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Anonymous Thu Apr 5 23:14:47 2018 No.4694546 [Reply] [Original]

Service Games had a really rich and enviable range of IP's.
How could they fuck up so much by only making sonics and neglecting everything else?

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 5 23:20:04 2018 No.4694551 Yakuza series is superior to all that lame, boring, outdated shit.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 5 23:23:02 2018 No.4694556 >>4694546 easy because even at it's worst sonic still sells more than 90% of everything there

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 5 23:41:30 2018 No.4694575 >>4694551 >t. Dipshit weeb

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 6 00:58:49 2018 No.4694676 >>4694546 >Why did they neglect game series that was a financial flop?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 6 06:23:56 2018 No.4695002 >>4694556 Wrong. Bayonetta is a cash cow for Sega too.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 6 06:32:08 2018 No.4695008 >>4694546 It's not even just Sega. Capcom, Konami, even Square are pretty content to not actually DO anything. We entered a nightmare future where development costs have made it too expensive for game makers to MAKE games

Anonymous Fri Apr 6 06:37:40 2018 No.4695016

>>4695002
>Bayo
>cash cow
The first one made it to 1.35 million sales 1 year after release which is nice but they said was below expectations
Second one apparently did so poorly they never even commented on it or released data for it
I doubt they consider it a top-tier franchise or even a priority. Comparing it to Sonic is like comparing Zone of the Enders to Metal Gear Solid or something

Anonymous Fri Apr 6 06:45:35 2018 No.4695024
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>>4695002
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>>4694546
>How could they fuck up so much by only making sonics and neglecting everything else?
Because non of those franchises sell near as mush as Sonic, even back in the day the biggest seller besides Sonic was Sakura Taisen that sold a total of 4.5 million units as a whole, heck even Phantasy Star Online 2 isn't that big of a deal, Sega had original and fun games in their home consoles but none of them where a commercial success or managed to get attached to people besides hardcore fans as much as their arcade games and even so we don't see any arcade IP of them any more.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 6 06:48:22 2018 No.4695029 >>4695024 Also, some fag in 2Chan was saying the other day that Sega had plans for a Virtua Fighter but it was canceled after seeing how bad SF5 and MVCI where received

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 6 07:00:11 2018 No.4695035 >>4695029 >after seeing how bad SF5 and MVCI where received But that's because they where horrible anti consumer pieces of shit

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 6 07:14:18 2018 No.4695051 >>4695035 If the rumor was true, then Sega planned to be anti consumer pieces of shit themselves.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 6 07:39:19 2018 No.4695065 >>4695008 Hellblade has shown you can make a high-end game without going crazy on it. Nips are just stubborn traditionalists who are slow to change and adapt.

Anonymous Fri Apr 6 07:51:48 2018 No.4695073

>>4695065
The only high-end thing about Hellblade are the graphics/art direction
It's literally a walking simulator with "press button to win" combat
I'd rather they keep blowing budgets on things that resemble actual games or just let the IPs stay dead than doom them to that fate

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 6 08:19:20 2018 No.4695092 >>4694546 And I’m glad they have such a great legacy.

Anonymous Fri Apr 6 08:39:26 2018 No.4695115

The last gen was generally shit for SEGA. SEGA used to release many games during the sixth gen - Toejam and Earl 3, Panzer Dragoon Orta, Altered Beast, Space Channel 5, OutRun 2, House of the Dead III, Gunvalkyrie, Jet Set Radio Future.

However, things are changing. Last year we got Sonic Mania, Yakuza 0, Puyo Puyo vs Tetris and others outside of SEGA like Wonder Boy Dragon's Trap and Night Trap 20th Year Anniversary. Maybe this generation will redeem SEGA like so many other companies have experienced.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 6 08:41:56 2018 No.4695120 ...So. If SEGA is short for Service Games... Does it means the actual correct way to pronounce SEGA is "SAH-GAY"?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 6 11:47:25 2018 No.4695378 >>4695002 >Bayonetta >it took a deal between platinum & nintendo for them to make a sequel >a cash cow the only other IP sega has that probably does as well or better than sonic is the persona games

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 6 11:51:18 2018 No.4695386 >>4695115 well we are getting a new virtual on, a new house of the dead and a new bayonetta so that's something.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 6 17:41:06 2018 No.4696097 >>4695120 No, because you pronounce it like a japanese would do.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 6 17:42:47 2018 No.4696101 BRING BACK VIRTUA FIGHTER PLEEAAAASSSSE

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 6 18:18:04 2018 No.4696157 >>4696097 But SEGA didn't start as a Jap company...

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 6 18:47:27 2018 No.4696214 >>4694551 Got its idea from Shenmue tho.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 7 06:53:21 2018 No.4697267 >>4696157 They where Hawaiian, that's almost close enough

Anonymous Sat Apr 7 08:10:24 2018 No.4697327

I believe it's better to SEGA to just create new IPs, like he did almost constanly in his golden days. We all now the're are not going to live to the expectations of new sequels for Golden Axe, Shinobi or Streets of Rage. The magic it's not there anymore. Also Ninjas, F-14s or barbarians are not cool anymore nowadays.

What they have to go back it's to capture the spirit of that era: optimism, experimentation, cool concepts, memorable characters, freshness, etc, and then, maybe if they have some good ideas, bring back some old IP.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 7 08:43:22 2018 No.4697353 >>4697267 >They we're Hawaiian No shit? Learn something new everyday.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 7 09:53:07 2018 No.4697431 >>4697353 A japanese firm bought a hawaiian arcade company that distributed coin game cabinets to the US Navy established in the Pearl Harbor. That's how SEGA was made.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 7 10:17:55 2018 No.4697469 >>4695029 Aren't Sega aware of how good DBFZ is going?

Anonymous Sat Apr 7 10:48:25 2018 No.4697524
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>>4697469
DBFZ sold because the brand is popular all over the world, Virtua Fighter was overshadowed by Tekken when Tekken was released in 1995(?), even in Japan now days VF is not popular.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 7 10:53:46 2018 No.4697532 >>4697469 >Sold on brand name >80% drop in playerbase after two weeks when normalfags realized they were tricked into buying a genre they hate Fighting games are a dead genre.

Anonymous Sat Apr 7 16:28:53 2018 No.4698156

>>4697532

It's not that the genre is dead it's just that FGC faggots who talk the most hype aren't the big fish they think they are, so when people buy the game to play either alone or with ACTUAL poeple they know instead of being BADASS INTERNET WARRIORS they start blaming everyone else. Look at what happened to SF5. Game is rushed out for Tourney fags and it fails miserably, but despite the game being an anti consumer peace of shit they still treat it like the second coming because they can't get Capcom's dick out of their mouth

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 7 23:21:02 2018 No.4698957 >>4694546 >Bayonetta At this point, that series might as well be a Nintendo IP.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 7 23:34:39 2018 No.4698983 >>4698957 It's the same deal Activsion did with Sony to release N.Sane Trilogy first on PS4…

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 7 23:35:50 2018 No.4698985 >>4698983 Except Bayonetta 2 didn't have non-Nintendo releases

Anonymous Sat Apr 7 23:45:21 2018 No.4698997

>>4695065
No. Nips just hate bullshit.
Western games of the current era are 90% bullshit.
The left side is crap and the right side isn't making anything. As far as we're concerned, this is bad because it drives people back into the older generations, which drives up demand, which drives up costs on products with dwindling supply.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 7 23:53:23 2018 No.4699020 >>4698985 For now.

Anonymous Sun Apr 8 00:18:40 2018 No.4699057

>>4697524
Sega could do a IP crossover fighting game. That would definitely be pretty sweet and would have large fanbase appeal.

You've already got a good base of characters with Virtua Fighter, Fighting Vipers, Streets of Rage, Golden Axe and Shinobi. Throw in a couple of Virtua On bots, Nights, Rent-a-Hero, a Yakuza character, Ryo from Shenmue, Bayonetta, Comix Zone Dude, a Jet Set character and maybe Ulala. You've then got a fuck ton of more niche characters for future variants.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 8 00:20:28 2018 No.4699060 >>4699057 That's called Project X Zone

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 8 01:21:36 2018 No.4699140 >>4699020 Nintendo funded it, and they're funding the third game aswell. Face it, its not getting ported to non-nintendo systems anytime soon.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 8 01:24:50 2018 No.4699145 >>4698983 Except its nothing like that at all.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 8 02:09:11 2018 No.4699236 >>4694546 Given what the Souls games have done in repopularizing super-hard games, I'm surprised Sega hasn't revived Shinobi.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 8 03:09:42 2018 No.4699329 >>4697532 >>4698156 For DBFZ though, they actually tried to "get Capcom's dick out of their mouth" by getting rid of MVCI (which had many problems, to be fair).

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 8 03:14:10 2018 No.4699340 >>4699057 They did fighters megamix and it was hot back in the day. They never did it again because sega is full of old men who do dumb things like skip out on QA

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 8 03:20:07 2018 No.4699352 File: 7 KB, 238x212, opaopa.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4694546 we need a fuckin Fantasy Zone 3

Anonymous Sun Apr 8 03:21:43 2018 No.4699354

>>4699329

DBZ is too Niche a title from the start. I know niggas love Dragon Ball Z and Fighting games but the appeal is just too narrow. And yeah not everyone likes marvel either but that had a longer history of capcom fighting games and still could appeal to the capcom side of it's roster.

To be blunt though I don't think tournaments should be as big as they've become. Im all for competition but it's something that needs to be defined by it's players on a local sense and not it's sponsors.

The idea of pro-gaming just creates and unnecessary divide between the larger bulk of people buying the game and the small handful of "pros" who somehow got it into their heads that they speak for everyone despite making up maybe 20 percent of the market.

Anonymous Sun Apr 8 04:07:13 2018 No.4699414

>>4699354
>DBZ is too Niche a title from the start.
Game sold more than SF5 and MVCI together in their releases, but i agree on the pro gaming part, SF5 was created by having them being a big part of it, the game managed to sell 2.5M units just recently that talks how bad Capcom fuck up with this one.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 8 04:16:47 2018 No.4699427 >>4695002 >>4695016 >>4698985 >>4698156 >>4698985 >>4698983 >>4698997 >>4695065 >>4695073 Nice RETRO discussion, faggots. >>>/v

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 8 11:23:32 2018 No.4699873 >>4699236 Shadow Dancer and Revenge of Shinobi are not even that hard.

Anonymous Sun Apr 8 11:51:33 2018 No.4699920

>>4699873
They're pretty tough on max difficulty. Harder than Ninja Gaiden NES imo...

>>4699236
3DS Shinobi is honestly 2hard4me. Not harder than arcade Shinobi, but it's not (quite) fun enough to memorize enemy placement in levels that are like 20 minutes long a piece. I feel like they decided the game wasn't long enough at the last minute and just padded everything out with more of the same.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 8 12:17:48 2018 No.4699983 >>4694546 daytona, puyo, valkyria. HOTD all had games recently bayonetta, shining ... , and virtua fighter will have new games out next year

Anonymous Sun Apr 8 13:31:44 2018 No.4700148
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>>4694546
>tfw nobody knows about this fucking amazing and hilarious fighting game
Can't blame 'em since it never got a home release though. There was a local tourney for old and obscure fighting games in my city yesterday, this being one of them, and holy shit is it dope. I would implore everyone here to rev up DEMUL and check this fucker out.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 8 21:48:31 2018 No.4701412 >>4699983 Don't forget that Toejam & Earl game that was kickstarted 4 years ago.

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