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4729627 No.4729627 [Reply] [Original]

was it a mistake?

>> No.4729630

>>4729627
I see multiple mistakes in that picture. To which specifically are you referring?

>> No.4729647

Not at all. Every video game company (and even non-video game companies) we're jumping on the CD/Multimedia bandwagon at the time. It was the "future" after all. Can't even fault the amount of FMV games on the system, because that's what was in demand. Gamers/Enthusiasts wanted something to show off the technology.

The mistake was the price tag and timing. Parents weren't likely to spend another 300.00 on a peripheral when they likely just bought their kids a Genesis/SNES the year prior,

>> No.4729653

>>4729630
sega fags on suicide watch

>> No.4729658

>>4729630
>Motorola CPU
>Mistake
n*Ntendoids folks

>> No.4729667

>>4729647
A mistake that could have worked is still a mistake.

>> No.4729669

FMV games were a mistake. One little scratch on the disc and the whole game was rendered unplayable.

>> No.4729679

>>4729627
Discs in general were a mistake.

>> No.4729710

>>4729627
ultimately, yes, but

>sewer shark
>sonic cd
>basically mk the arcade version when having full-fledged arcade games at home wasn't trivial

it was a mistake, but it was a fun mistake. kinda like dreamcast.

>> No.4729723

>>4729679
This

>> No.4729732

>>4729627
No. I enjoyed the Sega CD for what it was. It had Batman Returns, Sonic CD, Final Fight CD and many other non-FMV based titles. The mistake were the FMV games because they're boring as hell and didn't show the true capabilities of the Sega CD.

>> No.4729737

>>4729627
PS3 when it first came out had $900 worth of hardware in it for $600. It had a PS2 in it to play the old games.

Sega should have took a loss on the hardware and made up the difference with the cheaper to produce software.

They needed to do business like the printer companies.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHX6tHdQGiQ

>> No.4729742

>>4729732
What was the points of CDs then? Better music?
It's not like Genesis games were struggling to fit in cartridges.

>> No.4729747

desu games haven't justified all the glitz they make em with nowadays.

fuck it. cd-quality music is all you need.

>> No.4729754

>>4729658
Even an experienced driver can crash and burn in a porsche 911.

>> No.4729772
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4729772

>>4729627
I loved it, but yes.

>> No.4729793

>>4729710
The Dreamcast was not a mistake.
The 32X was a mistake.
The Saturn's western marketing was a mistake.
The Dreamcast was relatively successful until the PS2 came and bitchslapped it out of relevancy.
Even without the PS2 and Gamecube happening, the amount of money that SEGA bled from those first two mistakes meant that there was no way that the Dreamcast could save them.

>> No.4729803

>>4729737
They didn't pay $900 for each console. Industry insiders have alleged that they were only taking $50-$125 baths on each console and only then for about a year. PS3 turned profitable after three years or so.
Mods feel free to delete this post for offtopic if you want.

>> No.4729841

>>4729627
Its black, of course its a mistake.

>> No.4729893

>>4729803
https://youtu.be/NuYonZaiV8k?t=9m52s

>> No.4729939

>>4729710
>mk the arcade version
i.e. the genesis garbage port with the same backgrounds with 64 amazing colors and awkward pauses in the game when doing fatalities, when shang tsung morphed etc.

>> No.4729954

>>4729939
They couldn't even get the damn music tracks in the correct places.
Mortal Kombat on Sega CD really WAS shit.

>> No.4730008

>>4729627
There's about a dozen great exclusives on there so no.

>> No.4730045

>>4729679
Yes we need cartridges back, even hudson cards were nice

>> No.4730203

>>4730045
Switch uses cartridges.
But the fucking kike third parties buy the cheapest ones possible and make you download the rest.

>> No.4730220

>>4730203
Didn't they make them small enough to swallow, then workaround the problem by devising a nontoxic agent that tastes bitter so toddlers will spit it out, rather than just put the SD card in a gameboy-cart sized shell?

>> No.4730234

>>4730220
They've been using tiny carts ever since the DS and arguably GBA and it's only now suddenly a problem.

>> No.4730240

>>4730234
True, I don't recall anyone bitching about the DS carts being a choking hazard, but seriously what fat kid is gonna choke on a GBA cart?

>> No.4730241

>>4729742
The point was to add more power to the Genesis. Sega CD did more than just better music, it gave us video intros, better graphics capabilities(as seen in Sonic CD) and arcade perfect ports.

>> No.4730271

>>4730203
>>4730203
Jezz, why can't those companies just sell high performance flash memory cards for the same price of rom disks, amiright?

>> No.4730273

>>4730241
>arcade perfect ports

Of what? Flicky? Yes, technically there are arcade perfect ports on the system. No, they don't require any additional hardware to do.

The Sega CD adds a faster processor and true sprite scaling capabilities, but everything is bottlenecked.

>> No.4730285

>>4730271
According to an industry insider, an 8GB Switch cart costs roughly the same as a Blu-ray disc.
Ubisoft bought the one that was cheaper than that and compressed Rayman Legends to fit onto it instead of buying the 8GB.
But no, the third parties could never be at fault.

>> No.4730287

>>4729710
>Sewer Shark
>fun
Ayyylmao

>> No.4730303

>>4729669
>FMV games were a mistake. One little scratch on the disc and the whole game was rendered unplayable.

Blame Sega of America for pushing the FMV games. They did so, because it was hard to advertise the capabilities of the Sega CD when 2D games still generally looked like Sega Genesis games.

>>4730241
>better graphics capabilities(as seen in Sonic CD) and arcade perfect ports.

The Sega CD does have built-in sprite scaling and mode 7-like capabilities. This video shows off the hardware capabilities:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k80dODWdj9I

But there are some good games for the Sega CD. Popful Mail, Snatcher, Silpheed, Lunar 1 and 2, Shining Force CD, Sonic CD, Robo Aleste, Soul Star, Earthworm Jim: Special Edition and a some others.

>> No.4730626

>>4730285
>According to an industry insider, an 8GB Switch cart costs roughly the same as a Blu-ray disc.

It amuses me that you don't see the fault in this. That difference is outrageous.

It also amuses me that people want carts back under the belief that it will somehow make game production better or eliminate load times.

>> No.4730638

>>4730626

I just like carts. Easier to handle and they taste good.

>> No.4730641

>>4729627

I think it would have been cool if instead of release a bunch of addons for the Genesis, they waited a Genesis 2 with 32 bit graphics and a CD drive. That would have been neat.

>> No.4730646

>>4729647
Just because everyone else was doing it doesn't make it right. It was a mistake. They should have kept on with the base model genesis and use in-cart add-on chips like Nintendo did with the Super FX (they actually did do this with some carts, but they should have done it more).

At the same time they could have hyped the Saturn for the future and people would actually be excited about it on release.

>> No.4730698

>>4730646
People weren't uninterested in the Saturn because of a Genesis addon that was released in 1991. They were uninterested because it was incredibly expensive and had no killer apps. It had a bunch of multiplats that looked a bit better on the Playstation.

Most of the cool Sega CD games wouldn't be possible on a stock genesis with an addon chip.

>> No.4730706

>>4729627
No, the mega CD wasn't a mistake. THe FMV shit was, but not the system. There are enough good games on it to prove that it wasn't.

>> No.4731596

>>4730626
Carts are better for longevity's sake. Which is the only reason I give two fucks about carts vs discs.

>> No.4731891 [DELETED] 

>>4729627
I don't think so. The PC-Engine had a lot of great CD-ROM games at the time, and it was a way for the Genesis to stay relevant alongside its competition from both NEC and Nintendo. I really like the games released for the addon.

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4731895

I don't think so. The PC-Engine had a lot of great CD-ROM games at the time, and it was a way for the Genesis to stay relevant alongside its competition from both NEC and Nintendo. I really like the games released for the addon.

>> No.4731897

>>4729841
This.

>> No.4732096
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4732096

Night Trap is going to be on a cartridge now.
Talk about surreal.

>> No.4732105

>>4729627
If i had to choose an add-on that makes your existing console better, or buying a whole new console

i'd go with the add-on. I like the idea of PS4Pro, but making your fanbase re-buy a whole new console is kind of lame

>> No.4732152
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4732152

>>4729627
Look at this shit. Is it any surprise Sega had to stop making consoles?

>> No.4732161

>>4732152
i think it looks pretty cool actually. maybe not the 32x, but the CD looks nice when attached, especially the model 1

>> No.4732191
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4732191

>>4732152
What's wrong with it? Shit's slick.

>> No.4732194

>>4732152
Noice

>> No.4732213

>>4732161
>>4732191
>>4732194
Sega quickly abandoned both the CD and 32x. Then they also quickly abandoned the Saturn. People rightfully did not trust them anymore at that point.

>> No.4732218

>>4732213
yeah, but the guy was acting like its failure was due to the poor design and aesthetic, rather than the company not standing behind their products.

>> No.4732276

>>4732218
Apple does the same thing and relies solely on aesthetics

>> No.4732301

>>4730273

>Of what?

Final Fight CD. This is how I know you don't know anything.

>> No.4732416

>>4729627
>all the power of the genesis with the storage space of a CD
>mistake
no, but the devs certainly fucked it up

>> No.4732445

All the CD games looked like barely improved genesis games or were FMV. I really dont see why someone would have bought this for 300$ new when the SNES was cheaper,looked roughly the same as the CD and had a way better library. The

>> No.4732535

>>4730203
Nintendo died for me since the wii, I remember seeing that announcement of the Rockman collection and seeing that you need to download half of them, really disgusting

>> No.4732587

>>4732096
>Night Trap will never be on a Nintendo Console - Howard Lincoln

>> No.4732590

>>4732152
Looks cool to me.

>> No.4732602

>>4729630
The only problem I see is the headphone jack on the OG Genesis. Sure it seemed cool at the time and showed off the newfangled stereo sound but it really should've came out the back.
>>4729742
CDs were a helluva lot cheaper to produce than a cartridge along with having much more storage. A big RPG which would need a $90 cartridge could be handily sold for only $50.

>> No.4732726
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4732726

it's kinda like the wii in that there was a lot of gimmicky shovelware but also some great games that took full advantage of the hardware or were greatly improved by the benefits of cd storage

pic related

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4732742

>>4732105

>> No.4732743

>>4732602
>but it really should've came out the back.
But that gives you even less space to work with when you plug in your headphones.

>> No.4732983

>32x release date: November 21, 1994
>Saturn release date: November 22, 1994
This was the biggest mistake by far

>> No.4733024

>>4729627
yep, "genesis" was a mistake, should have kept it's real name.

>> No.4733039

>>4729647
Holy shit, the SegaCD was $300 bucks at launch? Sorry dad.

>> No.4733054

>>4732983
This is accurate.

>> No.4733252

>>4732161
I loved how the genesis reset button opened the tray on the model 1

>> No.4733414

>>4732743
I'm saying the headphone port was a stupid gimmick and that the A/V out on the back should've been given stereo instead.

>> No.4733474

>>4733414
So you're saying they should have gone with a proprietary A/V connector instead of the standard of they used that worked with multiple consoles from multiple companies and not just added a 3.5mm jack on the front that let's you do stereo to everything including headphones? Well hot damn son. It's a shame you weren't around back then. Sega could have hired you to design things and failed even quicker.

>> No.4733498

Dayum son
I rember playin my old sega
Talkin bout blue hedgehogs n foxes flyin around n sheeeiit
Fuck dat gay ass Robot Nick btw

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4733505

>>4729627
Since /v/ doesn't care and probably because they are too young to care, what does /vr/ think of the Razor? Do you guys have any hope of a Sega comeback?

>> No.4733607

>>4733505
What do you think about the Coleco Chameleon?

>> No.4733639
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4733639

>>4729647

There was never really a demand for FMV-based-games, it was more like a manufactured trend based around deceptive marketing that imploded as soon as people actually got to play the games and realized they were shit no matter how cool they looked.

If there were an actual demand for FMV games all the cd-based add-ons would have sold much better. Thank god by the next generation developers took the hint and went back to emphasizing traditional games while still utilizing the advantages of the format.

>> No.4733684

>>4729939
>>4729954
to be fair there was no good port of MK1

SNES looked great and sounded decent but it was censored and controls were sluggish.

Genesis might have le gore,but it looked like putrid garish shit with tiny sprites, average music (not terrible but not that great either) and too much grey and high contrast graphics, looked like should have been on the PC Engine or the Amiga (and the PC engine had a sweet SF2 port).

Sega CD was just an improvement ROM hack of the genesis port and nothing else.

>> No.4733692

>>4730641
that was called the Saturn and they fucked it up even if the Japanese like it.

>> No.4733693

>>4732213
The CD was supported well into 1995 when it was dropped at the same time as the genesis, stop perpetuating this meme

>> No.4733745

>>4729627
it actually had a lot of great games, the fmv ones actually being the worst games on the console

>Sonic CD
>Road Rash
>Secret of Monkey Island
>The best version of The Terminator
>The best version of Another World
>The best version of Snatcher

>> No.4733856

Kinda

>> No.4733857

>>4733693
What are some high profile Sega titles on the Sega CD after Sonic CD?

>> No.4733862

>>4732983
this is the only time you haven't been a piece of shit. good work, tripfag