776667
They're pretty cheap and abundant where I am.

The remotes less so.

[Anonymous No.4776812]

>>4776608
>/threading yourself
Cancer.

[Anonymous No.4776919]

>>4776608
Most of them have issues with horizontal linearity, though.

[Anonymous No.4777235]

Unironically the best looking trinitron monitor.

[Anonymous No.4777320]

>>4777235
That's not even the best looking Apple monitor. Take the fruit logo off and it could be literally any 90s mid-high range beige box.

Have some Sapper.

[Anonymous No.4777394]

>>4776269
>graphics were often specifically designed to take advantage of the horizontal blur that occurs with composite or rf video.
They weren't.

[Anonymous No.4777417]

>>4777394
Well, they were back in the early CGA days but that shit died out pretty quickly after 1985 or so.

[Anonymous No.4777434]

>>4777394

https://selectbutton.net/t/pixels-are-not-square/3212

http://alvyray.com/Memos/CG/Microsoft/6_pixel.pdf

http://retro-sanctuary.com/comparisons%20-%20differing.html

https://static.giantbomb.com/uploads/original/13/139866/2728597-batmancomparison.jpg

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/lA4TxjT0-c4/maxresdefault.jpg

http://nerdlypleasures.blogspot.com/2015/03/the-case-for-composite.html

Check out the chemical plant tubes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FkAy2whEQ8

[Anonymous No.4777446]

>>4777417
He's talking about megadrive games, not IBM PC ones.
PC game devs did take advantage of CGA composite out because despite being shit for text stuff it offered a huge advantage in term of colors available. Composite video on a megadrive offer nothing though.
>>4777434
>muh dithering
Every single dithering effect used in megadrive games were already in use in PC-88 games and some arcade games. PC-88 computers output RGB or monochrome video. Arcade boards usually output RGB, some earlier ones monochrome or the signals used to drive vector monitors. Claiming you've designed you graphics to take advantage of composite video cause you're using dithering effects is pure ignorance.

[Anonymous No.4777460]

>>4777446
>Composite video on a megadrive offer nothing though.
Tru dat.

Riddle me this, ditherfags. If Sega intended for composite to be the preferred output why did they "bless" the system with possibly the worst composite quality ever seen on a console and among the very best RGB?

[Anonymous No.4777671]

>>4777460
>tfw played megadrive on RF on a HD TV with a friend
It wasn't as bad as I expected it to be but I'd never use a setup like that again if I weren't simply dealing with it because it was at my friends house.

[Anonymous No.4777789]

>>4776280
Granny-tier

[Anonymous No.4777936]

>>4777446
>offers nothing
>composite allows actual transparencies

Yeah, you're wrong. You can go >muh PC-88 all you want but that doesn't change the fact that dithering looks better on low end signals.

[Anonymous No.4778364]

mine

[Anonymous No.4778368]

>>4778364

[Anonymous No.4778448]

80's Trinitrons with side handles are styling.

[Anonymous No.4778484]

>>4778364
I've got those same speakers, perfect for my dorm room

[Anonymous No.4778491]

>>4778364
Minimalist, very nice. As much as I love big, elaborate setups, sometimes I lile seeing stuff like this that dials it back to the point of being art within itself.

[Anonymous No.4778495]

>>4778484
niceee stay bumpin
>>4778491
all you need at the end of the day is some cables leading into the monitor.

[Anonymous No.4778497]

>>4778448
>Be me
>Work at a Goodwill back when they still took in CRTs
>Relatively strong, but crippled by Ehlers Danlos
>Management always asked me to move Trinitrons into people's cars
As much as I can respect the Trini, I've gained a new kind of disdain for them

[Anonymous No.4778525]

>>4777936
>>composite allows actual transparencies
It doesn't, transparencies effects still work on RGB. Dithering patterns being visible != them not working.
>Yeah, you're wrong. You can go >muh PC-88 all you want but that doesn't change the fact that dithering looks better on low end signals.
You got some hot opinions there, but I don't see any fact. PC-88 games are the proof that dithering techniques work well in RGB, otherwise they wouldn't have used them as much as they did (that is way more than in any megadrive game, both for transparency and as filling patterns).
Liking composite isn't an issue, but parroting some blog saying that composite is the way game graphics were supposed to be viewed using emulator screenshots as comparison is pretty damn stupid.

[Anonymous No.4778526]

>>4778364
Are you going to give us a model for your Trini? It has the same cube aesthetic most PVMs have going on, but I've never seen one with a control panel that looked like that.

[Anonymous No.4778531]

>>4778448
80s trinitron have the best looking case, 70s trinitrons being second.
>>4778364
>>4778368
Your setup looks kinda weird, something is wrong with it. Placing your computer monitor above your other monitor for example.

[Anonymous No.4778582]

>>4777235
>dude selling basically a similar model - pristine looking Dell P1110
>only 12 USD
>picture is "have a big glass of a finest bleach" overbright, aliment issues all over the place, green tinted picture in sRGB mode, picture restore can't do shit
That was physically painful to watch.

[Anonymous No.4778587]

>>4778526
BVM-20F1U or something like that.

[Anonymous No.4778738]

>>4777460
This, megadrive composite makes everything into a fuzzy ballsack.

[Anonymous No.4778739]

>>4777936
>Everything looks like shit
>But muh tuubs n waaerfalls

[Anonymous No.4779098]

>>4778739
t. emperor who bought new clothes

[Anonymous No.4779150]

>>4779098
I'll take chequered pseudo-shadows over an army of marching red ants any day.

Is all this bullshit symptomatic of a yankee stockholm syndrome brought on by poppa RCA saying all you were allowed to have on TVs in the /vr/ years was the shitty yellow peril?

[Anonymous No.4779160]

Does anyone know if this brand is any good? Never heard of them before. 10 inch monitor going for £70 including postage, is it worth it?

[Anon No.4779169]

[Anonymous No.4779179]

>>4779160
>10" monochrome Korean shit for 70 sovs

[Anonymous No.4779184]

>>4779169
Nice CCTV system

Friends or family?

[Anonymous No.4779186]

is this the crt general now?

[Anonymous No.4779194]

[babbage's gramps !RATGzMALLY No.4779441]

>>4769819
>>4776262
>>4769972
Also the Keracolor line. Featured here in one of my all time favorite ads

>>4773818
>>4774419
It just sort of happened because I didn't want to leave it behind at 99 cents and it had composite but it does make a nice cornerstone that ties my wood paneling and cubes into my electronics

[Anonymous No.4779471]

>>4770604
>>4770635
I actually searched high and low for this monitor and found the US equivalent, PVM 1390, I fucking love it.

[Anonymous No.4779473]

>>4776262
Why bother when you could just gut it and fit a superior LCD panel?

[Anonymous No.4779476]

>>4779471
Made an RGB cable for it yet?

[Anonymous No.4779486]

>>4779476
I have to get a female DB 25 to RGB Scart cable first, then a cable for PS1, Wii. That all comes to about $100. Ive been using S Video cause $10 for PS1/Wii combined

Also have a 20M2MDU that I use component on. I can imagine RGB looks that much better

[Anonymous No.4779510]

>>4779486
>that geometry

Oh dear...

[Anonymous No.4779529]

>>4779510
This was before I decided to open it up and adjust it. Its perfect now except for horizontal size, couldnt find the adjustment for it, really sucks.

[Anonymous No.4779639]

>>4772317
Found it!

450tvl as I initially suspected.

[Anonymous No.4779781]

>friend shows me pvm with rgb input
>looks exactly the same as emulator on oled
What's the point?

[Anonymous No.4779819]

>>4779781
>things_that_never_happened.txt

[Anonymous No.4780178]

>>4779819
Yeah, PVM owners don't have friends.

[Anonymous No.4780182]

>cancer ray tube

[Anonymous No.4780463]

>>4776558
Your opinion is so fucking shit.

[Anonymous No.4780526]

Wood grain Sony Trinitron or GTFO.

[Anonymous No.4780530]

>>4779473
Blasphemy.

[Anonymous No.4780545]

>>4779473
Heh, my bro got me a signed lithograph of that picture from the guy who made it. I have it above my comfy grandpa chair.

[Anonymous No.4781063]

>>4780463
Your post is so fucking bumangry.

>>4780530
IKR? Why add all that bulk around a lovely slim LCD, it's retarded.

>>4780545
Did you frame it and hang it in the toilet? I'd definitely hang it in the toilet.

[Anonymous No.4781529]

>>4779473
saved for the next gore/cringe thread

[Anonymous No.4782349]

It also has an the best commercial.
https://youtu.be/GKtRP3p0_nU

[Anonymous No.4783802]

I know they're generally shitty displays, but I've always liked the aesthetic of CRT/VCR combos, or even the DVD combos later on.

[Anonymous No.4783810]

>>4782349
Weaksauce

https://youtu.be/Iow_ts0y_7c

[Anonymous No.4784803]

>>4783810
But I actually have the one from my commercial.

[Anonymous No.4784942]

>>4781063
>Trashing something my brother gave me as a gift
No, I'd never do that. I guess that's what separates us, I'm not a cynical dick. Then again, look where I am.

[Anonymous No.4785072]

>>4784803
As do I :-)

[Anonymous No.4785075]

>>4784942
What?

The toilet is the best place for your family and guests to admire artwork. It is a place of contemplation.

[Anonymous No.4785083]

>>4785072
You've made it. Good job.

[Anonymous No.4785114]

>>4785083
Not him, but here they're not that hard to come by at a decent price (less than 70€). Usually there's at least one listed for a price around 50€ on the local selling website (that's how much I paid for mine). Too bad I can't say the same about those PVM-2730QM (those are pretty damn overpriced).
Now the only thing I need for it is a remote.

[Anonymous No.4785118]

>>4785114
I paid £5 for it.

My 2950qm cost £40 though...

[Anonymous No.4785128]

>>4785118
£5 for a profeel monitor? Nice. That's the kind of price you would have expected for a kx14cp1 3~4 years ago here (it's not the case anymore though), but kx21 and 27 monitors have alway been listed for at least 40€.

[Anonymous No.4785146]

>>4785128
My KX14-CP1 was actually the highest price I've paid for a CRT, £70.

Picked up a BVM-20F1E for £10 though so overall I'm still in the black.

[Anonymous No.4785168]

>>4785146
I could never bring me to pay that much for a kx14cp1, not after losing so many opportunies to get it between 5 and 15€ (they were sold by people at the other side of the country). There was some cheap one sold for 20€ last november, but I contacted the seller a too late. But now the last one that have been listed was going for 300€, I hope the next one to appear wont have such a ridiculous price.