/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.4696767]

Iv'e been replaying this recently and I forgot how much better it was in comparison to OOT. The overworld isn't as boring as OOT's is and the boss's are actually challenging. Although i'd say that OOT's music was a lot better.

Probably one of my favorite games on the SNES, also is the GBA port worth playing? what did it change?

[Anonymous No.4696791]

>>4696767

It's got an extra dungeon and mini sidequest that lets you get the Hurricane Spin from Wind Waker. The extra dungeon's decently fun/challenging.

Aside from giving Link a voice and the slightly changed title screen, there's nothing different other than the inclusion of Four Swords.

You have to play through both ALttP and Four Swords to earn the Palace of the Four Sword, so if you want, I can upload my save file for you on an emulator.

[Anonymous No.4696912]

>>4696791
I heard the secret bonus room in OP's pic was removed in the GBA version is that true?

[Anonymous No.4696937]

>>4696912
That is true.

[Anonymous No.4696959]

>>4696767
GBA version has way inferior sound but so did most of the gba SNES ports.

[Anonymous No.4696961]

How the fuck do I get into the woods in the dark world for the third dungeon I read a guide that said find a portal in the lost woods in the lost world but iv'e looked everywhere and can't find it.

[Anonymous No.4697082]

>>4696767
>i'd say that OOT's music was a lot better

And you would be wrong.

[Anonymous No.4697086]

>>4696961
Go to village in Light World, enter woods from northwest entrance. Take first right and head back down into village. Hammer the pegs below and lift the rock to find the warp.

[Anonymous No.4697089]

>>4696961
Go to village in Light World, enter woods from northwest entrance. Take first right and head back down into village. Hammer the pegs below and lift the rock to find the warp.

[Anonymous No.4697101]

>oh no, its another edgy teen shitting on OOT thread!

[Anonymous No.4697136]

>>4697101
Because teenagers are playing LoZ 1-3.

[Anonymous No.4697142]

>>4696767
late-era 2D games are usually better than their early 3D counterparts, at least as long as the 3D doesn't completely mean they have to revamp the whole concept, like with platformers.
I'm particularly familiar with this thru some RTS/Tycoon games, like Age of Empires, Command and Conquer or Rollercoaster Tycoon. All of those franchises took a dip when they switched over to 3D.
A new technology isn't initially as familiar to devs as one that has been perfected over many years. So the first try will inevitably mean some experimentation and the eventual need for tweaking it to get it right. Like Majora's Mask already improved over some of OoTs weaknesses.
This is the same thinking that nintendo exploited to make the GameBoy a success: lateral thinking with withered technology. Take a technology that isn't the latest new thing, and instead use one that you are familiar with, that doesn't require as many resources, and which will let you focus on game design.

[Anonymous No.4697146]

>>4697142
(cont'd)
the thing is, the innovation value of that technology isn't preserved over time. When we first got OoT it was mind-blowing because we'd never seen something like that. The innovation value was through the roof. However, 20 years later, the innovation value is a novelty at best, and obv adds nothing to the gameplay. The game has "aged", because it lost that innovation value, which LTTP didn't have in the first place, it was just the same basic concept as LoZ, just better in every way. The game doesn't "age" that much.
You have to understand these things also with their historical context. It doesn't make the game better, pair say, but it's important to understand how groundbreaking it was. You can't always just rely on lateral thinking and let others do the actual innovating.
For example, it's silly to judge an early sound or color film to present day standards, instead one must see them also within their historic context and the much more limited capabilities of the time.

[Anonymous No.4697148]

>>4697142
>>4697146

[Anonymous No.4697151]

>>4697148
>gets triggered at someone actually contributing instead of shitposting

[Anonymous No.4697157]

>>4697151
Yawn.

[Anonymous No.4697161]

now play link's awakening
it's equally as good as link to the past

[Anonymous No.4697170]

>>4697161
Is there any reason to play the original version over the DX version?

[Anonymous No.4697282]

>>4696937
Why remove it? It's just a room with some gil.

[Anonymous No.4697285]

>>4697142
>Like Majora's Mask already improved over some of OoTs weaknesses.
Majora's Mask was a step backwards. OoT was the superior game.

[Anonymous No.4697290]

>>4697285
I think he means the more convienant slice of life features, like how MM adds in among other things a more proper text speed/text skip compared to OoT's "all or nothing" style, a more sensible fast travel system, or that there was an item the player could obtain to run faster.

[Anonymous No.4697293]

>>4697170
Original is harder and less contrived in certain elements (such as in the changed Animal Village painting).

[Anonymous No.4697329]

>>4697282
>gil

[Anonymous No.4697378]

I would say OOT and ALTTP are two different beasts.

ALTTP:
-Is fast paced
-Has a more simplistic story
-Isn't cinematic at all
-Suffers more from repetition, specially with later dungeons
-Has a basic control scheme
-Is a bit more open

OOT:
-Is slow paced
-Has better developed characters
-It's quite cinematic, every boss seems more intimidating (not harder, though)
-It's just a bit darker
-Each dungeon is somewhat memorable
-Attempts to have not so basic combat
-It's quite linear, though it does have many little things and secrets that don't just amount to bombing walls

Both are pretty good. I don't get this thing where you have to make one better than the other when they do have their differences. Hell I would say that except for TP, every newer zelda was unique in its own way.

[Anonymous No.4697383]

>>4696767
>also is the GBA port worth playing?

IDK if it is, but if you haven't played Link's Awakening DX (or non DX version) do it immediately. It felt so much like an improved version of ALTTP but perfectly adapted for GBC/GB.

[Anonymous No.4697384]

>>4697146
>pair say

Anon, you had me until I read that point. Good thing I reddit.

[Anonymous No.4697671]

>>4696767
And Links's Awakening is even better.

[Anonymous No.4697678]

>>4697378
I would say ALTTP is a lot darker I mean there's the dark world. I realize Ganon had influence all over Hyrule in OOT but you can REALLY see that with the dark world.

[Anonymous No.4697682]

>>4697146
I get what you're saying but I think in general ALTTP did a lot of things better and people like to be contrarian about it but I think Egoraptors video on OOT summed it up perfectly. I used to prefer OOT over ALTTP until I watched that video and it convinced me otherwise.

[Anonymous No.4697758]

I just beat the third dungeon with the fire rod and it felt really short. I noticed some locked doors still is they're anything worth getting or anything I missed? I already beat the boss inside so i'm surprised how short that was.

[Anonymous No.4697762]

>>4697758
The third dungeon is particularly short.

The dungeons after are a bit of a rollercoaster in terms of difficulty.

[Anonymous No.4697770]

>>4697170
Objectively speaking not, but I personally prefer the original monochrome aesthetic, the colored version is nice, but at places I though colors clashed too much with each other. This is probably nostalgia, but I genuinely feel the monochrome is "the way it was intended", and I think it looks better, especially on a Super Game Boy.
Original also has a glitch that allows you to teleport to different parts of the map at will, probably making it the preferred version for speedruns and shit. Or just to fuck around and have fun.
Lastly, some stuff was changed in the dungeons, nothing big but on the original there were stone pieces you had to collect to read hints about what to do in the dungeon, since sometimes puzzles are a bit cryptic, but on DX they removed the collecting part and I think it just gives you a hint right away, so basically it's made easier.
DX on the other hand added a new dungeon (which I've heard it's not that great, but hey, it's more), another powerup that basically puts you in god-mode, and the pictures which you can print on the GB Printer, this is probably the coolest part.

[Anonymous No.4697919]

Is there like a mod out there or something that makes ALTTP a boss rush mode? it be cool to set the amount of hearts you have, your weapon, and items and just take on all the boss's.

[Anonymous No.4697929]

>>4696767
If you want some real fun, look up Alttp randomizer

[Anonymous No.4698005]

I just beat the 4th boss holy fuck how the fuck is anyone suppose to beat this game without potions? the boss's are fucking brutal it's been such a long time since I played this. I would say the first boss of the dark world is the hardest by far.

[Anonymous No.4698061]

>>4697770
>Lastly, some stuff was changed in the dungeons, nothing big but on the original there were stone pieces you had to collect to read hints about what to do in the dungeon, since sometimes puzzles are a bit cryptic, but on DX they removed the collecting part and I think it just gives you a hint right away, so basically it's made easier.
This is not true. DX version requires you to collect the owl beaks for the hint same as the original. I just played through DX about a month ago so I remember.

[Anonymous No.4698212]

>>4697678
I've always wanted to see the Dark World fully rendered in a 3d environment. A survival game where you have to live in that hellish place.

>kill chicken for meat
>remember that it has no flesh

[Anonymous No.4699764]

>>4697929
This is amazing! Thanks anon

[Anonymous No.4702003]

>>4698005
Are you serious? I never found any bosses in this game hard.

[Anonymous No.4702008]

>>4696767
The only thing I didn't really like of the GBA version was this thing Nintendo had with adding voices to every re-release just because they could. It was super unnecesary and made the games a little more annoying.

[Anonymous No.4702010]

>>4697082
Except OP is not shitting on OOT? He's just stating why likes one game over the other but it's not saying "OOT is crap for these reasons"

[Anonymous No.4702013]

>>4697082
>>4702010
Sorry, meant for >>4697101

[Anonymous No.4702324]

>>4697157
Nice comeback fag rofl

[Anonymous No.4702926]

>>4697929
I just got into that lately and it's addictive as fuck.

[Anonymous No.4702982]

>>4702003
without potions the moth boss with the moving floors is pretty hard.

[Anonymous No.4702990]

>>4702982
Just catch a fairy with the net and store it in a bottle. It resurrects you if you die and you can store like 3-4 if I remember correctly. Makes it impossible to lose. There are fairy ponds all over the map too so it's not hard to replenish them.

[Anonymous No.4702991]

>>4697282
I think data for it is still there, but the room exists as an exception handler, and the GBA version is more stable so there isn't any easy exploit to force yourself in there.

[Anonymous No.4702995]

>>4702990
better to get red medicine instead because it restores more health than fairies do.

[Anonymous No.4702997]

>>4702991
Is there a current picture of the guy and what he looks like then and now?

[Anonymous No.4703002]

>>4696767
Isn't OOT a remake of A Link to the Past?

[Anonymous No.4703003]

>>4702995
It costs some rupees (not really a big deal though) but more importantly it only triggers if you use it. Fairies will only pop if you die so you can potentially clutch on low hearts and not have to use the fairies.

I usually filled all my bottles with fairies except for one which I filled with the potion that restores both hp+magic.

[Anonymous No.4703006]

>>4703002
You are retarded.

[Anonymous No.4703010]

>>4703006
It was rhetorical. It's mostly a remake. Prick.

[Anonymous No.4703045]

>>4703010
No it's not. Again, you are retarded.

[Anonymous No.4703053]

>>4703045
You're too young to know better, but you're still a prick.

[Anonymous No.4705176]

>>4703002
If you want to be really reductive, you could say that. But you'd be mostly wrong.

[Anonymous No.4705203]

>>4703003

fairies count against you in terms of death count. You know, if you're an autist about these things

>>4703002

Not at all. At most the collecting of precious stones to get the master sword is an homage.

[Anonymous No.4705214]

>>4705203
Does the game provide a death count for you at the end? I don't remember. Is there a bonus for a no death clear? In Link's Awakening the no death clear lets you see Marin fly away as a seagull.

[Anonymous No.4705217]

>>4705214
It does provide a death count. It even tells you which dungeons you died in.

There's no bonus for beating the game without dying unfortunately... but it's pretty satisfying.

[Anonymous No.4705219]

>>4705217
Pretty cool is that in the end credits somewhere? Can't believe I never noticed it considering how many times I've beat the game.

[Anonymous No.4705242]

It's not a death count. It's a "games played" count that counts both deaths and save & quits. If you want a 000 you have to beat it both deathless and in one sitting.

[Anonymous No.4705247]

>>4705219

It's either before or after the credits, I don't remember which. But yeah, it scrolls up with the names of the dungeons and the number of deaths, with the total at the end, and then the total is displayed on your file.

I'm pretty sad they stopped giving you a death count, playing the game with as few deaths as possible was alwlays fun.. though it'd be a breeze in most of the 3D games.

[Anonymous No.4705921]

>>4705247
there are an infinite number of timelines or "lives" but only a scant few where the hero is successful