/psg/ - Phantasy Star General

[Anonymous No.4671695]

Anon, we have work to do! Hurry up and get ready!

[Anonymous No.4671747]

>>4671695

It still hurts

[Anonymous No.4671773]

I really don't like Chaz nor do I care for his waifus or coming of age story

[Anonymous No.4671809]

>>4671695
Never played, always wanted to. Don't own a master system, only a genesis. Am I okay to skip the first game and go right to the second?

[Anonymous No.4671979]

>>4671809
While I find PS2 the most aesthetically pleasing game in the series when it comes to designs and music, I realize that it didn’t age that well and can be tiresome to play in this day and age. So you can skip right to PS IV. It is the best in the series and one of the pinnacles of 16-but JRPGs. You won’t miss that much, just occasional references to past games that won’t confuse you.
If you like IV, then play previous games. Especially I that IV is most connected to.

[Anonymous No.4671986]

Best way to play these games is the Phantasy Star Complete Collection on PS2 and PS3 (PSN JP) 1-4 in english, speed up button in the first Phantasy Star, supports 240p and 480p with scanlines

[Anonymous No.4671995]

Also, pay attetention to those 3 interviews with Phantasy Star development team that were posted yesterday. They are quite an interesting reads that give insight to the development process and even expand lore.
http://shmuplations.com/phantasystariv/ Interview about PS4
http://shmuplations.com/psiirelease/ About PS2
http://shmuplations.com/phantasystarmusic/ And talk with BO and IPPO, composers of the series.

[Anonymous No.4673118]

Love love love these games. Wish we could have another entry in the series.

[Anonymous No.4673352]

>>4671809
>go right to the second?
I wouldn't recommend it. For various reasons the only sane places to start are the first game or 4, being the most polished by far and overall enjoyable. 2 is a real slog through a world that you won't yet be invested in.

[Anonymous No.4673382]

Phantasy Star IV is my favorite game of all time. Never get tired of playing through it.

[Anonymous No.4673390]

>>4671979
I liked it. It is retro in a good way, unlike say, Final Fantasy 1.

[Anonymous No.4673415]

Any futuristic retro RPGs like Phantasy Star where the setting matches the story?

>use high tech weapons and gear in a high tech world

[Anonymous No.4673416]

>>4671995
>shmuplations is alive again
Halle-fucking-lujah

[Anonymous No.4673448]

God I miss PS4.

[Anonymous No.4673564]

I want to play Phantasy Star 1.

Should I play the Master System version or the Sega Ages PS2 version?

I don't care about looks. I just want the version of the game with the least glitches and such. Mostly worried if this is Final Fantasy 1 situation or not where the original game is kind of a mess.

[Jester !!Prf4dcx7euE No.4673569]

Jrpg purist here

IV sucks and so does 1 2 and 3

[Anonymous No.4673570]

I want to play Phantasy Star 1.

Should I play the Master System version or the Sega Ages PS2 version?

I don't care about looks. I just want the version of the game with the least glitches and such. Mostly worried if this is Final Fantasy 1 situation or not where the original game is kind of a mess.

[Anonymous No.4673575]

>>4673570
PSI is pretty fine to play on a Master System emulator - look for the options to enable FM sound (I can't remember if it's a patch w/ retranslation or not). The game is leagues better than FF1 with far less in the way of glitches and the like. I haven't played the remake on the PS2 but I hear it's ok as well.

[Anonymous No.4673584]

>>4673575
Thank you

>>4673415
Play Anachronox
also...

Cyber Knight 1&2 (there's an English fan translation patch)

Lagrange Point (there's an English fan translation patch)

Robotrek

[Anonymous No.4674379]

>>4673382
Me too. It's so perfect. I feel in love with the universe, music, characters... There's this melancholic feeling about a human civilization living in small towns in tiny planets whose climate is controlled by millennium old cyborgs, idk. Same reason why I loved PS3 too.

[Anonymous No.4675312]

>>4673570
>Should I play the Master System version
You should. The remake is awful.
>http://www.smspower.org/Translations/PhantasyStar-SMS-EN
This is the translation you want. In addition to being sane English instead of 80's All Your Base gibberish it is based on a version of the game that has FM sound. The FM sound is absolutley worth playing on an emulator for even if you have a real (non-Japanese) MS.

>I just want the version of the game with the least glitches and such.
There are no real bugs to speak of in the original, but the remake is an entirely different game with entirely different mechanics, so it's difficult to compare any gameplay problems they may have but I dislike change for the sake of change so I say the new one is shit and the old one is fine.

[Anonymous No.4675404]

>>4675312
yeah, the remake looks ok and all, but it can't compare to those lovingly-crafted sprites on the SMS. They were meant to WOW you back in the day!

Not even Phantasy Star 2 could keep up with the first game's mega grafixx.

[Anonymous No.4675432]

>>4675404
They wow even today. Huge, colorful and animated enemy sprites is one of the things I love most about PS1.

[Anonymous No.4675560]

>>4671995
Thanks for this. I only could read the soundtrack interview. What CD are they talking about? Does it include the music from the entire series or only PS1?
>you will never go to a Phantasy Star symphonic concert in Japan

[Anonymous No.4675581]

>>4675560
>go to a Phantasy Star symphonic concert
>can't hear anything; look around
>50 mics are surrounding the snare drum and the amp is cranked all the way up

why i oughtta

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ixq03NZIDmw

[Anonymous No.4676378]

>>4671995
Are those the composers for the first game only or also the others?

[Anonymous No.4676405]

>>4676378
At least Phantasy Star 1-3. I can't remember who composed 4's soundtrack, though the link says it's rumored that Ippo Yamada (Mega Man Zero series) did it while at Capcom.

[Anonymous No.4676409]

Oh man, I love this series.
Last Christmas I played through 1, 2, 3 and 4.
That scene with all the heroes from previous games in 4 gave me chills.

If anyone has a decent sized picture of that image put together, please share it with a bro. I want to use it on my phone.

[Anonymous No.4676585]

>>4676409
This was the best I could find, assuming this is the scene you're talking about(from PSIV, by the way). I have another that I'll post once the timer is done...

[Anonymous No.4676586]

>>4676409
>>4676585
Here's the second one I have. Not a scene, but it has all the heroes from PS games up to now.

[Anonymous No.4676710]

Kyra a cute! CUTE!

[Anonymous No.4678126]

>I'm sorry, but we really aren't able to return people who aren't human. It just doesn't work. Just above Paseo is a plateau; why not put her to rest up there? Don't be sad--everyone must die sometime; your friend led a full life!

What about all the other times you took my money and brought her back to life, you racist old bitch!!!

[Anonymous No.4678317]

>>4678126

Catgirl Lives Matter.

[Anonymous No.4678524]

>>4676405
>it's rumored that Ippo Yamada (Mega Man Zero series) did it while at Capcom.
What? Do we not have any record of who made the PS4 soundtrack?

[Anonymous No.4678530]

>>4676586
>>4676585
>>4676409
My favorite thing about that is that it includes the characters from PS2, the unsung heroes who sacrificed themselves for Algol but nobody knew about it.

[Anonymous No.4678531]

>>4676585
Who is bottom right?

[Anonymous No.4678569]

>>4678531

That's Nei silly.

[Anonymous No.4679742]

>>4671995
I thought that guy died.
Well fuck yea

[Anonymous No.4679908]

>>4673382
Totally agree. Love it.

[Anonymous No.4680645]

>>4676409
I have this one saved.
Might be ideal for phone use.

[Anonymous No.4681141]

>>4678569
Why does she appear twice?

[Anonymous No.4681337]

>>4681141
Because is Nei she deserves more love

[Anonymous No.4681356]

>>4681337

But I like Rika more.

[Anonymous No.4683053]

>>4680645
When PS4 was being announced, in some of the magazines there was pics of all four games as part of the opening. I wonder if those are lost in time.

[Anonymous No.4683354]

>PS fans love Nei and Rika
>They ignore the great girls in PS3 as well

Mieu, Sari, and warrior Kara are some of the best PS girls.

[Anonymous No.4683430]

>>4683354
I love PS3 girls. Gwen was my first videogame waifu. PS3 had great character design.

[Anonymous No.4683528]

>>4683354
My PS-bro.

Sari was top tier all by herself, but I had a thing for Laya and Mieu too.

[Anonymous No.4684550]

>>4683528

Have you read her bio from the PS3 character designer? She's basically a grumpy tomboy knife-nut with big tiddies. Made her even better.

[Anonymous No.4685000]

>>4684550
Can not say I have, but her battle sprite was all I needed to see, along with her dialogue both before and after battle.

[Anonymous No.4685143]

>>4685000

Here it is:

>hair same color as Lena's
>eyes same color as Lena's
>outfit is Nial's color brown
>earrings look like razors (like they'd really cut you)
>breasts like cannonballs [Oh, Lordy.]
>"watashi", "jibun"; "omae", "kisama" ["Omae" is a slightly rough way of saying "you"; "kisama" is an outright insulting/spiteful way, or one that's used in the military.]
>"chichiue", "hahaue"
>orders around everyone in a masculine manner of speaking
>like she's always angry
>people think she's ill-tempered

>Personal Data
>180 cm [~5'11"]
>60 kg [~132 lb.]
>born 3/30
>19 years old
>hobby: knife collecting
>likes: good-tasting sake
>dislikes: formal dresses
>comments: often mistaken for a man [I would think the "breasts like cannonballs" would dispel that notion.]

[Anonymous No.4685154]

Part 2:

When Rhys chose Marina, Lena, her engagement null and void, returned to her home kingdom and married another man, with Lynn as the result. As opposed to her 150-cm [~5'0"] mother, Lynn is 180 cm [~5'11"] - as tall as Ayn. (And even taller than Rhys!) One imagines her father must have been tall. So who was her father, anyway?

Rumor has it that he was none other than Rhys' older brother. It is said that the younger brother stole the right of succession from the elder - because the elder, perhaps, was not the son of the king's wife but instead an illegitimate child.

When the legitimate son abandoned his kingdom, cancelling his engagement to the princess of the neighboring land, Rhys' father (Saiki Sa Riik) made a difficult decision to preserve good relations with his neighbor.

Until now, to keep up appearances, the son had probably been raised in a dungeon. (Saiki seems to have a fondness for throwing his sons in jail.) Since that dungeon was most probably Riik's prison, perhaps Lena, when she came to rescue Rhys, encountered a certain tall and unfortunate man there.

A fallen father and a mother who was jilted by her fiance - no wonder Lynn has such a violent temperament. It is also in a dungeon, then, that she chooses to confront Ayn - Rhys' son and the symbol of all her resentments. It is there that she wishes to make her feelings known and settle her grudges once and for all.

[Anonymous No.4685238]

I should pick up this game again. Is it worth playing PS3 or should it be burned alive?

[Anonymous No.4685242]

>>4685238
Its worth playing if you really like the other Phantasy Star games. You probably will never want to play it again though.

[Anonymous No.4685281]

>>4685242

The differences between the Ayn and Nial paths are worth a replay (or at least making a savestate right before choosing between Maia and Lena and going from there). Otherwise, it's not really worth replaying.

[Anonymous No.4685520]

>>4685238
I played it when I was 14 and I loved it. The music is beautiful, the world and the storIes have this sad tragic feeling that permeates them, idk. And the endings are good too. The worst thing is not being able to choose which enemy to attack.

[Anonymous No.4685574]

>>4685520

I really like PS3's town theme even though the instruments are pretty tinny.

[Anonymous No.4685772]

>>4685154
Wow, that’s pretty dark. I wish PS3 had a remake that turned it into a completed game. It is an epitome to the wasted potential in its current state.
I still love it.

[Anonymous No.4685842]

>>4678126
I love the blue-skinned look. Looks grotesque and cool.
Reminds me of the corpse in Manhunter NY.
Also, actually white skin, like Wasteland, or the underground society in A boy and his dog (the film).
And some elves in Might & Magic games are blue?

Why am I even writing this?

[Anonymous No.4685846]

>>4671809
Get a power base converter pleb

[Anonymous No.4685936]

>>4671695
>"Anon, you know it really hurts to have your hymen torn."

[Anonymous No.4685939]

[Anonymous No.4685948]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRS3fvBfNkQ

[Anonymous No.4686218]

>>4685143
>>4685154
Ah...well, appreciated, though 90% of that I'd already discovered from various sources around the internet over my last 20 years. I'm in full agreement with >>4685772 though...I would love to see a fully fleshed out PS3 with all that info in-game.

[Anonymous No.4686224]

[Anonymous No.4686227]

[Anonymous No.4686229]

[Anonymous No.4686232]

[Anonymous No.4686235]

[Anonymous No.4686243]

Last one for the time being. Interestingly enough, there were a couple of books released in Japan, one regular one based on PS2, and a Choose Your Own Adventure type based on PS3. Unless someone beats me to it, I'll upload the pages I have later for the PS3 one, but here's the cover in the meantime.

[Anonymous No.4686286]

>>4686218

I would love a PS3 remake that adds the info from the character books and has Tales-style skits to let the characters interact with each other. Pic related would be a good skit.

Even better if they could keep the late 80s to early 90s-style art style used in >>4686229>>4686235 and >>4686224 to really give it that retro feel.

[Anonymous No.4686347]

>>4671995
Fantastic, I love these interviews.

[Anonymous No.4686356]

I think I'd really like Phantasy Star, also there's a character with my name, Noah and I played the first one up to where there's a guy in a stone statue. I freed him and have a cat, but the game isn't gripping me exactly. Is there something I'm missing? The dungeons confuse me due to their presentation and I've never been able to get into old overworld RPGs like DQ

[Anonymous No.4686970]

>>4685772
The incompletedness of it added to the overall sadness and mood of the game for me. Like, exploring those huge castles full of empty rooms and hallways that led nowhere made me think they were once great but not anymore in the current state of society, with population dwindling in numbers and the past being slowly forgotten.

[Anonymous No.4687381]

>>4686970
Good post
And phantasy star III has the best "sweet but melancholy" town music of any game ever made.

[Anonymous No.4687903]

>>4686356
>Is there something I'm missing?
The proper translation and FM sound may be what you're missing if you think there's a character called Noah in the game.
As for your gameplay woes, I guess it's just not for you. If getting lost in dungeons and exploring three medium sized worlds doesn't get your adventure pumpin' then it can't be helped.

[Anonymous No.4687910]

>>4687903
What's the correct translation? The one I used must've been quite wrong then

[Anonymous No.4687919]

>>4686970

>Ayn path Landen.
>Landen consists of a perpetually-pissed off amazon guarding an unspecified dungeon and is all that's left of the Landen royal family.

That's a bit disconcerting.

[Anonymous No.4687923]

>>4687910
The consistent with other games in the classic series translation for the character is 'Lutz'. The translation patch here >>4675312 uses that name. If you wanna get all weeb it's pronounced close to 'roots'.

Barely related note: Phantasy Star Universe uses the directly romanised 'Rutsu' instead as a part of it's fine tradition of fucking up classic PS refrences that game is full of. For consistency's sake that character should be called Lutz as well.

[Anonymous No.4687940]

>>4683053
These?

[Anonymous No.4687970]

>>4683053
>>4687940

[Anonymous No.4688376]

>>4687940
>>4687970
Fantastic catch, anon. Great work. That was exactly what I was talking about.

[Anonymous No.4688458]

http://pscave.com/

I always surprise myself when I check and this site is still up

[Anonymous No.4690356]

>>4688458
That site was really useful. I'm glad it still has news somehow.

[Anonymous No.4690483]

>>4688458

http://pscave.com/ps3/wackyadventure/walkthrough.shtml

I never noticed this before. Someone should hack it so that they enter Lashtute with Generation 1 and see what happens when you beat Dark Force with Rhys and friends.

[Anonymous No.4690506]

>>4687970
>Phantasy Star IV includes among others, Nei from Phantasy Star II and Wren from Phantasy Star III
The fuck?

[Anonymous No.4690541]

>>4687970

Nei is a bit of a jump but it's not weird to see the Wrens confused.

[Anonymous No.4690559]

I've been on an old JRPG kick recently. Where should I start with phantasy star? Anything I should know about getting into the first game?

[Anonymous No.4690764]

>>4690559
You should get retranslation patch and play it with good translation and glorious FM music.
Also, buy lots of graph paper.

[Anonymous No.4691006]

>>4690506
Not 100% wrong.
It includes 'a' Wren and a descendant of Nei.

[Anonymous No.4691893]

>>4690559
>Where should I start with phantasy star?

how about, oh, I dunno. THE FIRST ONE.

[Anonymous No.4692415]

>>4691006

I remember reading somewhere that Rika was supposed to be named Nei early on, but decided to give her a unique name later on.

[Anonymous No.4692453]

>>4691893
Yeah, but what if. What if you could start with a good game instead?

[Anonymous No.4692690]

I played the main series backwards and still loved it. I recommend doing it.

[Anonymous No.4693027]

>>4692453
So, you still start with the first one in this scenario.

[Anonymous No.4693356]

>>4675404
>>4675432
Not only the sprites, but has a kid with only a Master System, the full-screen backgrounds blew my mind. Palma's plains with the mountains in the back, the thick forest, the beach with waves crashing or the beautiful frozen Dezorian forests. It may look unimpressive today, but I still find them more charming than the Megadrive ones.

>>4686286
Definitely. It's a shame they fleshed the characters out yet the game is incredibly quiet about this. Heck, the whole script must be only a few pages long.

[Anonymous No.4693379]

Can I use an ever drive on my genesis to play ps1 with FM sound?

[Anonymous No.4693391]

am I the only one who prefers the psg audio for phantasy star 1?

[Anonymous No.4694342]

>>4693391

I think the PSG audio is more catchy for some reason.

[Anonymous No.4694493]

Some Phantasy Star stuff popped up on MangaDex recently:

https://mangadex.org/manga/24590/phantasy-star-third

https://mangadex.org/manga/24592/phantasy-star-iii-character-book

https://mangadex.org/manga/24593/welcome-to-pso-doujinshi

https://mangadex.org/manga/24594/game-gag-1p-comic-sega-hen

[Anonymous No.4694748]

>>4694493

That "Third" is very interesting. I never heard of it before and it's connection to PS4 has my interest. Hope the other chapters are translated to see more connections to PS4.

And FYI, the PS3 character book comic strip translations have been on PScave for a while.

[Anonymous No.4694765]

I hope we will someday get full scans of Phantasy Star Outside Saga where Alisa and Lutz travel beyond Algo.

[Anonymous No.4695670]

>>4694493
>Phantasy Star III Character Book

As one of the few people who played PS3 and enjoyed it, seeing those characters with actual personalities makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside.

>Short tempered
>Mama's boy
>Geek
>Gloomy

kek

[Anonymous No.4695686]

>>4695670

Each Gen 3 lead character having a unique personality would make Generation 3 interesting instead of being the same thing, but with different starting cutscenes and starting points.

[Anonymous No.4695780]

>>4695670
gloomyboi is my favorite.
Just look at that frown.

[Anonymous No.4696235]

>>4695780

He needs a breastfeeding from aunt Mieu.

[Anonymous No.4696334]

>>4675581
That would be fucking amazing

[Anonymous No.4696780]

>>4694765
Wait what?

[Anonymous No.4696794]

Should I buy the original for the Master System

I'm gonna get a power base converter for my genesis

[Anonymous No.4696812]

>>4678126
I think the canonical reason is that if Nei got brought back, so would Nei-First, right?

[Anonymous No.4696824]

>>4696794

If you like dungeon crawling sure.

[Anonymous No.4697268]

>>4695670

I said this elsewhere, but 3 is a game I absolutely ADORE on paper. In practice though? Eheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeehhhhhhhhh

[Anonymous No.4698496]

>>4697268

Same here, though I do like Gen 2.

[Anonymous No.4698540]

>>4698496

I like Wren and Mieu. On paper the idea of a royal line of succession battling the forces of darkness and a century spanning war is great. The notion that the different offspring would have different adventures is ambitious as fuck. It's just that nothing ever really clicked. Even mechanically the game is just dull and artistically everything is so drab and the music is boring.

[Anonymous No.4698572]

>>4697268
>>4698496
>>4698540
All of you anons bring up excellent points, and probably the biggest reasons I don't mind going back every so often to slog through it. I almost feel like Gen 2 is where they ran out of time and money to pour into the game, which led to the haphazard Gen 3, whose only difference(as mentioned) was your starting party and location. I don't know if other games of the time were doing better at this point, but the lack of meaningful dialogue was criminal as well. I maintain that if we could get a true remake of this, it might be able to finally stand tall amongst its brethren, perhaps even next to PS4.

[Anonymous No.4698713]

One thing that I didn't like about PS3 was how the world were so generic. once you hit Frigidia, you've seen almost all of the tilesets in the game. All of the domes are meant to be radically-different environments, but they all use the same three tilesets, with most of them using the grasslands set.

I'd redo it so that the domes become more technologically advanced to represent your journey to discover what your world really is, with it ending in Terminus being a mix of PS2's Motavia and the Ruins in PSO (to represent Dark Force having taken it over) and having no signs of the medieval stuff seen in Landen and Aquatica.

>>4698540

Yeah, the gameplay needs some work. Offensive techs are useless, some of the characters are utterly fucked in terms of balance (Warrior Kara is useless and Gwen has no inherant tech damage boost) and Wren will be using the same multi-hit gun for most of the game because of how strong they are, even late in Gen 2.

[Anonymous No.4698786]

>>4698713

The biggest problem with the world is just how much dead space there is. Castles, towns and dungeons are actually pretty big but they're all so empty. You're basically walking around a barren map that someone forgot to fill with shit.

[Anonymous No.4698830]

>>4698786

Certainly. That shit sucks. The big but empty dungeons and the slow walking speed makes me very thankful for fast forward in emulators.

[Anonymous No.4698850]

>>4696794
No. Do pay attention, in this thread alone the original release has been blasted in favour of the retranslation with FM sound several times. It's worth putting up with emulation to play the game in non-gutted form.

[Anonymous No.4698893]

>>4698850

The retranslation is better, but the original isn't bad at all. The last time I played PS1 was with it and I did fine.

[Anonymous No.4698993]

>>4698893

The FM sound is nice though.

[Anonymous No.4699150]

>>4696812
I remember reading something like that at some point. It would make her sacrifice useless.

[Anonymous No.4699151]

>>4698540
>the music is boring
Nigga what? The music is arguably the most beautiful in the series

[Anonymous No.4699168]

>>4699151
???
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7i_0AMLVb4

[Anonymous No.4699171]

>>4699151

yeah, nah. There where some good tracks here and there but most of the time you're stuck listening to this crap

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6xUNpDSE04

[Anonymous No.4699191]

>>4699168
I didn't say 100% of the soundtrack was good, of course this track is shit.

>>4699171
But anon this wasn't crap. And it gets better as you add more members. Plus I don't remember it being this slow.

[Anonymous No.4699209]

>>4699191
>And it gets better as you add more member

Yeah which not only takes a while but still never caps out to be all that good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qp0MoP1M30A&t=4s

The sound quality was awful in this game.

[Anonymous No.4699220]

>>4699191
And this bizarre pop music is the battle theme.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEd31hJsR3g

Keep in mind, the standard I'm using here is the soundtrack to Phantasy Star 2 and Phantasy Star 4.

3 is weird enough to be worth playing, but its a clearly unfinished mess. And the soundtrack is only occasionally good.

[Anonymous No.4699224]

>>4699220

I liked that it changes depending on the flow of battle but it's still not terribly exciting, in fact it's rather repetitive and the poor visuals don't help

[Anonymous No.4699315]

PS3's town theme is great.

[Anonymous No.4699745]

Seth sounds like a bro.
I hope he sticks around.

[Anonymous No.4700031]

>>4699220
You can't just point out the bad examples in the soundtrack to say the whole soundtrack is bad when there are also beautiful tracks (that are even better that some of the favorite tracks from the series imo) that you're conveniently ignoring.

[Anonymous No.4700036]

>>4700031
some of the fan favorite*

[Anonymous No.4701062]

>>4700031
I think I'm being fair by posting them because those 2 tracks combined are most of what you hear while playing. Those and the (partial) field theme.

I like this track:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9ukvn-X6zY

[Anonymous No.4701091]

This thread made me want to finish Phantasy Star 1. Started it last April and just couldn't be asked to trudge through it half the time, but soon enough I just gave in and sped up the emulator I was using and it's made the game a lot more bearable.

About to fight Lassic and have been grinding Fishmen and everyone is around level 21-23 (Although Noah is apparently a level behind according to the PSCave).

Phantasy Star is a love/hate kind of game for me, I love the dungeons, the music (even the shitty non FM music), the graphics and the characters, but hate the fact I have no fucking idea where to go and have to resort to a guide 80% of the time, the encounter rate in dungeons (especially when they're mazes with pitfalls) can be frustrating and tedious and the game in genreal is just slow.

I prefer it to FF1, it's kind of dated but hey if it wasn't for /vr/ I wouldn't have played it. Pic related made me take interest in the series and I saw it poster here years ago.

[Anonymous No.4701156]

>>4693379
YES, as long as you have a Mega Everdrive x7. An update was recently released for it that adds FM sound.

[Anonymous No.4701537]

>>4701091

I think PS1 is overall better than FF1, but FF1 has the edge in replayability with the class system. You can do some pretty crazy stuff with its classes.

[Anonymous No.4701572]

>>4701537
That's true. I finished FF1 in February, and it took me a good 20+ hours or so. I did it with the Warrior, Thief, White and Black Mage and while it was tedious to play since the Warrior was the only useful party member for 70% of the game it eventually got better and I could see the appeal of retrying with 4 Warriors or White Mages for added replayability.

As of that post, I did just finish PS1. The fucking final boss having RNG attacks was bullshit, took me 5 tries to beat him just because I got lucky with the attacks he did (he did 1 damage to Alis twice in the fight).

Hoping PS2 is a bit more straightforward in regards to where to go. I know it gets rid of the cool 1st person dungeons, but I'm hoping it makes up for it some other way.

[Anonymous No.4701593]

>>4701062
That's fair but I don't think it's an adequate metric to judge the soundtrack by since it negates all the work the composers put into the less remembered tracks like this one:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iUmsE9yiFO8

It's an incredibly epic song that you only get to hear once and that's if you chose two of four possible outcomes for the game.

[Anonymous No.4701853]

>>4701572

Dark Falz is possible if you turn Mayu into a dedicated healbot while the other attack. If he dies then you might as well reset unless you've whittled him down by a bit because there's no way your healing items can ever hope to keep up with the damage he does.

And if you think PS1's dungeons are bad, wait until you see PS2's.

[Anonymous No.4702015]

>>4700031

We're not ignoring nothing, but a few good ones don't make the overall experience good. You don't get an A when you only get a couple questions right.

[Anonymous No.4702024]

>>4702015


Not him, but a better way to put it would be "mixed bag". While there's some good stuff in there, a lot of the common music is irritating. I mean, I love PS3's town theme and a few misc. songs, but I'm not going to praise it as a kickass OST because of them.

[Anonymous No.4702028]

>>4702024
>Not him, but a better way to put it would be "mixed bag"

That implies a more even spread. Which it's sadly not.

[Anonymous No.4702037]

Phantasy Star's real strength has been in graphics, not music. PS1's graphics are still impressive, and PS4's manga-style cutscenes look better than the "cutscene with stiff and/or janky animations to convey drama" you see in most jRPGs even today.

[Anonymous No.4702602]

>>4701572
You hated Dark Falz in PS1? Oh, you're going to LOVE him in 2...[/sarcasm]

Protip: He is the single reason you have to power level your party. See, he has two 'attacks': one is an AoE that can hit all or a few of your party. The second attack is the bitch, because it applies a status effect on someone THAT YOU CANNOT REMOVE WITH ITEMS! So, you can have Rudo 'consumed by greed', and he will spend every turn going through your item bag(he doesn't use anything, thank Algo, but that wouldn't be so bad if he did). You can also, and just reset if this happens, have your entire party 'gripped by fear', which has your party unable to do shit while DF tears them to pieces.
However, randomly, a weapon you get just before the last area will cure your party of those afflictions. However, as it's random in activating, you can just as easily get fucked hard while it does nothing for you.

[Anonymous No.4702704]

>>4702602
PS2 is such a cruel and dark game in every way, which is why I love the contrast with the upbeat happy technology utopia music it has. You hear "Death Place" in all those hard boss fights where your party gets killed one by one, and also when you fight Mother Brain, knowing you are basically plunging humanity into the dark ages by doing so. You hear the happy city music as your party is unjustly accused of treason and imprisoned. Not to mention the whole Palma thing.

[Anonymous No.4703346]

>>4702704

I know the general consensus of PS2's ending is that the party all dies but I can't imaging my team of god slayers couldn't massacre a bunch of sick earthmen

[Rob1billion No.4703742]

PS3 gets shit on a lot and it's understandable since the game got rushed. The storyline gets thin halfway through, the battle scenes are missing frames and the battle techniques completely lack any strategy (you just attack every turn and that's pretty much it).

But PS3 had by far the most pleasing aesthetics of the series. The music is in my opinion the finest music ever produced in a video game. The call and response harmonies are like an enlightenment in video game music, far superior to anything before or even after it was put out. I listen to the soundtrack on it's own, each song tells a story in it's own right and helps portray the emotion and tension that early video games just couldn't do.

The graphics, while being obviously incomplete in certain areas, were much more pleasing to the eye than any other game in the series. The other 3 installations, while far better than their FF counterparts, were cheesey in comparison.

PS3 was also much more straightforward to play, without the huge mazes and difficulty. It's a great place to start the series, to get into it without needing maps and walkthroughs. PS3 is my favorite game of all time, I like 2 and 4 as well but they just didn't have the soul that 3 did. 3 had the most potential to be a great game and it is truly sad that Sega screwed it up.

[Anonymous No.4704112]

>>4703346
They were outnumbered desu. And we don't know what weapons they had. The saddest part is that nobody knew of their sacrifice and they were forgotten.

[Anonymous No.4704470]

Good to see some love for Phantasy Star 3 in this thread.

>>4703742

This is the most magnifient opening theme of any RPG made. It still sends shivers down my spine. When you hear music like this, you know you're about to go on a fucking fantastic adventture:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FmGy6nyduk

[Anonymous No.4704474]

>>4703346
The Earthmen all had mad techniques, they probaby all knew Megid

[Anonymous No.4704481]

>>4673570
Gba version

[Anonymous No.4704484]

>>4704481
>Let's not include 4 in our collection but make sure to add three. The game nobody likes.

Piss off

[Anonymous No.4704492]

>>4704484
4's overrated anyway

[Anonymous No.4704494]

>>4704492

Go back to trying to convince yourself Golden Sun was anything more than a shit heap.

[Anonymous No.4704504]

>>4704494
Who brought up Gol- oh. Yeah, that game was bland as fuck.

[Anonymous No.4704512]

>>4704494
Golden Sun looked real nice on the GBA screen when it came out. That's all I can say about it.

[Anonymous No.4704842]

>>4703742
Thanks for this post, anon. I love the soundtrack and always listen to it.

[Anonymous No.4706147]

Bump

[Anonymous No.4706282]

>Odin is portrayed as a guy that uses powerful melee weapons to defeat enemies.
>The best way to use him is to give him a gun and let him slowly whittle down enemy HP.

[Anonymous No.4706285]

PFFFFFFFFFT! Phantasy Star? Get into a real jrpg, like DUAL ORB 2

[Anonymous No.4707540]

[Anonymous No.4707673]

>>4706285
I'll show you a dual orb

[Anonymous No.4707934]

After reading this thread I downloaded a graph paper app for my Galaxy Note and decided to give Phantasy Star a go on a whim. It is honestly the best RPG I've ever played, I'm enjoying it way more than the classic SNES/PS1 JRPGs I'm used to.
I can't imagine the sequels being any better.

[Anonymous No.4707941]

>>4707934
You're playing it with FM Sound right?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIx7Z-LMeV4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnQz9njOPXg

I'd say give both a try, but without FM it becomes very difficult to listen to constantly.

[Anonymous No.4708913]

>>4707941
I love both soundtracks equally desu

[Anonymous No.4708918]

>>4673415
Star Cruiser

[Anonymous No.4709097]

>>4707941
>You're playing it with FM Sound right?
Yes, I'm also using the retranslation patch >>4675312 mentioned. The game really does sound nice this way.

[Anonymous No.4709129]

>>4686356

I really enjoy mapping out the dungeons on graph paper. You go in, explore and map as much as you can till you're almost dead, use your dungeon escape spell, heal up and repeat. The game is very grindy, at least from what I've gathered, so dont expect to conquer everything your first time through an area.

[Anonymous No.4710540]

I wish RPGs with female protagonists like PS1 were more common.

[Anonymous No.4710617]

Played PS4 recently and i wasn't very impressed. Lunar Eternal Blue is much better.

[Anonymous No.4710642]

Alis is one of the female characters in game I can't stand to see porn of or even lewded up. It's just not right.

[Anonymous No.4711594]

>>4710642
This but for every character

[Anonymous No.4711630]

>>4711594
What, do people lewd Myau or something?

[Anonymous No.4712758]

I remember there was really cute Rica/Nei fanfiction in which Nei teaches Rica sweet numan love. Can’t find it anywhere now.

[Anonymous No.4712768]

>>4712758

Chaz taught her all about human love anon. :^)

[Anonymous No.4713660]

>>4686356
I still remember nearly all of the dungeon layouts 25 years later.

[Anonymous No.4713846]

>>4698540
Reiko was not involved in PS3, which was made by people who worked on Golden Axe.

I love the music and graphics style of PS3, though. The dull world and poor animation let it down.

[Anonymous No.4714572]

Just picked up the collection on PS2. Looking forward to play through all these games. Though it doesn’t matter for me, if you want a complete package this is pretty import friendly as it includes but English and Japanese options for the games dialogue.

[Anonymous No.4715030]

I have a PSO 1 question. Does Megid work on Casts? I recall that android cannot be killed by megid or poisoned for that matter but I can't find confirmation of this anywhere in the regular places. Did I imagine this or something?

[Anonymous No.4717280]

>>4715030

Megid's effectiveness is based solely on your EDK stat. If a Cast with 10 EDK would be hit by Megid, he'd be dead no matter what was used on him; a Ob Lily's Megid, Megid from a Force, or a Hell weapon's special attack.

[Anonymous No.4719379]

Bump

[Anonymous No.4719428]

I want to start playing 2. Any hack recommendations? I have the Modern and the Improved hacks already downloaded.

[Anonymous No.4720745]

>>4719428
Are you playing for the first time? If yes, play rhe original game.

[Anonymous No.4720750]

>>4719428

The best "hack" is the fast forward key on emulators to make money grinding a lot more tolerable.

[Anonymous No.4722943]

>>4719428
What are those two hacks exactly?

[Anonymous No.4723261]

>>4722943

They both are bug fixes and slight retranslations, mostly just fixing the spelling, naming and character limits. Modern really changes the balance of the characters and the available equipment. Also, modern doubles money and exp. Improved doubles walking speed.

Modern:
https://www.romhacking.net/hacks/1404/

Improved:
https://www.romhacking.net/hacks/925/

And here's one that just increases walking speed:
https://www.romhacking.net/hacks/2867/

[Anonymous No.4723360]

>>4675581
This comment probably went over most peoples' head.

I did hear those tracks a while ago and thought that it sounded kind of cool. Then I downloaded the ROM and tried actually playing that way. It gets old VERY fast. The US soundtrack is better.

[Anonymous No.4723365]

>>4710617
No offense, but you sound like the sort of wrongfun type of person who gets irate every time someone mentions they like the games and has to correct the record.

Everyone also likes Eternal Blue. It isn't "more impressive", because all the cutscenes and music in Phantasy Star are stock Genesis. Eternal Blue is unique, but you can do a lot more with more space.

[Anonymous No.4724686]

>>4723365

>tfw EBC is one of my favorite games and I love PS4

[Anonymous No.4724686,1]

>>4671986

Nope, the best way is emulating the fan retranslations. You get much more accurate and coherent translations and the option to speed up the grinding.