Before the tube, there were these blocks

[Anonymous No.4729275]

Definite, undeniable proof that gamers indeed were smarter back then. Modern gamers would have no idea to use missiles here.

[Anonymous No.4729285]

>>4729275
Another /vr/ thread about modern gamers?? This board is surreal.

[Anonymous No.4729306]

>>4729285
But let's be honest, quite a lot of gamers back then were confused of this part. Prior to this, only the beam weapon and bombs were used to break open new paths, with just the latter used for walls and such. And then the game throws this in your face, with zero hints or foreshadowing anywhere, and shooting or bombing the blocks does nothing. Super metroid at least had the common courtesy of revealing the type of breakable blocks upon bombing them. In M2, nothing.

[Anonymous No.4729313]

>>4729275
Unless it's your first Metroid game, you should just be in the mindset to use everything you have on every tile if you find yourself stuck.
It's not about being smarter or newer gamers being dumbers, it's just bad game design that we've become accustomed to because it really isn't that immersion breaking and it's become something to expect from the genre over the course of decades.

[Anonymous No.4729316]

>>4729306
I remember being stuck a little, but you only have a handful of options at your disposal so it's hard to imagine anyone being stuck that long.

[Anonymous No.4729324]

>>4729285
This board is just /v/ for people who think of themselves too high.

[Anonymous No.4729343]

>>4729324
Yep. Reading their threads a lot of them don't even seem to love old games that much, they just hate everything new.

[Anonymous No.4729347]

>>4729275
Again with your modern gamer bogeyman? Every time a gamer of any age comes up with a different-looking wall the first instinct is to BLOW IT THE FUCK UP.

[Anonymous No.4729385]

>>4729347
But how do you make Metroid crawl?

[Anonymous No.4731068]

>>4729385
You cut out it's fly bladder then all it can do is crawl around on it's claws

[Anonymous No.4731080]

>look, I made another thread again pretending an obvious thing is cryptic

kys

[Anonymous No.4731106]

>>4729275
There's no proof any one ever got past this without a guide.

[Anonymous No.4731117]

>>4731106
I did it without a guide and know several others at least who did. But I also knew a kid who returned 2 copies of the first game to the store because he got stuck after getting the morph ball but not knowing how to use it. He was 13 at the time.

Stupid pops up in all eras.

[Anonymous No.4731120]

>>4731117
That's not proof, that's you making a claim on the internet.

[Anonymous No.4731157]

>>4729275
There was a different mentality surrounding video games. People were more willing to try out random shit to progress because we were encouraged to. As game design evolved, it got more specialized, and it got to the point where players were used to only experimenting or doing things when they are told. When we see a roadblock like that nowadays, we stop for a moment because we assume if we were able to do something here, the game would tell us, so we don't just suddenly decide to waste a shot of every ammo we have just in hopes that one of them will work.

[Anonymous No.4732040]

>>4731120
You weren't seriously asking for actual proof though. Obviously plenty of people beat it without a guide. But the important point is that there will always be people too stupid to beat any given game.

I also got my copy of Super Empire in a really sweet trade because the dude who owned it before me sucked and could never get past Dagobah.

[Anonymous No.4732062]

>proof they weren't

[Anonymous No.4733192]

>>4732062
>anyone had problems passing this more than ten years ago
lol

[Anonymous No.4733195]

>>4733192
The cheat line had its own section for it. Get fucked.

[Anonymous No.4733257]

>>4732040
I wasn't asking for proof, simply stating that there is none.

[Anonymous No.4733264]

>>4731106
The only game that I dont believe people when they say they solved the puzzle without a guide is Castlevania 2. Especially on this board.

I beat this game on a road trip from Washington State to Arkansas with my parents, but I had already beat Super Metroid and knew to try everything.

[Anonymous No.4733308]

>>4733257
Well why bother stating something that's that obvious in the first place?

[Anonymous No.4733312]

>>4733264
I solved it without a guide, but I was told about kneeling with the crystal, that bit had me stuck. Other than that It's not super obtuse, especially when you have loads of time on your hands.

[Anonymous No.4734008]

>>4733264
I never said I don't believe them.

>>4733308
Isn't that what most people here do if they're not trying to argue for the sake of argument? Why single me out?

[Anonymous No.4734073]

>>4734008
Because you keep doubling down on what was a dumb comment and it's funny.

[Anonymous No.4735370]

>>4732040
Damn, the poor guy never even made it to the Bespin levels where the bullshittery starts ramping up in any significant way.

[Anonymous No.4735591]

>>4734073
It's true. There is no proof.

[Anonymous No.4735634]

>>4735370
Yeah it was sad. I thought the game was a good challenge, but nowhere near unbeatable. I'd played the hell out if the first one though. So it was a good deal for me.

>>4735591
Well, keep chasing that rainbow or whatever then lol

[Anonymous No.4735641]

>>4729324
the first 6 months of this board were awesome. ID software threads, GCCX threads, /vr/ gauntlet progress reports, actual fun discussion.

then fucking neo-v showed up and everyone fucking fights and acts like shitheads because they hate their own board and can't even contain their disdain for games anymore and have to come here and argue with a bunch of chill dads because it's a fucking echo chamber over there.

[Anonymous No.4735681]

>>4735641
lol

[Anonymous No.4735689]

>>4735641
all those threads always sucked shit. what are you talking about

[Anonymous No.4735692]

>>4735634
>Well, keep chasing that rainbow or whatever then lol
What rainbow?

[Anonymous No.4735741]

>>4735634
You have to play these games a lot. I have beaten both Star Wars and Jedi, but never Empire. I never had that one as a kid, and now it annoys me way too much to really try. It has that annoying ice sliding bullshit that drives me crazy in games.

[Anonymous No.4735747]

>>4735692
I don't know, a rainbow of disbelief or something? Whatever it is you're yammering about why you want proof.

[Anonymous No.4735764]

>>4735741
Yeah I had played SSW many many times because it's relatively short so I think I was very used to the way they play. And I traded for a deck of Magic cards I also got mostly for free and rarely used, so that along with his declaration that it was too hard made me pretty enthusiastic.

I did enjoy it, but didn't replay it nearly as much as Star Wars and then only actually rented Jedi to play through.

[Anonymous No.4735847]

>>4735747
I don't want proof, I'm just saying there is none.

[Anonymous No.4735861]

>>4735847
Yeah and I'm continually baffled that you keep bringing it up so I assume you're after something ephemeral like a rainbow or some shit. It's just surreal and kinda funny.

[Anonymous No.4735867]

>>4735861
You're obviously confused so I'm trying to help you to understand.

[Anonymous No.4735883]

>>4735867
Okay, help away. So you say you already know that no one can prove they didn't need a guide for Metroid 2 when it came out... what's the purpose for bringing it up then?

[Anonymous No.4735929]

Definite, undeniable proof that gamers indeed were smarter back then. Modern gamers would have no idea to use missiles here.

[Anonymous No.4735978]

>>4735929
Hey, another anon that gets it!
Of course modern gamers would have no idea, since the game doesn't start with a ten-minute tutorial, and after getting off your ship pop up helpful tips about stuff like whether to go left or right after going down the first shaft on SR388, or mentioning that missiles are super effective against the Metroids.

[Anonymous No.4735984]

>>4735883
Just to state the obvious.

[Anonymous No.4735994]

>>4729275
Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't those rocks make a different when shot with the beam?

[Anonymous No.4736025]

>>4735984
The irony being that it's obvious tons of people did.

[Anonymous No.4736036]

It’s not a matter of intelligence, it’s more about conditioning. If you grew up with a decade of “retro” game design, all of the tricks and concepts and how they’re often handled by developers are totally ingrained in your head. It’s become second nature to know when a specific design premise is being used and the general methods of approaching it.

A lot of these design principals are considered antiquated and no longer used, meaning people who didn’t grow up with these types of games don’t have that same level of intuition. In most modern games, if you can do something you’re often told you can do it when relevant. If you’re not straight up told it’s possible then you assume it’s not or don’t bother to consider it. This doesn’t translate well to older games.

The other issue is that an entire generation’s collective attention span has completely been destroyed by the Internet-age. When everything is on demand, you don’t need to allocate a lot of attention to any single one thing. This is also probably a big contributing factor to why modern games are designed the way they are, because they’re competing with endless amounts of other sources of entertainment that the user can access on a whim. Anything that may require more attention and effort is easily discarded for something else. So when a user comes up to something they’re not used to and don’t otherwise have an easy out, they’ve no drive or reason to put effort into figuring it out

So not really intelligence, just a massive shift in culture and convenience

[Anonymous No.4736048]

>>4736025
I believe thatc but there's no proof.

[Anonymous No.4736050]

>>4736048
lol

[Anonymous No.4736063]

>/vr/

[Anonymous No.4736080]

>>4736036
You have a bit of a point but modern gamers also wouldn't get stuck at OP's pick unless they were retarded and there have always been people like that. Guy I knew back then returned Metroid 1 TWICE saying it was broken because he couldn't figure out the morph ball in the first two minutes of the game.

Also the modern popularity of genres like roguelikes, sims, fighting games and other competitive games shows there is also still a large base of players who like to sink their teeth into a meaty learning experience.

But these days there are so many games made for so many different kinds of gamers, many of whom see them just as casual entertainments. So I can see hiw it may look that way on average.

[Anonymous No.4736852]

>>4736048