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Is it understandable for a retro game store to have a 'no returns' policy?

>> No.4688160

>>4688153
As in returning it because you decided you didn't really want it after all? Heck yes, it would be weird if they did. Might as well just open up a free rental store.

>> No.4688163

>>4688153
As long as they allow for you to test your purchases and give you some way to get your money back if you're sold a paperweight, sure.

>> No.4688165

>>4688153
most of them do and only offer exchanges

>> No.4688170

>>4688160
>Heck
This is a Christian board, anon.

>> No.4688179

You can either give me a refund or I'll steal something of equal value.

>> No.4688190

>>4688163
receipt for this place says defective games get a swap of the same game
problem is i bought the only copy
curious to see if stores like this not allowing returns on products that could naturally just run dry is bullshit or not

>> No.4688195

No returns for used goods is illegal in my country because it is civilized

>> No.4688209

No returns =/= No refunds. Since a lot of people seem to be missing this concept. Any business is required to give refunds if the item is not as advertised, and depending on the state they may have to give a refund if the item breaks within a week to a month. To RETURN an item to the store implies the item is the same as when it was purchased, and there was no problem with the item's functionality. As stated by others in the thread, this is to prevent people from doing "free" rentals. This policy exists at practically every used game store for this very reason.

>> No.4688212 [DELETED] 

>>4688195
If you have to insist a country is civilized, it probably isn't. Your awkward English is another dead giveaway.

>> No.4688236
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4688236

There's some inherent risk in buying used electronics, if the store has signage that there's no returns then that's just the way it is. There are times when this policy will hurt an honest customer who might've bought a game that wasn't tested by the store and doesn't work. But it also protects the store from dishonest customers who could take advantage of a return policy to "rent" games.

I also remember a story from a /vr/ anon who worked in a used game store
>all games in store tested before going on shelf
>guy buys copy of super metroid
>comes back next day saying it doesn't work, wants his money back
>"doesn't work? alright lets put it in our snes and try it"
>pops it in snes on counter hooked up to lil tv
>guy starts getting nervous, "nevermind give it back i changed my mind"
>turns on snes, game immediately comes on but it's not SM, it's snes Wheel of Fortune
>guy runs out of the store, never came back

>> No.4688320

>>4688190
You should never buy a used game without the store proving it works. Any good store will be happy to. One that won't is likely to scam you.

>> No.4688335

>>4688153
>San Andreas
>retro

OH NO NO NON ON NO

>> No.4688342

>>4688335
Gamestop certainly wasn't stocking PS2 games for ages up until recently (iirc). Where am I gonna buy San Andreas? ebay?

>> No.4688347

>>4688320
True. I didn't think of bringing my system with me at the time. Definitely gonna do so if I decide to try and return/exchange it. Also thinking of cleaning the chips with the peroxide stuff like I've read.

>> No.4688349

>>4688153
They don't want to run into the gamestop problem of having their used stock be turned into a rental service. After Blockbuster shit itself I went through a whole list of Wii games just picking them up used and then turning them in after a week through bullshit excuses at various gamestops.

>> No.4688354

totally understandable, the customer is always wrong

>> No.4688359

>>4688342
You're going to pirate it, dummy.
>current year 2017
>paying for shit that's literally easier to get for free than it is to pay for it.

>> No.4688391

>>4688153
damn that place be dingy

>> No.4688392

>>4688179
5 finger justice

>> No.4688403

>>4688153
No. If a cartridge or a disc doesn't work, you shouldn't be shit out of luck.
My local store has a two week window for returns. They only give store credit if you partake, but that's perfectly fair.

>> No.4688418

>OLDS KOOL
>missing an apostrophe
>using Pac-Man for a O
>implying the peace symbol is cool to anyone who wasn't born in the 40s/50s
>multicolor tetrominoes

>> No.4688424

>>4688342
If you have any out-of-the-way Walmarts nearby, check in there. A lot of them still have the PS2 boxset that had GTA3, Vice City, and San Andreas tucked away in the clearance section. Along with a bunch of other late PS2 games.

>> No.4688480

>>4688153
I understand why they might want to do this but also understand it's not legally doable in many places

>> No.4688484

>>4688236
At least cut the traces if you're gonna do that.

>> No.4688703

>>4688236
>if the store has signage that murder is allowed then that's just the way it is
Thanks for saving us from ignorance Kid Lawyer

>> No.4688730

>>4688335
>muh safe place
ps2 era old as fuck

>> No.4688964

thats an instant red flag for me. this makes me assume the shop doesnt bother to test their games and doesnt want to be liable for shit that ended up not working.

>> No.4689029

>>4688153
Yes, they don't want to lose money when you find out you've been ripped off. Many "retro game" stores are selling fakes or partially broken games. One place I know actually opens up the old NES games that are broken inside, takes out the loose piece of broken plastic and sometimes parts of the PCB, puts them back together and sells them as pristine. And they open all their rare games "to make sure they're authentic" being ignorant to the fact that it ruins the game's value and makes it a tampered game unfit for setting records, but they don't care. Retro game shops area rip-off!

>> No.4689068

>>4689029
>opening a rare game ruins the game's value making it a tampered game unfit for setting records

I think you might be the retard in this situation. Do you actually believe the words you typed? There isn't a single part of that that's true unless the game in question is sold as brand new sealed. Anybody "going for records" only cares that the game is legitimate. Carts are opened all the time to verify this and you are wrong

>> No.4689103

>>4689068
Listen, fatfuck, your store sucks.

>hurr people don't care if some fat neckbeard opened the game that I bought thinking was in great condition

kys

>> No.4689112

>>4689103
They pretty much have to open rare carts nowadays because of repros. The only way to tell is to look at the PCB and see if the EEPROM (I think that's it?) is authentic or if it's a replacement. For NES games at least the EEPROM has the NUS number printed on it whereas a fake has nothing on it.

>> No.4689113

>no one minds if I open this game
>no one will know I tampered with this game
>on one will know this game has been worked on

>> No.4689118

>>4689112
That's bullshit. There are ways of telling a reproduction cart without stooping to fucking opening the thing thus lowering its value and making it susceptible to any number of bad things that the dumbness person opening it tends to inflict. Leave the business.

>> No.4689119

>>4689112
And you think people can't copy those too? I'll stick to buying classic games from good honest people who don't open their games, know where they came from and don't generally try to rip me off, like some would.

>> No.4689130

>>4689118
>caring about the 'value' of a fucking video game for any other reason than wanting to avoid being ripped off
Yea okay, I buy games to play them. Only reason I'd give a shit if they were authentic or not is if I'm buying Earthbound or Little Samson or whatever and didn't want to pay 700 bucks for a cheap repro.

Anyways I'm not in any sort of business, but assuming the outer shell is a 1:1 replica made by an unscrupulous person hoping to pass it off as authentic, how would you ascertain whether or not it's the real thing?

>> No.4689172

>>4689130

I play games too, but I also take care of them and don't want some random jackass with their dorito-stained fingers fuckering around with the insides of something I expect to have been put together by [insert company] and then finally to me. I understand there may be times where opening a game are acceptable, but this rash of people opening even the cheapest games to check for muh repros is killing drive of buying among the AUTHENTIC COLLECTIBLE gamers. Gamers like me who want their stuff not to be shit inside and out and the best way to avoid that is get stuff that hasn't been working on in any way shape or form.

If the problem gets worse I'll just stop collecting.

>> No.4689174

* worked on.

So I hope you understand me better, but if not oh well, it just makes buying games that much more of a chore because if I get a sniff that a game has been opened, to me it's been worked on and I will not buy it no matter what it is.

>> No.4689208

>>4689172
>>4689174
You really should not be "collecting" if you have that attitude. You are the problem, not the game shops

>> No.4689213

i rolled the dice at one of those places with a few DC games. 4/5 of the games didn't work. if they allowed returns on broken games they'd never make any money selling broken games, so yes it's reasonable for them in the short term. somehow the locally owned company (had 3 shops in 3 towns around here) tanked pretty quickly, so it might not be reasonable in the long run.

>> No.4689220

>>4689208
I'm sorry logic eludes you.

>> No.4689229

>>4689213
>they'd never make any money selling broken games
Well, why should they? Unless they are advertised as broken/untested.

>> No.4689349

>>4689220
What is logical about what you're proposing?

Even outside of verifying legitimacy, opening cartridges is the most effective way to clean the pins. I've opened every cartridge I own so I can verify the condition of the pins and clean them as best I can. Whether it's with contact cleaner, an eraser, or Brasso, you really can't get a solid cleaning with the plastic still connected. I like to keep my games in good condition so when I go to play them I don't have a problem. You can't fit an eraser into the slot and give the pins good leverage, you can spray contact cleaner but that risks damaging the labels sometimes and doesn't clean as thoroughly. Brasso is my favorite and you just can't apply/clean it with the plastic in place.

What you're proposing is completely unrealistic, this has nothing to do with "jackasses with dorito-stained fingers".

>> No.4689369

>>4689229
Morally/to maintain a good reputation with the community they shouldn't sell broken games, I agree. But from a making money stance it's reasonable why stupid people would adopt the logic of, "i bought all these broken games and i want a return. i'll put up a sign that says no returns and get my money back that way." But they were morally questionable and went out of business thanks to their shady practices.

>> No.4689486

>>4689029
If you're buying something to be a collector's item you're not going to play, or your plan is to flip it then that's your deal. And then it doesn't even really matter what's in the box because you'll never know if it's working/legit anyways.

But if you plan to actually play it then it would be extremely foolish not to make sure it works at the store.

Also it would be foolish for a store to sell something without knowing for certain what it was.

>> No.4689493

>>4689208
This guy gets it.

>> No.4689498

>>4689369
That's why it's important to check the works and is real BEFORE you buy it.

>> No.4689508

the store i work at offers cash back within 7 days, we're pretty flexible.

>> No.4689553

>>4689493
In the ass from his boyfriend, we know.

>> No.4689560

>>4689486
Of course I make sure it works before I buy something like that, usually. Sometime I'll take a chance, but I've never bought anything broken yet. It's also foolish for stores to damage merchandise which is what they do by opening games and meddling with them.

Just say no to tampered broken games fucked with by shopkeeper Bill.

>> No.4689570

My buddy's store put a small warranty sticker over one of the screws on the cartridge. So if it doesn't work and if that sticker wasn't tampered with then you're allowed to return. They also let you test before you buy.

>> No.4689579

>>4689570
No, no, leaving marks while removing the screws is awesome and I want to know that someone fiddled with it after the game company figured it was good enough only then will I be gay enough and attain sparkle power!

>> No.4689631

>>4689579
What the fuck you on about?

>> No.4689657

>>4689631
I learned today that only the smartest gamers buy games that random people opened and tampered with-it's neat!

>> No.4689669

>>4689560
It's pretty fucking hard to test if a game works without taking it out of the box. I don't get what you're missing about this.

>> No.4689680

>>4689669
I was talking about cartridges out of their cardboard boxes, but what you're talking about is understandable in many ways. One, if you want to play the game or just look at it. In that case it's dumb if the person bought the game at a premium price just to confirm what it is.

>pays through the nose to get Ocarina of Time sealed
>opens it

Know what I mean? Unless one wants to get that original feeling of opening those guys back then. Whatever. Just don't open the fucking screws.

>> No.4689724

>>4688153
so some fuckwad can exchange his repros for legit copies? how about fuck no

>> No.4689728

>>4689130
>Yea okay, I buy games to play them. Only reason I'd give a shit if they were authentic or not is if I'm buying Earthbound or Little Samson or whatever and didn't want to pay 700 bucks for a cheap repro.

then buy a flashcart, retard

>> No.4689770

>>4689680
Well if it's not sealed in it's box then what's the issue with seeing that it works in the store before buying?

>> No.4689816

>>4688153
If you don't accept my request for a refund I'm gonna get my dad to beat you up.

>> No.4689958

>went back to store to exchange
>other game i got seemed to work fine at the store
>get home to play
>it randomly messes up like the last one
fucking shit
must be the system then. may as well just emulate.

>> No.4689989

>>4689657
Almost every game you've ever bought used has had the screws taken out.

There's no way for you to even know that they haven't unless you do it for yourself and feel the virgin torque that they have. And if the last person knows what that should feel like too? Then you'll never know he was in there.

>> No.4690002

>>4689728
I have flashcarts, fuckface, it's not the same as having the actual cart. I've got an SD2Snes and an Everdrive N8 and while they play most games they also don't support SA-1, SuperFX, MMC5, or many obscure NES mappers, and having one flashcart lying around still isn't the same as having the actual games.

>> No.4690089

>>4689989
Bullshit. Not everyone's opening their cartridges and in fact most have stayed sealed.

>> No.4690175

>>4689989
>you've
That's not how you spell I made shit up because reasons

>> No.4690287

>>4690089
Why do you persist in your ignorance? Does it make you feel like you've "won" or something?

>> No.4690303

>>4690287
To be fair he's likely right considering you need specialty bits to open up the cartridges. The good majority of carts haven't been opened but still, there's no way for anyone but the most autistic of autists to tell if a cartridge has been opened before unless they attempt to open it themselves.

>> No.4690313

>>4690303
And they tend to use the wrong size bits and bore the screw wells.

>> No.4690339

>>4690313
There's only two sizes. Pretty hard to fuck up, really.

>> No.4690363

>>4690339
Give most people a chance to fuck up and they will, anon.

>> No.4690372

>>4690339
And I left out the chuckleheads who use standard screwdrivers and force them to work tearing up the plastic walls in the screw wells in the process.

>> No.4690378

>>4690363
Eh, true,
>>4690372
How does that even work? Can people even do that?

>> No.4690392

Hey, since the subject is around opening the games, I'm curious.
What do you use to clean them? Been using a slightly damp q-tip to clean the chips of my GBC games. Kinda tempted to open one and see just how bad it looks inside.

>> No.4690398

>>4690392
Q-tip with 90% isopropyl rubbing alcohol usually does the trick. Brasso for the really bad cases, but typically the alcohol works.

>> No.4690404

>>4690398
Been reading about that. Also read just water (which is what I used) and the guy at the game store uses Windex, which concerned me a bit. Said the alcohol can corrode the chips.

>> No.4690405

>>4690398
72-70% is fine too.

>> No.4690407

>>4690392
If it hasn't been opened, it will look pristine inside, anon, unless it's been exposed to mold or water or other moisture.

>> No.4690412

>>4690404
Fucking windex fags. That's the worst because it doesn't dry as well as isopropyl and it stains the wafers! Ugh the idiots that do that.

>> No.4690461

>>4690404
Water will rust if you leave it there. Isopropyl at any percent above 70% will evaporate away even in a musty room with no airflow before it has time to rust anything. Making it 100% safe to use. If your just sticking q-tips into the slot at the bottom you risk liquid sticking in the crevices between the plastic and the PCB. Which is more dangerous if your using water, but isopropyl with still evaporate away. Windex is for fucking idiots who paint their discs with toothpaste.

>> No.4691053

I open all of my carts, every morning. Makes for a great upper body work out.

>> No.4691253

>>4689724
There are some stores that will open the cartridge to make sure it's not a repro before they'll buy it from you. Even so it's rare that the people making reporos don't fuck up something externally that makes it clear that it's reproduction.

>> No.4691268

>>4688153
> no returns policy
depends what country your in. in australia (where i am currently), if the purchase is faulty/fucked, they have to replace it or refund you. it's the law. if the shop doesn't and refuses to, they can be forced to. only in lamercia would you have such shitty consumer protection laws. top fucking kek. glad i don't live in that giant SHITHOLE.

>> No.4691274

>>4690461
>idiots who paint their discs with toothpaste.

Dude toothpaste is legit, it helped me get past a cutscene that kept locking up in Chrono Cross and got my copy of Megaman 8 working again. You just gotta use the right kind and the right application method.

>> No.4691310

>>4688153
What are they going to do, take apart every cartridge to check if it's been replaced with a repo?

>> No.4691491

>>4688347
Most stores have systems set up so you can test them there.
Also I don't know if this belongs in this thread, but do star Fox 64 carts feel different? I was looking at the game, but the cart felt really light, and the seam on the side wasn't flush you could feel the edge stick out a bit. My gut told me something was off so I didn't get it are bootlegs a big problem for N64 games?

>> No.4692940

>>4688418
Where exactly do you think an apostrophe is supposed to go in "old skool"....?

>> No.4693284

>>4692940
He thought it said 'OLDS KOOL'