/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.4699074]

Piracy is wrong.
There is absolutely NO excuse for stealing games.

[Anonymous No.4699076]

>>4699074
How about I fart in your fucking face, friend?

[Anonymous No.4699089]

>>4699074
I agree. Now, explain to me your reasoning before I flag your shit. You could just as easily posted this on /v/. I'm waiting.

In your words. Why is piracy wrong?

[Anonymous No.4699092]

>>4699076
that would certainly prove him wrong

[Anonymous No.4699093]

>>4699074
I just picked one of these up. How’d I do?

[Anonymous No.4699094]

>>4699092

You're missing the point.

[Anonymous No.4699096]

>>4699093

10/10 IGN

[Anonymous No.4699103]

>>4699089
Because it's illegally stealing property from either the Company who made it, or people who legally own a copy of the medium in question.

[Anonymous No.4699104]

You're fucking stupid if you think that piracy=stealing,The main difference is that you're not taking it out of the guy who made but magically making an exact copy and taking with you while the original is untouched

[Anonymous No.4699107]

>>4699104
But that thing is protected by copyright, and you are cheating that guy out of his money by making an ILLEGAL copy.

[Anonymous No.4699114]

If you pirate ANYTHING, you deserve a jail sentence. It's the only way we are going to stop this problem. Be an upstanding member of society.

[Anonymous No.4699117]

>>4699103
But the reseller still has their $300 copy of Earthbound after I pirate it

[Anonymous No.4699181]

>>4699074
cool

So, which company paid you to waltz in here and start shaming people for wanting to play games you can't buy anymore?

[Anonymous No.4699187]

>have most of my consoles softmodded or everdrived
>still dont have PSIO for my ps1
that drive is going to die one day

[Anonymous No.4699192]

>>4699187
Can't you just play the entire PS library from a PS2 with HDD?

[Anonymous No.4699196]

>>4699192
thats emulation might as well use pc

[Anonymous No.4699201]

>>4699117
The difference is it's illegal.
If a game store manager was selling copies of Earthbound, pirating would be taking away their customers.
Nintendo can do the same thing by selling Earthbound on something like Virtual Console, but in that sense it's okay because it's permitted by Nintendo, and 100 percent LEGAL

[Anonymous No.4699206]

>>4699196
PS2 uses it's own internal hardware to play PS1 games naively, it it still emulation then?

[Anonymous No.4699208]

>>4699201
Alright its getting old now. You're not fooling anyone with this b8 m8.

[Anonymous No.4699210]

>>4699206
if you use a hard drive boot the ps1 games need popstarter to play which is an emulator
for some reason it cant boot ps1 games the same way it does ps2

[Anonymous No.4699212]

>>4699074
Motherfucker I'm not going to buy a several-thousand dollar sitdown arcade cabinet that can barely fit in my house, or even be guaranteed to work, just to play Daytona USA 2.

Fuck off.

[Anonymous No.4699225]

>>4699074
Yeah I don't care. I don't pirate games I can buy at a reasonable price, but I'm not gonna pay 500 dollars for Snatcher just because Konami won't re-release it digitally. It's not like I'm screwing the devs out of 500 dollars, they'll never see that insane markup.

[Anonymous No.4699227]

copying is not theft

second-hand sales are more harmful

[Anonymous No.4699230]

>>4699208
It's not bait. Either counter my arguments or you forfeit the debate, and admit you're wrong. It's that simple.

[Anonymous No.4699234]

>>4699227

read >>4699201

[Anonymous No.4699336]

>>4699074
>Look here mister, I spent $500 of my McDonalds money on my collection of three authentic Earthbound cartridges. We true fans don't take kindly to mundanes such as yourself hitching a free ride by using an Everdrive or getting a reproduction cart. If you don't care enough about the game enough to buy it for that much then you don't deserve to experience it.

[Anonymous No.4699359]

>>4699114
Fuck off, you cuck. Piracy should be encouraged and commended.

[Anonymous No.4699437]

>>4699074
Movies and music is one thing as those assholes mostly are liberals.

Vidya i never pirate. I enjoy it too much and would feel bad.

[Anonymous No.4699539]

>>4699074
how about you DEAL WITH IT BITCHBOY

[Anonymous No.4699569]

>>4699187
psio is a scam though

[Anonymous No.4699585]

>>4699074
The act of it isnt as much as a big deal but financially supporting people who do is.

[Anonymous No.4699692]

>>4699074
Well, retro games had their run already. There's not such a thing as stealing for games that aren't in circulation anymore.

Now, if you were using a console wich distributed such games in a digital manner, and you installed those games in that console, then we would be talking

[Anonymous No.4699735]

Intellectual property is wrong.
There is absolutely NO excuse for enforcing a state-mandated monopoly of artificial scarcity.

[Anonymous No.4699738]

So you think this is okay?

[Anonymous No.4699739]

go back to le leddit friend.

[Anonymous No.4699756]

>>4699107
>you are cheating that guy out of his money by making an ILLEGAL copy.

I've never MADE an ILLEGAL copy in my life.

[Anonymous No.4699761]

I despise the video game industry and anyone even remotely associated with it. I don't even play most of the games I steal. i just do it because I enjoy doing it.

[Anonymous No.4699809]

>>4699761
>I'm a psychopath who does things for no reason, care about me.

[Anonymous No.4699810]

>>4699738
Longboxes are NEVER okay.

[Anonymous No.4699814]

>>4699074
Okay then tell me how to play EVO search for Eden AND support the original creators?

[Anonymous No.4699818]

>>4699738
How do Sega CD games get so high priced? The only thing you need to pirate them is a fucking CD burner.

[Anonymous No.4699820]

>>4699814
Mail the original devs a check and in the memo section put "for piracy"

[Anonymous No.4699824]

>>4699820
Pretty sure neither Quintet or Enix exist anymore, and none of the original staff works at SquareEnix.

[Anonymous No.4699828]

>>4699809
If I were a psychopath, why would I care if people cared about me?

[Anonymous No.4699831]

>>4699187
Disk drives are pretty easy to repair and replacement parts are still being made.

[Anonymous No.4700461]

>>4699756
But you're still buying something that shouldn't be in circulation to begin with. It's illegal.

[Anonymous No.4700471]

Eat shit and die

[Anonymous No.4700485]

>>4699103
What if they refuse to sell it to me? They're losing money either way. What if they sell me it, but don't say they removed content, censored it, and so on? If I bought a pepperoni pizza and there was no pepperoni, I would be entitled to a refund or a free pizza.

[Anonymous No.4700489]

>>4699074
Is it me or /vr/ has been co-opted by a bunch of millenial normie jews who pretend that they are in the right side of history?

its in every thread here ever since.

[Anonymous No.4700514]

>tfw buying an everdrive is cheaper than buying 3-4 first party 64 games

[Anonymous No.4700543]

>>4700514
>Mario 64
>Starfox 64
>Ocarina of Time
>F ZERO X

[Anonymous No.4700549]

>>4700489
You are right

[Anonymous No.4700565]

>>4700489
>millenial normie jews who pretend that they are in the right side of history?
Can you elaborate on this?
I don't get how this type of people relates to retrogaming

[Anonymous No.4700571]

>>4700543
Ocarina is like half the price of a flashcart, though
At least here in PALand

[Anonymous No.4700578]

>>4700485
>What if they refuse to sell it to me?
It's their right to sell, or not sell. It's not you're right to take a company's legal property (without their permission, without paying, or both)

>What if they sell me it, but don't say they removed content, censored it, and so on?
That's a good question, can you give me an example of that?

[Anonymous No.4700632]

By this logic I'm stealing from the Louvre with my copy of Mona Lisa.

[Anonymous No.4700653]

>piracy is illegal

Pffff whoops, better call the police i just downloaded a bunch of games for free from the internet

[Anonymous No.4700683]

>>4699074
Guess I'll ask this in thise thread.

I downloaded every SNES and NES game on GGN and was wondering which version I should play if I just want a regular NTSC experience. The (U)[!].smc version is the base, regular NTSC version isn't it? What about the the 7 others below it with a (U)?

[Anonymous No.4700695]

>>4699074
What if the game is literally impossible to obtain without piracy, since all physical legal copies are destroyed? What then, cocksucker?

[Anonymous No.4700698]

>>4699074
>Piracy is wrong.
https://youtu.be/vlzVDfYRL-c

[Anonymous No.4700708]

>>4699074
Companies don't preserve or maintain their games and will gladly allow every copy of their game to be destroyed/thrown away as it wouldn't be making them money to preserve it in many cases.

[Anonymous No.4700717]

>>4700708
Now you can argue that they are allowed to, and sure. Just like if someone bought a famous painting and let it rot away on his lawn. He's allowed to, but that's morally wrong from my perspective. Legal=/right in a fair few cases and I would rather be a criminal and encourage this specific crime then let shit get lost to time.

[Anonymous No.4700724]

Piracy is a necessary evil for long term game preservation. Think of how many unreleased games have been dumped and made playable thanks to piracy. Some games are so rare or prohibitively expensive that the only realistic way most people can experience those games is piracy. Not to mention the issues with console region locks making it difficult to play imports on some consoles without either using an flash cart or an emulator.

Pirating retro games mostly doesn't hurt developers, since they're not making any money off 2nd hand sales anyway. The only people making money off retro games now are re-sellers.

[Anonymous No.4700746]

>>4700578
>That's a good question, can you give me an example of that?
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BadExportForYou

The videogame section has a sizable list of examples. The channel CensoredGaming on YouTube also lists a smorgasboard of them. It's a very real issue and I consider it false advertising to remove or change content in a negative manner as I am not getting the product I was expecting.

I'd list specific examples but my browser is crashing when I click post for some unknown reason. Having to post this from my phone.

[Anonymous No.4700838]

>>4700724
>Piracy is a necessary evil for long term game preservation. Think of how many unreleased games have been dumped and made playable thanks to piracy. Some games are so rare or prohibitively expensive that the only realistic way most people can experience those games is piracy. Not to mention the issues with console region locks making it difficult to play imports on some consoles without either using an flash cart or an emulator.

Nothing gives you the legal right to take something that isn't yours for free off the internet (that you already don't own legally) without the company's permission. I understand that it's the only realistic way to play to play some games, but that doesn't mean it's the RIGHT thing to do.

>Pirating retro games mostly doesn't hurt developers, since they're not making any money off 2nd hand sales anyway.
Mostly hurting developers technically isn't good enough, and it's not a valid argument.

> The only people making money off retro games now are re-sellers.

Not true. The company can still make money off of these games through digital redistribution. Pirating a game before it starts getting sold digitally again will lead people to just not buy it legally.

[Anonymous No.4700846]

nobody in law enforcement gives a shit about video game piracy

[Anonymous No.4700913]

>>4699074
not sure what these two unrelated statements are doing here

[Anonymous No.4700953]

>>4700683
[!] means it's a bad dump actually

[Anonymous No.4700975]

>>4699103
>Because it's illegally stealing property
If they cannot support their hardware & software long term, I will not either. It is that simple. I have no qualms obtaining bits and bytes that are 2 decades old if the manufacturer is not selling them new & with warranty.

[Anonymous No.4701060]

>>4700683
How can I join GGN? I assume its private or invite only?

[Anonymous No.4701093]

>>4699074
You're right, but I don't care. Can't stop, won't stop.

[Anonymous No.4703048]

I'm not going to buy games at inflated prices from third parties. The makers of the game aren't even profiting at that point.

Not to mention most N64 games never even see a re-release, so it's not like I have a lot of opportunities to support the ones who made the game. As for the first party Nintendo stuff, I already bought those games when they were new, and I bought them again on the Wii. I'm fed up with this slow drip release schedule and having to pay more fees to transfer them to my current console.

Really, I could care less how someone feels about piracy, i'll support official re-releases or releases of never before localized games, but i'm not going to fill a resellers pockets or re-buy a Nintendo game for the 4th time, nor am I going to patiently await an official re-release of Snowboard Kids 2.

[Anonymous No.4703093]

1- I don't give a shit
2- If a game isn't being sold on stores how the fuck am I supposed to play it
3- Fuck you I won't pay ebay prices
4- The company isn't making any money with it because it's more than 20 years old
5- A flashcart is more convenient
6- A flashcart won't wear out my games
7- I already own some of the games I pirate
8- Some old ass windows games require cracks to work on modern machines
9- Fuck you I still don't give a shit
Now fuck off to /v/ or something, I don't want you in my board

[Anonymous No.4703640]

>>4700838
I don't really care if it's the "right" thing to do or not, I'm not some kind of morality police. I do care that as many games as possible be preserved online for future generations to play.

If a company isn't selling the game digitally by now, it seems like there's little chance it'll happen in the future.

>Pirating a game before it starts getting sold digitally again will lead people to just not buy it legally.

Then explain the success of Nintendo's virtual console, Playstation classics on PSN, HD re-masters, digital retro game collection discs, etc. That's not a good argument. Why would people buy these things if pirating would lead to them not buying it legally? These games could all be emulated on a PC long before they were officially released digitally.

[Anonymous No.4704836]

>>4699074
Those things are so fucking expensive, holy shit

[Anonymous No.4704874]

>>4699074
It's free, easy, and nobody has stopped me since 1998 and nobody ever will. Come at me, game companies.

[Anonymous No.4704960]

Don't care. I'd rather give games & money to dumpers than to give money to corporate's lawyers so they can continue to rape YouTube videos, censor shit, pump out their DRM, microtransactions and otherwise be a bunch of lying rejects.

The people running the preservation effort deserve the money, because the archivists' lives are more important than scummy devs.

[Anonymous No.4704980]

>>4699074
There's plenty of reasons for "stealing" games
Chief among them, the deplorable obsessively greedy state of the industry and the absolute disdain towards consumers/gamers
That's reason enough but in case you're retarded and haven't figured it out yet, these games have been off the market for 20+ years and a lot of the people and companies behind them are out of jobs already and even the ones that aren't don't make any money off of them because you can't buy them at retail and support the devs/publishers anymore
The sole exception would be buying these old games in their new digitally distributed form but Nintendo charges 8.99€ for fucking digital Gameboy games and I can run those on a fucking calculator for free or find the actual cartridges for 1€ a pop
So yeah, fuck that shit, piracy and emulation are the way to go

[Anonymous No.4704996]

>>4704836
poorfag

[Anonymous No.4705051]

>>4699074
The original team that created the software doesn't get any of the fucking money for these old games when you buy them on an e-shop or whatever, only the IP holders get money. Why should these shitty crusty already-richer-than-I-could-ever-dream-of-being old bastards get the money when somebody else is the one who did all the work?
And buying from resellers is a fucking joke.

[Anonymous No.4705052]

>>4704980
>Nintendo charges 8.99€ for fucking digital Gameboy games and I can run those on a fucking calculator for free or find the actual cartridges for 1€ a pop

If you can actually get them for 1€ then your excuse for piracy just went out the fucking window.

[Anonymous No.4705098]

At what point does piracy stop mattering?

If a game (or movie/book/music/etc/etc) is no longer being manufactured and cannot be bought "new" anymore, what point is there in caring about piracy?
The copyright holder loses nothing to piracy in that case.

[Anonymous No.4705105]

>>4699818
Because piracy doesn't effect the collector market.

[Anonymous No.4705119]

>>4705052
Free and with all the perks of emulation is still better than 1€ and playing it on an actual ancient green-black Gameboy though
Might still be worth it if you have an Advance or a DS to play it on though

[Anonymous No.4705130]

>>4699074
>pirating
Systems and games been out of production since Clinton was president.
4/10 go fuck urself

[Anonymous No.4705137]

>>4704836
I agree but it's still a pretty damn good value. Way cheaper than trying to buy all the worthwhile games for the console.

I'm a poorfag and I just scraped enough up to order one today. I'm tired of waiting for N64 emulation to get good, and i'm tired of buying Nintendo's artificial slow dripping re-releases, and missing out on the games that don't get re-released.

[Anonymous No.4707227]

>>4705105
If anything it leaves more copies to be sold to those who really want them

[Anonymous No.4707492]

>>4707227
>If anything it leaves more copies to be sold to those who really want them

Don't do it. Hoard them. Join us, feel the darkness coursing through your veins...

[Anonymous No.4707501]

>>4699074
U mad?

[Anonymous No.4708585]

>>4699089
kek i didn't know faggots like you existed

[Anonymous No.4708591]

>>4699824
This guy won this thread right here

[Anonymous No.4708645]

>>4699824
This is actually pretty sad

[Anonymous No.4708713]

>>4707227
Yes but the thing is that if there are more cartridges left then they'll be bought by collectors and resellers (mainly the latter), who will have a highter chance of selling them for higher prices. Think about it, those who aren't willing to pay those higher prices stepped out of the market because of emulation/flashcarts and those who're left behind are those so-called idiots who pay the higher prices, which creates a downward spiral of older physical games becoming more and more expensive because resellers know only those who are willing to pay their asking prices will matter for them.
Besides, even collectors who try to lowball themselves by going to fleamarkets and other places for cheap /vr/ games won't find anything really cheap anymore because most owners wisened up by pricecharting on the internet.

Sure it might be annoying for those who still want to collect NES, SNES or Saturn games (or from other platforms that are notorious for the expensive games on it) or just started it but let's face it, the era where you could get most of those games for 10 dollars or less is over.

For anyone who just started out collecting: either man up and save some more money for those games you really want to own or just emulate. I'm someone who spent a lot of money on retro vidya in several years and even if I'm glad I bought most of the games I always wanted, I don't think it's going to be worth it if you think 40 bucks for one game is already expensive, especially if you want to go for a bigger collection or a full set.