/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.4713024]

ff6 had a good translation, why was 7's so awkward?

[Anonymous No.4713039]

Same reason FF4's translation was notably worse than FF1's. They didn't care that much, so it was mostly a crapshot how good the hired translator was.

[Anonymous No.4713040]

Post three more examples, then, if it's so awkward.
Plus that's a fairly simple typo, not really a translation error.

[Anonymous No.4713080]

>>4713040
>does not know about 7's translation
Go back to >>>/v/

[Anonymous No.4713084]

>>4713040
>Ungarmax is supposed to be Angermax
>Midgar Zolom is supposed to be Midgardsormr, the old norse name for Jormungandr
>Aerith says she knew Tseng since "we were little", this completely contradicts the scene where Aerith is a child and Tseng is an adult. She actually says "I was little".

Only errors I can remember, the translation is more lazy and low quality rather than inaccurate.

[Anonymous No.4713094]

>>4713084
>Aerith

[Anonymous No.4713160]

>>4713094

[Anonymous No.4713173]

>>4713094
This guy gets it

[Anonymous No.4713174]

>>4713024
>ff6 had a good translation
No, no translation which changes character names AND rewrites them is a good translation.

[Anonymous No.4713178]

>>4713024
They had limited time

[Anonymous No.4713214]

>>4713174
BUTZ

[Anonymous No.4713216]

I feel like this thread is just not going anywhere

[Anonymous No.4713225]

Because Sony did it.

[Anonymous No.4713248]

>>4713174

The FF3/6 translation was great. The more authentic ones lack a lot of the charm.

[Anonymous No.4713258]

>>4713040
ok

[Anonymous No.4713296]

>>4713160

[Anonymous No.4713302]

>>4713024
They were in a rush. not only is the translation rushed but FF7 is full of bugs and glitches.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCS7HQOs1mU

[Anonymous No.4713304]

I'm convinced that these daily shitpost threads are all made by the same guy.

[Anonymous No.4713326]

Wasn't FF9 actually the most accurate translation of the PS1 trilogy?

[Anonymous No.4713389]

>>4713024
Woosley's translation was just as different, you just didn't notice because he spoke English.
>Atma vs Ultima
>Ultros vs Orthros
>Vicks and Wedge vs Biggs and Wedge

[Anonymous No.4713390]

>>4713024
Woolsey got shifted out of Square reorganizing in this era. So while his group ended up doing Shadow Madness, whoever was around did FFVII.

[Anonymous No.4713393]

>>4713326
It was the point when it was at their peak, at least. Dead Pepper and small mistakes in references we didn't even know about yet be damned.

[Anonymous No.4713407]

>>4713389
99% of the time that came down to textual limits, Atma and Ultros most likely fell under this. He was told many times to shorten things down, and a name using one letter less was a good way to do it. Even better if it used five less (Spire instead of Lightning Rod).

>Biggs
Notice that Vicks was just as reoccuring. He knew what he was doing, the issue was Star Wars. He did make amuch lesser noticed alteration in Chrono Trigger though, where Piett is Piette.

[Anonymous No.4713418]

>>4713407
Forgot to mention. If you really wanted to nail him outside of le meme, you should probably mention the shit that was actually awkward. Like Nizbel Plus's one line in CT.

[Anonymous No.4713564]

>>4713024
At least the english translation is decent, while the spanish tranlation is dogshit, same with Suikoden II.

[Anonymous No.4713586]

>>4713084
>ff7
>like 25 types of chocobo greens
>every character and store in the game spells them all differently

[Anonymous No.4713640]

>>4713248
>butchers Celes scene
>original is describing in detail what happened to those on the island
>some died of sorrow, of madness, of ilness, suicide..
>Woosley Celes: hey everyone jumped from a cliff to perk 'emselves up and so will I!
>#joke #too_long_for_burgers_to_read #charm #nailed_the_feels

The more authentic ones during GBA era had even more researched high fantasy vocabulary and put back the meme sentences to please those "fans", but it seems a translation must be an abridged dubs with tons of references to has-been pop singer trash (the fucking underlings of the main villain for the first part of Chrono Trigger, no less) and characters speaking in unreadable accents just because, to be passable.

>>4713326
Even Square's late PS1 localizations after they got their shit down still suffered from this, but it was light years ahead of SNES era "localized" trash. You know, like when they made Squall an asshole with an EDGE so he appeals to young teenage emo faggots who loved a character from a different game. Oh yeah and the swearing is all made up too. Final Fantasy 8, Threads of Fate, you name it.

>>4713564
For 7, it was sony europe doing them. Their terribleness defies statement. For the later games they established a subsidary that properly translated them from japanese without aping woosley (the "localized feel") or working designs (writing it like an abridged dub) or fansubbers (the made up swearing) and they are generally better than their english equivalents because they are normal translations that rewrite sentences to flow naturally with local mannerisms and figures of speechs and cultural references but don't give themselves carte blanche to rewrite the story.

[Anonymous No.4713650]

>>4713640
I'm still kind of butthurt that the demons in Cyan's mind are still named after the Three Stooges rather than anything remotely like an accurate translation.

[Anonymous No.4713668]

>>4713640
>pinning NoA's heavy censorship policies on the translator
>complaining about swearing
Oh boy

[Anonymous No.4713669]

What did he mean by this?

[Anonymous No.4713672]

>>4713094
I prefer Aeris but I never got the lisp thing.

[Anonymous No.4713678]

>>4713669
>Attack while it's tail is up!
>It's gonna counterattack with its laser!
Poor sentence breaking.

[Anonymous No.4713729]

>>4713640
You mean all those [expletive]s are a lie?

[Anonymous No.4713736]

>>4713672
Changing the letter s into th in words is the way to convey a lisp in text.

[Anonymous No.4713769]

>>4713024
a translation fitting the target audience

[Anonymous No.4713878]

>>4713564
>Suikoden 2
>http://wiki.redump.org/index.php?title=Sony_Playstation_PAL_Missing_Games
The funny thing about those European translations by Sony are so bad nobody even bothered pirating them and put them online.

[Anonymous No.4713975]

>>4713024
Apparently the German translation is much worse.

[Anonymous No.4714457]

>>4713390

They did it in house. I love parts of ff7, but man is it really melodramatic and bad at times. It could have done with American charm.

[Anonymous No.4714590]

>>4713084
Isn't Cloud meant to be Claude too?

[Anonymous No.4714615]

>>4713669
I actually liked this. It was sort of fun

[Anonymous No.4714664]

>>4713975
French one was awful too, though they must be based on the English one as they keep the same errors... and adds a new layer of literal translations (fucking "gardiens de robots") and tons of typos.

FF8 and 9 were a huge step up in that regard.

[Anonymous No.4714668]

>>4714590
No, he's supposed to be Cloud in the same way that Aerith is supposed to be Earth.

[Anonymous No.4714675]

>>4714664
>FF8

". . ."

[Anonymous No.4714679]

>>4713084
>midgardsormr is the old norse name for jörmungandr
it's not you aspie, midgardsormr means the "Serpent of Midgard" which is clearly a title

[Anonymous No.4714680]

>>4713669
It's a case of the translators translating it and then never seeing how it looked ingame.

[Anonymous No.4714697]

Is there a fan retranslation of 7?

[Anonymous No.4714721]

>>4713407
also worth noting: in japanese ff6, his name is spelled ビックス (bikkusu) and not ビッグス (biggusu). woolsey probably didn't know it was a reference.

[Anonymous No.4714756]

>>4714697

Yes but it's godawful and you shouldn't bother. I think there's a patch that fixes the mistitled items and typos, I'd just install that and call it a day.

[Anonymous No.4714810]

>>4714457

>could have done with American charm
>Barret is literally Mr. T

I agree it got overly melodramatic but it's a very charming translation, especially all the swearing, gags and punctuation abuse. The fast and loose nature of the dialogue probably helped it more than it hurt it, I know a lot of people that weren't able to get into future entries due to Square's translations becoming quite plain. FF7 is one of those cases where its translated poorly but reads well, in contrast to something like Tactics that's translated poorly and reads like it just got ran through google.

[Anonymous No.4714816]

>>4714679
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midgardsormr
>>4713669
left out the "if" by mistake
>"if you attack while its tail is up,"
>>4713650
that one is pretty bad
they would have needed a couple accented characters to handle Rêve/Sogno/Sueño but they probably gutted the dakuten code during the english port and/or woolsey was feeling witty

[Anonymous No.4714843]

>>4713040
There's two in the OP.
It could be either
>This guy IS sick.
or
>THESE GUYS are sick.
So having it as 'This guy are sick,' could potentially be two typos depending on whether Aeris is taking about one guy or many guys. I don't remember because I've not played FF7 in nearly 20 years.

>>4714668
不思議の国のアリス is the Japanese title of the book 'Alice in Wonderland.' Notice the last three moon runes. They spell 'Alice' in nipspeak.

Aeris, on the other hand, is エアリス. Note that while the last three are identical to 'Alice,' the first rune is different. This one is pronounced like the 'e' in the word 'bed.' Putting it together with アリス just sounds like a 1950s Queens, NY housewife calling her sister on the phone.

>e'alice! how ya doin', doll? I'm makin' ma's sundee gravy so you bring frank and the kids by for dinner

If Nips continue to insist on using a special writing system specifically for the purpose of writing foreign words only, they really need to add some more diacritics to it to represent the foreign sounds they're trying to ape at. Until then, Aeris is Aeris and not Aerith and certainly not Earth.

[Anonymous No.4714862]

>>4714697
>>4714756
You should definitely bother with the fan retranslation. The official one is so shitty it's not even funny. Omitted text, buggy text, actively misleading text...

[Anonymous No.4714876]

>>4714843
>Until then, Aeris is Aeris and not Aerith and certainly not Earth.
As if they didn't write her name in plain English letters not only in design docs but even official manuals and strategy guides. But "the mystery of the nihongo" justifies this and Sefirosu and Midgar Zolom and et ceatera and ff7 best translation ever amirite

[Anonymous No.4714894]

>>4714876
Are you saying Japanese FF7 media contemporary with the game's original release had Latin letters spelling Aeris and not Aerith?

[Anonymous No.4714898]

>find the last elixir
>its not the last elixir in the game

[Anonymous No.4714969]

>>4714843
>>4714668
More to the point, 'Earth' ith alwayth phonetically tranthliterated in moonruneth ath 'アース.' No need for an R thound there, the thame way 'computer' in moonruneth is written without one.

Were you to google 'アース' you'd come up with dozenth upon dozenth of pictureth of our planet earth.

[Anonymous No.4714994]

>>4714862

Not sure why you even bothered posting when the only defense of the fantranslation you can muster is how bad the official translation is. If you actually play the game through with the Beacause patch you'll quickly realize how much they missed the mark. It's no fun at all.

[Anonymous No.4715064]

To be honest I think Final Fantasy VII is a shining example of informal, conversational dialogue.

[Anonymous No.4715263]

>>4713040
Dude how can you seriously not know how dogshit the FF7 translation is.

[Anonymous No.4715295]

>>4715064

Finally someone else who gets it. There's a reason it got so popular compared to other JRPG's and that's exactly it. I know most people here are autistic and have their own preferences, but it had exactly the translation it needed to be as monstrously successful as it was.

[Anonymous No.4716539]

>>4713024
>ff6 had a good translation
what the everliving fuck

[Anonymous No.4716541]

The only people who complain about translations are faggots with no to a minimal understanding of Japanese and have no idea how things where or have or will be translated; and because they know a few hints in Japanese they think it makes them the authority on how things should be translated. In case you didn’t know your ego is small, your Japanese is shit and your opinion is also shit. Now fuck off and do something productive instead of bitching about a translation from 20 years ago.

[Anonymous No.4716553]

>>4716541
>You don't know enough Japanese to judge whether "This guy are sick" is correct English!
Why don't you log off? Your body pillow (or "daimakaimura") is lonely.

[Anonymous No.4716564]

>>4713024
Too many translators and no editor on the localization team. That kind of situation tends to cause chaos.

[Anonymous No.4716659]

>>4714843
The villain the protagonists are pursuing is called セフィロス . Are you saying his name isn't a reference to Sefirot?

[Anonymous No.4717158]

>>4716553

Holy fuck that's a weak retort. Everything he said was right and moreover it's EXACTLY what happened with the FF7 translation project. Guy running it didn't know a lick of Japanese yet insisted he was right about everything, which is why it turned to be such a trash fire. Nobody's saying FF7 had a perfect translation but those that lambaste it with paragraphs of what it did wrong having never played the game in Japanese are part of the problem. Hell, they are the WHOLE problem.

[Anonymous No.4717265]

>>4713296
Ok but no. It’s Aerith.

[Anonymous No.4717784]

>>4713094
Happy Birsday!

[Anonymous No.4719021]

>>4713669
He wanted to buttfuck it.

[Anonymous No.4719152]

>>4713024
>Liking Woolsey butchery.

He had an easier job with the smaller script of FF6 and CT and still managed to shit upon it.

[Anonymous No.4719191]

>>4714898
kek

>>4714843
So, Aeris is Alice in Engrish? Arice?

[Anonymous No.4719794]

>>4713650
Not as butthurt as I am that half the bestiary and arsenal DID get changed from sensible and entertaining names to literal garbage.

I don't like the Woolsey script much-- I don't care if "son of a submariner" is stays or goes but I'm about 5 to 1 in favor of his versions of item names, monster names, and spell names; that's even before you consider how changing the name ruins existing reference material for the game. (That's not counting any spelling fixes that are clearly recognizable as tweaks, such as Graedus to Gladius).

[Anonymous No.4719926]

>>4716659
>post makes no mention of the villain
>"are you saying X, Y or Z about the villain, anon?"
Safe to say the answer to that is "no."

[Anonymous No.4719935]

>>4713296

Anyone who calls her Aerith is literally a faggot.

[Anonymous No.4720287]

I have a question about some FFVII lore. Prolonged exposure to mako turn people into monsters, or is it a mixture of mako and Jenova cells? Or do Jenova cells just turn people into a different set of monsters?
Are all monsters in FFVII-verse mako corrupted people? What connection does mako have to the lifestream, and why does it turn people into monsters?

[Anonymous No.4720460]

How to make pc version look like pic related?

[Anonymous No.4720526]

>>4713678
>Attack while it is tail is up

[Anonymous No.4720618]

If ff6 had a good translation I'd be the one raking leaves with a metal dildo

[Anonymous No.4722948]

FF7 is so depressing now

[Anonymous No.4723168]

>>4720460
The PC version honestly looks worse. The character models look all shiny and plastic, and clash even more horribly with the prerendered backgrounds. And why did they give the characters mouths that never moved?

[Anonymous No.4723245]

>>4719926
If エアリス should be translated as "Aeris", then セフィロス should be translated as "Sephiros"

[Anonymous No.4723258]

>>4723245
セブンスヘブン should also be "Sevens Heaven".
ス can be the equivalent of -s or -th.

[Anonymous No.4723362]

>>4713258

this confused me so much. "off course!" couldn't have been the choice to continue...

[Anonymous No.4723370]

>>4713258
>>4723362

This and the cryptic "They're coming right at us" (WHO? What?) bit before the final descent are the two bits of mistranslated gobbledygook that stood out to me when I first played the game.

As for the original question, its because, as much hate from autists as it gets, the Final Fantasy 3/6 translation was made to adapt the script into English. FF7 was a more oldschool style rush job to get it readable.

[Anonymous No.4723706]

>>4723168
Is this still the case with the latest Steam release?

[Anonymous No.4723725]

>>4723168
I'm saying I want to make the PC version look more like the PSX version. With that same look on the menu and those soft shadows.