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Upscalers Anonymous Sun Mar 25 19:27:33 2018 No.4668685 [Reply] [Original]

Anyone else want to get their hands on an XRGB Mini or OSSC?

I'm firmly in the CRT camp, but once they're gone, they're gone. I think it would be best if I got an upacaler for when I just wanna dick around in Mario Kart or something and use the CRT for full playthroughs of my favorite games. Just to try and save it fron wearing out as fast.

>>	Anonymous Sun Mar 25 19:37:28 2018 No.4668726 >>4668685 I've got a Framemeister although it's a bit redundant at the moment as I only used it with my SNES and now I've got an Analogue Super NT. I plan on picking up a consolized MVS soon though so that should put it back in action.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 26 01:24:51 2018 No.4669371 >>4668685 OSSC is not a scaler.

Anonymous Mon Mar 26 11:35:54 2018 No.4670094

>>4668685
I’m eying a KanexPro but that’s less an issue of me being worried about burning out CRTs and moreso not having space in my apartment for a second larger one on top of my current portable unit.

I intend to use the CRT as my main driver and the upscaler for playing MP with guests on a display not meant for ants.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 26 13:10:46 2018 No.4670262 >>4670094 Beware anything that calls itself a converter instead of a upscaler, it's bound to be gash.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 26 14:47:29 2018 No.4670374 >>4668685 I want to get one only because 36 inches isn't enough to split a screen 4 ways when I have friends over. It'd be way better on a 50 inch. That plus upscaling shitty looking 6th and 7th gen games would be sweet

Anonymous Mon Mar 26 17:38:05 2018 No.4670647

>>4669371
>OSSC is not a scaler.

Which is the bullshit excuse they keep saying every time someone points out that it has tons of faults.

It doesn't matter that it is TECHNICALLY a line doubler/tripler/quadripler and video digitizer in one package. It is sold as a scaler, it is used primarily as a scaler, so it is a scaler.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 26 17:44:41 2018 No.4670663 >>4668685 Is there any reason to buy that if I have 3 CRT TVs to play with? At one point I was thinking about capturing the gameplay.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 26 17:46:32 2018 No.4670671 >>4670663 >Is there any reason to buy that if I have 3 CRT TVs to play with? In case you want to hook it up to your 50" lcd tv, or use your digital projector do make a 100" wall to wall image.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 26 17:53:43 2018 No.4670689 >>4670671 Will that ever get cheaper? This is twice as expensive than sd2snes.

>>	Anonymous Mon Mar 26 20:10:35 2018 No.4670945 >>4670689 Probably not as it's going out of production. They'll probably bring out a newer model though.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 27 02:28:45 2018 No.4671694 >>4670647 >It is sold as a scaler no, it's not.

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 27 02:41:58 2018 No.4671703 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3fOde0EBnY

>>	Anonymous Tue Mar 27 13:09:30 2018 No.4672406 >>4671703 Is this review by John Cena?

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 28 00:15:37 2018 No.4673525 >>4672406 kek

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 28 00:47:29 2018 No.4673583 >>4668685 When my CRT dies and I can't find an easy replacement I will stop playing retro games. Nothing lasts forever.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 28 00:52:09 2018 No.4673587 >>4671694 It clearly states on their page that it is for line doubling or 3/4/5x. Just because we replaced doublers with scalers in professional use doesn't mean some how doublers are not scalers.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 28 00:53:29 2018 No.4673591 >>4673583 A lot of retro games are fully supported by newer monitors/tvs. Ps2 and Xbox both had games at above 480p. They are as retro as retro gets except on this snowflake board where people get their cunts all crunchy when you tell them so.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 28 01:12:00 2018 No.4673613 >>4673591 >Ps2 >480p On a meager handful of titles, yes. The overwhelming majority of the PS2 library is 480i only.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 28 01:47:03 2018 No.4673649 >>4673587 >It clearly states on their page that it is for line doubling or 3/4/5x. thank you for making my point. you can call them scalers in your headcanon, but also accept that it's wrong.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 28 06:02:33 2018 No.4673864 >>4668685 >before they are gone You will be gone long before crts will be.

Anonymous Wed Mar 28 06:05:46 2018 No.4673865

>>4673613
I see you ignored the fact GSM can force 480p on EVERY game. Also that plenty of games run ABOVE 480p as default options.

>>4673649
Don't be a whiny bitch that it is a scaler and you went around saying it wasn't to people, now you look dumb. linedoubler = old scaler. Deal with it. No one reinforced your "point" of false narrative. You can't back out of this one and pretend you were just joking it isn't a scaler, just stop replying.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 28 06:07:11 2018 No.4673867 Almost impossible to find a decent CRT at a reasonable price these days. Might have to go the LCD/upscaler route soon. Hopefully QLEDs start getting cheaper.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 28 06:07:38 2018 No.4673868 >>4673865 Doesn't GSM just uscpale things?

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 28 06:20:34 2018 No.4673875 Daily reminder that Micomsoft has stopped producing the Xrgb mini.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 28 06:31:40 2018 No.4673887 >>4673875 >it's super secret proprietary technology that has never been produced before or will be again ok

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 28 07:08:08 2018 No.4673901 >>4673868 PS2 can't do interlaced internally, when it's forcing 480p it's using whatever scaling if any that it'd also do for 480i out.

Anonymous Wed Mar 28 07:55:51 2018 No.4673932

>>4673649
Line doubling is scaling.

Wiki definition >A video scaler is a system which converts video signals from one display resolution to another; typically, scalers are used to convert a signal from a lower resolution (such as 480p standard definition) to a higher resolution

Which is exactly what the OSSC does.

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 28 09:30:17 2018 No.4674029 >>4673887 you're free to list the available alternatives >inb4 OSSC >>4673932 following your argument, it's the shittiest scaler on the planet, producing invalid output at line3x and up.

Anonymous Wed Mar 28 10:26:05 2018 No.4674095

>>4674029
The output with line3x is almost broadcast valid, only difference being the slight deviation in refresh rate coming from the source console. line4x and up aren't valid to broadcast standards, but are still perfectly valid resolutions within the HDMI/DVI spec.

Anonymous Wed Mar 28 10:50:28 2018 No.4674128

>>4674095
>The output with line3x is almost broadcast valid, only difference being the slight deviation in refresh rate coming from the source console.
Not exactly. The OSSC in line3x will output 786 lines from a 262-line console, whereas a standard 720p signal has 750 lines. This difference can and does cause problems with some TVs, though you can often coax it into working on incompatible TVs by playing with backporch and sync length settings.

Monitors are much more lenient since they're built to accept all sorts of weird DVI resolutions, not just the standard HDTV ones.

Anonymous Wed Mar 28 11:45:37 2018 No.4674207

>>4673865
>I see you ignored the fact GSM can force 480p on EVERY game
No, it can't. GSM compatibility is very hit or miss. Works well with some games, but most will have issues.
>Also that plenty of games run ABOVE 480p as default options.
I wouldn't consider five games with a pseudo-1080i mode to be "plenty."

>>	Anonymous Wed Mar 28 12:09:59 2018 No.4674235 >>4670647 looks like a scaler tastes like a scaler is a scaler

Anonymous Thu Mar 29 05:31:52 2018 No.4675832

>>4668685
Nope. Although I did build a deticated A/D line multiplier for one of my LCDs which is very similar to OSSC. There's no inidication CRTS will be gone any time soon and I have enough to last the rest of my life.

>>4670689
Daily reminder that OSSC and SD2SNES are open source and free. The cost you pay is 10% parts and a hefty technical illiteracy surcharge.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 29 05:59:52 2018 No.4675853 >>4675832 There are even sites selling OSSC kits with the board and less easy to source parts for a pretty reasonable price. https://www.videogameperfection.com/products/source-converter-advanced/

Anonymous Thu Mar 29 09:49:22 2018 No.4676062

>>4675832
>The cost you pay is 10% parts and a hefty technical illiteracy surcharge.
>>4675853
+ ~50gbp for the remaining parts ( https://www.mouser.fi/ProjectManager/ProjectDetail.aspx?AccessID=6ad3a2d4d7 , url taken from https://www.videogameperfection.com/products/source-converter-barebones/ )
+ not as common tools for soldering the fine-pitch ICs like the FPGA (preheater, heating-gun, solder-paste, stencils)
+ time spent on preparing and doing the actual soldering and installing the software-stuff

nah, the "retail" price ain't that high imho

Anonymous Thu Mar 29 14:22:36 2018 No.4676458

>>4676062
TQFP isn't that tricky, can solder them all fine with just a reasonably cheapo iron with temperature control, regular solder and a bunch of flux and patience, having preheat/gun/paste/stencil makes it easier to do quickly and with better reliability, but really isn't necessary.

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 29 17:47:43 2018 No.4676841 >>4668685 >I think it would be best if I got an upacaler for when I just wanna dick around Why would you pay hundreds of dollars merely to "dick around" with a laggy subpar scanline emulator?

>>	Anonymous Thu Mar 29 21:02:37 2018 No.4677226 >>4676062 Retail kits aren't exactly the same as the cost of parts though, are they?

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