Shining Force General

[Anonymous No.4717724]

Shining Force General

What is up with this line. That's like the most offensive line I've ever seen in a video game, especially considering how casually he says it. Please tell me that's a shitty translation.

Also, I just found a Quick Chicken. Should I save stat boost items for after class promotions?

Also what level should I do promotions anyway?

[Anonymous No.4717745]

>>4717724
>Should I save stat boost items for after class promotions?
no just give them all to Bowie or Sarah

You could use them to cover up the weaknesses of another character, but there are enough characters that don't have weaknesses that you should never have to.

[Anonymous No.4717770]

I recently played SF2 for the first time.

If you are playing on normal, i'd recommend just promoting at lv.20. It's fairly easy, and overpowering might ruin the fun.

Stats do reset after promotion, so you'd waste the chicken.
However, a +4 boost is massive early on, so that's a tough call.
I've heard arguments both ways.

[Anonymous No.4717774]

>>4717724
I don't see the problem here. You must not love America.

[Anonymous No.4717790]

>>4717770
>Stats do reset after promotion, so you'd waste the chicken.

I just googled that and it seems that you retain all stats when promoting, EXCEPT the pimento beans or something. So it's safe to use everything else except the pimento beans (+2 movement).

[Anonymous No.4717949]

>>4717724
SF2 is terrible in terms of both gameplay and writing. The battles are dull as fuck and the writing was intolerable even for elementary school children. It was a huge decline in quality relative to the first game. I recommend you skip over it and play SFCD.

[Anonymous No.4718143]

>>4717790
Wow, never knew that! Thank you for the info.

[Anonymous No.4718148]

>>4717949
Somebody here doesn't have the attitude of a soldier

[Anonymous No.4718153]

>>4717790
Yeah this is because some classes change their movement on promotion (Monster, Baron), and since it doesn't grow naturally it goes to a set value.

>>4717949
The Shining series was never about the story. It was always barebones and simple.

[Anonymous No.4718576]

>>4717949
>>4718153
SF2 is much more refined as a game though. However, both games were pretty unbalanced. You could just level Peter or Sarah to pretty much one man the entire battle.

[Anonymous No.4718609]

The 3 SFIII games are the only SF games that I truly enjoyed in the series. I didn't like some of the maps in 1, 2, and CD. Moving through huge forests and deserts for multiple turns was just tedious

[Anonymous No.4718630]

>>4717949
The random battles and backtracking and limited secret mithril all pissed me off. Also the world building doesn't feel as good.

[Anonymous No.4719352]

>>4717724
>What is up with this line. That's like the most offensive line I've ever seen in a video game, especially considering how casually he says it. Please tell me that's a shitty translation.
You can make up your own "fix" for this line so that it's no longer offensive and publish it as a retranslation patch.
That's what everyone is doing these days.
Woosley fans missing his lines,
"Samus is Trans, Link is Female, Nintendo censored it" fans,
weaboo fans,
offended fans, et ceaetera.

[Anonymous No.4719367]

>>4717724
It's more the directness doesn't come off as well in English. Shining Force 2 had a good translation aside from some nonsensical name changes, but the nature of the ROM means there is a hard limit on how much space names and shit can take up. When I was doing a romhack to de-shrink the class names I ran into this limit and fixing it would've involved having to cannibalize other names. It's likely they ran into this issue as the class field can handle about nine or ten letters and cut down some character names in the process.

[Anonymous No.4719430]

>>4718630
You get enough mithrils to make equipments to everyone in your active party, different from the original SF where you get just one Valkyrie and every other knight is stuck with a much inferior Halberd, and birdmen are bounded to eternelly suck by the simple fact that the only half-decent sword comes and will stay with Musashi.

[Anonymous No.4719614]

OP here. I'm going to just promote everyone at level 25. But I'll promote the healers at 40 since they can boost. I'll just use save states to get the best mithril weapons early on. I don't plan on getting everyone to level 99 except Karna (and Sheela maybe). So the extra 15 levels from getting to 40 unpromoted doesn't matter to me. I'll probably just get Karna to level 99 and solo the rest of the game with her.

[Anonymous No.4719651]

>>4719614
Nice try, but OP is clearly playing the game for the first time and barely know how the mechanisms work.

[Anonymous No.4719823]

>TFW stuck with some shitty narcoleptic princess instead of being able to get best elf.

[Anonymous No.4719828]

>>4719823
On top of cucking your dwarf friend.

[Anonymous No.4719862]

>>4719367
Why did the character names have to be written in ALL CAPS though? Besides looking stupid, it also spoils any surprise as to who may join your party. The moment someone first mentions LEMON or SLADE you know they're gonna join you at some point, while you always know that Oddeye will never join you.

[Anonymous No.4721984]

what a weird coincidence. I never come to /vr/ and the one time i do i see a thread for a game i just started playing.

Playing SF2 for the first time, just recruited Slade and am going back to the first city after getting arrested. Really fun game so far. Planning to play shining force exa and shining blade after sf3 and sf featherl

[Anonymous No.4722310]

>>4719430
in the first sf you get a copy of that sword from killing a random durahan and can egress and keep killing that dude for multiple copies of it, but even then the birds are just lower stats sword guys

[Anonymous No.4722339]

>>4717724
Shining force? More like Shining WEAK, especially considering DUAL ORB 2 came out few years later

[Anonymous No.4722342]

>>4717724
>That's like the most offensive line I've ever seen in a video game
You haven't played too many video games I take it?

Mario 2's manual has way more offensive sh** than this, and that's an E-rated game.

[Anonymous No.4722349]

>>4719862
Yeah there was no excuse for that, technical or practical. Even with the odd text compression restrictions the game had the names were called via strings.

[Anonymous No.4722352]

>>4722342
>sh**
>All this fucking swearing on this Greek Mathematical Board

[Anonymous No.4723401]

>>4719823
>ywn steal Janet just to ruin as many peoples' endings as possible

[Anonymous No.4724060]

>>4719430
Birdmen are still awful in SF2.

Is there any truth to grinding Jogurt (SF) or Kiwi(SF2) to be any good. I did end up promoting Kiwi into some huge Kaiju thing, but he was still pretty average.

[Anonymous No.4724078]

>>4718153
>The Shining series was never about the story.
dude, just, fuck you.
1 was epic and well told.

[Anonymous No.4724138]

>>4724060
No they're terrible. Birdmen are awful in SF3 too. Don't use meme characters.

[Anonymous No.4724169]

>>4724078
SF is literally those angry bird threads /v/ had turned in a video game.
Playing it again I couldn't help but laugh at how uninspired it was. The irony makes it somewhat amusingly though.

[Anonymous No.4724670]

>>4724138
They're not great, but if you get them to a decent level in SF3 at least their mobility is helpful in certain maps by flying over otherwise impassable terrain.
Good to punch thieves to get treasure without killing them too.

[Anonymous No.4725834]

OP here.

Beat the game (Shining Force 2) last night. Some thoughts...

1) Karna was as overpowered as I expected, but Slade with the Gisarme turned out to be the best character in the game. Slade was a solid member since I got him, and became a top 3 member with a promotion (which lets him use swords) and became the best with the Gisarme and Pimento, making him an assassin who could jump all over the map and one-shot enemies by himself. My main 4 characters were Karna, Slade, Bowie, and Peter. Everyone else was pretty much unnecessary and I didn't even bother promoting most characters.

2) The random battles were fucking stupid and annoying. Bad addition. The first game never had them.

3) The randomness of getting mithril weapons is fucking stupid and annoying. Without save states, it's fucking retarded to get the weapons you want.

Glad I finally finished this game. It's been bugging me that I never got around to playing this game, but I'm finally done with it. Overall, it's a good game, but I absolutely would never play it again, mainly due to #2 and #3.

[Anonymous No.4725867]

>>4724060
jogurt never gains stats no matter how much you level him

kiwi begins gaining massive amounts of attack and HP if you overlevel him pre promotion, however because he has a special fire breath attack that does fixed damage he is still not very good as he uses this more and more based on how high his level is

[Anonymous No.4725875]

>>4725834
The battles aren't random there is some "special" tiles that activate that battle every time.

>>4725867
>kiwi begins gaining massive amounts of attack and HP
Attack, yes, but he still has less HP than most 20/20 warriors at 40/20.

[Anonymous No.4726747]

>>4725875
>The battles aren't random there is some "special" tiles that activate that battle every time.
Those tiles have only a random chance of activating them.

[Anonymous No.4726775]

I think I triggered one or two random battles the first time I played SFII. I didn't even realize they existed until near the end game.
Makes me wonder what the hell people are doing to point it as a major problem of the game.

[Anonymous No.4726838]

>>4725867
Promoted Kiwi also ignores alot of terrain mp loss, IIRC.

>>4725834
>My main 4 characters were Karna, Slade, Bowie, and Peter. Everyone else was pretty much unnecessary and I didn't even bother promoting most characters.

The only thing that isn't universal about your experience is that some people dismiss Slade pre promotion. Gerhalt is also super powerful.

Mae, Tana, Higgins and Lemon are second tier. Basically forget everyone else.

[Anonymous No.4726970]

>>4726747
Now I'm weirded, it's like I never missed having to do the elf village battle if I dared to walk one step left after leaving the village, and things like that.

>>4726775
They're always in the most obvious path from the village to the objective, you probably backtracked little.

>>4726838
The most forgotten beast is always Frayja, because he comes so late and is the only healer that isn't a cute girl.

[Anonymous No.4726975]

I played Shining Force 1 as a young child and really enjoyed it but I haven't played it since. It's been years. Should I revisit this? What's it do great?

[Anonymous No.4727000]

>>4726970
>The most forgotten beast is always Frayja, because he comes so late and is the only healer that isn't a cute girl.
He doesn't get Boost or Slow so he's garbage

[Anonymous No.4727110]

Are the PAL mega drive versions of Shining Force safe to buy?

[Anonymous No.4728050]

>>4726975
One of the better soundtracks of the 16 bit era.

>>4727000
He gets Aura. That takes healing duty off your Master Monks.

You get access to all of the characters at Creed's Mansion later on... I want to say after you can travel between continents. Of them, only Karna is actually worth it. Eric is... ok in a field of too many Centaurs. I want to say he's the high attack one. You could make Randolph a Summoner if you wait, which is a slightly better option than being Freeze 4 guy.

[Anonymous No.4728081]

>>4728050
Once you have Bowie, Sarah, Peter, Slade, Karna, Kazim and Mae, who are basically indisputable, that's only like 3 slots left. Personally, my only recommendation is that you don't take a character like kiwi whose constantly a burden or anyone with terrible range and movement, because they will hold the movement of your entire squad back

[Anonymous No.4728102]

>>4728081
>that's only like 3 slots left
5.

[Anonymous No.4728124]

>>4728102
that really seems like too many

sasuga kusoge

[Anonymous No.4728206]

>>4728081
I always take Kiwi. He's slow but I like him anyways.

[Anonymous No.4728289]

>>4728206
Kiwi is weak.
Kiwi has low HP and thus is super vulnerable to magic.
Kiwi is not slow though.

[Anonymous No.4728336]

>>4728289
By slow I mean his movement always seemed really limited. I played through the game twice but that was a number of years ago now and always took him when I could. He was never super useful but didn't feel like a burden either.

[Anonymous No.4728338]

>>4728336
He gains the Hover type when promoted, which unlike Flying allows him to benefit from Land Effect. The fact flying has 0% land effect is part of the reason birdmen are so fragile.

[Anonymous No.4728359]

>>4728338
Interesting I never really noticed. Maybe it's time to replay the game.

[Anonymous No.4728387]

>>4728338
>Promote Rick or Eric to pegasus knight
>They are more vulnerable now, but they also earn a bit more of defense when leveling up
>Promote Chester to pegasus knight
>Not only he becomes more vulnerable, but he also earns less defense when leveling up.
What the hell, Camelot? I just wanted to give a special class to all my classmate friends.

[Anonymous No.4728585]

>>4717724
I always just took this as showing what a jerk he could be but it'd be interesting to go through the original dialogue and see the text changes actually.

[Anonymous No.4728668]

*learns Bolt 1 when you're about to beat the game*

[Anonymous No.4728709]

>>4728668
Trying to use Arthur was the worst decision I've ever made in SF.
Apparently he becomes the best knight if you go all the way up to level 20 before promoting, and so I did. Arthur really became the best knight, but by a margin so insignificant it barely feel worth.
Plus promoting my characters that late in the game made me lose massive stats, and the game became unplayable.

I'm never powergaming SF again.

[Anonymous No.4729969]

>>4728709
Yeah, Arthur really isn't worth the time investment.

[Anonymous No.4729983]

>>4729969
Most of the Centaurs are not in, SF. Ernest was ok. But Centaurs are neither here nor there. Better to have a good melee character, or a good ranged character.

[Anonymous No.4730003]

Which are the "must have" characters from SF?
With all the RNG, underleveled characters, and hard to recruit unless you have a guide charaters, I've never managed to get a realiable party formation.

By my experience I can tell Zylo, Bleu, Guntz and Musashi are always good. Torasu is the best healer and Lyle is the best ranged.

[Anonymous No.4730005]

>>4728585
My Japanese is awful, but I think he's basically saying "The two battles exhausted his strength and he lost consciousness. If it was anyone else this wouldn't be a problem, but he's very old".

[Anonymous No.4730242]

>>4730003
I have always been partial to Lyle and Domingo.

Lowe has a great spell list.

[Anonymous No.4730389]

>>4730003
As >>4730242 said, Domingo is fucking awesome. Lyle and Lowe aren't bad either, though I swap them out now and again. Don't forget about Hanzo(even if he IS only available for...two? three? fights), Adam, or Kokichi(the catch up work is kind of worth it) either.

[Anonymous No.4730632]

>>4730003
Khris is basically thrown at you and replaces Lowe if she gets some MP gains early and Tao's Blaze 4 stay's relevant throughout the game, especially against the blue dragons and armored skeletons at the last couple of fights.