fallout is a fucking masterpiece

[Anonymous No.4715785]

SPOILERS INSIDE


>go through living hell in the wasteland, searching every city you can find, helping every one along the way, invading a cult and fighting an army of fucking super mutants, all to save your vault,
>you return home after all this horseshittery, and you're rewarded
>with being cast out

>as you walk into the desert, head hung low, the music plays, and the credits roll.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddFW2_FQGXE [Embed]

I haven't been able to forget fallout 1. i think about it almost every day, and it's been 2 weeks since i beat it. it was incredible. i can't wait to play fallout 2.

[Anonymous No.4715789]

>>4715785
I never felt like I had any decent reason for caring about anyone in the first two fallout games

they're kind of mostly assholes and it doesn't particularly matter if the cowards in the vault die or whatever

[Anonymous No.4715815]

>>4715789
i can understand that. there isn't really anyone to care about but yourself. the object of the game, your mission, your entire purpose, is to get the water chip, simply because the vault is your family and they are all counting on you. you go through a long, complex journey on a time crunch, facing danger after danger and dead end after dead end.
Then, you find it and return. Now you're told about the threat of the super mutants, and you have to destroy an entire military bases's worth, as well as their creator, the godlike master.
Once again, you return home expecting a heroes welcome. instead, you are cast out. you worked so hard to save your vault, and now you aren't even welcome there. you have nowhere to go, except back out into the wasteland, as that FUCKING MUSIC PLAYS.
Look at the long wanderer there. his head is hung low. he's dirty and injured. along the journey you probably saw the death of several companions and your dog. and it was all for nothing in the end.

I get what you mean about not caring about the vault dwellers, after all you're just told you should care about them and your mission is to save them, but it think that's intended, since you can side with the master and destroy vault 13 or hurt the vault in other ways through the story. I don't know, this game was just a real experience for me. i wanted to gush about it a bit.

[Anonymous No.4715875]

agreed 100%.

[Anonymous No.4715889]

>>4715785
>gushing about baby's first rpg because the ending was kind of sad

[Anonymous No.4715895]

>>4715889
Oh, shut up. Let him have his moment.

[Anonymous No.4715907]

>>4715889
oh yeah? what's your idea of actual fun rpgs? i've played plenty of rpgsa, it's finding fun and engaging ones, like fallout, that are the hard part

[Anonymous No.4715915]

>>4715907
well if you like fallout arcanum would be the natural next step i guess

[Anonymous No.4715930]

>>4715915
fantasy setting is done to death. is the story actually decent? is the magic actually decent?

[Anonymous No.4715951]

>>4715930
>fantasy setting is done to death
It is not set in a fantasy setting.
>is the story actually decent?
Yes. Its very good.
>is the magic actually decent?
Nothing about the combat is decent.

[Anonymous No.4715956]

>>4715951
>rpg
>bad combat

dropped my guy. fallout 1 has fun combat, if a little slow. an rpg with bad combat is a trash game.

[Anonymous No.4715969]

>that setting
>those characters
>them varied potential playstyles
Gave less of a shit about the plot than OP, but it was still really enjoyable as an experience. Definitely more immersive than the uncanny valley glitchfests that are the modern Bethesda titles.

[Anonymous No.4715976]

>>4715969
it wasn't so much the plot as it was the reward for your quest. you got fucking shat on after a really cool and difficult journey.

[Anonymous No.4715981]

>>4715956
Try Front Mission then

[Anonymous No.4715983]

>>4715889
you hate a popular thing, congrats bro. your taste is truly above that of the unwashed masses

[Anonymous No.4715993]

>>4715981
>posts a game that isn't an rpg
>posts a game that has bad reviews even on steam

what are you trying to accomplish here?

[Anonymous No.4715997]

>>4715956
>Fallout 1&2
>Good combat
You're kidding right? I found it horrible,They made something as simple as moving a chore like most in-between action and turn based rpgs,Thankfully Bethesda decided to go full action

also this >>4715889,At least is better than giving the player a bad ending even when he has the power to change it,No matter the power of the Mc FO ending was gonna stay the same so it's better than those

[Anonymous No.4716002]

>>4715976
It's an archetypal bittersweet ending. Acomplishment at a heavy cost. It'd feel a bit cheap if he just got to go back home and live out the rest of his days chilling underground.
Overseer can still eat a dick.

[Anonymous No.4716004]

>>4715997
Found the underage.

[Anonymous No.4716006]

>>4715997
like i said it can be slow but it's better than most turn based rpgs. it has some depth and strategy.

[Anonymous No.4716008]

>>4716002
oh no, i'm not saying i didnt like the ending or thought it was bad. i'm saying it was excellent, unexpected, and honestly the perfect conclusion to the game. i'm still humming maybe.

[Anonymous No.4716013]

>>4715956
>dropped my guy. fallout 1 has fun combat
It was made by the same guys who made Fallout. It has a slightly better version of Fallout's extremely shitty combat thanks to magic. Prepare for suffering if you build a dex character though.

[Anonymous No.4716017]

>>4716006
>it has some depth and strategy.
The entire game is just shooting stuff in the eyes lol

[Anonymous No.4716029]

>>4716017
Are you denying how fucking cool that is?

[Anonymous No.4716037]

>>4716006
Slowness is one the principal reasons why combat can suck for games and what's this bullshit? A game doesn't need to be some wannabe strategy shit to have deep combat,Having slow ass battles for the sake of being a little more complex is a terrible idea and make players don't want to fight,A good combat system makes player itch for fighting always and a turn based system can be complex just look at thr Pokemon one so fucking complex it has a competitive scene,All you need to make a turn based system complex is give enemies overpowered or at least always a challenge and give the player various tools to fight that,Yes many modern tbrpgs fail at this trough but it's still much better than slow pseudo action battles that make you want to run away once they start

[Anonymous No.4716038]

>>4715993
I really really hope you don't mean the terrible "Front Mission Evolved" game that isn't even canon or part of the main series because in that case your ignorance is absolutely pitiable.

[Anonymous No.4716047]

>>4716037
>Pokemon has a complex battle system
>Series is literally overglorified rock paper scissors

[Anonymous No.4716052]

>>4716037
>citing pokemon as an example of good turn-based combat

[Anonymous No.4716069]

>>4716047
>>4716052
T.neverplayedcompetive
Why don't you give it a try if it's so easy?it's not and the strategies keep changing and shit hell even if you wanna play solo the bf there's complex stuff like the team build,Ability,Set,Moves,Items,EV spread,Which moves the opposing knows,when to switch and much more shit,Don't lie to yourself the Pokemon battle system is probably the most complex turn based system of modern games

[Anonymous No.4716079]

>>4716069
If the complexity has to come from other players, it's not a good example of turn based combat being complex.

Go back to /vp/.

[Anonymous No.4716080]

>>4716037
man /vr/ has really gone to shit huh

[Anonymous No.4716092]

>>4716079
What? that doesn't make any sense the players didn't put that on the game,even some ingame trainers use meme sets.

So hard to admit the pseudo action combat is shit and not even necessary for complexity? Even action combat can be complex without need of turns too so the whole existence of slow ass pseudo action shit was really unnecessary,really made the first two games a chore to play for me,When you make simple task a chore for the sake of complexity is when you fuck up honestly

[Anonymous No.4716098]

>>4716092
You cannot sit here with a straight face and legitimately tell me you can't just faceroll the entire series single player mode with no effort. The games are not challenging in any way beyond player intervention and innovation. You literally don't need to know how to check IVs, EV train, or breed moves to beat the games. You fucking don't.

Once again. Go back to /vp/ and stop shitting up this fine board with your drivel.

[Anonymous No.4716113]

>>4716098
>Story
Yes
>Bt,Bf or some shit postgame
well if you were one of those kids that only trained their starter you fucked up, to be good at this stuff you at least need to know the basics or get lucky
Also was this nonsense that pvp doesn't count? By your logic all fighting games are button mashers because that's what it takes to win the game while in fact fighting games are really fucking complex

[Anonymous No.4716115]

>>4715889
He will learn in time.

[Anonymous No.4716118]

I'm still stuck at Fallout 2's last boss because my stats aren't high enough to hack the computer or to convince the Enclave squad to help me..

[Anonymous No.4716120]

>>4716113
This thread isn't about fucking Pocket Shit.

[Anonymous No.4716123]

>>4715785
join DIE
join DIE

[Anonymous No.4716132]

>>4716120
So nothing to say? Cool if you wanna talk about FO that much aside from the awful combat at least the perks were interesting but honestly you overreacting over some bittersweet ending,Probably it was cool then but now is overdone to dead,The go find the waterchip/Geck (2) was some bullshit,when I play an open world Rpg or any rpg in general I don't want some time limit shit bugging me,good that they took that out in later games with the horrible combat

[Anonymous No.4716136]

>>4716132
This thread isn't about fucking Pocket Shit.

[Anonymous No.4716145]

>>4716118
kind of weird that there isn't a dialogue or otherwise skilldex way to get around him. Combat Or Nothing is kind of dumb.

i mean there could have been a sneaky dialogue-based resolution only available to characters with really low intelligence...that would have been fitting.

[Anonymous No.4716147]

>>4716145
>i mean there could have been a sneaky dialogue-based resolution only available to characters with really low intelligence...that would have been fitting.
That would have helped. I've been stuck here for years.

[Anonymous No.4716151]

>>4716147
>Melee build
>1 AG

What in the world are you doing, anon?

[Anonymous No.4716152]

>>4716118
Kill the president

[Anonymous No.4716153]

>>4716151
I went in blind and it worked all the way up to Horrigan anyway

>>4716152
I tried this but my intelligence is too low to use the computer in any way

[Anonymous No.4716157]

>>4715785

[Anonymous No.4716159]

>>4716153
Have you done drugs?

[Anonymous No.4716162]

>>4716153
Just hit him in the dick

[Anonymous No.4716169]

>>4716159
I could try Psycho and luring him away from the turrets

[Anonymous No.4716180]

>>4716159
>>4716162
Good advice, thanks

[Anonymous No.4716231]

why do the newer power armors look like such shit

[Anonymous No.4716442]

>>4716147
>AG 1

[Anonymous No.4716489]

>people actually thought FO1/2 combat is good

getting used to a terrible system is neither fun nor good. Even Arcanum had better turn based combat than this and targetting body parts is nigh useless unless by sheer luck you actually get to hit them with somewhat decent damage which you'd otherwise hit more anyway with Fast Shot

it's like saying Morrowind having dicerolls in melee combat when you clearly stab the person because WOOPS your stamina is low is good

[Anonymous No.4716505]

>>4716489
Fallout 1 and 2 are still my favorite RPGs just because of how they control. The interface, style, etc. It all works.

Arcanum controls like hot garbage

It also helps Fallout that it still has some of the best looking and grisly (not to mention satisfying) animations ever

[Anonymous No.4716518]

>>4716489
There's a lot to criticize in classic FO combat but aimed shots being useless is a bizarre claim. Aiming for the eyes raises your critical hit chance by 60% and aiming for the head 40%, and crits are always good.

Now if you had said that the companions tend to be retarded, combat against multiple enemies is a slog or that crits completely bypassing armor makes the combat extremely RNG-heavy especially in the endgame, I would have agreed.

[Anonymous No.4716729]

>>4716147
this is an incredible build. how did you get this far with a melee character that has only 1 AG?

>for i teach you the ways of One Punch
>One Punch for Enlightenment
>one punch per turn
>one and only one
>it is known
>it is the way
>it is the path of narva

...b/c 10 luck + more criticals will lead to Spectacular Illumination when the Power Fist falls upon the Face of the Seeker.

i like that you made your boy a master thief as well.

>he is called narva, who springs the traps
>and sometimes narva, who opens the way

and yet his speech and INT are low enough so that his whole philosophy shall remain a mystery and an enigma. surely this man will be spoken of in the wastes for years to come.

i mean even if you can't get to the final cutscene it's definitely one of the most original builds i've seen, so hats off to you for that.

[Anonymous No.4716820]

>>4715815
Don't forget to shoot the overseer for being a dick.

[Anonymous No.4716842]

>use random character generator
>roll awesome 10STR 10END character
>roll repair, sneak, outdoors + chem reliant
>not good with guns but improving, happy about combat knife
>tell myself Im gonna be careful with this run
>checking out oldtown in hub
>tfw forget about the guys that shoot you on sight the moment you open door
>permadie like a bitch 2 squares away from map exit

I always forget about the thugs in there. This is the second death to those guys.

[Anonymous No.4717521]

>>4715956
>Fallout
>good combat
Having a giggle, mate?

[Anonymous No.4717535]

>>4716013
>better version of fallout's shitty combat
fallout combat is fun though. so if this game is even better i guess ill enjoy it.

[Anonymous No.4717540]

>>4716038
that's the only thing that comes up on steam.

[Anonymous No.4717546]

>>4716842
what the fuck is the deal with those random assholes and why are they so strong? the guy with the combat shotty getting like 4 actions per turn is cancer inducing, plus he has buddies. i've never beaten him without the help of a crit. the combat shotty is a godsend if you get it from him

[Anonymous No.4717576]

>>4717546
They're guarding the kidnapped BoS initiate.

[Anonymous No.4717597]

>>4717576
ah, so you're meant to do the quest way later in the game.

[Anonymous No.4717820]

>>4715785

No, its cheap copy out of Wasteland

Wasteland have freedom of plot

Japanese style of freedom in the fallout is ridiculous

What is this?

A straight line ending with some trick to make player think like its some sort of NEw generation RPG?

BioShock has same problem

It is not a good idea that All the key is in one place.

If you want to clear the System shock then you have to go back

That's why player think System shock is one big Connected World , not a just beeline for the game

[Anonymous No.4717832]

>>4716147
its hilarious how far you made it
hats off to you

[Anonymous No.4717870]

>>4717540
maybe fucking learn to emulate or search something on a less shitty platform

[Anonymous No.4717874]

>>4716147
might have actually been easier with less intelligence

[Anonymous No.4717931]

>>4715789
>not liking Tandi

[Anonymous No.4717972]

>>4717931
she's fucking annoying and can't do anything herself

[Anonymous No.4717980]

>>4717972
why do you hate women, bro?

[Anonymous No.4717998]

>>4715956

Fallout 1 and 2's combat is only good if you break the shit out of it as soon as you can. A near max AGL character is a good start.

[Anonymous No.4718037]

>>4717980
I only like strong women

[Anonymous No.4718046]

>>4718037
So you mean men. One's got the wo[omb] one's got the power.

[Anonymous No.4718050]

>>4718046
I only like women and women who have penises.

[Anonymous No.4718439]

>>4717820
get off my board, non native english speaker

[Anonymous No.4718754]

>>4715785
You're in for a treat, my man.
FO2 is better in almost every way.
I just replayed both of them this past month and I'm already planning another playthrough.

[Anonymous No.4718995]

>>4718050
There are no chicks with dicks, just dudes with tits.

[Anonymous No.4719046]

>>4716147
>AG 1
>LK 10

I hope nobody gets baited by this.

[Anonymous No.4719159]

>>4719046
It's true, it was actually a 1 agility low intelligence challenge run that I finished ages ago. I'm sorry for trying to trick you.

You still haven't noticed the Bruiser trait which makes the effective agility -3 in terms of action points. 1 agility would normally be 5 action points, which would practically be easy mode on any kind of build.

[Anonymous No.4720430]

bump

[Anonymous No.4720446]

>>4715785
>i can't wait to play fallout 2.

You lucky dog. Fallout 2 is so good it's almost hard to believe.

[Anonymous No.4720454]

>>4720446
all the praise makes me even more hyped!! i'm gonna do another f01 playthrough with a walkthrough this time to see some stuff i missed, then move to fallout 2

[Anonymous No.4720983]

I just found out about keeping A pressed on mapchange. Does that override sequence rolls?

Do combats that start on mapchange even do sequence rools or does the game cheat there?

[Anonymous No.4721024]

Where do you think the saviour of Vault 13 wend after his exile?

To go Shady Sands court Tandi with Aradesh approval?
Go and Bro it up with the Brotherhood of Steel?
Go to Junktown and start business for yourself?
Go to the Hub and work with water merchants in hopes of coming across other vault dwellers and other vaults?


We al know he ends up settling down somewhere up north to what will be called Arroyo. But what do you think he does between then?

[Anonymous No.4721038]

>>4721024
probably leaves the game area entirely

[Anonymous No.4721105]

>>4716092
>>4716113
>What? that doesn't make any sense the players didn't put that on the game,even some ingame trainers use meme sets.
Denying that players don't add a layer of complexity to a game, nevertheless a MULTIPLAYER one, is a telltale sign of a moron who doesn't get how different design is for multiplayer and singleplayer.

Another telltale sign that you're a retard is you used a game's multiplayer mode, competitive no less, to compare with a single-player RPG.

We were talking about Fallout sweetheart, just to bring your miniscule attention span back to the topic. At least cite relevant fucking examples.

[Anonymous No.4721119]

This reminds me. Somebody asked me recently if it would be possible to beat Fallout 1 with 1 in all SPECIAL stats (obviously have to use a trainer/save editor to drop all your stats to 1). You can still invest into your skills as normal though.

Combat is obviously a no go, too few hit points and action points, damage is ass. But can you still complete the game using Speech and Sneak?

[Anonymous No.4721130]

>>4715930
>fantasy setting is done to death
But fantasy setting where industrial revolution kicked in and social structure of the entire continent is undergoing fundamental changes is not.
>is the story actually decent? is the magic actually decent?
Yes and hell yes (but sometimes really unbalanced).

[Anonymous No.4721134]

>>4715956
>fallout 1 has fun combat
It has godly fun death animations. Combat, though, is
>shoot eyes
>rinse repeat

[Anonymous No.4721137]

>>4716157
Aaaand back to /tv you go.

[Anonymous No.4721172]

>>4721024
according to the wiki, he and his surviving companions settle and MAKE arroyo, not live there. they founded the village.

[Anonymous No.4721174]

>>4721119
you wouldnt be able to survive without getting lucky enough to get levels, to put into sneak, repair, etc. see this speedrun, all he does is sneak into the places to plant the explosives, and pass some speech and repair checks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlxRCi9OvZo

[Anonymous No.4721338]

>>4720983
It's the normal rules for a surprise round.
You go that round you pushed a, then sequence is rolled normally and follows that order for the rest of combat.

[Anonymous No.4721382]

>>4721105
So you're going to just say "Multiplayer doesn't count" even when some of it can be found and used ingame,Deal with it the fucking Pokemon system it's more complex which by all means doesn't mean better,Simple is also good like most TES battle systems or the new FO system where walking isn't a chore and battles are quick without unnecessary pseudo action shit

[Anonymous No.4721447]

[Anonymous No.4721479]

>>4716123
Still a more memorable experience than the entirety of Bethesda's combined RPGs.

[Anonymous No.4721615]

>>4721119
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/63576-fallout-2/46690779

It's Fallout 2, though.

[Anonymous No.4723074]

My favorite part of Fallout 1

[Anonymous No.4723076]

>>4723074

[Anonymous No.4723081]

>>4723076

[Anonymous No.4723119]

>>4723074
>>4723076
>>4723081

that is glorious

[Anonymous No.4723123]

>>4721338
so its not cheating?

[Anonymous No.4723126]

>>4717931
Mr. Vault Dweller should have lived in Shady Sands and fucked Tandi after he got kicked out of Vault 13.

[Anonymous No.4723163]

>>4723074
>>4723076
>>4723081


IT IS POSSIBLE

[Anonymous No.4723468]

>>4723119
>>4723163
what were the images and y were they deleted

[Anonymous No.4723598]

>>4723468
Fallout screenshots about saving a woman and dialogue describing cumming in her mouth as reward

[Anonymous No.4723872]

>>4715889
Name 20 /vr/ WRPGs that are better.

[Anonymous No.4724891]

>>4723123
Meh. Fallout is not the place you want to be for a fair and balanced combat experience anyway. You gotta take em where you can get em. You can avoid most enemies even by mashing a, not attacking them, walking away, ending combat before their turn, then mashing a again before they aggro.

[Anonymous No.4724902]

>>4715785
It's no DUAL ORB 2 though

[Anonymous No.4726449]

>>4723872
>crickets
That's what I thought. /v/ contrarians are so quick to shit on a game and those that enjoy it, yet they never come up with any alternative, because they don't really play video games. If it was really "Babby's first" anything, then naming 20 games that are better should be easy.

[Anonymous No.4726469]

>>4724891

Don't forget "running as fast as you can when you get trapped in a random encounter while hoping an NPC won't get a lucky shot" and "watch as your APA Mark II-wearing character with his high HP maxed gets blown to gibs because of a critical from a turret or a punk with a Gauss Pistol".